obama 48-44 national, 47-45 swing states

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The question is whether people believe that anyone else could have done better, given the damage that has been done to both the domestic and international economies after the meltdown of 2008.

The GOP is trying to sell two very weak arguments: (1) that this was just another recession, and that we should have popped out of it like any other, and (2) that the unemployment rate got as high as it did because of Obama. There are many people who simply aren't buying either argument, and that fact is being reflected in the polls.

I'm in the financial industry, I'm neck deep in this stuff every day, and I can't say for sure that a Republican president would have fixed anything by now. I can tell you this, however: The damage done to the global economy is deep, wide and nasty, and it could be a decade or more before it is healed, regardless of the political affiliation of the White House occupant.

I also think that, while they may not be in finance, there are many voters who would probably agree with me. These people don't blame Obama for where we are, they're concerned that Romney would put us right back to what got us here, and they simply like Obama more than Romney in general.

This doesn't make them stupid or evil or Marxists or communists; they're just reasonable people who aren't thrilled with their choices, who aren't sure that Romney has the fix, and who think that Obama needs more time.

Who wins? I have no idea. But I can understand why Obama is ahead in polls.

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Now don't you realize that if you think that Obama is a slightly better choice than Romney, you are a commie marxist, muslim socialist who hates America and the flag.

Get with the program, man!

Don't tell anyone, but I'm wearing TWO Che Guevara t-shirts right now!

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As long as you're wearing them in an ironic manner you're OK.

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

Hey Joe, since when are Eisenhower Republicans uber liberal bigots? LMAO. Just wondering.

 

[SniperFire]

The Bradley Effect tells us many white people won't tell a pollster they won't vote for the black guy.

It is a white guilt thing.

Barry is going to get creamed.

 

[JoeB131]

Hey Joe, since when are Eisenhower Republicans uber liberal bigots? LMAO. Just wondering.

Since the GOP got hijacked by religious crazies and plutocrats...

Sorry. Romney wasn't fit to shine the General's boots...

 

[JoeB131]

The Bradley Effect tells us many white people won't tell a pollster they won't vote for the black guy.

It is a white guilt thing.

Barry is going to get creamed.

The "Bradley Effect" was about 30 years ago...

What we might see here is the "Romney effect".... that people are really creeped out by Mormons, but won't admit it openly.

 

[SniperFire]

The Bradley Effect tells us many white people won't tell a pollster they won't vote for the black guy.

It is a white guilt thing.

Barry is going to get creamed.

The "Bradley Effect" was about 30 years ago...

Does not matter.

 

[Mac1958]

The Bradley Effect tells us many white people won't tell a pollster they won't vote for the black guy.

It is a white guilt thing.

Barry is going to get creamed.

The "Bradley Effect" was about 30 years ago...

What we might see here is the "Romney effect".... that people are really creeped out by Mormons, but won't admit it openly.

Plus, my feeble memory says that the polls ended up being pretty accurate in 2008. People said they were going to vote for Obama, and they did.

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[TheGreatGatsby]

Pubs won on JOBS JOBS JOBS in 2010. Whatta joke! Now what? They're out of BS.

in 2010 we won because of obamacare. now our nominee is the one who created obamacare.

It's a myth that Obamacare and Romneycare are the same thing or based on the same exact principles.

Personally, I feel that no Dem or Republican is doing what it takes to get back to market driven health care. Eliminate laws that require businesses to provide health care and you'll see prices go way down.

 

[JoeB131]

Pubs won on JOBS JOBS JOBS in 2010. Whatta joke! Now what? They're out of BS.

in 2010 we won because of obamacare. now our nominee is the one who created obamacare.

It's a myth that Obamacare and Romneycare are the same thing or based on the same exact principles.

Personally, I feel that no Dem or Republican is doing what it takes to get back to market driven health care. Eliminate laws that require businesses to provide health care and you'll see prices go way down.

Eliminate laws, and you'll have only the young being able to get jobs...

The problem with "market" driven health care is that at a certain point, the most "Market driven" result is to let them die. This is what the whole "pre-existing condition" stuff is about.

What we should do is what every other industrialized country has done. Have single payer health care and universal coverage, and get employers out of it altogether.

 

[SniperFire]

The Bradley Effect tells us many white people won't tell a pollster they won't vote for the black guy.

It is a white guilt thing.

Barry is going to get creamed.

The "Bradley Effect" was about 30 years ago...

What we might see here is the "Romney effect".... that people are really creeped out by Mormons, but won't admit it openly.

Plus, my feeble memory says that the polls ended up being pretty accurate in 2008. People said they were going to vote for Obama, and they did.

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There are dozens of examples of the Bradley Effect.

As a libtard, you will of course choose to ignore and discount.

Bradley effect - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[JoeB131]

The Bradley Effect tells us many white people won't tell a pollster they won't vote for the black guy.

It is a white guilt thing.

Barry is going to get creamed.

The "Bradley Effect" was about 30 years ago...

What we might see here is the "Romney effect".... that people are really creeped out by Mormons, but won't admit it openly.

Plus, my feeble memory says that the polls ended up being pretty accurate in 2008. People said they were going to vote for Obama, and they did.

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Not to mention the fact the Bradley effect is largely a myth.

A myth perpetrated by liberals to explain why their candidates lose, more often than not, but a myth nonetheless.

Bradley lost because he ran a bad campaign.

Bradley effect - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Mac1958]

The "Bradley Effect" was about 30 years ago...

What we might see here is the "Romney effect".... that people are really creeped out by Mormons, but won't admit it openly.

Plus, my feeble memory says that the polls ended up being pretty accurate in 2008. People said they were going to vote for Obama, and they did.

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Not to mention the fact the Bradley effect is largely a myth.

A myth perpetrated by liberals to explain why their candidates lose, more often than not, but a myth nonetheless.

Bradley lost because he ran a bad campaign.

Bradley effect - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A myth? In politics?

NO freakin' WAY.

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[JoeB131]

Plus, my feeble memory says that the polls ended up being pretty accurate in 2008. People said they were going to vote for Obama, and they did.

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Not to mention the fact the Bradley effect is largely a myth.

A myth perpetrated by liberals to explain why their candidates lose, more often than not, but a myth nonetheless.

Bradley lost because he ran a bad campaign.

Bradley effect - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A myth? In politics?

NO freakin' WAY.

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Nessie/Sasquatch 2012!

 

[SniperFire]

Plus, my feeble memory says that the polls ended up being pretty accurate in 2008. People said they were going to vote for Obama, and they did.

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Not to mention the fact the Bradley effect is largely a myth.

A myth perpetrated by liberals to explain why their candidates lose, more often than not, but a myth nonetheless.

Bradley lost because he ran a bad campaign.

Bradley effect - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A myth? In politics?

NO freakin' WAY.

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Your liberal bias does not enable you to take an impartial look at the Bradley Effect.

You love you some Obama.

 

[Mac1958]

Not to mention the fact the Bradley effect is largely a myth.

A myth perpetrated by liberals to explain why their candidates lose, more often than not, but a myth nonetheless.

Bradley lost because he ran a bad campaign.

Bradley effect - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A myth? In politics?

NO freakin' WAY.

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Your liberal bias does not enable you to take an impartial look at the Bradley Effect.

You love you some Obama.

My goodness SniperFire, calm down. Have a cookie.

Rush is on soon.

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[SniperFire]

A myth? In politics?

NO freakin' WAY.

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Your liberal bias does not enable you to take an impartial look at the Bradley Effect.

You love you some Obama.

My goodness SniperFire, calm down. Have a cookie.

Rush is on soon.

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Libtards who pretend to not be Libtards are cute.

 

[Mac1958]

Not to mention the fact the Bradley effect is largely a myth.

A myth perpetrated by liberals to explain why their candidates lose, more often than not, but a myth nonetheless.

Bradley lost because he ran a bad campaign.

Bradley effect - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A myth? In politics?

NO freakin' WAY.

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Nessie/Sasquatch 2012!

Let's see if I can drag this thread back to an adult conversation about the issue at hand. I'm sure the kids will pop back in with their little tantrums, but what the hell, it's always worth a shot.

The Dukakis lead is an interesting example of how things can change, but I don't get that vibe this time. The polls really haven't changed much, even when one of the candidates "has a bad week". Everyone keeps pointing toward the debates, so convinced that their guy will run away with it after that. Maybe.

Right now most polls have Obama up somewhere around 47-45, leaving 8% out of it. I'd like to know how much of that 8% is undecided and how much of it will be voting for an alternate party.

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[TheGreatGatsby]

in 2010 we won because of obamacare. now our nominee is the one who created obamacare.

It's a myth that Obamacare and Romneycare are the same thing or based on the same exact principles.

Personally, I feel that no Dem or Republican is doing what it takes to get back to market driven health care. Eliminate laws that require businesses to provide health care and you'll see prices go way down.

Eliminate laws, and you'll have only the young being able to get jobs...

The problem with "market" driven health care is that at a certain point, the most "Market driven" result is to let them die. This is what the whole "pre-existing condition" stuff is about.

What we should do is what every other industrialized country has done. Have single payer health care and universal coverage, and get employers out of it altogether.

That's f'ing bs. The market is for people that need the healthcare the most. That's how it works nimrod. The death panels cause death in Obamacare b/c they get paid whether they're effective or not.

 

[Jroc]

A myth? In politics?

NO freakin' WAY.

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Nessie/Sasquatch 2012!

Let's see if I can drag this thread back to an adult conversation about the issue at hand. I'm sure the kids will pop back in with their little tantrums, but what the hell, it's always worth a shot.

The Dukakis lead is an interesting example of how things can change, but I don't get that vibe this time. The polls really haven't changed much, even when one of the candidates "has a bad week". Everyone keeps pointing toward the debates, so convinced that their guy will run away with it after that. Maybe.

Right now most polls have Obama up somewhere around 47-45, leaving 8% out of it. I'd like to know how much of that 8% is undecided and how much of it will be voting for an alternate party.

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The undecideds won't vote for the incumbent

 

[Mac1958]

Nessie/Sasquatch 2012!

Let's see if I can drag this thread back to an adult conversation about the issue at hand. I'm sure the kids will pop back in with their little tantrums, but what the hell, it's always worth a shot.

The Dukakis lead is an interesting example of how things can change, but I don't get that vibe this time. The polls really haven't changed much, even when one of the candidates "has a bad week". Everyone keeps pointing toward the debates, so convinced that their guy will run away with it after that. Maybe.

Right now most polls have Obama up somewhere around 47-45, leaving 8% out of it. I'd like to know how much of that 8% is undecided and how much of it will be voting for an alternate party.

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The undecideds won't vote for the incumbent

You're saying that's how it's been historically, that undecideds usually break to the challenger?

I also wonder if 8% is a high, low or normal figure for 4 months out.

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