Care to link to these alleged international laws then in full and prove that Israel is in breach of them. Or will you duck and dive as you always do ?
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No Palestinian State
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Care to link to these alleged international laws then in full and prove that Israel is in breach of them. Or will you duck and dive as you always do ?
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No but gaza was the first step towards a lasting peace
Which the Palestinians don't want as they would lose the money they mooch. But the Geneva conventions say differently and they say the occupation ends once a peace deal is signed.
BULLSHIT
True but they seem to be the worst ones and the ones causing the most trouble.
Correct
BULLSHIT?
Ok Phoney... Like to tell me what Netanyahu has been quoted as saying about No Palestine?
What did the left of center parties have to say about No Palestine?
There are no "worst ones"...
Israel does not want peace... Because it will mean that they have to hand back occupied territory!
No Palestinian state under the present conditions
Israel is prepared to negotiate a peace deal that includes Jews living on Jewish owned land in the west bank
Define Jewish owned land in the West Bank...
If you mean settlers in occupied territory then... It's 'occupied' NOT 'owned'!
Simple land owned by the Jews prior to the mass eviction in 1949 that the Jews had valid land title to. This has been corroborated by the Land Registry in the UK that holds the details from the Mandate period. They show very little actual arab muslim land ownership in Palestine due to them not registering the land because they would need to pay taxes and be subject to conscription.
The land may be occupied in as much as it is under P.A. control, but it is owned by the Jews building the settlements and under International law the P.A. has to provide for their safety. If they refuse then Israel can provide the safety required by the land owners.
And the 'settlers'/'occupiers' should not be there Phoney should they! End of story!
Says who as the UN has admitted that the occupation is in line with International law
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BULLSHIT?
Ok Phoney... Like to tell me what Netanyahu has been quoted as saying about No Palestine?
What did the left of center parties have to say about No Palestine?
There are no "worst ones"...
Israel does not want peace... Because it will mean that they have to hand back occupied territory!
No Palestinian state under the present conditions
Israel is prepared to negotiate a peace deal that includes Jews living on Jewish owned land in the west bank
Define Jewish owned land in the West Bank...
If you mean settlers in occupied territory then... It's 'occupied' NOT 'owned'!
Simple land owned by the Jews prior to the mass eviction in 1949 that the Jews had valid land title to. This has been corroborated by the Land Registry in the UK that holds the details from the Mandate period. They show very little actual arab muslim land ownership in Palestine due to them not registering the land because they would need to pay taxes and be subject to conscription.
The land may be occupied in as much as it is under P.A. control, but it is owned by the Jews building the settlements and under International law the P.A. has to provide for their safety. If they refuse then Israel can provide the safety required by the land owners.
And the 'settlers'/'occupiers' should not be there Phoney should they! End of story!
Says who as the UN has admitted that the occupation is in line with International law
You are such a knucklehead. A constant source of baldfaced lies.
Resolution 446 (1979)
of 22 March 1979
The Security Council,
Having heard the statement of the Permanent Representative of Jordan and other statements made before the Council,
"Affirming once more that the Fourth Geneva Convention relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War of 12 August 1949 1/ is applicable to the Arab territories occupied by Israel since 1967, including Jerusalem,
1. Determines that the policy and practices of Israel in establishing settlements in the Palestinian and other Arab territories occupied since 1967 have no legal validity and constitute a serious obstruction to achieving a comprehensive, just and lasting peace in the Middle East;"
S RES 446 1979 of 22 March 1979
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You didn't answer the questions.Nice duck.How many came from Egypt?The aggressors are always those that come from elsewhere...
That is a standard principle. If the police are called for a fight at a house who do they haul off? The person who lives there stays. The person from elsewhere gets arrested.
"The aggressors are always those that come from elsewhere.." Right on. Like from Egypt & Jordan. And who said Tinmore is an imbecile?.
How many came from Jordan?
Quite a lot actually, even their leader was not from Palestine.
How is posting factual truth ducking ?
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BULLSHIT?
Ok Phoney... Like to tell me what Netanyahu has been quoted as saying about No Palestine?
What did the left of center parties have to say about No Palestine?
There are no "worst ones"...
Israel does not want peace... Because it will mean that they have to hand back occupied territory!
No Palestinian state under the present conditions
Israel is prepared to negotiate a peace deal that includes Jews living on Jewish owned land in the west bank
Define Jewish owned land in the West Bank...
If you mean settlers in occupied territory then... It's 'occupied' NOT 'owned'!
Simple land owned by the Jews prior to the mass eviction in 1949 that the Jews had valid land title to. This has been corroborated by the Land Registry in the UK that holds the details from the Mandate period. They show very little actual arab muslim land ownership in Palestine due to them not registering the land because they would need to pay taxes and be subject to conscription.
The land may be occupied in as much as it is under P.A. control, but it is owned by the Jews building the settlements and under International law the P.A. has to provide for their safety. If they refuse then Israel can provide the safety required by the land owners.
And the 'settlers'/'occupiers' should not be there Phoney should they! End of story!
Says who as the UN has admitted that the occupation is in line with International law
No Palestinian state under the present conditions
Israel is prepared to negotiate a peace deal that includes Jews living on Jewish owned land in the west bank
Define Jewish owned land in the West Bank...
If you mean settlers in occupied territory then... It's 'occupied' NOT 'owned'!
Simple land owned by the Jews prior to the mass eviction in 1949 that the Jews had valid land title to. This has been corroborated by the Land Registry in the UK that holds the details from the Mandate period. They show very little actual arab muslim land ownership in Palestine due to them not registering the land because they would need to pay taxes and be subject to conscription.
The land may be occupied in as much as it is under P.A. control, but it is owned by the Jews building the settlements and under International law the P.A. has to provide for their safety. If they refuse then Israel can provide the safety required by the land owners.
And the 'settlers'/'occupiers' should not be there Phoney should they! End of story!
Says who as the UN has admitted that the occupation is in line with International law
You are such a knucklehead. A constant source of baldfaced lies.
Resolution 446 (1979)
of 22 March 1979
The Security Council,
Having heard the statement of the Permanent Representative of Jordan and other statements made before the Council,
"Affirming once more that the Fourth Geneva Convention relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War of 12 August 1949 1/ is applicable to the Arab territories occupied by Israel since 1967, including Jerusalem,
1. Determines that the policy and practices of Israel in establishing settlements in the Palestinian and other Arab territories occupied since 1967 have no legal validity and constitute a serious obstruction to achieving a comprehensive, just and lasting peace in the Middle East;"
S RES 446 1979 of 22 March 1979
What does that have to do with the occupation of the west bank ?
And for the record Arafat signed away much of the west bank in 1999 at Oslo, you know that treaty that fatah tried to use last year to force Israel into leaving. What did that say again about the settlements ?
You didn't answer the questions.Nice duck.How many came from Egypt?"The aggressors are always those that come from elsewhere.." Right on. Like from Egypt & Jordan. And who said Tinmore is an imbecile?.
How many came from Jordan?
Quite a lot actually, even their leader was not from Palestine.
How is posting factual truth ducking ?
You asked how many arab muslims came from Egypt and Jordan.
I answered "quite a lot"
So how is that ducking or not answering your question ?
No Palestinian state under the present conditions
Israel is prepared to negotiate a peace deal that includes Jews living on Jewish owned land in the west bank
Define Jewish owned land in the West Bank...
If you mean settlers in occupied territory then... It's 'occupied' NOT 'owned'!
Simple land owned by the Jews prior to the mass eviction in 1949 that the Jews had valid land title to. This has been corroborated by the Land Registry in the UK that holds the details from the Mandate period. They show very little actual arab muslim land ownership in Palestine due to them not registering the land because they would need to pay taxes and be subject to conscription.
The land may be occupied in as much as it is under P.A. control, but it is owned by the Jews building the settlements and under International law the P.A. has to provide for their safety. If they refuse then Israel can provide the safety required by the land owners.
And the 'settlers'/'occupiers' should not be there Phoney should they! End of story!
Says who as the UN has admitted that the occupation is in line with International law
Israeli-occupied territories - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
The International Court of Justice,[4] the UN General Assembly[5] and the United Nations Security Council regards Israel as the "Occupying Power.
The historical fiction of Israel s occupation
Since today is a relatively slow news day (he says, probably to be surprised), it’s a good time for another legal history lesson, from law professor Eugene Kontorovich, who also is affiliated with The Lawfare Project.
We previously featured his lecture, The Legal Case for Israel, which addressed the mythology that Israel illegally occupies the West Bank. In fact, as Prof. Kontorovich explained in great detail, it was Jordan which illegally occupied the West Bank after the armistice of 1949 until 1967. Israel took back what illegally had been taken from it.
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Define Jewish owned land in the West Bank...
If you mean settlers in occupied territory then... It's 'occupied' NOT 'owned'!
Simple land owned by the Jews prior to the mass eviction in 1949 that the Jews had valid land title to. This has been corroborated by the Land Registry in the UK that holds the details from the Mandate period. They show very little actual arab muslim land ownership in Palestine due to them not registering the land because they would need to pay taxes and be subject to conscription.
The land may be occupied in as much as it is under P.A. control, but it is owned by the Jews building the settlements and under International law the P.A. has to provide for their safety. If they refuse then Israel can provide the safety required by the land owners.
And the 'settlers'/'occupiers' should not be there Phoney should they! End of story!
Says who as the UN has admitted that the occupation is in line with International law
Israeli-occupied territories - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
The International Court of Justice,[4] the UN General Assembly[5] and the United Nations Security Council regards Israel as the "Occupying Power.
The historical fiction of Israel s occupation
Since today is a relatively slow news day (he says, probably to be surprised), it’s a good time for another legal history lesson, from law professor Eugene Kontorovich, who also is affiliated with The Lawfare Project.
We previously featured his lecture, The Legal Case for Israel, which addressed the mythology that Israel illegally occupies the West Bank. In fact, as Prof. Kontorovich explained in great detail, it was Jordan which illegally occupied the West Bank after the armistice of 1949 until 1967. Israel took back what illegally had been taken from it.
I think the underlying issue here is who's land is it? So lets see now, which came first, Solomon's Temole or the Al Asqa Mosque?
montelatici
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Define Jewish owned land in the West Bank...
If you mean settlers in occupied territory then... It's 'occupied' NOT 'owned'!
Simple land owned by the Jews prior to the mass eviction in 1949 that the Jews had valid land title to. This has been corroborated by the Land Registry in the UK that holds the details from the Mandate period. They show very little actual arab muslim land ownership in Palestine due to them not registering the land because they would need to pay taxes and be subject to conscription.
The land may be occupied in as much as it is under P.A. control, but it is owned by the Jews building the settlements and under International law the P.A. has to provide for their safety. If they refuse then Israel can provide the safety required by the land owners.
And the 'settlers'/'occupiers' should not be there Phoney should they! End of story!
Says who as the UN has admitted that the occupation is in line with International law
You are such a knucklehead. A constant source of baldfaced lies.
Resolution 446 (1979)
of 22 March 1979
The Security Council,
Having heard the statement of the Permanent Representative of Jordan and other statements made before the Council,
"Affirming once more that the Fourth Geneva Convention relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War of 12 August 1949 1/ is applicable to the Arab territories occupied by Israel since 1967, including Jerusalem,
1. Determines that the policy and practices of Israel in establishing settlements in the Palestinian and other Arab territories occupied since 1967 have no legal validity and constitute a serious obstruction to achieving a comprehensive, just and lasting peace in the Middle East;"
S RES 446 1979 of 22 March 1979
What does that have to do with the occupation of the west bank ?
And for the record Arafat signed away much of the west bank in 1999 at Oslo, you know that treaty that fatah tried to use last year to force Israel into leaving. What did that say again about the settlements ?
You obviously have a reading comprehension issue.
Simple land owned by the Jews prior to the mass eviction in 1949 that the Jews had valid land title to. This has been corroborated by the Land Registry in the UK that holds the details from the Mandate period. They show very little actual arab muslim land ownership in Palestine due to them not registering the land because they would need to pay taxes and be subject to conscription.
The land may be occupied in as much as it is under P.A. control, but it is owned by the Jews building the settlements and under International law the P.A. has to provide for their safety. If they refuse then Israel can provide the safety required by the land owners.
And the 'settlers'/'occupiers' should not be there Phoney should they! End of story!
Says who as the UN has admitted that the occupation is in line with International law
You are such a knucklehead. A constant source of baldfaced lies.
Resolution 446 (1979)
of 22 March 1979
The Security Council,
Having heard the statement of the Permanent Representative of Jordan and other statements made before the Council,
"Affirming once more that the Fourth Geneva Convention relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War of 12 August 1949 1/ is applicable to the Arab territories occupied by Israel since 1967, including Jerusalem,
1. Determines that the policy and practices of Israel in establishing settlements in the Palestinian and other Arab territories occupied since 1967 have no legal validity and constitute a serious obstruction to achieving a comprehensive, just and lasting peace in the Middle East;"
S RES 446 1979 of 22 March 1979
What does that have to do with the occupation of the west bank ?
And for the record Arafat signed away much of the west bank in 1999 at Oslo, you know that treaty that fatah tried to use last year to force Israel into leaving. What did that say again about the settlements ?
You obviously have a reading comprehension issue.
That is you Abdul as no where in your cut and paste is occupation mentioned. You also ignore the fat that the Jews who owned most of Jerusalem and the west bank were forcibly evicted from their legal property by arab muslims. The land registry shows the land the Jews owned and the arab muslims cant alter those records. The same land registry shows just how little land the arab muslims owned and again they cant alter those records. And those Ottoman and British records are immutable and prove everything you say about who owned what to be a pack of lies.
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The land registries show exactly what the Survey determined. The Jews owned less than 5% of the land. The Christians and Muslims owned more than 85%. 24 million dunams owned by the Christians and Muslims 1.5 dunmans by the Jews. The land registries were what the surveyors used to determine who owned the land. Your lies can't change the facts contained within the Ottoman and British records. These are the confirmed and published facts. You just blather nonsense, making things up with nothing to back up your blathering.
The land registries show exactly what the Survey determined. The Jews owned less than 5% of the land. The Christians and Muslims owned more than 85%. 24 million dunams owned by the Christians and Muslims 1.5 dunmans by the Jews. The land registries were what the surveyors used to determine who owned the land. Your lies can't change the facts contained within the Ottoman and British records. These are the confirmed and published facts. You just blather nonsense, making things up with nothing to back up your blathering.
View attachment 38263
You don't know what you are talking about, do you even know what a land registry is. It is not your piece of fiction you keep posting for starters. It is a record of who acquired the land and in what manner going back as far as records are kept. The records for palestine were originally created by the Ottoman empire and show very little land ownership until the late 1800's other than Ottoman landholders living away from Palestine. Then in the early 1900's they show the Jews buying land in Palestine from Ottoman landholders for more than the land was worth. It also showed that a few arab muslims ( Syrians ) bought some land close to major towns and cities. Then at the end of WW1 Britain took over the job of keeping the land registry for Palestine and it was updated every time a purchase of land was made. It was not a record of how many sheep a farmer had or what crops were grown it was a record of land title only. So the British had the task of asking the land workers for proof of title to the land. See this link for an idea of a land register
Land Registry sold prices for sp11 7ew
And here is a land registry entry
http://eservices.landregistry.gov.uk/www/wps/QDMPS-Portlet/resources/example_title_plan.pdf
Not what you are passing of as a land registry, which is nothing more than a work of fiction. Note both links above are from an official government site not the work of a committee working towards informing another committee what they should tell a third committee.
After 1949 the Israeli's had the task of updating the land registry for Palestine, and still do to this day because the P.A. does not have the required intelligence to keep one up to date.
Now go away and cry to your imam that you have been shown to be a complete idiot by a kuffar when you kept posting the tripe that you claim as a source document
montelatici
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The land registries show exactly what the Survey determined. The Jews owned less than 5% of the land. The Christians and Muslims owned more than 85%. 24 million dunams owned by the Christians and Muslims 1.5 dunmans by the Jews. The land registries were what the surveyors used to determine who owned the land. Your lies can't change the facts contained within the Ottoman and British records. These are the confirmed and published facts. You just blather nonsense, making things up with nothing to back up your blathering.
View attachment 38263
You don't know what you are talking about, do you even know what a land registry is. It is not your piece of fiction you keep posting for starters. It is a record of who acquired the land and in what manner going back as far as records are kept. The records for palestine were originally created by the Ottoman empire and show very little land ownership until the late 1800's other than Ottoman landholders living away from Palestine. Then in the early 1900's they show the Jews buying land in Palestine from Ottoman landholders for more than the land was worth. It also showed that a few arab muslims ( Syrians ) bought some land close to major towns and cities. Then at the end of WW1 Britain took over the job of keeping the land registry for Palestine and it was updated every time a purchase of land was made. It was not a record of how many sheep a farmer had or what crops were grown it was a record of land title only. So the British had the task of asking the land workers for proof of title to the land. See this link for an idea of a land register
Land Registry sold prices for sp11 7ew
And here is a land registry entry
http://eservices.landregistry.gov.uk/www/wps/QDMPS-Portlet/resources/example_title_plan.pdf
Not what you are passing of as a land registry, which is nothing more than a work of fiction. Note both links above are from an official government site not the work of a committee working towards informing another committee what they should tell a third committee.
After 1949 the Israeli's had the task of updating the land registry for Palestine, and still do to this day because the P.A. does not have the required intelligence to keep one up to date.
Now go away and cry to your imam that you have been shown to be a complete idiot by a kuffar when you kept posting the tripe that you claim as a source document
Listen you moron. The land registry was kept primarily to assess taxes on the individuals that owned the land based on acreage, location and usage, pasture land paid less taxes than an industrial park. Land registries used for taxation are the most accurate in any society because mistakes are quickly rectified because mistakes cost owners money. The British had access to the Ottoman data and newer (British) generated data that included the changes in ownership after Ottoman rule. As the U.S. State Department Survey published of Palestine states, the land ownership in Table 2., which is the Table I post, to blow your bullshit out of the water, states on page 563, para. 51:
"51 . Table 2, which has been compiled from the records of land
taxation................................"
A Survey of Palestine Volume 2 Berman Jewish Policy Archive NYU Wagner
Now shut up and stop trying to deny the facts which are in black and white in documents held by the U.S. Department of State as well as the British archives.
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The land registries show exactly what the Survey determined. The Jews owned less than 5% of the land. The Christians and Muslims owned more than 85%. 24 million dunams owned by the Christians and Muslims 1.5 dunmans by the Jews. The land registries were what the surveyors used to determine who owned the land. Your lies can't change the facts contained within the Ottoman and British records. These are the confirmed and published facts. You just blather nonsense, making things up with nothing to back up your blathering.
View attachment 38263
You don't know what you are talking about, do you even know what a land registry is. It is not your piece of fiction you keep posting for starters. It is a record of who acquired the land and in what manner going back as far as records are kept. The records for palestine were originally created by the Ottoman empire and show very little land ownership until the late 1800's other than Ottoman landholders living away from Palestine. Then in the early 1900's they show the Jews buying land in Palestine from Ottoman landholders for more than the land was worth. It also showed that a few arab muslims ( Syrians ) bought some land close to major towns and cities. Then at the end of WW1 Britain took over the job of keeping the land registry for Palestine and it was updated every time a purchase of land was made. It was not a record of how many sheep a farmer had or what crops were grown it was a record of land title only. So the British had the task of asking the land workers for proof of title to the land. See this link for an idea of a land register
Land Registry sold prices for sp11 7ew
And here is a land registry entry
http://eservices.landregistry.gov.uk/www/wps/QDMPS-Portlet/resources/example_title_plan.pdf
Not what you are passing of as a land registry, which is nothing more than a work of fiction. Note both links above are from an official government site not the work of a committee working towards informing another committee what they should tell a third committee.
After 1949 the Israeli's had the task of updating the land registry for Palestine, and still do to this day because the P.A. does not have the required intelligence to keep one up to date.
Now go away and cry to your imam that you have been shown to be a complete idiot by a kuffar when you kept posting the tripe that you claim as a source document
PA has copies of the Ottoman land registries. Large areas of land were sold to jews and tenet farmers had to leave in many cases. Most of the land was state land, not owned by palestinians.
With those record, why have there not been more court case to allow the palestinian owner to get back the land or compensated for it?
People that lived on the land, worked the land or sold the land have no legal claim to return the land to them.
It has been years since they received the registry.
If they do own any land, they also owe the unpaid taxes. Land abandoned for more than ten years could be bought or become state land. Israel courts have been favorable to most cases claims, but not all were valid. Arafat printed up fake documents and handed out old keys to make it seem that every refugee owned land. They did not.
Refugees pushed some of those living in gaza and the WB to move and those moved to Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, etc. They did not all move from what is now Israel.
Israel has already allowed around 100,000 to return through various programs until Oslo.
Even if Israel was inclined, there is no way Israel could absorb more than a million refugees all at once or even in stages.
They claim to be palestinian and the PA should be responsible for their care, relocating, finding a job, provide housing, social services, job training and anything else.
Till hamas and the other group disarm and stop calling for the destruction of Israel there can be no state. Hamas is unwilling and calls on people to attack Israel. How can they be allowed a state and live in peace with Israel when all they want to Israel blood to flood the streets?
The land registries show exactly what the Survey determined. The Jews owned less than 5% of the land. The Christians and Muslims owned more than 85%. 24 million dunams owned by the Christians and Muslims 1.5 dunmans by the Jews. The land registries were what the surveyors used to determine who owned the land. Your lies can't change the facts contained within the Ottoman and British records. These are the confirmed and published facts. You just blather nonsense, making things up with nothing to back up your blathering.
View attachment 38263
You don't know what you are talking about, do you even know what a land registry is. It is not your piece of fiction you keep posting for starters. It is a record of who acquired the land and in what manner going back as far as records are kept. The records for palestine were originally created by the Ottoman empire and show very little land ownership until the late 1800's other than Ottoman landholders living away from Palestine. Then in the early 1900's they show the Jews buying land in Palestine from Ottoman landholders for more than the land was worth. It also showed that a few arab muslims ( Syrians ) bought some land close to major towns and cities. Then at the end of WW1 Britain took over the job of keeping the land registry for Palestine and it was updated every time a purchase of land was made. It was not a record of how many sheep a farmer had or what crops were grown it was a record of land title only. So the British had the task of asking the land workers for proof of title to the land. See this link for an idea of a land register
Land Registry sold prices for sp11 7ew
And here is a land registry entry
http://eservices.landregistry.gov.uk/www/wps/QDMPS-Portlet/resources/example_title_plan.pdf
Not what you are passing of as a land registry, which is nothing more than a work of fiction. Note both links above are from an official government site not the work of a committee working towards informing another committee what they should tell a third committee.
After 1949 the Israeli's had the task of updating the land registry for Palestine, and still do to this day because the P.A. does not have the required intelligence to keep one up to date.
Now go away and cry to your imam that you have been shown to be a complete idiot by a kuffar when you kept posting the tripe that you claim as a source document
Listen you moron. The land registry was kept primarily to assess taxes on the individuals that owned the land based on acreage, location and usage, pasture land paid less taxes than an industrial park. Land registries used for taxation are the most accurate in any society because mistakes are quickly rectified because mistakes cost owners money. The British had access to the Ottoman data and newer (British) generated data that included the changes in ownership after Ottoman rule. As the U.S. State Department Survey published of Palestine states, the land ownership in Table 2., which is the Table I post, to blow your bullshit out of the water, states on page 563, para. 51:
"51 . Table 2, which has been compiled from the records of land
taxation................................"
A Survey of Palestine Volume 2 Berman Jewish Policy Archive NYU Wagner
Now shut up and stop trying to deny the facts which are in black and white in documents held by the U.S. Department of State as well as the British archives.
Which is not the same thing as a LAND REGISTRY, as it has nothing to do with taxes just land ownership. I gave you examples of land registry documents now go and find some for arab muslim claims to land ownership.
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93% of Israel is state land as we speak. What does that mean?The land registries show exactly what the Survey determined. The Jews owned less than 5% of the land. The Christians and Muslims owned more than 85%. 24 million dunams owned by the Christians and Muslims 1.5 dunmans by the Jews. The land registries were what the surveyors used to determine who owned the land. Your lies can't change the facts contained within the Ottoman and British records. These are the confirmed and published facts. You just blather nonsense, making things up with nothing to back up your blathering.
View attachment 38263
You don't know what you are talking about, do you even know what a land registry is. It is not your piece of fiction you keep posting for starters. It is a record of who acquired the land and in what manner going back as far as records are kept. The records for palestine were originally created by the Ottoman empire and show very little land ownership until the late 1800's other than Ottoman landholders living away from Palestine. Then in the early 1900's they show the Jews buying land in Palestine from Ottoman landholders for more than the land was worth. It also showed that a few arab muslims ( Syrians ) bought some land close to major towns and cities. Then at the end of WW1 Britain took over the job of keeping the land registry for Palestine and it was updated every time a purchase of land was made. It was not a record of how many sheep a farmer had or what crops were grown it was a record of land title only. So the British had the task of asking the land workers for proof of title to the land. See this link for an idea of a land register
Land Registry sold prices for sp11 7ew
And here is a land registry entry
http://eservices.landregistry.gov.uk/www/wps/QDMPS-Portlet/resources/example_title_plan.pdf
Not what you are passing of as a land registry, which is nothing more than a work of fiction. Note both links above are from an official government site not the work of a committee working towards informing another committee what they should tell a third committee.
After 1949 the Israeli's had the task of updating the land registry for Palestine, and still do to this day because the P.A. does not have the required intelligence to keep one up to date.
Now go away and cry to your imam that you have been shown to be a complete idiot by a kuffar when you kept posting the tripe that you claim as a source document
PA has copies of the Ottoman land registries. Large areas of land were sold to jews and tenet farmers had to leave in many cases. Most of the land was state land, not owned by palestinians.
With those record, why have there not been more court case to allow the palestinian owner to get back the land or compensated for it?
People that lived on the land, worked the land or sold the land have no legal claim to return the land to them.
It has been years since they received the registry.
If they do own any land, they also owe the unpaid taxes. Land abandoned for more than ten years could be bought or become state land. Israel courts have been favorable to most cases claims, but not all were valid. Arafat printed up fake documents and handed out old keys to make it seem that every refugee owned land. They did not.
Refugees pushed some of those living in gaza and the WB to move and those moved to Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, etc. They did not all move from what is now Israel.
Israel has already allowed around 100,000 to return through various programs until Oslo.
Even if Israel was inclined, there is no way Israel could absorb more than a million refugees all at once or even in stages.
They claim to be palestinian and the PA should be responsible for their care, relocating, finding a job, provide housing, social services, job training and anything else.
Till hamas and the other group disarm and stop calling for the destruction of Israel there can be no state. Hamas is unwilling and calls on people to attack Israel. How can they be allowed a state and live in peace with Israel when all they want to Israel blood to flood the streets?
93% of Israel is state land as we speak. What does that mean?The land registries show exactly what the Survey determined. The Jews owned less than 5% of the land. The Christians and Muslims owned more than 85%. 24 million dunams owned by the Christians and Muslims 1.5 dunmans by the Jews. The land registries were what the surveyors used to determine who owned the land. Your lies can't change the facts contained within the Ottoman and British records. These are the confirmed and published facts. You just blather nonsense, making things up with nothing to back up your blathering.
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You don't know what you are talking about, do you even know what a land registry is. It is not your piece of fiction you keep posting for starters. It is a record of who acquired the land and in what manner going back as far as records are kept. The records for palestine were originally created by the Ottoman empire and show very little land ownership until the late 1800's other than Ottoman landholders living away from Palestine. Then in the early 1900's they show the Jews buying land in Palestine from Ottoman landholders for more than the land was worth. It also showed that a few arab muslims ( Syrians ) bought some land close to major towns and cities. Then at the end of WW1 Britain took over the job of keeping the land registry for Palestine and it was updated every time a purchase of land was made. It was not a record of how many sheep a farmer had or what crops were grown it was a record of land title only. So the British had the task of asking the land workers for proof of title to the land. See this link for an idea of a land register
Land Registry sold prices for sp11 7ew
And here is a land registry entry
http://eservices.landregistry.gov.uk/www/wps/QDMPS-Portlet/resources/example_title_plan.pdf
Not what you are passing of as a land registry, which is nothing more than a work of fiction. Note both links above are from an official government site not the work of a committee working towards informing another committee what they should tell a third committee.
After 1949 the Israeli's had the task of updating the land registry for Palestine, and still do to this day because the P.A. does not have the required intelligence to keep one up to date.
Now go away and cry to your imam that you have been shown to be a complete idiot by a kuffar when you kept posting the tripe that you claim as a source document
PA has copies of the Ottoman land registries. Large areas of land were sold to jews and tenet farmers had to leave in many cases. Most of the land was state land, not owned by palestinians.
With those record, why have there not been more court case to allow the palestinian owner to get back the land or compensated for it?
People that lived on the land, worked the land or sold the land have no legal claim to return the land to them.
It has been years since they received the registry.
If they do own any land, they also owe the unpaid taxes. Land abandoned for more than ten years could be bought or become state land. Israel courts have been favorable to most cases claims, but not all were valid. Arafat printed up fake documents and handed out old keys to make it seem that every refugee owned land. They did not.
Refugees pushed some of those living in gaza and the WB to move and those moved to Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, etc. They did not all move from what is now Israel.
Israel has already allowed around 100,000 to return through various programs until Oslo.
Even if Israel was inclined, there is no way Israel could absorb more than a million refugees all at once or even in stages.
They claim to be palestinian and the PA should be responsible for their care, relocating, finding a job, provide housing, social services, job training and anything else.
Till hamas and the other group disarm and stop calling for the destruction of Israel there can be no state. Hamas is unwilling and calls on people to attack Israel. How can they be allowed a state and live in peace with Israel when all they want to Israel blood to flood the streets?
The same thing as American state land, British state land and any other nations state land. It is land owned by the state on behalf of the people. As in the many war cenetries, national parks, national institutions, roads, road verges etc. Who owns the Washinton Memorial and looks after it, who owns the Military bases ?
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93% of Israel is state land as we speak. What does that mean?The land registries show exactly what the Survey determined. The Jews owned less than 5% of the land. The Christians and Muslims owned more than 85%. 24 million dunams owned by the Christians and Muslims 1.5 dunmans by the Jews. The land registries were what the surveyors used to determine who owned the land. Your lies can't change the facts contained within the Ottoman and British records. These are the confirmed and published facts. You just blather nonsense, making things up with nothing to back up your blathering.
View attachment 38263
You don't know what you are talking about, do you even know what a land registry is. It is not your piece of fiction you keep posting for starters. It is a record of who acquired the land and in what manner going back as far as records are kept. The records for palestine were originally created by the Ottoman empire and show very little land ownership until the late 1800's other than Ottoman landholders living away from Palestine. Then in the early 1900's they show the Jews buying land in Palestine from Ottoman landholders for more than the land was worth. It also showed that a few arab muslims ( Syrians ) bought some land close to major towns and cities. Then at the end of WW1 Britain took over the job of keeping the land registry for Palestine and it was updated every time a purchase of land was made. It was not a record of how many sheep a farmer had or what crops were grown it was a record of land title only. So the British had the task of asking the land workers for proof of title to the land. See this link for an idea of a land register
Land Registry sold prices for sp11 7ew
And here is a land registry entry
http://eservices.landregistry.gov.uk/www/wps/QDMPS-Portlet/resources/example_title_plan.pdf
Not what you are passing of as a land registry, which is nothing more than a work of fiction. Note both links above are from an official government site not the work of a committee working towards informing another committee what they should tell a third committee.
After 1949 the Israeli's had the task of updating the land registry for Palestine, and still do to this day because the P.A. does not have the required intelligence to keep one up to date.
Now go away and cry to your imam that you have been shown to be a complete idiot by a kuffar when you kept posting the tripe that you claim as a source document
PA has copies of the Ottoman land registries. Large areas of land were sold to jews and tenet farmers had to leave in many cases. Most of the land was state land, not owned by palestinians.
With those record, why have there not been more court case to allow the palestinian owner to get back the land or compensated for it?
People that lived on the land, worked the land or sold the land have no legal claim to return the land to them.
It has been years since they received the registry.
If they do own any land, they also owe the unpaid taxes. Land abandoned for more than ten years could be bought or become state land. Israel courts have been favorable to most cases claims, but not all were valid. Arafat printed up fake documents and handed out old keys to make it seem that every refugee owned land. They did not.
Refugees pushed some of those living in gaza and the WB to move and those moved to Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, etc. They did not all move from what is now Israel.
Israel has already allowed around 100,000 to return through various programs until Oslo.
Even if Israel was inclined, there is no way Israel could absorb more than a million refugees all at once or even in stages.
They claim to be palestinian and the PA should be responsible for their care, relocating, finding a job, provide housing, social services, job training and anything else.
Till hamas and the other group disarm and stop calling for the destruction of Israel there can be no state. Hamas is unwilling and calls on people to attack Israel. How can they be allowed a state and live in peace with Israel when all they want to Israel blood to flood the streets?
The same thing as American state land, British state land and any other nations state land. It is land owned by the state on behalf of the people. As in the many war cenetries, national parks, national institutions, roads, road verges etc. Who owns the Washinton Memorial and looks after it, who owns the Military bases ?
highways, utilities, government buildings, train/subways, land that is require to provide services to the people.
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