Obama throws Wes Clark under the bus

[jillian]

You get stupider and stupider the closer we get to November. McCain does not support Bush policies and never has. That would be why he ran against him in 2000.

See... now you're just making stuff up. seriouly pathetic...

Bush/McCain

Iraq .... check
Gitmo... check
incompetent economic policy... check
g-d, guns, gays...check

Remind us how Obama is safe because he is not gonna make decisions from others, yet it was just in the news he is courting religious groups right now. Evangelical groups to be exact. Wonder what he will "promise" them for their vote. I mean you keep claiming McCain sold out for religious votes.

You're babbling again.

Obama's not doing theG-d, guns and gays thing... his endorsements from religious leaders are irrelevant. They don't change policy, specifically Roe vWade... nor will he pursue stupid, discriminatory policies against gays.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

See... now you're just making stuff up. seriouly pathetic...

Bush/McCain

Iraq .... check
Gitmo... check
incompetent economic policy... check
g-d, guns, gays...check



You're babbling again.

Obama's not doing theG-d, guns and gays thing... his endorsements from religious leaders are irrelevant. They don't change policy, specifically Roe vWade... nor will he pursue stupid, discriminatory policies against gays.

He will though follow socialist ideals and play God. You keep telling your self all these one liners, maybe in 2 years you will feel better about having ben deluded.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Back what up, genius? McCain's prior positions? I've posted them before. Google McCain flip flop if you want the links again.

As for his commetns about judicial review.... he kept repeating them when the court said the legislature couldn't take away habeas corpus review. (yet another flip flop for McCain). don't you read a newspaper? watch the news?

he only STFU about that after Scalia's gun decision.

Or is your short term memory failing now?

So let me get this right.... If I post something and do not provide a link or source and you demand one, I must provide it and claiming it is general knowledge won't do, BUT you can refuse to post a source or link and tell us to Google it and that is fine? Again, the word for that is Hypocrite. Standard though for liberals, do as I say, not as I do.

 

[editec]

Personally I do think that McCains service record, and Obama's lack of one, does give that round to McCain.

Sadly McCains flipflopping on the tax breaks for billionaires laws puts me solidly in the D camp.

Likewise McCains apparent lack of economic understanding about what americans are really facing with these energy prices also counts against him.

Likewise he's too old.

Likewise the fact that he didn't understand who the Sunni and Shia were leads me to think he's not ready to be POTUS.

then there's his pandering to the stupidest Christian fundamentalists which makes me nervous.

Of course that objection is countered by the fact that Obama ALSO looks to me to be a religious hypocrite.

 

[Charles_Main]

Well, if McCain insists on running for a third bush term, I'm afraid the discussion is valid.

Well I am glad you can read the Democrat Talking points.

Just because Obama and the Dems say McCain is running for Bush 3, does not make it so. Stop being such a lemming man. McCain is not Bush, not even close.

Charles

 

[WhoisJohnGault]

"I am against religion because it teaches us to be satisfied with not understanding the world. Faith is the great cop-out, the great excuse to evade the need to think and evaluate evidence. Faith is belief in spite of, even perhaps because of, the lack of evidence." Richard Dawkins


I always thought Dawkins was a loon. Seriously, most of science especially the THEORY (not fact yet) of evolution is unproven, there is nothing we can look at to see if life began as a big bang, (highly unlikely) or from another species and planet, which only moves the arguement to another location, from whence did life begin? Therefore the THEORY of evolution is as vague as is religion. I can't see the "THEORY" of evolution, therefore I must take it on "faith".

 

[WhoisJohnGault]

Well I am glad you can read the Democrat Talking points.

Just because Obama and the Dems say McCain is running for Bush 3, does not make it so. Stop being such a lemming man. McCain is not Bush, not even close.

Charles

Dems always do this. They know that the more you post something the more people will believe it. Of course those people are the ones who do not need facts, only consensus. Somehow the libs confuse fact or truth with "consensus".

 

[WhoisJohnGault]

Personally I do think that McCains service record, and Obama's lack of one, does give that round to McCain.

Sadly McCains flipflopping on the tax breaks for billionaires laws puts me solidly in the D camp.

Likewise McCains apparent lack of economic understanding about what americans are really facing with these energy prices also counts against him.

Likewise he's too old.

Likewise the fact that he didn't understand who the Sunni and Shia were leads me to think he's not ready to be POTUS.

then there's his pandering to the stupidest Christian fundamentalists which makes me nervous.

Of course that objection is countered by the fact that Obama ALSO looks to me to be a religious hypocrite.

Likewise he's too old.


oh too old? To run this country? Does the president run the country alone? No, there is something called the Senate and the House.

I guess those people who say McCain is just too old, that dementia is settting in are right. They must be because look at some others in that age group. Harry Reid. OMG, he's only three years younger than McCain, so is Pelosi, "Boxer, and of all of them Kennedy is four years OLDER than McCain. Don't even mention Robert Byrd. And these people are making law, deciding our fate? Perhaps we should eliminate all persons over the age of 50 from taking on public office?

Of course that's ridiculous but I use it to make a point; don't forget our supremes either, those people that think they are to make law from the bench now....Ginsburg is 75, she's antique.......even more so Sandra Day O'Connor at age 78. Think about it, Thurgood Marshall was 83 when his time was over. These people must have been/are blithering idiots if one accepts the idea that 72 is too old to be prez. What are they doing making decisions for us "young'uns"......they are out of touch out of time .......right?

 

[Ravi]

Good point. We've had a chimp running the country for years. What harm can a geezer do?

 

[doeton]

"I am against religion because it teaches us to be satisfied with not understanding the world. Faith is the great cop-out, the great excuse to evade the need to think and evaluate evidence. Faith is belief in spite of, even perhaps because of, the lack of evidence." Richard Dawkins
I always thought Dawkins was a loon. Seriously, most of science especially the THEORY (not fact yet) of evolution is unproven, there is nothing we can look at to see if life began as a big bang, (highly unlikely) or from another species and planet, which only moves the arguement to another location, from whence did life begin? Therefore the THEORY of evolution is as vague as is religion. I can't see the "THEORY" of evolution, therefore I must take it on "faith".

just for a lark...

let's clarify

the idea of ah science and 'theories' is to come up with ideas that ah best fit the FACTS, not come up with stuff that will hoodwink the masses into being good little workers.

just an FYI.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

You know, SE, my husband was an eagle scout. I can promise you he'd never allow our son to be a scout now because instead of actually teaching the kids anything, the scouts took it upon themselves to be gay bashers.

So your husband is soooo sensitive to gays that he would actually ban your son from the Boy Scouts? As a former Eagle Scout…how loyal of him. What is your husband….a brow-beaten coward…. or a fairy himself?

And how about your own poor judgement? You'd put your son into an organization of boys with a flaming homo in charge? Or even one not-so flaming? A homosexual is the one you'd want setting the example on how to be a man? I suppose you'd allow a crossdresser to be a leader too? Heck, why not a butch lesbian? Or a man with three wives? There are plenty of sexual deviants to choose from…. where is it you draw the line when it comes to providing your son with a role model…..?

By your logic…the Orthodox Jews, Catholics, Methodists, Baptists, etc…..essentially 80% of the population….are also "gay bashers"….because they also won't allow practicing homosexuals as leaders either…

 

[doeton]

screaming eagle is a classy guy...

 

[jillian]

So your husband is soooo sensitive to gays that he would actually ban your son from the Boy Scouts? As a former Eagle Scout…how loyal of him. What is your husband….a brow-beaten coward…. or a fairy himself?

I'm sorry, what in my response to you invited that? Is it that you're so unsure of your own manhood that you are afraid if a gay man looked at you, that you'd succumb?

I'd suggest that if you met my husband, you'd reconsider your statements. We do have gay friends, though, and we'd never allow our son to discriminate against them. We certainly wouldn't send him into something where he was brainwashed to do it.

And how about your own poor judgement? You'd put your son into an organization of boys with a flaming homo in charge?

Would you send your daughter to be taught by a heterosexual man? Far more chance of her being sexually abused than a boy with a homosexual man.

You do understand, SE, don't you, that pedophilia and homosexuality aren't synonomous?

Or even one not-so flaming? A homosexual is the one you'd want setting the example on how to be a man? I suppose you'd allow a crossdresser to be a leader too? Heck, why not a butch lesbian? Or a man with three wives? There are plenty of sexual deviants to choose from…. where is it you draw the line when it comes to providing your son with a role model…..?

By your logic…the Orthodox Jews, Catholics, Methodists, Baptists, etc…..essentially 80% of the population….are also "gay bashers"….because they also won't allow practicing homosexuals as leaders either…

I'm not going to get into your tirade, because it's just too stupid to respond to.

And, as a matter of fact, I find most orthodox sects of any religion pretty awful on a lot of issues, not just homosexuality.

But thank you for asking. Pity you actually missed an opportunity to address the actual issues. But then again, it was you, so I really shouldn't have expected more.

 

[jillian]

screaming eagle is a classy guy...

Real class... all low.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

screaming eagle is a classy guy...

Sorry...but the shit stinks even way up here with the eagles...

I'm sorry, what in my response to you invited that? Is it that you're so unsure of your own manhood that you are afraid if a gay man looked at you, that you'd succumb?

I'd suggest that if you met my husband, you'd reconsider your statements. We do have gay friends, though, and we'd never allow our son to discriminate against them. We certainly wouldn't send him into something where he was brainwashed to do it.

Your son would be "brainwashed" against homos because it is a policy to not accept homos as scoutmasters? How so?

I also have a real problem with a former Eagle Scout dissing the Boy Scouts...it's unreal...

Would you send your daughter to be taught by a heterosexual man? Far more chance of her being sexually abused than a boy with a homosexual man.

You do understand, SE, don't you, that pedophilia and homosexuality aren't synonomous?

Where are the girl groups that have men taking them out for camping trips?

Of course pedophilia is not the same as homosexuality....but what about all those homosexual Catholic priests? Isn't it irresponsible on the part of a parent to put a child in such a potential situation?

I'm not going to get into your tirade, because it's just too stupid to respond to.

And, as a matter of fact, I find most orthodox sects of any religion pretty awful on a lot of issues, not just homosexuality.

But thank you for asking. Pity you actually missed an opportunity to address the actual issues. But then again, it was you, so I really shouldn't have expected more.

It's not stupid...it's just stupid to you...you're a brainwashed liberal...

I know you hate orthodox religion....jillian's take on the world is so much better....

 

[Charles_Main]

Ah the power of the left, Now it is evil to be religious.

Gotta love it

 

[doeton]

Ah the power of the left, Now it is evil to be religious. Gotta love it

personally i'd say retarded...not evil.

 

[doeton]

Of course pedophilia is not the same as homosexuality....but what about all those homosexual Catholic priests?

well..of course that occurred in a situation where sexuality is unnaturally repressed...right?

 

[ScreamingEagle]

well..of course that occurred in a situation where sexuality is unnaturally repressed...right?

Do you excuse child molestors because society represses them....?

Adult educated men choose the life of a priest....nobody is forcing them...

Do you understand this.... or do you believe that you are a helpless moron when it comes to acting/not acting upon your sexual urges....?

 

[Shogun]

Do you excuse child molestors because society represses them....?

Adult educated men choose the life of a priest....nobody is forcing them...

Do you understand this.... or do you believe that you are a helpless moron when it comes to acting/not acting upon your sexual urges....?

No, I don't. and you can comb the USMB archives to read my rather vocal rebuke of the lieks of Bernie Ward. But Wards pedophelia is nothing even close to being similar to consenting gay adults. Why don't you tell ME if YOU could repress your sexual urges if heterosexuality were as much of a FORMER taboo as homosexuality.