imawhosure
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So, to understand the theory, both sides have to stop pointing fingers at Hillary, Trump, and anyone else but the Russians.......in this thread only. You can go back to pointing fingers at each other, once you leave this thread!
Ok, got it! Wipe the slate clean for about 4 or 5 minutes, and put your thinking caps on.
So what have we actually learned from the evidence?
Well, that the Russians; through Steele, gave Hillary some bad stuff on Trump.
What else?
That maybe, possibly, or probably, they tried.....or did, give the Trump campaign some bad stuff on Hillary.
When did they do this?
Well, timelines vary on both accounts, we aren't really sure on when Trump was suppose to have gotten the stuff....if he did.....but we know when Hillary did, so we have a pretty good time line on that. So let us say since we really have no data on Trump, that they acquired it about the same time.
When did the Russians hack the DNC?
According to everything I read, sometime in March; so to believe that Trump was in collusion with the Russians, it is no stretch to assume he had taken steps sometime, on or before March, to get the ball rolling.........if we take the supposition of the left, which we will in this instance, as it makes little difference to theory.
So, for the sake of using your heads, regardless of if Trump/Hillary were KNOWINGLY or UNKNOWINGLY involved; you can say yes or no, makes no difference, we now understand that the Russians were doing this stuff no later than March because of the DNC hacks; and more than likely before that.
So now, the theory from BOTH sides is that the other side used the Russians to try and defeat their candidate. Can I have an Amen on that one! They either tried to help Hillary to defeat Trump, or they helped Trump to defeat Hillary, and ALL of this started March 2016, or probably before.
What if we are all so partisan, we are ALL barking up the wrong tree, and not using our heads? What if the REAL objective of Russia, was to defeat Hillary, and weaken Trump so he would lose?
You are saying, "wait, wait Whosure, can't have it both ways; defeat Hillary, and weaken Trump so he would lose, that is impossible!"
Ummmm, no it is not! What if when the Russians started in March, and probably before that, their objective was to get the Democratic nomination for BERNIE, and make Trump lose to him in the general!
Consider---------> what is Bernie by his own definition? Socialist! How close was Bernie to getting the Democratic nomination? Very, very, close..............and in March, without DNC help, Hillary had a high probability of losing to him!
Look back at the Bernie platform on foreign policy, and military policy, just look. If you were Russia, which of these 3 people would you want elected as President.
I honestly think that ALL of us, may be reading the tea leaves all wrong on this, due to partisanship. Yep, we may have screwed the pooch.
I urge you to think! If the Russians were going to get involved at all, would it NOT behoove them to get involved in the primary to get a Socialist the nod at the DNC when he was breathing down Hillarys' neck; especially when by everything good and pure, according to polls the Democratic was going to clobber the Republican in the general?!?!?!?!
Remember what we are all saying to each other in reality---------------> The Russians did research against both candidates starting on or before March of 2016, then gave it to both of them to defeat each other. Does that make any sense at all! To believe such a thing, is to believe that the Russians didn't really care who won.
And so, again; why has this not been thought of? Let me answer that----------->because for anyone to entertain the idea, they have to actually admit that BOTH sides are correct, and that will not happen unless people think outside the box.
Instead of believing that the Russians HELPED the other side, you have to reverse it and understand that their objective was to HURT BOTH candidates in March and forward, so as Bernie would get the DNC nod, and defeat Trump!
If we believe reports, both camps had most all of this information, BEFORE the primaries were over and they won their respective nominations. That is KEY!
Ok, got it! Wipe the slate clean for about 4 or 5 minutes, and put your thinking caps on.
So what have we actually learned from the evidence?
Well, that the Russians; through Steele, gave Hillary some bad stuff on Trump.
What else?
That maybe, possibly, or probably, they tried.....or did, give the Trump campaign some bad stuff on Hillary.
When did they do this?
Well, timelines vary on both accounts, we aren't really sure on when Trump was suppose to have gotten the stuff....if he did.....but we know when Hillary did, so we have a pretty good time line on that. So let us say since we really have no data on Trump, that they acquired it about the same time.
When did the Russians hack the DNC?
According to everything I read, sometime in March; so to believe that Trump was in collusion with the Russians, it is no stretch to assume he had taken steps sometime, on or before March, to get the ball rolling.........if we take the supposition of the left, which we will in this instance, as it makes little difference to theory.
So, for the sake of using your heads, regardless of if Trump/Hillary were KNOWINGLY or UNKNOWINGLY involved; you can say yes or no, makes no difference, we now understand that the Russians were doing this stuff no later than March because of the DNC hacks; and more than likely before that.
So now, the theory from BOTH sides is that the other side used the Russians to try and defeat their candidate. Can I have an Amen on that one! They either tried to help Hillary to defeat Trump, or they helped Trump to defeat Hillary, and ALL of this started March 2016, or probably before.
What if we are all so partisan, we are ALL barking up the wrong tree, and not using our heads? What if the REAL objective of Russia, was to defeat Hillary, and weaken Trump so he would lose?
You are saying, "wait, wait Whosure, can't have it both ways; defeat Hillary, and weaken Trump so he would lose, that is impossible!"
Ummmm, no it is not! What if when the Russians started in March, and probably before that, their objective was to get the Democratic nomination for BERNIE, and make Trump lose to him in the general!
Consider---------> what is Bernie by his own definition? Socialist! How close was Bernie to getting the Democratic nomination? Very, very, close..............and in March, without DNC help, Hillary had a high probability of losing to him!
Look back at the Bernie platform on foreign policy, and military policy, just look. If you were Russia, which of these 3 people would you want elected as President.
I honestly think that ALL of us, may be reading the tea leaves all wrong on this, due to partisanship. Yep, we may have screwed the pooch.
I urge you to think! If the Russians were going to get involved at all, would it NOT behoove them to get involved in the primary to get a Socialist the nod at the DNC when he was breathing down Hillarys' neck; especially when by everything good and pure, according to polls the Democratic was going to clobber the Republican in the general?!?!?!?!
Remember what we are all saying to each other in reality---------------> The Russians did research against both candidates starting on or before March of 2016, then gave it to both of them to defeat each other. Does that make any sense at all! To believe such a thing, is to believe that the Russians didn't really care who won.
And so, again; why has this not been thought of? Let me answer that----------->because for anyone to entertain the idea, they have to actually admit that BOTH sides are correct, and that will not happen unless people think outside the box.
Instead of believing that the Russians HELPED the other side, you have to reverse it and understand that their objective was to HURT BOTH candidates in March and forward, so as Bernie would get the DNC nod, and defeat Trump!
If we believe reports, both camps had most all of this information, BEFORE the primaries were over and they won their respective nominations. That is KEY!
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