NYC Subway is failing

[Polishprince]

The city may have to close it up, and fill in the hole, massive deficits plague the system.

They can't make it in spite of a Sky High Fare of $2.75- more than twice the transit fares for Youngstown Ohio or the Shenango Valley of Pennsylvania where the fares are $1.25.

Maybe if the city can sell the Subway system to private enterprise, and see what the market can do?

New York City subway and bus services have entered 'death spiral', experts say

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The city may have to close it up, and fill in the hole, massive deficits plague the system.

They can't make it in spite of a Sky High Fare of $2.75- more than twice the transit fares for Youngstown Ohio or the Shenango Valley of Pennsylvania where the fares are $1.25.

Maybe if the city can sell the Subway system to private enterprise, and see what the market can do?

New York City subway and bus services have entered 'death spiral', experts say

It's the same issue as Public Housing: the union labor costs are unsustainable and dragging the business down

 

[MarcATL]

The city may have to close it up, and fill in the hole, massive deficits plague the system.

They can't make it in spite of a Sky High Fare of $2.75- more than twice the transit fares for Youngstown Ohio or the Shenango Valley of Pennsylvania where the fares are $1.25.

Maybe if the city can sell the Subway system to private enterprise, and see what the market can do?

New York City subway and bus services have entered 'death spiral', experts say

It's the same issue as Public Housing: the union labor costs are unsustainable and dragging the business down

Is it the union itself, or corruption somewhere at the top?

 

[August West]

The city may have to close it up, and fill in the hole, massive deficits plague the system.

They can't make it in spite of a Sky High Fare of $2.75- more than twice the transit fares for Youngstown Ohio or the Shenango Valley of Pennsylvania where the fares are $1.25.

Maybe if the city can sell the Subway system to private enterprise, and see what the market can do?

New York City subway and bus services have entered 'death spiral', experts say

$2.75 is a good deal when you consider that the subway has 842 miles of track covering a city of 468 square miles. How many miles of track does Youngstown or Shenango Valley have? Pittsburgh charges $2.75 or $2.50 with a connect card. NYC riders are getting off cheap. You need to get out a little more Prince. Perhaps NY residents will boycott the subway and drive their cars to work and pay at least $60 a day for parking+ bridge and tunnel tolls + gas. Is that what you would do?

 

[Polishprince]

The city may have to close it up, and fill in the hole, massive deficits plague the system.

They can't make it in spite of a Sky High Fare of $2.75- more than twice the transit fares for Youngstown Ohio or the Shenango Valley of Pennsylvania where the fares are $1.25.

Maybe if the city can sell the Subway system to private enterprise, and see what the market can do?

New York City subway and bus services have entered 'death spiral', experts say

It's the same issue as Public Housing: the union labor costs are unsustainable and dragging the business down

Is it the union itself, or corruption somewhere at the top?

I am sure that the Ultraliberal Politicians who run the government are in cahoots with the La Cosa Nostra capos who run the transit unions.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The city may have to close it up, and fill in the hole, massive deficits plague the system.

They can't make it in spite of a Sky High Fare of $2.75- more than twice the transit fares for Youngstown Ohio or the Shenango Valley of Pennsylvania where the fares are $1.25.

Maybe if the city can sell the Subway system to private enterprise, and see what the market can do?

New York City subway and bus services have entered 'death spiral', experts say

It's the same issue as Public Housing: the union labor costs are unsustainable and dragging the business down

Is it the union itself, or corruption somewhere at the top?

No, it's the unions at both places. On average, NYCHA apartments cost $14,000/apartment/year to operate and THAT'S WITHOUT PAYING REAL ESTATE TAXES. A private non-union (32BJ) company could run it at between $7 to 8K paying real estate taxes. High end luxury buildings are more like $10K to run

 

[Marion Morrison]

Where do all those taxes NYers pay go?

 

[MarcATL]

No, it's the unions at both places. On average, NYCHA apartments cost $14,000/apartment/year to operate and THAT'S WITHOUT PAYING REAL ESTATE TAXES. A private non-union (32BJ) company could run it at between $7 to 8K paying real estate taxes. High end luxury buildings are more like $10K to run

Interesting information. Truly.

However, what does that have to do w/actual or potential corruption at the top?

 

[Indeependent]

No, it's the unions at both places. On average, NYCHA apartments cost $14,000/apartment/year to operate and THAT'S WITHOUT PAYING REAL ESTATE TAXES. A private non-union (32BJ) company could run it at between $7 to 8K paying real estate taxes. High end luxury buildings are more like $10K to run

Interesting information. Truly.

However, what does that have to do w/actual or potential corruption at the top?

They’re all corrupt.
And the politicians are Democrats.

 

[Aba Incieni]

The city may have to close it up, and fill in the hole, massive deficits plague the system.

They can't make it in spite of a Sky High Fare of $2.75- more than twice the transit fares for Youngstown Ohio or the Shenango Valley of Pennsylvania where the fares are $1.25.

Maybe if the city can sell the Subway system to private enterprise, and see what the market can do?

New York City subway and bus services have entered 'death spiral', experts say

$2.75 is a good deal when you consider that the subway has 842 miles of track covering a city of 468 square miles. How many miles of track does Youngstown or Shenango Valley have? Pittsburgh charges $2.75 or $2.50 with a connect card. NYC riders are getting off cheap. You need to get out a little more Prince. Perhaps NY residents will boycott the subway and drive their cars to work and pay at least $60 a day for parking+ bridge and tunnel tolls + gas. Is that what you would do?

The system is failing. They may soon have no choice but to take buses.

 

[boedicca]

The failing NYC subway is the logical result of funds being used for bloated payroll, benefits and pensions instead of maintenance and capital improvements. The old standard was that all parts should be replaced on no longer than a 40 year cycle - which has not been done. We have the same problem with BART in the Bay Area. $100K+ per year obese station agents sit and watch freeloaders jump the fare gates while the system falls apart.

 

[Polishprince]

$2.75 is a good deal when you consider that the subway has 842 miles of track covering a city of 468 square miles. How many miles of track does Youngstown or Shenango Valley have? Pittsburgh charges $2.75 or $2.50 with a connect card. NYC riders are getting off cheap. You need to get out a little more Prince. Perhaps NY residents will boycott the subway and drive their cars to work and pay at least $60 a day for parking+ bridge and tunnel tolls + gas. Is that what you would do?

What I would do is have the city sell the Subway system.

There seems to be enough business with the number of crowded subway cars, a private operator would be able to build the business and reduce fares. Also clean up the crime situation down in the subway, tell people that are suspected of Robbery, Loitering, Public Urination and other crimes to go somewhere else.

 

[Indeependent]

The city may have to close it up, and fill in the hole, massive deficits plague the system.

They can't make it in spite of a Sky High Fare of $2.75- more than twice the transit fares for Youngstown Ohio or the Shenango Valley of Pennsylvania where the fares are $1.25.

Maybe if the city can sell the Subway system to private enterprise, and see what the market can do?

New York City subway and bus services have entered 'death spiral', experts say

A lot of the article is an outright lie.
The service itself is better than ever.
The bastards are simply looking to pilfer more money.
Yes, my family uses the NYC system quite often.

 

[MarcATL]

They’re all corrupt.
And the politicians are Democrats.

So it's stemming from the Democrats then? All this corruption and money wasting?

 

[MarcATL]

What I would do is have the city sell the Subway system.

There seems to be enough business with the number of crowded subway cars, a private operator would be able to build the business and reduce fares. Also clean up the crime situation down in the subway, tell people that are suspected of Robbery, Loitering, Public Urination and other crimes to go somewhere else.

Crime is currently a problem on the NYC subway system?

Wasn't that way when last I lived there, I left in Dec of 07.

 

[Indeependent]

They’re all corrupt.
And the politicians are Democrats.

So it's stemming from the Democrats then? All this corruption and money wasting?

I see you know zip about the makeup of Albany or the Unions...
All Democrats.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

No, it's the unions at both places. On average, NYCHA apartments cost $14,000/apartment/year to operate and THAT'S WITHOUT PAYING REAL ESTATE TAXES. A private non-union (32BJ) company could run it at between $7 to 8K paying real estate taxes. High end luxury buildings are more like $10K to run

Interesting information. Truly.

However, what does that have to do w/actual or potential corruption at the top?

The Top? The MTA? Cuomo? DeBlasio? They don't want to wake up with a horsehead in their bed

 

[Silent Warrior]

So it's stemming from the Democrats then? All this corruption and money wasting?

Generally yes.

 

[August West]

Where do all those taxes NYers pay go?

Some of it goes to maintain and 843 mile transit system. Are there any transit systems anywhere that are self sufficient? I wonder if people screech about unions and corruption when they pay $3 a gallon for gas?