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[Daryl Hunt]

It's not in the Constitution. Its in the Declaration of Independence.

We hold these truths to be sacred & undeniable; that all men are created equal & independent, that from that equal creation they derive rights inherent & inalienable, among which are the preservation of life, & liberty, & the pursuit of happiness; ...

Sounds to me like it was meant to mean it for ALL and not just some. Again, who gets to pick who lives or dies, unhappy and without liberty?

The declaration isn't LAW.

The LAW.... otherwise known as The Constitution does not provide an avenue for you to use the government to coerce me into funding your sustenance.

Period. End of mother fucking discussion.

"Giving" you shit TAKEN from anyone else is immoral without the consent of the providing party.

Period.

It is being resisted and resistance to tyranny ALWAYS prevails. Don't like it? Go to euroweenieland where they not only don't resist it, they demand it. The rest of our ancestors left for a damn good reason.

I see. It's YOU that wants to decide who lives and dies.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

If you believe you have a right to services provided by other people you are a parasite and should be thrown out of a helicopter.

And who makes the decision of whom is thrown from that Chopper? Exactly where is the line drawn?

It's supposed to be the Constitution. But that only works if we remember what it's for. We've largely lost that and will largely lose freedom as a result.

It's not in the Constitution. Its in the Declaration of Independence.

We hold these truths to be sacred & undeniable; that all men are created equal & independent, that from that equal creation they derive rights inherent & inalienable, among which are the preservation of life, & liberty, & the pursuit of happiness; ...

Sounds to me like it was meant to mean it for ALL and not just some. Again, who gets to pick who lives or dies, unhappy and without liberty?

Oh, I see. You misread the quote you were responding to. Pete suggested those who want to use government for entitlements be "thrown out of a helicopter". I assumed you were asking, figuratively, how we decided what services government should provide.

If you're actually asking who decides who lives or dies, ultimately it's whoever is paying for it. If we set it up so that government is paying for our health care, government will make that call (ie "death panels"). Otherwise, it's up to the individual in question to arrange financing for their own health care.

I see. If a person has the funding to do so then that's good. If they don't then we condemn them to die. Sounds like a defacto death panel.

 

[dblack]

If you believe you have a right to services provided by other people you are a parasite and should be thrown out of a helicopter.

And who makes the decision of whom is thrown from that Chopper? Exactly where is the line drawn?

It's supposed to be the Constitution. But that only works if we remember what it's for. We've largely lost that and will largely lose freedom as a result.

It's not in the Constitution. Its in the Declaration of Independence.

We hold these truths to be sacred & undeniable; that all men are created equal & independent, that from that equal creation they derive rights inherent & inalienable, among which are the preservation of life, & liberty, & the pursuit of happiness; ...

Sounds to me like it was meant to mean it for ALL and not just some. Again, who gets to pick who lives or dies, unhappy and without liberty?

Oh, I see. You misread the quote you were responding to. Pete suggested those who want to use government for entitlements be "thrown out of a helicopter". I assumed you were asking, figuratively, how we decided what services government should provide.

If you're actually asking who decides who lives or dies, ultimately it's whoever is paying for it. If we set it up so that government is paying for our health care, government will make that call (ie "death panels"). Otherwise, it's up to the individual in question to arrange financing for their own health care.

I see. If a person has the funding to do so then that's good. If they don't then we condemn them to die. Sounds like a defacto death panel.

? That's quite a leap. How did you land there?

The term 'death panel' refers to decisions being taken out of the hands of individuals and, instead, making them with government. I know you want to equate insurance companies with the government, but they're radically different. Insurance companies can't force you to buy their product. If you don't like what insurance companies are selling, you can refuse to do business with them. If you don't like government policy, too bad. Fight it, and you go down in flames.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

And who makes the decision of whom is thrown from that Chopper? Exactly where is the line drawn?

It's supposed to be the Constitution. But that only works if we remember what it's for. We've largely lost that and will largely lose freedom as a result.

It's not in the Constitution. Its in the Declaration of Independence.

We hold these truths to be sacred & undeniable; that all men are created equal & independent, that from that equal creation they derive rights inherent & inalienable, among which are the preservation of life, & liberty, & the pursuit of happiness; ...

Sounds to me like it was meant to mean it for ALL and not just some. Again, who gets to pick who lives or dies, unhappy and without liberty?

Oh, I see. You misread the quote you were responding to. Pete suggested those who want to use government for entitlements be "thrown out of a helicopter". I assumed you were asking, figuratively, how we decided what services government should provide.

If you're actually asking who decides who lives or dies, ultimately it's whoever is paying for it. If we set it up so that government is paying for our health care, government will make that call (ie "death panels"). Otherwise, it's up to the individual in question to arrange financing for their own health care.

I see. If a person has the funding to do so then that's good. If they don't then we condemn them to die. Sounds like a defacto death panel.

? That's quite a leap. How did you land there?

The term 'death panel' refers to decisions being taken out of the hands of individuals and, instead, making them with government. I know you want to equate insurance companies with the government, but they're radically different. Insurance companies can't force you to buy their product. If you don't like what insurance companies are selling, you can refuse to do business with them. If you don't like government policy, too bad. Fight it, and you go down in flames.

Now, take out the Insurance Companies and HMOs. That saves billions each year. Then we go after the Drug Companies that have jacked up the cost of medicine beyond belief. There goes another few billion a year. Go after the people that supply the equipment for Doctors. There goes another few billion a year.

Take the savings and pass it on to both the people and doctors and hospitals. In order to do this you will have to nationalize medical to some degree. Or at least regulate it heavily.

Otherwise, without some kind of program, the poor are sent home to die and the rich make out like the bandits they are.

 

[HenryBHough]

Take away enough from enough providers and you soon have only government left to do drug research, manufacture medicines, run hospitals and draft promising students forcing them to become doctors. But first you need to build a wall to keep them from defecting.

 

[Pete7469]

I see. It's YOU that wants to decide who lives and dies.

Try and steal my shit, it will still be you who decides your fate.

 

[Pete7469]

I see. If a person has the funding to do so then that's good. If they don't then we condemn them to die. Sounds like a defacto death panel.

Bullshit.

People are plenty charitable.

That doesn't mean you're ENTITLED to shit, so you best not subsist on a diet of doritoes and beer.

If you do, yeah, you'll die.

That's your fault not anyone else's. You still have some responsibility to maintain your own health dipshit. That's the way it is with you bed wetters though. If someone expresses displeasure with their tax rates to fund programs they earn to much to qualify for while oxygen thieves like you absorb resources intended for people who need help and deserve it. Then you pretend it's the extreme "you just want people to die".

How about a little fucking efficient spending and throwing the loafers out of the safety net?

Of course not, you'd rather use government to steal other people's shit at gun point.

I'd rather use government helicopters to throw parasites like you into the north pacific gyre. It would be a lot more cost effective.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

I see. If a person has the funding to do so then that's good. If they don't then we condemn them to die. Sounds like a defacto death panel.

Bullshit.

People are plenty charitable.

That doesn't mean you're ENTITLED to shit, so you best not subsist on a diet of doritoes and beer.

If you do, yeah, you'll die.

That's your fault not anyone else's. You still have some responsibility to maintain your own health dipshit. That's the way it is with you bed wetters though. If someone expresses displeasure with their tax rates to fund programs they earn to much to qualify for while oxygen thieves like you absorb resources intended for people who need help and deserve it. Then you pretend it's the extreme "you just want people to die".

How about a little fucking efficient spending and throwing the loafers out of the safety net?

Of course not, you'd rather use government to steal other people's shit at gun point.

I'd rather use government helicopters to throw parasites like you into the north pacific gyre. It would be a lot more cost effective.

Do you mean I am an ultra left wing Democrat (socialist) who lives off everyone else? Let's see.

I am a fiscal conservative that believes that the Government should only take what is needed to keep the doors open on important programs. I believe that we need to protect our environment. I believe that EVERYONE deserves quality health care. I believe that we need to get the graft out of office. I believe in quite a bit more. But,most, I believe the first paragraph of the Declaration and the Constitution that was based on it. I believe in the Bill of Rights that the Constitution was based on. I believe that Companies MUST take care of their employees.

You want Corporations to keep running roughshod over their employees including in moving the jobs overseas? You want nationalized health care to work, start building jobs near the epicenter of population. This is one of Trump's promises but he's proven to be a friggin liar. He didn't run for office for Patriotic reasons. He ran to make MORE money for his likes.

BTW, I am a 20+ year USAF Retiree. I paid dearly for my income. I didn't cheat the system. I did a job that you were either too lazy or scared to do. It sounds like it's YOU that is sucking at some type of government tit.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

I see. It's YOU that wants to decide who lives and dies.

Try and steal my shit, it will still be you who decides your fate.

Your fate is going to change drastically. Now, you you wish to show up with that Chopper to throw me out of, empty threats mean nothing. I don't want your "Shit". It's below average. Stop with the Koch Brothers diatribe. I bet you didn't even get your cut of what they keep shelling out to keep people fooled like you are.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Take away enough from enough providers and you soon have only government left to do drug research, manufacture medicines, run hospitals and draft promising students forcing them to become doctors. But first you need to build a wall to keep them from defecting.

Or we can bring back the Hippocratic Oath that most doctors believe.

 

[debbiedowner]

I see. If a person has the funding to do so then that's good. If they don't then we condemn them to die. Sounds like a defacto death panel.

Bullshit.

People are plenty charitable.

That doesn't mean you're ENTITLED to shit, so you best not subsist on a diet of doritoes and beer.

If you do, yeah, you'll die.

That's your fault not anyone else's. You still have some responsibility to maintain your own health dipshit. That's the way it is with you bed wetters though. If someone expresses displeasure with their tax rates to fund programs they earn to much to qualify for while oxygen thieves like you absorb resources intended for people who need help and deserve it. Then you pretend it's the extreme "you just want people to die".

How about a little fucking efficient spending and throwing the loafers out of the safety net?

Of course not, you'd rather use government to steal other people's shit at gun point.

I'd rather use government helicopters to throw parasites like you into the north pacific gyre. It would be a lot more cost effective.

Do you mean I am an ultra left wing Democrat (socialist) who lives off everyone else? Let's see.

I am a fiscal conservative that believes that the Government should only take what is needed to keep the doors open on important programs. I believe that we need to protect our environment. I believe that EVERYONE deserves quality health care. I believe that we need to get the graft out of office. I believe in quite a bit more. But,most, I believe the first paragraph of the Declaration and the Constitution that was based on it. I believe in the Bill of Rights that the Constitution was based on. I believe that Companies MUST take care of their employees.

You want Corporations to keep running roughshod over their employees including in moving the jobs overseas? You want nationalized health care to work, start building jobs near the epicenter of population. This is one of Trump's promises but he's proven to be a friggin liar. He didn't run for office for Patriotic reasons. He ran to make MORE money for his likes.

BTW, I am a 20+ year USAF Retiree. I paid dearly for my income. I didn't cheat the system. I did a job that you were either too lazy or scared to do. It sounds like it's YOU that is sucking at some type of government tit.

In my short time here I have noticed if you don't think exactly like them you are a dem.

 

[Pete7469]

In my short time here I have noticed if you don't think exactly like them you are a dem.

You don't think.

You can't.

That's why you're a dem.

 

[debbiedowner]

In my short time here I have noticed if you don't think exactly like them you are a dem.

You don't think.

You can't.

That's why you're a dem.

Nope never have been, just a critical thinker that very many lack here.

 

[Pete7469]

Do you mean I am an ultra left wing Democrat (socialist) who lives off everyone else? Let's see.

I am a fiscal conservative that believes that the Government should only take what is needed to keep the doors open on important programs. I believe that we need to protect our environment. I believe that EVERYONE deserves quality health care. I believe that we need to get the graft out of office. I believe in quite a bit more. But,most, I believe the first paragraph of the Declaration and the Constitution that was based on it. I believe in the Bill of Rights that the Constitution was based on. I believe that Companies MUST take care of their employees.

You want Corporations to keep running roughshod over their employees including in moving the jobs overseas? You want nationalized health care to work, start building jobs near the epicenter of population. This is one of Trump's promises but he's proven to be a friggin liar. He didn't run for office for Patriotic reasons. He ran to make MORE money for his likes.

BTW, I am a 20+ year USAF Retiree. I paid dearly for my income. I didn't cheat the system. I did a job that you were either too lazy or scared to do. It sounds like it's YOU that is sucking at some type of government tit.

Spare me your life story bed wetter, and don't try and leverage military service to bolster your sniveling regressive babbling. I'm a combat vet. I did my time and got out.

You're a moonbat. They have all that nanny state bullshit in euroweenieland.

 

[Pete7469]

Nope never have been, just a critical thinker that very many lack here.

I love libturds like you....

You get ridiculed by everyone in the room, but you can still storm off in a huff convinced everyone is an idiot except YOU....

You're "educated" right? Got some prestigious degree in "liberal arts" and it makes you a fuckin expert on everything right?

 

[Daryl Hunt]

I see. If a person has the funding to do so then that's good. If they don't then we condemn them to die. Sounds like a defacto death panel.

Bullshit.

People are plenty charitable.

That doesn't mean you're ENTITLED to shit, so you best not subsist on a diet of doritoes and beer.

If you do, yeah, you'll die.

That's your fault not anyone else's. You still have some responsibility to maintain your own health dipshit. That's the way it is with you bed wetters though. If someone expresses displeasure with their tax rates to fund programs they earn to much to qualify for while oxygen thieves like you absorb resources intended for people who need help and deserve it. Then you pretend it's the extreme "you just want people to die".

How about a little fucking efficient spending and throwing the loafers out of the safety net?

Of course not, you'd rather use government to steal other people's shit at gun point.

I'd rather use government helicopters to throw parasites like you into the north pacific gyre. It would be a lot more cost effective.

Do you mean I am an ultra left wing Democrat (socialist) who lives off everyone else? Let's see.

I am a fiscal conservative that believes that the Government should only take what is needed to keep the doors open on important programs. I believe that we need to protect our environment. I believe that EVERYONE deserves quality health care. I believe that we need to get the graft out of office. I believe in quite a bit more. But,most, I believe the first paragraph of the Declaration and the Constitution that was based on it. I believe in the Bill of Rights that the Constitution was based on. I believe that Companies MUST take care of their employees.

You want Corporations to keep running roughshod over their employees including in moving the jobs overseas? You want nationalized health care to work, start building jobs near the epicenter of population. This is one of Trump's promises but he's proven to be a friggin liar. He didn't run for office for Patriotic reasons. He ran to make MORE money for his likes.

BTW, I am a 20+ year USAF Retiree. I paid dearly for my income. I didn't cheat the system. I did a job that you were either too lazy or scared to do. It sounds like it's YOU that is sucking at some type of government tit.

In my short time here I have noticed if you don't think exactly like them you are a dem.

Well said.

 

[debbiedowner]

Do you mean I am an ultra left wing Democrat (socialist) who lives off everyone else? Let's see.

I am a fiscal conservative that believes that the Government should only take what is needed to keep the doors open on important programs. I believe that we need to protect our environment. I believe that EVERYONE deserves quality health care. I believe that we need to get the graft out of office. I believe in quite a bit more. But,most, I believe the first paragraph of the Declaration and the Constitution that was based on it. I believe in the Bill of Rights that the Constitution was based on. I believe that Companies MUST take care of their employees.

You want Corporations to keep running roughshod over their employees including in moving the jobs overseas? You want nationalized health care to work, start building jobs near the epicenter of population. This is one of Trump's promises but he's proven to be a friggin liar. He didn't run for office for Patriotic reasons. He ran to make MORE money for his likes.

BTW, I am a 20+ year USAF Retiree. I paid dearly for my income. I didn't cheat the system. I did a job that you were either too lazy or scared to do. It sounds like it's YOU that is sucking at some type of government tit.

Spare me your life story bed wetter, and don't try and leverage military service to bolster your sniveling regressive babbling. I'm a combat vet. I did my time and got out.

You're a moonbat. They have all that nanny state bullshit in euroweenieland.

I bet the only combat you've ever seen is hand to hand and then it probably slipped off and hit the wall.

 

[debbiedowner]

Nope never have been, just a critical thinker that very many lack here.

I love libturds like you....

You get ridiculed by everyone in the room, but you can still storm off in a huff convinced everyone is an idiot except YOU....

You're "educated" right? Got some prestigious degree in "liberal arts" and it makes you a fuckin expert on everything right?

Why do you ask? You didn't use your supposedly GI bill and went to school? Or they kicked you out when they saw you had hatred issues, alcohol or other problems that you couldn't fit in. Right? Of course I am.