And you reply with the islamonazi viewpoint, which of course is based on LIES and PALLYWOOD PROPAGANDA
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No Palestinian State
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And you reply with the islamonazi viewpoint, which of course is based on LIES and PALLYWOOD PROPAGANDA
montelatici
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The Palestinians were at home minding their own business when foreigners came down from Europe with the stated goal of taking over the country. Then they proceeded to do just that.P F Tinmore, et al,
The successor governments were generally hindered in their mission by the combatants to the conflict; predicated on the Arab Aggressor.
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The links are marked in "blue" in the previous postings.
The successor to the UNPC --- the Mediator --- was involved in the arrangement of the ceasefire and subsequent Armistice Arrangements through the Truce Commission. In the case of most conflicts, the parties to the conflict are generally not protected by the UN but fall under customary law. The UN, once the conflict is ignited, most often sets the conditions for peace negotiation for which an armistice is just one phase.
The conflict, both the civil war prior to May 15, and the war of independence after May 15, were a products initiated and aggravated by hostile Arab activity; intended to disrupt the implementation of Resolution 181(II) which the general Arab Community found unsatisfactory.
Most Respectfully,
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I don't see how the Palestinians can be considered the aggressors.
There was no stated goal to take over nothing.
They are the aggressors for several reasons, the first one being that they started killing/massacring Jews before any Arab was killed.
Firstly, there is no way to tell who killed first. Some histories state that Palestinian shepherds were killed by Europeans when their sheep wandered onto Jewish farms. But who killed who first has no bearing.
The aggressors are always those that come from elsewhere to settle land where people, that do not want foreign settlers, are already living. Your crazy notion would deem the Native Americans the aggressors because they may have killed a European before a European killed a Native American.The aggressors are always those that come from elsewhere...
That is a standard principle. If the police are called for a fight at a house who do they haul off? The person who lives there stays. The person from elsewhere gets arrested.
Just where did the arab muslims come from prior to 635C.E. then. They did not come from Judea or Samaria did they. Or from Egypt and Syria they came from Saudi Arabia .
So who are the aggressors then who came from elsewhere ?
They were Christians for the most part and were the people that had always lived there practicing other religions. There were less than a half a million people living in Arabia when Islam started, the desert doesn't support large populations. The "Arab" armies were made up of converts to Islam for the most part from Christianity. The Arabians were the core of the leadership, only. Even the greatest 'Arab" military leader wasn't an Arab ethnically, Saladin.
montelatici
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There was no stated goal to take over nothing.
They are the aggressors for several reasons, the first one being that they started killing/massacring Jews before any Arab was killed.
Firstly, there is no way to tell who killed first. Some histories state that Palestinian shepherds were killed by Europeans when their sheep wandered onto Jewish farms. But who killed who first has no bearing.
The aggressors are always those that come from elsewhere to settle land where people, that do not want foreign settlers, are already living. Your crazy notion would deem the Native Americans the aggressors because they may have killed a European before a European killed a Native American.The aggressors are always those that come from elsewhere...
That is a standard principle. If the police are called for a fight at a house who do they haul off? The person who lives there stays. The person from elsewhere gets arrested.
"The aggressors are always those that come from elsewhere.." Right on. Like from Egypt & Jordan. And who said Tinmore is an imbecile?.
The only people that came from elsewhere, another continent, were the European Jews. The Palestinians have been in Palestine for over a thousand years.
Yes the Jews, but not the arab muslims as they were only invented in 627 C.E.
No there were hardly any Jews in Palestine. The population was overwhelming Christian, by law. Christianity was the state religion of the Roman (Eastern) Empire. Most converted to Islam, it was a way to pay fewer taxes.
Read Oslo and see what the first steps were towards a lasting peace, then get back and explain what the arab muslims did towards promoting that lasting peace. There were a lot of Jews that owned land and property in gaza so you cant say that it did not belong to them. Israel will when the Palestinians agree peace terms and mutual borders as set down in the Geneva conventions. There can never be discusions on a two state solution while the arab muslims are making illegal demands and trying to force other nations into doing their dirty work for them. Doing so will lead to massive repurcusions for both parties.
I don't doubt that Jews owned land and property in Gaza...
But as I am sure you know, Oslo doesn't just mention Gaza does it.
There can never be a two state solution until occupied territory is unoccupied.
There will never be a two state solution whilst Israel remains right wing.
It is important to remember that it is not only the Arab Muslims who are the 'bad guys' here!
There will never be peace in the region until BOTH parties accept that they BOTH need to make some compromises!
Correct
No but gaza was the first step towards a lasting peace
Which the Palestinians don't want as they would lose the money they mooch. But the Geneva conventions say differently and they say the occupation ends once a peace deal is signed.
BULLSHIT
True but they seem to be the worst ones and the ones causing the most trouble.
Correct
BULLSHIT?
Ok Phoney... Like to tell me what Netanyahu has been quoted as saying about No Palestine?
What did the left of center parties have to say about No Palestine?
There are no "worst ones"...
Israel does not want peace... Because it will mean that they have to hand back occupied territory!
No Palestinian state under the present conditions
Israel is prepared to negotiate a peace deal that includes Jews living on Jewish owned land in the west bank
Define Jewish owned land in the West Bank...
If you mean settlers in occupied territory then... It's 'occupied' NOT 'owned'!
Simple land owned by the Jews prior to the mass eviction in 1949 that the Jews had valid land title to. This has been corroborated by the Land Registry in the UK that holds the details from the Mandate period. They show very little actual arab muslim land ownership in Palestine due to them not registering the land because they would need to pay taxes and be subject to conscription.
The land may be occupied in as much as it is under P.A. control, but it is owned by the Jews building the settlements and under International law the P.A. has to provide for their safety. If they refuse then Israel can provide the safety required by the land owners.
How many came from Egypt?The Palestinians were at home minding their own business when foreigners came down from Europe with the stated goal of taking over the country. Then they proceeded to do just that.
I don't see how the Palestinians can be considered the aggressors.
There was no stated goal to take over nothing.
They are the aggressors for several reasons, the first one being that they started killing/massacring Jews before any Arab was killed.
Firstly, there is no way to tell who killed first. Some histories state that Palestinian shepherds were killed by Europeans when their sheep wandered onto Jewish farms. But who killed who first has no bearing.
The aggressors are always those that come from elsewhere to settle land where people, that do not want foreign settlers, are already living. Your crazy notion would deem the Native Americans the aggressors because they may have killed a European before a European killed a Native American.The aggressors are always those that come from elsewhere...
That is a standard principle. If the police are called for a fight at a house who do they haul off? The person who lives there stays. The person from elsewhere gets arrested.
"The aggressors are always those that come from elsewhere.." Right on. Like from Egypt & Jordan. And who said Tinmore is an imbecile?.
How many came from Jordan?
Quite a lot actually, even their leader was not from Palestine.
The Palestinians were at home minding their own business when foreigners came down from Europe with the stated goal of taking over the country. Then they proceeded to do just that.
I don't see how the Palestinians can be considered the aggressors.
There was no stated goal to take over nothing.
They are the aggressors for several reasons, the first one being that they started killing/massacring Jews before any Arab was killed.
Firstly, there is no way to tell who killed first. Some histories state that Palestinian shepherds were killed by Europeans when their sheep wandered onto Jewish farms. But who killed who first has no bearing.
The aggressors are always those that come from elsewhere to settle land where people, that do not want foreign settlers, are already living. Your crazy notion would deem the Native Americans the aggressors because they may have killed a European before a European killed a Native American.The aggressors are always those that come from elsewhere...
That is a standard principle. If the police are called for a fight at a house who do they haul off? The person who lives there stays. The person from elsewhere gets arrested.
Just where did the arab muslims come from prior to 635C.E. then. They did not come from Judea or Samaria did they. Or from Egypt and Syria they came from Saudi Arabia .
So who are the aggressors then who came from elsewhere ?
They were Christians for the most part and were the people that had always lived there practicing other religions. There were less than a half a million people living in Arabia when Islam started, the desert doesn't support large populations. The "Arab" armies were made up of converts to Islam for the most part from Christianity. The Arabians were the core of the leadership, only. Even the greatest 'Arab" military leader wasn't an Arab ethnically, Saladin.
Again Christianity was a new religion that did not surface until well into the 2nd Century and was not mainstream until the late 4th early 5th centuries. roughly 150 years before islam was invented. Prior to the Roman invasion over 1 million Jews lived in Jerusalem alone, and the land was fertile due to the diligence of the Jews. Since the Roman invasion the Jews were taken as slaves or killed out of hand right up until the modern day. Look at the Cathedral of Bones in Spain built from the skeletons of murdered Jews and Christians
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Nice duck.How many came from Egypt?There was no stated goal to take over nothing.
They are the aggressors for several reasons, the first one being that they started killing/massacring Jews before any Arab was killed.
Firstly, there is no way to tell who killed first. Some histories state that Palestinian shepherds were killed by Europeans when their sheep wandered onto Jewish farms. But who killed who first has no bearing.
The aggressors are always those that come from elsewhere to settle land where people, that do not want foreign settlers, are already living. Your crazy notion would deem the Native Americans the aggressors because they may have killed a European before a European killed a Native American.The aggressors are always those that come from elsewhere...
That is a standard principle. If the police are called for a fight at a house who do they haul off? The person who lives there stays. The person from elsewhere gets arrested.
"The aggressors are always those that come from elsewhere.." Right on. Like from Egypt & Jordan. And who said Tinmore is an imbecile?.
How many came from Jordan?
Quite a lot actually, even their leader was not from Palestine.
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Virtually no Israeli owns any land.I don't doubt that Jews owned land and property in Gaza...
But as I am sure you know, Oslo doesn't just mention Gaza does it.
There can never be a two state solution until occupied territory is unoccupied.
There will never be a two state solution whilst Israel remains right wing.
It is important to remember that it is not only the Arab Muslims who are the 'bad guys' here!
There will never be peace in the region until BOTH parties accept that they BOTH need to make some compromises!
Correct
No but gaza was the first step towards a lasting peace
Which the Palestinians don't want as they would lose the money they mooch. But the Geneva conventions say differently and they say the occupation ends once a peace deal is signed.
BULLSHIT
True but they seem to be the worst ones and the ones causing the most trouble.
Correct
BULLSHIT?
Ok Phoney... Like to tell me what Netanyahu has been quoted as saying about No Palestine?
What did the left of center parties have to say about No Palestine?
There are no "worst ones"...
Israel does not want peace... Because it will mean that they have to hand back occupied territory!
No Palestinian state under the present conditions
Israel is prepared to negotiate a peace deal that includes Jews living on Jewish owned land in the west bank
Define Jewish owned land in the West Bank...
If you mean settlers in occupied territory then... It's 'occupied' NOT 'owned'!
Simple land owned by the Jews prior to the mass eviction in 1949 that the Jews had valid land title to. This has been corroborated by the Land Registry in the UK that holds the details from the Mandate period. They show very little actual arab muslim land ownership in Palestine due to them not registering the land because they would need to pay taxes and be subject to conscription.
The land may be occupied in as much as it is under P.A. control, but it is owned by the Jews building the settlements and under International law the P.A. has to provide for their safety. If they refuse then Israel can provide the safety required by the land owners.
Does that mean that they have no right to live there.?
Virtually no Israeli owns any land.Correct
No but gaza was the first step towards a lasting peace
Which the Palestinians don't want as they would lose the money they mooch. But the Geneva conventions say differently and they say the occupation ends once a peace deal is signed.
BULLSHIT
True but they seem to be the worst ones and the ones causing the most trouble.
Correct
BULLSHIT?
Ok Phoney... Like to tell me what Netanyahu has been quoted as saying about No Palestine?
What did the left of center parties have to say about No Palestine?
There are no "worst ones"...
Israel does not want peace... Because it will mean that they have to hand back occupied territory!
No Palestinian state under the present conditions
Israel is prepared to negotiate a peace deal that includes Jews living on Jewish owned land in the west bank
Define Jewish owned land in the West Bank...
If you mean settlers in occupied territory then... It's 'occupied' NOT 'owned'!
Simple land owned by the Jews prior to the mass eviction in 1949 that the Jews had valid land title to. This has been corroborated by the Land Registry in the UK that holds the details from the Mandate period. They show very little actual arab muslim land ownership in Palestine due to them not registering the land because they would need to pay taxes and be subject to conscription.
The land may be occupied in as much as it is under P.A. control, but it is owned by the Jews building the settlements and under International law the P.A. has to provide for their safety. If they refuse then Israel can provide the safety required by the land owners.
Does that mean that they have no right to live there.?
What the hell is with you and making up garbage like this ?
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Israeli propagandists have told us a gazillion times that leased the land and therefore had no rights to their country.Virtually no Israeli owns any land.BULLSHIT?
Ok Phoney... Like to tell me what Netanyahu has been quoted as saying about No Palestine?
What did the left of center parties have to say about No Palestine?
There are no "worst ones"...
Israel does not want peace... Because it will mean that they have to hand back occupied territory!
No Palestinian state under the present conditions
Israel is prepared to negotiate a peace deal that includes Jews living on Jewish owned land in the west bank
Define Jewish owned land in the West Bank...
If you mean settlers in occupied territory then... It's 'occupied' NOT 'owned'!
Simple land owned by the Jews prior to the mass eviction in 1949 that the Jews had valid land title to. This has been corroborated by the Land Registry in the UK that holds the details from the Mandate period. They show very little actual arab muslim land ownership in Palestine due to them not registering the land because they would need to pay taxes and be subject to conscription.
The land may be occupied in as much as it is under P.A. control, but it is owned by the Jews building the settlements and under International law the P.A. has to provide for their safety. If they refuse then Israel can provide the safety required by the land owners.
Does that mean that they have no right to live there.?
What the hell is with you and making up garbage like this ?
Well, Israelis do not own any land. It is virtually all leased. Therefor we should apply the same standard.
Virtually no Israeli owns any land.Correct
No but gaza was the first step towards a lasting peace
Which the Palestinians don't want as they would lose the money they mooch. But the Geneva conventions say differently and they say the occupation ends once a peace deal is signed.
BULLSHIT
True but they seem to be the worst ones and the ones causing the most trouble.
Correct
BULLSHIT?
Ok Phoney... Like to tell me what Netanyahu has been quoted as saying about No Palestine?
What did the left of center parties have to say about No Palestine?
There are no "worst ones"...
Israel does not want peace... Because it will mean that they have to hand back occupied territory!
No Palestinian state under the present conditions
Israel is prepared to negotiate a peace deal that includes Jews living on Jewish owned land in the west bank
Define Jewish owned land in the West Bank...
If you mean settlers in occupied territory then... It's 'occupied' NOT 'owned'!
Simple land owned by the Jews prior to the mass eviction in 1949 that the Jews had valid land title to. This has been corroborated by the Land Registry in the UK that holds the details from the Mandate period. They show very little actual arab muslim land ownership in Palestine due to them not registering the land because they would need to pay taxes and be subject to conscription.
The land may be occupied in as much as it is under P.A. control, but it is owned by the Jews building the settlements and under International law the P.A. has to provide for their safety. If they refuse then Israel can provide the safety required by the land owners.
Does that mean that they have no right to live there.?
Huh? What do you mean no Israeli owns land ?
Israelis don't own land in their own country ? IS that what you're telling me ?
ISraelis don't own land in their own country ? Is that what you're saying ?Israeli propagandists have told us a gazillion times that leased the land and therefore had no rights to their country.Virtually no Israeli owns any land.No Palestinian state under the present conditions
Israel is prepared to negotiate a peace deal that includes Jews living on Jewish owned land in the west bank
Define Jewish owned land in the West Bank...
If you mean settlers in occupied territory then... It's 'occupied' NOT 'owned'!
Simple land owned by the Jews prior to the mass eviction in 1949 that the Jews had valid land title to. This has been corroborated by the Land Registry in the UK that holds the details from the Mandate period. They show very little actual arab muslim land ownership in Palestine due to them not registering the land because they would need to pay taxes and be subject to conscription.
The land may be occupied in as much as it is under P.A. control, but it is owned by the Jews building the settlements and under International law the P.A. has to provide for their safety. If they refuse then Israel can provide the safety required by the land owners.
Does that mean that they have no right to live there.?
What the hell is with you and making up garbage like this ?
Well, Israelis do not own any land. It is virtually all leased. Therefor we should apply the same standard.
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Sure, didn't you know that?Virtually no Israeli owns any land.BULLSHIT?
Ok Phoney... Like to tell me what Netanyahu has been quoted as saying about No Palestine?
What did the left of center parties have to say about No Palestine?
There are no "worst ones"...
Israel does not want peace... Because it will mean that they have to hand back occupied territory!
No Palestinian state under the present conditions
Israel is prepared to negotiate a peace deal that includes Jews living on Jewish owned land in the west bank
Define Jewish owned land in the West Bank...
If you mean settlers in occupied territory then... It's 'occupied' NOT 'owned'!
Simple land owned by the Jews prior to the mass eviction in 1949 that the Jews had valid land title to. This has been corroborated by the Land Registry in the UK that holds the details from the Mandate period. They show very little actual arab muslim land ownership in Palestine due to them not registering the land because they would need to pay taxes and be subject to conscription.
The land may be occupied in as much as it is under P.A. control, but it is owned by the Jews building the settlements and under International law the P.A. has to provide for their safety. If they refuse then Israel can provide the safety required by the land owners.
Does that mean that they have no right to live there.?
Huh? What do you mean no Israeli owns land ?
Israelis don't own land in their own country ? IS that what you're telling me ?
ISraelis don't own land in their own country ? Is that what you're saying ?Israeli propagandists have told us a gazillion times that leased the land and therefore had no rights to their country.Virtually no Israeli owns any land.Define Jewish owned land in the West Bank...
If you mean settlers in occupied territory then... It's 'occupied' NOT 'owned'!
Simple land owned by the Jews prior to the mass eviction in 1949 that the Jews had valid land title to. This has been corroborated by the Land Registry in the UK that holds the details from the Mandate period. They show very little actual arab muslim land ownership in Palestine due to them not registering the land because they would need to pay taxes and be subject to conscription.
The land may be occupied in as much as it is under P.A. control, but it is owned by the Jews building the settlements and under International law the P.A. has to provide for their safety. If they refuse then Israel can provide the safety required by the land owners.
Does that mean that they have no right to live there.?
What the hell is with you and making up garbage like this ?
Well, Israelis do not own any land. It is virtually all leased. Therefor we should apply the same standard.
The overwhelming majority of land is Israel is owned by the State and only a small minority is under private ownership. A negligible portion of land in Israel has not yet been categorized into either of these two areas.
Approximately 7% of the allocated land in Israel is privately owned. The rest, i.e. 93%, is owned by the State and is known as “Israeli Land”.
While the law expressly forbids transferring of such land either by sale or other means, it does imply that a long term lease would be permitted.
Types of land in Israel - Buy Property In Israel
Approximately 7% of the allocated land in Israel is privately owned. The rest, i.e. 93%, is owned by the State and is known as “Israeli Land”.
While the law expressly forbids transferring of such land either by sale or other means, it does imply that a long term lease would be permitted.
Types of land in Israel - Buy Property In Israel
You own your house but you lease the land it sits on. It is like a big trailer park.
Sure, didn't you know that?Virtually no Israeli owns any land.No Palestinian state under the present conditions
Israel is prepared to negotiate a peace deal that includes Jews living on Jewish owned land in the west bank
Define Jewish owned land in the West Bank...
If you mean settlers in occupied territory then... It's 'occupied' NOT 'owned'!
Simple land owned by the Jews prior to the mass eviction in 1949 that the Jews had valid land title to. This has been corroborated by the Land Registry in the UK that holds the details from the Mandate period. They show very little actual arab muslim land ownership in Palestine due to them not registering the land because they would need to pay taxes and be subject to conscription.
The land may be occupied in as much as it is under P.A. control, but it is owned by the Jews building the settlements and under International law the P.A. has to provide for their safety. If they refuse then Israel can provide the safety required by the land owners.
Does that mean that they have no right to live there.?
Huh? What do you mean no Israeli owns land ?
Israelis don't own land in their own country ? IS that what you're telling me ?
ISraelis don't own land in their own country ? Is that what you're saying ?Israeli propagandists have told us a gazillion times that leased the land and therefore had no rights to their country.Virtually no Israeli owns any land.Simple land owned by the Jews prior to the mass eviction in 1949 that the Jews had valid land title to. This has been corroborated by the Land Registry in the UK that holds the details from the Mandate period. They show very little actual arab muslim land ownership in Palestine due to them not registering the land because they would need to pay taxes and be subject to conscription.
The land may be occupied in as much as it is under P.A. control, but it is owned by the Jews building the settlements and under International law the P.A. has to provide for their safety. If they refuse then Israel can provide the safety required by the land owners.
Does that mean that they have no right to live there.?
What the hell is with you and making up garbage like this ?
Well, Israelis do not own any land. It is virtually all leased. Therefor we should apply the same standard.
The overwhelming majority of land is Israel is owned by the State and only a small minority is under private ownership. A negligible portion of land in Israel has not yet been categorized into either of these two areas.
Approximately 7% of the allocated land in Israel is privately owned. The rest, i.e. 93%, is owned by the State and is known as “Israeli Land”.
While the law expressly forbids transferring of such land either by sale or other means, it does imply that a long term lease would be permitted.
Types of land in Israel - Buy Property In Israel
You own your house but you lease the land it sits on. It is like a big trailer park.
Whoops, I thought you meant something entirely different. Apologize for my previous "where do you come up with this garbage" comment.
montelatici
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I don't doubt that Jews owned land and property in Gaza...
But as I am sure you know, Oslo doesn't just mention Gaza does it.
There can never be a two state solution until occupied territory is unoccupied.
There will never be a two state solution whilst Israel remains right wing.
It is important to remember that it is not only the Arab Muslims who are the 'bad guys' here!
There will never be peace in the region until BOTH parties accept that they BOTH need to make some compromises!
Correct
No but gaza was the first step towards a lasting peace
Which the Palestinians don't want as they would lose the money they mooch. But the Geneva conventions say differently and they say the occupation ends once a peace deal is signed.
BULLSHIT
True but they seem to be the worst ones and the ones causing the most trouble.
Correct
BULLSHIT?
Ok Phoney... Like to tell me what Netanyahu has been quoted as saying about No Palestine?
What did the left of center parties have to say about No Palestine?
There are no "worst ones"...
Israel does not want peace... Because it will mean that they have to hand back occupied territory!
No Palestinian state under the present conditions
Israel is prepared to negotiate a peace deal that includes Jews living on Jewish owned land in the west bank
Define Jewish owned land in the West Bank...
If you mean settlers in occupied territory then... It's 'occupied' NOT 'owned'!
Simple land owned by the Jews prior to the mass eviction in 1949 that the Jews had valid land title to. This has been corroborated by the Land Registry in the UK that holds the details from the Mandate period. They show very little actual arab muslim land ownership in Palestine due to them not registering the land because they would need to pay taxes and be subject to conscription.
The land may be occupied in as much as it is under P.A. control, but it is owned by the Jews building the settlements and under International law the P.A. has to provide for their safety. If they refuse then Israel can provide the safety required by the land owners.
Jews owned less than 5% of the land as per the land registry data as recorded by the Anglo-American commission as of 1943. 1.5 million dunams versus the 24 million dunams plus owned by the Christians and Muslims.
You are always making things up to try to justify the theft of land from the Christians and Muslims Phoney, just like your ZioNazi friends.
The Survey for Palestine produced for the UN prior to partition demonstrates the fact beyond a shadow of a doubt. All the volumes of the Survey for Palestine, the most comprehensive and factual report on the conditions in Palestine prior to partition is available at the Berman Jewish Policy Archive at the joint NYU/Wagner University archive site:
A Survey of Palestine Volume 2 Berman Jewish Policy Archive NYU Wagner
Humanity
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Unfortunately Israel leaving Gaza is not a real two state solution is it...
That was Israel pulling out of territory that does not belong to them... As Israel needs to pull out of all occupied territory.
There can then be proper discussions on a two state solution.
Read Oslo and see what the first steps were towards a lasting peace, then get back and explain what the arab muslims did towards promoting that lasting peace. There were a lot of Jews that owned land and property in gaza so you cant say that it did not belong to them. Israel will when the Palestinians agree peace terms and mutual borders as set down in the Geneva conventions. There can never be discusions on a two state solution while the arab muslims are making illegal demands and trying to force other nations into doing their dirty work for them. Doing so will lead to massive repurcusions for both parties.
I don't doubt that Jews owned land and property in Gaza...
But as I am sure you know, Oslo doesn't just mention Gaza does it.
There can never be a two state solution until occupied territory is unoccupied.
There will never be a two state solution whilst Israel remains right wing.
It is important to remember that it is not only the Arab Muslims who are the 'bad guys' here!
There will never be peace in the region until BOTH parties accept that they BOTH need to make some compromises!
Correct
No but gaza was the first step towards a lasting peace
Which the Palestinians don't want as they would lose the money they mooch. But the Geneva conventions say differently and they say the occupation ends once a peace deal is signed.
BULLSHIT
True but they seem to be the worst ones and the ones causing the most trouble.
Correct
BULLSHIT?
Ok Phoney... Like to tell me what Netanyahu has been quoted as saying about No Palestine?
What did the left of center parties have to say about No Palestine?
There are no "worst ones"...
Israel does not want peace... Because it will mean that they have to hand back occupied territory!
How about you tell me what the arab muslims have been saying about no Israel, No Jews, no talks, no peace etc.
No Phoney... Don't just try switching away from your BS post!
You are proven again to be full of **it Phoney...
Netanyahu has clearly stated No Palestine... So, who is the one who doesn't want peace?
Or do you deny that?
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Unfortunately Israel leaving Gaza is not a real two state solution is it...
That was Israel pulling out of territory that does not belong to them... As Israel needs to pull out of all occupied territory.
There can then be proper discussions on a two state solution.
Read Oslo and see what the first steps were towards a lasting peace, then get back and explain what the arab muslims did towards promoting that lasting peace. There were a lot of Jews that owned land and property in gaza so you cant say that it did not belong to them. Israel will when the Palestinians agree peace terms and mutual borders as set down in the Geneva conventions. There can never be discusions on a two state solution while the arab muslims are making illegal demands and trying to force other nations into doing their dirty work for them. Doing so will lead to massive repurcusions for both parties.
I don't doubt that Jews owned land and property in Gaza...
But as I am sure you know, Oslo doesn't just mention Gaza does it.
There can never be a two state solution until occupied territory is unoccupied.
There will never be a two state solution whilst Israel remains right wing.
It is important to remember that it is not only the Arab Muslims who are the 'bad guys' here!
There will never be peace in the region until BOTH parties accept that they BOTH need to make some compromises!
Got news for you. The "occupied territory" is that of the Palestinian squatters on on Israel's land with no deeds or titles whatsoever to the land they stole that they have now been living on for genereations.
Thats not news is it...
Thats just a Zionists viewpoint of what they perceive theirs... Which of course is completely wrong!
Palestinian territories - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
And you reply with the islamonazi viewpoint, which of course is based on LIES and PALLYWOOD PROPAGANDA
No Phoney....
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I don't doubt that Jews owned land and property in Gaza...
But as I am sure you know, Oslo doesn't just mention Gaza does it.
There can never be a two state solution until occupied territory is unoccupied.
There will never be a two state solution whilst Israel remains right wing.
It is important to remember that it is not only the Arab Muslims who are the 'bad guys' here!
There will never be peace in the region until BOTH parties accept that they BOTH need to make some compromises!
Correct
No but gaza was the first step towards a lasting peace
Which the Palestinians don't want as they would lose the money they mooch. But the Geneva conventions say differently and they say the occupation ends once a peace deal is signed.
BULLSHIT
True but they seem to be the worst ones and the ones causing the most trouble.
Correct
BULLSHIT?
Ok Phoney... Like to tell me what Netanyahu has been quoted as saying about No Palestine?
What did the left of center parties have to say about No Palestine?
There are no "worst ones"...
Israel does not want peace... Because it will mean that they have to hand back occupied territory!
No Palestinian state under the present conditions
Israel is prepared to negotiate a peace deal that includes Jews living on Jewish owned land in the west bank
Define Jewish owned land in the West Bank...
If you mean settlers in occupied territory then... It's 'occupied' NOT 'owned'!
Simple land owned by the Jews prior to the mass eviction in 1949 that the Jews had valid land title to. This has been corroborated by the Land Registry in the UK that holds the details from the Mandate period. They show very little actual arab muslim land ownership in Palestine due to them not registering the land because they would need to pay taxes and be subject to conscription.
The land may be occupied in as much as it is under P.A. control, but it is owned by the Jews building the settlements and under International law the P.A. has to provide for their safety. If they refuse then Israel can provide the safety required by the land owners.
And the 'settlers'/'occupiers' should not be there Phoney should they! End of story!
Nice duck.How many came from Egypt?Firstly, there is no way to tell who killed first. Some histories state that Palestinian shepherds were killed by Europeans when their sheep wandered onto Jewish farms. But who killed who first has no bearing.
The aggressors are always those that come from elsewhere to settle land where people, that do not want foreign settlers, are already living. Your crazy notion would deem the Native Americans the aggressors because they may have killed a European before a European killed a Native American.The aggressors are always those that come from elsewhere...
That is a standard principle. If the police are called for a fight at a house who do they haul off? The person who lives there stays. The person from elsewhere gets arrested.
"The aggressors are always those that come from elsewhere.." Right on. Like from Egypt & Jordan. And who said Tinmore is an imbecile?.
How many came from Jordan?
Quite a lot actually, even their leader was not from Palestine.
How is posting factual truth ducking ?
Virtually no Israeli owns any land.Correct
No but gaza was the first step towards a lasting peace
Which the Palestinians don't want as they would lose the money they mooch. But the Geneva conventions say differently and they say the occupation ends once a peace deal is signed.
BULLSHIT
True but they seem to be the worst ones and the ones causing the most trouble.
Correct
BULLSHIT?
Ok Phoney... Like to tell me what Netanyahu has been quoted as saying about No Palestine?
What did the left of center parties have to say about No Palestine?
There are no "worst ones"...
Israel does not want peace... Because it will mean that they have to hand back occupied territory!
No Palestinian state under the present conditions
Israel is prepared to negotiate a peace deal that includes Jews living on Jewish owned land in the west bank
Define Jewish owned land in the West Bank...
If you mean settlers in occupied territory then... It's 'occupied' NOT 'owned'!
Simple land owned by the Jews prior to the mass eviction in 1949 that the Jews had valid land title to. This has been corroborated by the Land Registry in the UK that holds the details from the Mandate period. They show very little actual arab muslim land ownership in Palestine due to them not registering the land because they would need to pay taxes and be subject to conscription.
The land may be occupied in as much as it is under P.A. control, but it is owned by the Jews building the settlements and under International law the P.A. has to provide for their safety. If they refuse then Israel can provide the safety required by the land owners.
Does that mean that they have no right to live there.?
And you can of course prove this from a non partisan source ?
Israeli propagandists have told us a gazillion times that leased the land and therefore had no rights to their country.Virtually no Israeli owns any land.No Palestinian state under the present conditions
Israel is prepared to negotiate a peace deal that includes Jews living on Jewish owned land in the west bank
Define Jewish owned land in the West Bank...
If you mean settlers in occupied territory then... It's 'occupied' NOT 'owned'!
Simple land owned by the Jews prior to the mass eviction in 1949 that the Jews had valid land title to. This has been corroborated by the Land Registry in the UK that holds the details from the Mandate period. They show very little actual arab muslim land ownership in Palestine due to them not registering the land because they would need to pay taxes and be subject to conscription.
The land may be occupied in as much as it is under P.A. control, but it is owned by the Jews building the settlements and under International law the P.A. has to provide for their safety. If they refuse then Israel can provide the safety required by the land owners.
Does that mean that they have no right to live there.?
What the hell is with you and making up garbage like this ?
Well, Israelis do not own any land. It is virtually all leased. Therefor we should apply the same standard.
PROOF OF YOUR CLAIM
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