NBA Playoffs

[sealybobo]

I'd take Pippen any day over Kyrie.

I wouldn't. Not in today's NBA

Why not? Pippen was one of the best defenders of all time.

whats that worth these days? Hardly any of the great players these days play defense

Thats why there are not that many potential GOAT players.in the league now. Most players are specialists. I can only think of a handful that even play both ways let alone are at superstar level on the defensive side of the ball. Klay, Paul George, Kawhi Leonard, CP3, Westbrook, are the only ones that come to mind. How many players in the league are superstar level on defense and can also get you 20 plus? Lebron can go into lock down mode when he wants to. I'll never forget how he locked down Rose in the playoffs that time.

Dude these last 2 NBA finals lebron arguably played some of the best basketball in the history of the sport. At his oldest age, and at the latest possible point in the season where bodies are worn down, lebron James was a god. He led all players on both teams combined in basically every recorded stat that matters. There's no one else in the history of the sport that has done more for a team than this guy is capable of doing. Michael Jordan is definitely the greatest SCORER ever, but if I'm building an all time team I'm starting with lebron James hands down

I think Jordan would beat lebron. Don't forget we've seen 3 or 4 finals where where lebron lost and looked bad doing it. Remember the year of the cramps? Jordan was 6-0 in NBA finals. Hard to say anyone would beat mj when no one ever did.

So I would pick mj and you lebron. Then I would pick someone who would play tough d on lebron. But you would have no one to stop mj. Like you said he was the greatest scorer.

Lebron passed Kobe magic bird but not mj. Maybe. It's very close. Lebron is the love child of all the great NBA players. Magic & Jordan all in one.

We are watching something special. Let's hope he doesn't have the confidence to now win 3 in a row. Im going back to rooting against him but I mean no disrespect

 

[Asclepias]

I'd take Pippen any day over Kyrie.

I wouldn't. Not in today's NBA

Why not? Pippen was one of the best defenders of all time.

whats that worth these days? Hardly any of the great players these days play defense

Thats why there are not that many potential GOAT players.in the league now. Most players are specialists. I can only think of a handful that even play both ways let alone are at superstar level on the defensive side of the ball. Klay, Paul George, Kawhi Leonard, CP3, Westbrook, are the only ones that come to mind. How many players in the league are superstar level on defense and can also get you 20 plus? Lebron can go into lock down mode when he wants to. I'll never forget how he locked down Rose in the playoffs that time.

Dude these last 2 NBA finals lebron arguably played some of the best basketball in the history of the sport. At his oldest age, and at the latest possible point in the season where bodies are worn down, lebron James was a god. He led all players on both teams combined in basically every recorded stat that matters. There's no one else in the history of the sport that has done more for a team than this guy is capable of doing. Michael Jordan is definitely the greatest SCORER ever, but if I'm building an all time team I'm starting with lebron James hands down

I saw MJ do some things that were simply impossible. Actually some of the stuff Curry does gives me the same feeling even though its different. I'm not ready quite yet to say Lebron is better than MJ. Lets just say MJ is 1A and Lebron is 1B. If someone held a gun to my head and told me to chose I would take MJ.

 

[Asclepias]

Jordan couldn't do jack shit until he had a supporting cast. Lebron James on his own automatically makes any team he goes to whatsoever a conference champion contender and more.

Different era though so you really can never compare.

 

[sealybobo]

I wouldn't. Not in today's NBA

Why not? Pippen was one of the best defenders of all time.

whats that worth these days? Hardly any of the great players these days play defense

Thats why there are not that many potential GOAT players.in the league now. Most players are specialists. I can only think of a handful that even play both ways let alone are at superstar level on the defensive side of the ball. Klay, Paul George, Kawhi Leonard, CP3, Westbrook, are the only ones that come to mind. How many players in the league are superstar level on defense and can also get you 20 plus? Lebron can go into lock down mode when he wants to. I'll never forget how he locked down Rose in the playoffs that time.

Dude these last 2 NBA finals lebron arguably played some of the best basketball in the history of the sport. At his oldest age, and at the latest possible point in the season where bodies are worn down, lebron James was a god. He led all players on both teams combined in basically every recorded stat that matters. There's no one else in the history of the sport that has done more for a team than this guy is capable of doing. Michael Jordan is definitely the greatest SCORER ever, but if I'm building an all time team I'm starting with lebron James hands down

I saw MJ do some things that were simply impossible. Actually some of the stuff Curry does gives me the same feeling even though its different. I'm not ready quite yet to say Lebron is better than MJ. Lets just say MJ is 1A and Lebron is 1B. If someone held a gun to my head and told me to chose I would take MJ.

Even when the bulls would go down 12 in the 4th they'd just turn it on and come right back. The bulls could come back down 8 with less than 2 minutes to go.

But it's not fair we are comparing the bulls with the cavs and were blaming lebron because the cavs aren't as good a team. Not lebrons fault.

 

[Paulie]

Lebron could D up MJ but MJ wouldn't be able to stick with lebron all game long. He would get his skinny ass bowled over.

We're talking about a guy here who can play all 5 positions and still come out all NBA on each one of them. Michael Jordan is never giving you that chase down block.

 

[Papageorgio]

In 1988, Michael Jordan won Defensive Player of the Year while averaging over 37 points a game.

Nine NBA 1st Team All Defensive Team. He could lock down players but was mainly asked to score. They guy could play D and score.

Michael is by far the best player, he played in a more physical era. The question isn't who the best is, Jordan is, it is who second best is.

 

[sealybobo]

Jordan couldn't do jack shit until he had a supporting cast. Lebron James on his own automatically makes any team he goes to whatsoever a conference champion contender and more.

Different era though so you really can never compare.

They did a great piece about this on NPR today. It's basically my dad can beat up your dad. If you grew up watching Jordan then you think he's the goat. If you've only known lebron then you think he's the greatest.

One things for sure we would have loved to see Kobe play Jordan in his prime. Or see lebron play Kobe in his prime. Or lebron vs mj.

 

[Paulie]

In 1988, Michael Jordan won Defensive Player of the Year while averaging over 37 points a game.

Nine NBA 1st Team All Defensive Team. He could lock down players but was mainly asked to score. They guy could play D and score.

Michael is by far the best player, he played in a more physical era. The question isn't who the best is, Jordan is, it is who second best is.

Jordan played in an era where you could have much more contact on defense. So it's not completely fair to judge based on his defense.

Michael was a scorer. Could you ask michael to play the 5? Or the 4? Could be lead his team in blocked shots, rebounds, assists, and points? Did he have the physical build that allowed him to basically man handle any other player in the league? Nobody scored better than Jordan for sure. But I'm sorry man but he falls short of lebron James. You couldn't plug MJ into any team and automatically have a conference champ no matter who else is on the team. You can put lebron on the sixers right now and they're the favorite to win the east just like that. He's not the better choice man. Sorry.

 

[Paulie]

Kobe Bryant is garbage. He didn't win shit until he got help either. He's top 10 at best.

 

[Asclepias]

Jordan couldn't do jack shit until he had a supporting cast. Lebron James on his own automatically makes any team he goes to whatsoever a conference champion contender and more.

Different era though so you really can never compare.

They did a great piece about this on NPR today. It's basically my dad can beat up your dad. If you grew up watching Jordan then you think he's the goat. If you've only known lebron then you think he's the greatest.

One things for sure we would have loved to see Kobe play Jordan in his prime. Or see lebron play Kobe in his prime. Or lebron vs mj.

I got to watch all 3 in their prime. MJ was simply amazing during the time he played. He was something the league has never seen. Kobe was a cheap imitation that I never could get behind. I dont even consider him the 2nd best SG to play. i would take a healthy TMac over Kobe any day of the week. Lebron was another player the NBA had never seen. Think about it. He is he first player in NBA history to live up to his hype before getting into the league. With that sort of expectation weighing on him he stall has rung the bell 3 times and with less talent than anyone else I can think of.

 

[Asclepias]

In 1988, Michael Jordan won Defensive Player of the Year while averaging over 37 points a game.

Nine NBA 1st Team All Defensive Team. He could lock down players but was mainly asked to score. They guy could play D and score.

Michael is by far the best player, he played in a more physical era. The question isn't who the best is, Jordan is, it is who second best is.

MJ was a complete player. He really didnt have any weakness that I can think of and thats why I say he is better than Lebron. Lebron has done more with less but he is too thin skinned. He worries too much about what his critics say.

 

[Papageorgio]

In 1988, Michael Jordan won Defensive Player of the Year while averaging over 37 points a game.

Nine NBA 1st Team All Defensive Team. He could lock down players but was mainly asked to score. They guy could play D and score.

Michael is by far the best player, he played in a more physical era. The question isn't who the best is, Jordan is, it is who second best is.

Jordan played in an era where you could have much more contact on defense. So it's not completely fair to judge based on his defense.

Michael was a scorer. Could you ask michael to play the 5? Or the 4? Could be lead his team in blocked shots, rebounds, assists, and points? Did he have the physical build that allowed him to basically man handle any other player in the league? Nobody scored better than Jordan for sure. But I'm sorry man but he falls short of lebron James. You couldn't plug MJ into any team and automatically have a conference champ no matter who else is on the team. You can put lebron on the sixers right now and they're the favorite to win the east just like that. He's not the better choice man. Sorry.

No need to be sorry, I'd take Jordan all day long. You are the one that brought up defense and Jordan was 1st team for 9 years and DPoY. He could pass, defend, rebound and do whatever he wanted. Lebron isn't my number 2 guy. Russell, Chamberlin and Jabbar are in there.

If Irving hadn't stepped up the Cavs were done. James is good but he needs help.

 

[Paulie]

In 1988, Michael Jordan won Defensive Player of the Year while averaging over 37 points a game.

Nine NBA 1st Team All Defensive Team. He could lock down players but was mainly asked to score. They guy could play D and score.

Michael is by far the best player, he played in a more physical era. The question isn't who the best is, Jordan is, it is who second best is.

MJ was a complete player. He really didnt have any weakness that I can think of and thats why I say he is better than Lebron. Lebron has done more with less but he is too thin skinned. He worries too much about what his critics say.

Off court stuff really had no bearing on this particular discussion about best player though. We're only talking about what goes on between the lines

 

[Asclepias]

In 1988, Michael Jordan won Defensive Player of the Year while averaging over 37 points a game.

Nine NBA 1st Team All Defensive Team. He could lock down players but was mainly asked to score. They guy could play D and score.

Michael is by far the best player, he played in a more physical era. The question isn't who the best is, Jordan is, it is who second best is.

MJ was a complete player. He really didnt have any weakness that I can think of and thats why I say he is better than Lebron. Lebron has done more with less but he is too thin skinned. He worries too much about what his critics say.

Off court stuff really had no bearing on this particular discussion about best player though. We're only talking about what goes on between the lines

Mental toughness. His critics getting in his head affects what he does in between the lines. MJ simply didnt care what people thought when they said he shot too much and would never win a title. He took it and made himself better. You can tell by LBJ's comments he still lets what his critics say bother him a bit. If Lebron had a consistent jumper and more mental toughness I would pick him over MJ.

 

[Paulie]

Bro the guy just led every statistic that matters on either team to bring them back from down 3-1 for the first time EVER, against the winningest team in NBA history..

I'm sure it's totally possible that in future playoff runs the old lebron that had tendsncies to be weak may show his face and they get knocked out, but for right now the man is pretty much God and there just seems to be people who no matter what refuse to accept it

 

[Paulie]

Not saying you personally, but in general. I mean can't the guy just get the recognition he deserves for even just a LITTLE while for what he did this year?

I'll tell you right now, MJ never did what lebron just did. MJ couldn't wear lebrons shoes. The dude plays every position with dominance. And it also appears as though he's finally grown up too, which the rest of the league should be afraid of

 

[Asclepias]

Not saying you personally, but in general. I mean can't the guy just get the recognition he deserves for even just a LITTLE while for what he did this year?

I'll tell you right now, MJ never did what lebron just did. MJ couldn't wear lebrons shoes. The dude plays every position with dominance. And it also appears as though he's finally grown up too, which the rest of the league should be afraid of

Trust me. I have liked Lebrons game from the time I saw him play in HS. I knew he was going to be something special. I watched him grow after that Dallas series where they made him go left and he couldnt take more than 2-3 dribbles before he had to pick up the ball. He came back after working on going left and won a title. I could also tell he was learning how to be mentally tougher but every now and then it crops back up. Like most of us with bad habits it will be a lifetime of work to break it.

 

[sealybobo]

In 1988, Michael Jordan won Defensive Player of the Year while averaging over 37 points a game.

Nine NBA 1st Team All Defensive Team. He could lock down players but was mainly asked to score. They guy could play D and score.

Michael is by far the best player, he played in a more physical era. The question isn't who the best is, Jordan is, it is who second best is.

Jordan played in an era where you could have much more contact on defense. So it's not completely fair to judge based on his defense.

Michael was a scorer. Could you ask michael to play the 5? Or the 4? Could be lead his team in blocked shots, rebounds, assists, and points? Did he have the physical build that allowed him to basically man handle any other player in the league? Nobody scored better than Jordan for sure. But I'm sorry man but he falls short of lebron James. You couldn't plug MJ into any team and automatically have a conference champ no matter who else is on the team. You can put lebron on the sixers right now and they're the favorite to win the east just like that. He's not the better choice man. Sorry.

No need to be sorry, I'd take Jordan all day long. You are the one that brought up defense and Jordan was 1st team for 9 years and DPoY. He could pass, defend, rebound and do whatever he wanted. Lebron isn't my number 2 guy. Russell, Chamberlin and Jabbar are in there.

If Irving hadn't stepped up the Cavs were done. James is good but he needs help.

So did jabbar Chamberland & Jordan. Maybe you are saying they had more of the eye of the tiger than lebron has? I'll tell you what. Lebron may now know how to win. How to step it up. What if lebron wins the next two years? Remember he's still writing his story.

Who did well in the draft? Are the Knicks going to be good with d rose?

 

[sealybobo]

In 1988, Michael Jordan won Defensive Player of the Year while averaging over 37 points a game.

Nine NBA 1st Team All Defensive Team. He could lock down players but was mainly asked to score. They guy could play D and score.

Michael is by far the best player, he played in a more physical era. The question isn't who the best is, Jordan is, it is who second best is.

MJ was a complete player. He really didnt have any weakness that I can think of and thats why I say he is better than Lebron. Lebron has done more with less but he is too thin skinned. He worries too much about what his critics say.

Off court stuff really had no bearing on this particular discussion about best player though. We're only talking about what goes on between the lines

Mental toughness. His critics getting in his head affects what he does in between the lines. MJ simply didnt care what people thought when they said he shot too much and would never win a title. He took it and made himself better. You can tell by LBJ's comments he still lets what his critics say bother him a bit. If Lebron had a consistent jumper and more mental toughness I would pick him over MJ.

Hes a pretty good shooter and that mental toughness may be there next year. And the year after that and that

 

[Papageorgio]

Lebron had back to back 41 point games in a championship series. Jordan AVERAGED 41 points a game for an entire championship series.