Nationalize Med

[Daryl Hunt]

Time to pick a fight.

The US is the ONLY western democracy without nationalized medicine. The other countries realize that medical care is a right, not a privilege.

Many people are moving towards National Medical. One of the groups that have voiced this is the Doctors. Imagine the billions saved by getting rid of the HMOs and Insurance Companies dealing in Medical benefits that do absolutely nothing except raking in the cash. We are talking billions.

Doctors are having trouble affording their medical offices, equipment, etc.. And it keeps going up. Meanwhile, the HMOs and Insurance Companies are taking a bigger chunk each year.

Nationalize Medicine means that Doctors don't have to afford the office space and equipment. It's paid for by the Billions saved by sending the HMOs and Insurance Companies packing.

One of the worst is the Malpractice law suits. Nationalizing gets rid of that.

It also gets rid of the deductables that are eating many of us alive.

Tag, yer it.

 

[The Irish Ram]

The government has done enough to my soaring premiums. Get the hell out of my healthcare.

 

[Fenton Lum]

The government has done enough to my soaring premiums. Get the hell out of my healthcare.

Nope, that would be your for profit "insurance" industry. Our healthcare costs dwarf those of all other advanced post industrial societies for far shittier outcomes. Widely known, common knowledge outside the din of american corporate state media.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Time to pick a fight.

The US is the ONLY western democracy without nationalized medicine. The other countries realize that medical care is a right, not a privilege.

Many people are moving towards National Medical. One of the groups that have voiced this is the Doctors. Imagine the billions saved by getting rid of the HMOs and Insurance Companies dealing in Medical benefits that do absolutely nothing except raking in the cash. We are talking billions.

Doctors are having trouble affording their medical offices, equipment, etc.. And it keeps going up. Meanwhile, the HMOs and Insurance Companies are taking a bigger chunk each year.

Nationalize Medicine means that Doctors don't have to afford the office space and equipment. It's paid for by the Billions saved by sending the HMOs and Insurance Companies packing.

One of the worst is the Malpractice law suits. Nationalizing gets rid of that.

It also gets rid of the deductables that are eating many of us alive.

Tag, yer it.

Don't wanna.

 

[Fenton Lum]

Time to pick a fight.

The US is the ONLY western democracy without nationalized medicine. The other countries realize that medical care is a right, not a privilege.

Many people are moving towards National Medical. One of the groups that have voiced this is the Doctors. Imagine the billions saved by getting rid of the HMOs and Insurance Companies dealing in Medical benefits that do absolutely nothing except raking in the cash. We are talking billions.

Doctors are having trouble affording their medical offices, equipment, etc.. And it keeps going up. Meanwhile, the HMOs and Insurance Companies are taking a bigger chunk each year.

Nationalize Medicine means that Doctors don't have to afford the office space and equipment. It's paid for by the Billions saved by sending the HMOs and Insurance Companies packing.

One of the worst is the Malpractice law suits. Nationalizing gets rid of that.

It also gets rid of the deductables that are eating many of us alive.

Tag, yer it.

Don't wanna.

You already have son, it just takes from rather than serves the people.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Time to pick a fight.

The US is the ONLY western democracy without nationalized medicine. The other countries realize that medical care is a right, not a privilege.

Many people are moving towards National Medical. One of the groups that have voiced this is the Doctors. Imagine the billions saved by getting rid of the HMOs and Insurance Companies dealing in Medical benefits that do absolutely nothing except raking in the cash. We are talking billions.

Doctors are having trouble affording their medical offices, equipment, etc.. And it keeps going up. Meanwhile, the HMOs and Insurance Companies are taking a bigger chunk each year.

Nationalize Medicine means that Doctors don't have to afford the office space and equipment. It's paid for by the Billions saved by sending the HMOs and Insurance Companies packing.

One of the worst is the Malpractice law suits. Nationalizing gets rid of that.

It also gets rid of the deductables that are eating many of us alive.

Tag, yer it.

The US is the ONLY western democracy without nationalized medicine.

Which is why we still have innovation. Which is why the world comes here for the newest, best care.

The other countries realize that medical care is a right,

The other countries are delusional.

Many people are moving towards National Medical.

Stupid people make stupid moves.

One of the worst is the Malpractice law suits. Nationalizing gets rid of that.

Exactly! You can't sue the government for incompetence, eh comrade?

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Time to pick a fight.

The US is the ONLY western democracy without nationalized medicine. The other countries realize that medical care is a right, not a privilege.

Many people are moving towards National Medical. One of the groups that have voiced this is the Doctors. Imagine the billions saved by getting rid of the HMOs and Insurance Companies dealing in Medical benefits that do absolutely nothing except raking in the cash. We are talking billions.

Doctors are having trouble affording their medical offices, equipment, etc.. And it keeps going up. Meanwhile, the HMOs and Insurance Companies are taking a bigger chunk each year.

Nationalize Medicine means that Doctors don't have to afford the office space and equipment. It's paid for by the Billions saved by sending the HMOs and Insurance Companies packing.

One of the worst is the Malpractice law suits. Nationalizing gets rid of that.

It also gets rid of the deductables that are eating many of us alive.

Tag, yer it.

The federal government has no constitutional authority to nationalize anything.

If you want health care costs to go down, stop using insurance all the time.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

One of the worst is the Malpractice law suits. Nationalizing gets rid of that.

Yay!! So if the government doctor amputates the wrong leg, oh well! Too bad, so sad! Here's a Tic Tac.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The government has done enough to my soaring premiums. Get the hell out of my healthcare.

Nope, that would be your for profit "insurance" industry. Our healthcare costs dwarf those of all other advanced post industrial societies for far shittier outcomes. Widely known, common knowledge outside the din of american corporate state media.

Our healthcare costs dwarf those of all other advanced post industrial societies for far shittier outcomes.

More expensive, obviously, shittier outcomes, LOL!



Go to 10:16 for a typical story about the quality and speed of "free healthcare".

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Time to pick a fight.

The US is the ONLY western democracy without nationalized medicine. The other countries realize that medical care is a right, not a privilege.

Many people are moving towards National Medical. One of the groups that have voiced this is the Doctors. Imagine the billions saved by getting rid of the HMOs and Insurance Companies dealing in Medical benefits that do absolutely nothing except raking in the cash. We are talking billions.

Doctors are having trouble affording their medical offices, equipment, etc.. And it keeps going up. Meanwhile, the HMOs and Insurance Companies are taking a bigger chunk each year.

Nationalize Medicine means that Doctors don't have to afford the office space and equipment. It's paid for by the Billions saved by sending the HMOs and Insurance Companies packing.

One of the worst is the Malpractice law suits. Nationalizing gets rid of that.

It also gets rid of the deductables that are eating many of us alive.

Tag, yer it.

Don't wanna.

You already have son, it just takes from rather than serves the people.

IYHO, I know.

 

[The Irish Ram]

The government has done enough to my soaring premiums. Get the hell out of my healthcare.

Nope, that would be your for profit "insurance" industry. Our healthcare costs dwarf those of all other advanced post industrial societies for far shittier outcomes. Widely known, common knowledge outside the din of american corporate state media.

Nope, that would be Obama. Premiums were fine before Obamacare. And we had the best health care in the world. We have an insurance problem, not a healthcare problem.

 

[DGS49]

"Nationalized" medicine is, as Al Gore might put it, a "risky scheme," that would not work in the U.S.

The key fact to remember is that the countries that have socialized medicine made that choice early on, and formally; the corollary fact is that "Nationalized medicine" is prohibited by the United States Constitution, and thus would require the supermajorities that go into a constitutional amendment, which it could never attain.

The Gub'Mint cannot make something into a "right" unless the said GubMint has the resources to provide it. Check the Thirteenth Amendment, which abolished slavery (of doctors, in this case). Hence, the "right to counsel" is guaranteed by the fact that governments employ attorneys (and contract others). In order to have socialized medicine as a "right," the government would have to employ doctors, nurses, therapists, lab tech's, and so on, and would have to OWN hospitals, clinics, labs, etc., with which to provide that "right." All of this is now provided by the private and quasi-private sector. Thus, there is way too much inertia in the current system. And I haven't even mentioned the hundreds of thousands of people who work in the private health insurance industry who would be rendered immediately and completely worthless, should the said constitutional amendment be passed. In short, it ain't happening.

But take heart, we already have a shining example of American socialized medicine to analyze. It's called the Veteran's Administration health system. The Government owns the hospitals, employs the doctors, and so on. And it is a disaster. Despite having excellent doctors and other personnel, the drawbacks of public sector "production" cannot be avoided. Wait times are criminal, mistakes are endemic, excellence is sporadic, and the cost is monumental. Much, much higher than in the private sector.'

Be careful what you wish for. Had HRC or Bernie been elected, we might be moving in that direction.

 

[debbiedowner]

36 Countries that have better health care systems than U.S.

These Are The 36 Countries That Have Better Healthcare Systems Than The US

We are leading in innovation:

Though The U.S. Is Healthcare's World Leader, Its Innovative Culture Is Threatened

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Using Canada as an example shows that you aren't any smarter than a Canadian Voter. Rather than use the failure, how about using a success as an example. Like Denmark or Sweden.

http://international.ucl.dk/files/2012/08/the_danish_healtcare_system.pdf

This is in Danish and English. Both Denmark and Sweden have a very robust Healthy Care System and is normally free. These are the two places where Citizens of the United States go unlike Canada.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

http://www.denverpost.com/2009/09/03/health-care-in-denmark/
Health care in Denmark – The Denver Post

Health care in Denmark

I’m a U.S. citizen, but I’ve spent most of my adult life in Denmark. The Danish health care system is the nightmare of any anti-government free market believer: a tax-funded state-run universal health care system.

Denmark provides “free” health care to all residents, funded through taxes.

There is an optional private health care sector, but it is tiny compared with the vastly larger public system that is used by most of the population. Users pay for a few procedures, such as fertility treatments (from the third attempt onwards) and non-essential cosmetic surgery, as well as most of their own dental care and a portion of prescription medication.

Apothecaries are privately owned, but doctors” visits and hospitalization, including tests, treatment, follow-up care, and some medication, are fully covered.

The Danish health care system is not cheap. According to OECD’s Health Data 2009, Denmark’s health cost per person, public and private, was $3,512. But in the US the cost is more than double at $7,290!

In addition, Danish health care covers everybody – 100 percent of the population-while in the U.S. fewer than 80 percent of citizens are covered, and often only partially.

So basically the U.S. system costs more than twice as much and still leaves nearly a quarter of the population in the lurch if they need any medical care.

In fact, the U.S. could get universal coverage and still save about 1 trillion dollars per year on health care!

So what makes Danish health care so cheap? It’s not because it’s of poorer quality. According to international surveys, more than 90 percent of Danes are totally satisfied with their health care, and it uses the most advanced methods available anywhere. And per capita there are more hospital beds and doctors than in the U.S.

It’s mainly cheap because it’s a lot simpler to manage. There are no medical insurance companies or lawyers operating for profit, or financial background checks. There are no uninsured, so there is no paperwork if you get sick or injured.

Some proof of identity-citizenship or residence status – is all you need. And Danes are still free to pick their own family doctors, as long as they choose one within their own geographical area, and they have a choice of hospitals and in certain cases can even opt for treatment abroad.

Of course Denmark’s universal health care means a higher overall tax bill and that healthy people are paying for the treatment of sick people through their taxes. But because the system is simpler and less profit-oriented, it ends up being cheaper for everybody.

U.S. health care is the most expensive system on earth and incredibly wasteful. Of course I’m not advocating the wholesale adoption of the Danish or Scandinavian welfare system. Those countries have a radically different social model.

But Denmark and the other Scandinavian countries clearly prove that a government-run system can provide its population with superior care without being inefficient, bloated, or costly.

Stronger state regulations ensure that the money pouring through the system ends up where it’s supposed to: with doctors and health care providers.

The pharmaceutical industry still gets its fair share since medication is still bought on the free market. This rewards innovation.

In the U.S., health care financing is siphoned off by lawyers, administrators, and insurance companies; the cost of lobbying lawmakers and advertising is astronomical.

The U.S. is the only industrialized country in the world that does not support universal health care for its citizens. A greater degree of government involvement in health care might be un-American, but when the American system has abjectly failed, a refusal to look abroad for better models is simply self-defeating.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

The government has done enough to my soaring premiums. Get the hell out of my healthcare.

Nope, that would be your for profit "insurance" industry. Our healthcare costs dwarf those of all other advanced post industrial societies for far shittier outcomes. Widely known, common knowledge outside the din of american corporate state media.

Nope, that would be Obama. Premiums were fine before Obamacare. And we had the best health care in the world. We have an insurance problem, not a healthcare problem.

Yeah, everything was peachy. People dying because they can't get the care they need. You talk about the Democrats would have started death panels. Well, we have a GOP Death Panel without doing a damned thing. Just send them home to die. That is, if they have a home to go to.

 

[dblack]

Time to pick a fight.

The US is the ONLY western democracy without nationalized medicine. The other countries realize that medical care is a right, not a privilege.

Many people are moving towards National Medical. One of the groups that have voiced this is the Doctors. Imagine the billions saved by getting rid of the HMOs and Insurance Companies dealing in Medical benefits that do absolutely nothing except raking in the cash. We are talking billions.

Doctors are having trouble affording their medical offices, equipment, etc.. And it keeps going up. Meanwhile, the HMOs and Insurance Companies are taking a bigger chunk each year.

Nationalize Medicine means that Doctors don't have to afford the office space and equipment. It's paid for by the Billions saved by sending the HMOs and Insurance Companies packing.

One of the worst is the Malpractice law suits. Nationalizing gets rid of that.

It also gets rid of the deductables that are eating many of us alive.

Tag, yer it.

Why not nationalize everything? Why just health care?

 

[Anathema]

Health Care is not a right. Never has been and hopefully never will become one.

It's definitely not a topic for the US Government to be involved in. That can be proven simply by the fact that it's not mentioned anywhere in Article I, Section 8 of the US Constitution. Until the Constitution is amended to add it, the Government has no legitimate powers regarding health care.

The Union I am part of just agreed to a new, 5 year contract. As you can imagine, health care was a major part of negotiations. With the next 3 years we'll be down to only two choices for plans.... a national PPO and a High Deductible plan. Starting next January Management employees will only have the option if the High Deductible plan. No PPO or POS options. Why? Because the ACA and Government interference have driven costs through the roof.

 

[dblack]

Health Care is not a right. Never has been and hopefully never will become one.

It can't "become one".

 

[Anathema]

It can't "become one".

You're correct that it can never become s Natural Right, but it can become a Legal Right.