CDZ Nakba in Arabic Means Catastrophe

[georgephillip]

Every year when Israel celebrates its "independence", its victims mourn their losses:
"Nakba is an Arabic word that means 'catastrophe.' The Nakba was the destruction, expulsion, looting, massacres and incidents of rape of the Palestinian inhabitants of this country.

"It was keeping refugees out by force at the end of the war, in order to establish the Jewish state.

"And it is the ongoing destruction of Palestinian localities, the disregard for the rights of refugees and displaced people, and the prohibition against teaching and commemorating the Nakba in schools and civic groups."
Zochrot

Today a young woman who was raised since the age of six in Ariel, one of the largest illegal West Bank settlements, has just released a documentary detailing Israeli attitudes toward al-Nakba:
"The film’s opening scenes occur in Tel Aviv, on the eve of Israel’s Independence Day.

"People are dancing to live music in Rabin Square and spraying one another with foam while fireworks light up the sky. Meanwhile, at the Zochrot office just off the square, a group of volunteers are preparing to go out with posters to raise awareness of the Nakba Law.

"Passed by the Knesset in 2011, the law grants the government the authority to impose severe financial penalties on any publicly-funded organization that marks Independence Day as a day of mourning."
Film review A documentary explores Israeli attitudes to the Nakba 972 Magazine
The volunteers were ultimately forced by police to cease their educational efforts, claiming they were causing a provocation that amounted to disturbing the peace.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

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I can and will deal out infractions for violating the CDZ rules. This is NOT the Israel Palestine forum, and I'm not going to allow this thread to end up like an IP thread. If you can't play nice, you can't play here.

 

[irosie91]

This is the Clean Debate Zone. If you need a reference as to what that means, see the Rules.

I can and will deal out infractions for violating the CDZ rules. This is NOT the Israel Palestine forum, and I'm not going to allow this thread to end up like an IP thread. If you can't play nice, you can't play here.

what is the Israel Palestine forum like? what is not playing nice here?

 

[theDoctorisIn]

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[irosie91]

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can you provide an example of "insulting" "name calling" or "putting down"---that occured here which instigated your warning?

 

[theDoctorisIn]

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can you provide an example of "insulting" "name calling" or "putting down"---that occured here which instigated your warning?

This is what I will tell you: If you're discussing another poster rather than the topic, it doesn't belong in this thread.

 

[georgephillip]

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can you provide an example of "insulting" "name calling" or "putting down"---that occured here which instigated your warning?

This is what I will tell you: If you're discussing another poster rather than the topic, it doesn't belong in this thread.

Surely you are not implying rosie and I would ever resort to name calling?
"“To understand denial,' explained Tarachansky, 'You need to understand dehumanization. If you look at every place where there was a mass dispossession, there was first a massive campaign of dehumanization.'

"'The Zionists were no different in this sense. It wasn’t the Holocaust survivors who planned the dispossession.'

"'They came into a situation that was pre-determined long before. There’s no way they would have been expelling if they hadn’t planned for it.'”

Film review A documentary explores Israeli attitudes to the Nakba 972 Magazine

 

[irosie91]

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can you provide an example of "insulting" "name calling" or "putting down"---that occured here which instigated your warning?

This is what I will tell you: If you're discussing another poster rather than the topic, it doesn't belong in this thread.

OH----ok just issues but not "the poster" -----I will keep that principle in mind.
----the topic seems to me to be is it MANDATORY that all lands allow any or all people---to publically teach the country in question should be violently destroyed----and that those countries must FUND programs supporting the destruction of the country. I will provide an example. There are hindus remaining in Bangla desh----a few-------more than a million died in the establishment of Bangla desh----
must Bangla Desh fund programs supporting the destruction of Bangla Desh in
favor of a HINDU CONTROLLED united east and west BENGAL?
There are lots of muslims in India-----I do know---from muslims I have known from both Pakistan and India-----that lots of muslims consider the war in 1948 something that should have ended with the destruction of hindus-----Must India
FUND programs in India which mourn the creation of India and seek its destruction in favor of the establishment of a muslim controlled MOGHUL EMPIRE?

In the USA----a question once considered ok was "DO YOU BELONG TO ANY
ORGANIZATION SUPPORTING THE VIOLENT OVERTHROW OF THE USA
GOVERNMENT? <<<< a positive finding would certainly lead to defunding
of such a program and a problem for the person-------Is the USA obliged to fund programs seeking the over-throw of the USA GOVERNMENT? OK???

If I asked---do you support a day of mourning devoted to the catastrophe of
the USA victory ---over the Axis powers in 1945----and the USA funding of
such a program----would that be ok?-----how about a day of mourning for July 4 publically funded?
In the period during 1947 ---1948 the entire jewish population of east Jerusalem
was either killed or expelled-------must the "Palestine state" fund a day of mourning the catastrophe of the Jordanian victory in 1948 in east Jerusalem?
How about a Saudi funded day of mourning for the CATASTROPHE of muhummad's victory in the erstwhile Yathrib-----now called Medina?

 

[irosie91]

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can you provide an example of "insulting" "name calling" or "putting down"---that occured here which instigated your warning?

This is what I will tell you: If you're discussing another poster rather than the topic, it doesn't belong in this thread.

Surely you are not implying rosie and I would ever resort to name calling?
"“To understand denial,' explained Tarachansky, 'You need to understand dehumanization. If you look at every place where there was a mass dispossession, there was first a massive campaign of dehumanization.'

"'The Zionists were no different in this sense. It wasn’t the Holocaust survivors who planned the dispossession.'

"'They came into a situation that was pre-determined long before. There’s no way they would have been expelling if they hadn’t planned for it.'”

Film review A documentary explores Israeli attitudes to the Nakba 972 Magazine

Ok so the expulsion of the more than 2500 year old jewish community of east Jerusalem in 1947 was PLANNED by islamo Nazis--------for how long?
How about the HEBRON genocide? planned for centuries ? How about
the genocide in Aden----1947 ---planned for centuries?

 

[georgephillip]

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can you provide an example of "insulting" "name calling" or "putting down"---that occured here which instigated your warning?

This is what I will tell you: If you're discussing another poster rather than the topic, it doesn't belong in this thread.

Surely you are not implying rosie and I would ever resort to name calling?
"“To understand denial,' explained Tarachansky, 'You need to understand dehumanization. If you look at every place where there was a mass dispossession, there was first a massive campaign of dehumanization.'

"'The Zionists were no different in this sense. It wasn’t the Holocaust survivors who planned the dispossession.'

"'They came into a situation that was pre-determined long before. There’s no way they would have been expelling if they hadn’t planned for it.'”

Film review A documentary explores Israeli attitudes to the Nakba 972 Magazine

Ok so the expulsion of the more than 2500 year old jewish community of east Jerusalem in 1947 was PLANNED by islamo Nazis--------for how long?
How about the HEBRON genocide? planned for centuries ? How about
the genocide in Aden----1947 ---planned for centuries?

"Ok so the expulsion of the more than 2500 year old jewish community of east Jerusalem in 1947 was PLANNED by islamo Nazis--------for how long?
How about the HEBRON genocide? planned for centuries ? How about
the genocide in Aden----1947 ---planned for centuries?"
Tell us how the level of violence between Jew and Arab in Jerusalem and Aden in 1947 compared with that of 1847, before the Zionist brought "purity of arms" to Palestine?
"During the conflict between Arabs and Jews in Palestine before the war, the criterion of 'purity of arms' was used to distinguish between the respective attitudes of the Irgun and Haganah towards Arabs, with the latter priding itself on its adherence to this principle.[45]

"Generally speaking, this precept requires that 'weapons remain pure [and that] they are employed only in self-defence and [never] against innocent civilians and defenceless people'.[46]

"But if it 'remained a central value in education' it was 'rather vague and intentionally blurred" at the practical level...'

"According to Avi Shlaim, 'purity of arms' is one of the key features of 'the conventional Zionist account or old history' whose 'popular-heroic-moralistic version of the 1948 war' is 'taught in Israeli schools and used extensively in the quest for legitimacy abroad'.[46]

"Morris adds that '[t]he Israelis' collective memory of fighters characterized by "purity of arms" is also undermined by the evidence of [the dozen case] of rapes committed in conquered towns and villages.'

"According to him, 'after the war, the Israelis tended to hail the 'purity of arms' of its militiamen and soldiers to contrast this with Arab barbarism, which on occasion expressed itself in the mutilation of captured Jewish corpses.' According to him, 'this reinforced the Israelis' positive self-image and helped them 'sell' the new state abroad and (...) demonized the enemy'.[1]"
Killings and massacres during the 1948 Palestine war - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

 

[irosie91]

Georgie----your argument is actually ---ludicrous----you cited the pogrom in Aden---
as if it were part of an ongoing war-----between two hostile nations. Doing so is
something like insisting that the Ku Klux Klan lynched little black boys for
"winking" at white girls as part of an ONGOING WAR-----between blacks and whites in which aggressive blacks had been raping white girls for centuries.

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[Delta4Embassy]

Every year when Israel celebrates its "independence", its victims mourn their losses:
"Nakba is an Arabic word that means 'catastrophe.' The Nakba was the destruction, expulsion, looting, massacres and incidents of rape of the Palestinian inhabitants of this country.

"It was keeping refugees out by force at the end of the war, in order to establish the Jewish state.

"And it is the ongoing destruction of Palestinian localities, the disregard for the rights of refugees and displaced people, and the prohibition against teaching and commemorating the Nakba in schools and civic groups."
Zochrot

Today a young woman who was raised since the age of six in Ariel, one of the largest illegal West Bank settlements, has just released a documentary detailing Israeli attitudes toward al-Nakba:
"The film’s opening scenes occur in Tel Aviv, on the eve of Israel’s Independence Day.

"People are dancing to live music in Rabin Square and spraying one another with foam while fireworks light up the sky. Meanwhile, at the Zochrot office just off the square, a group of volunteers are preparing to go out with posters to raise awareness of the Nakba Law.

"Passed by the Knesset in 2011, the law grants the government the authority to impose severe financial penalties on any publicly-funded organization that marks Independence Day as a day of mourning."
Film review A documentary explores Israeli attitudes to the Nakba 972 Magazine
The volunteers were ultimately forced by police to cease their educational efforts, claiming they were causing a provocation that amounted to disturbing the peace.

Shouldn't have launched an insurrection against the new state of Israel then huh. Can't take up arms, get your butt's kicked, then whine about loosing. Pleanty of Palestinians became proud Israeli citizens. Only ones whining now are the violent ones.

 

[georgephillip]

"On the night of the Israeli Independence Day, May 5, 2014, some twenty activists commemorated the Nakba in Tel Aviv. Eleonore Merza, who conceived and design it, photographed 14 Israeli Jews, holding in their hands Certificate of acknowledgment of the Nakba, that was produced by New KKL exhibited now at Zochrot..."

"The certificate reads:
I, ………. , acknowledge the Palestinian Nakba for which Israel was responsible in 1948. Destroying 678 Palestinian localities creating more than 700,000 Palestinians refugees.
I know that many KKL parks and forests were established on the ruins of Palestinian villages
On the site of ………………… , for example………………, a Palestinian village, stood until 1948.
Date………….. Signed……………..
*This project has no connection with the KKL - JNF"

http://zochrot.org/en/node/55793

The Jewish state was built on ethnic cleansing, and the process continues today from Jerusalem to Gaza.

 

[irosie91]

"On the night of the Israeli Independence Day, May 5, 2014, some twenty activists commemorated the Nakba in Tel Aviv. Eleonore Merza, who conceived and design it, photographed 14 Israeli Jews, holding in their hands Certificate of acknowledgment of the Nakba, that was produced by New KKL exhibited now at Zochrot..."

"The certificate reads:
I, ………. , acknowledge the Palestinian Nakba for which Israel was responsible in 1948. Destroying 678 Palestinian localities creating more than 700,000 Palestinians refugees.
I know that many KKL parks and forests were established on the ruins of Palestinian villages
On the site of ………………… , for example………………, a Palestinian village, stood until 1948.
Date………….. Signed……………..
*This project has no connection with the KKL - JNF"

http://zochrot.org/en/node/55793

The Jewish state was built on ethnic cleansing, and the process continues today from Jerusalem to Gaza.

The entire country ---Saudi Arabia was built in the raped and dead bodies of jews, chrisitans, Zoroastrians----etc. East Jerusalem ---between 1947 and 1967 was
built on the dead bodies of jews raped and murdered for the glory of the rapist pig muhummad al kanzeer. Georgie----you said nothing Long ago---when I was young (and beautiful----in fact a child) a neighbor who was a german survivor
of the bombing of Berlin 1945-----blamed the RAF and "the Zionists" for all
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[georgephillip]

Every year when Israel celebrates its "independence", its victims mourn their losses:
"Nakba is an Arabic word that means 'catastrophe.' The Nakba was the destruction, expulsion, looting, massacres and incidents of rape of the Palestinian inhabitants of this country.

"It was keeping refugees out by force at the end of the war, in order to establish the Jewish state.

"And it is the ongoing destruction of Palestinian localities, the disregard for the rights of refugees and displaced people, and the prohibition against teaching and commemorating the Nakba in schools and civic groups."
Zochrot

Today a young woman who was raised since the age of six in Ariel, one of the largest illegal West Bank settlements, has just released a documentary detailing Israeli attitudes toward al-Nakba:
"The film’s opening scenes occur in Tel Aviv, on the eve of Israel’s Independence Day.

"People are dancing to live music in Rabin Square and spraying one another with foam while fireworks light up the sky. Meanwhile, at the Zochrot office just off the square, a group of volunteers are preparing to go out with posters to raise awareness of the Nakba Law.

"Passed by the Knesset in 2011, the law grants the government the authority to impose severe financial penalties on any publicly-funded organization that marks Independence Day as a day of mourning."
Film review A documentary explores Israeli attitudes to the Nakba 972 Magazine
The volunteers were ultimately forced by police to cease their educational efforts, claiming they were causing a provocation that amounted to disturbing the peace.

Shouldn't have launched an insurrection against the new state of Israel then huh. Can't take up arms, get your butt's kicked, then whine about loosing. Pleanty of Palestinians became proud Israeli citizens. Only ones whining now are the violent ones.

"Shouldn't have launched an insurrection against the new state of Israel then huh. Can't take up arms, get your butt's kicked, then whine about loosing. Pleanty of Palestinians became proud Israeli citizens. Only ones whining now are the violent ones."
700,000 non-violent Palestinians were ethnically cleansed before during and after the creation of the Jewish state. Not only were Arabs often physically evicted from the homes, businesses, and farms they had occupied for generations, none were allowed to return after hostilities ceased, and their assets were given to Jews from Europe and other Middle Eastern states.

 

[irosie91]

Every year when Israel celebrates its "independence", its victims mourn their losses:
"Nakba is an Arabic word that means 'catastrophe.' The Nakba was the destruction, expulsion, looting, massacres and incidents of rape of the Palestinian inhabitants of this country.

"It was keeping refugees out by force at the end of the war, in order to establish the Jewish state.

"And it is the ongoing destruction of Palestinian localities, the disregard for the rights of refugees and displaced people, and the prohibition against teaching and commemorating the Nakba in schools and civic groups."
Zochrot

Today a young woman who was raised since the age of six in Ariel, one of the largest illegal West Bank settlements, has just released a documentary detailing Israeli attitudes toward al-Nakba:
"The film’s opening scenes occur in Tel Aviv, on the eve of Israel’s Independence Day.

"People are dancing to live music in Rabin Square and spraying one another with foam while fireworks light up the sky. Meanwhile, at the Zochrot office just off the square, a group of volunteers are preparing to go out with posters to raise awareness of the Nakba Law.

"Passed by the Knesset in 2011, the law grants the government the authority to impose severe financial penalties on any publicly-funded organization that marks Independence Day as a day of mourning."
Film review A documentary explores Israeli attitudes to the Nakba 972 Magazine
The volunteers were ultimately forced by police to cease their educational efforts, claiming they were causing a provocation that amounted to disturbing the peace.

Shouldn't have launched an insurrection against the new state of Israel then huh. Can't take up arms, get your butt's kicked, then whine about loosing. Pleanty of Palestinians became proud Israeli citizens. Only ones whining now are the violent ones.

you are confused delta----the attacls. murders. rapes and pillaging against jews
are fully justified over the past 1400 years because DA JOOOOOS are the ENEMEEEEEES OF ISLAAAAAAAAM

 

[irosie91]

Every year when Israel celebrates its "independence", its victims mourn their losses:
"Nakba is an Arabic word that means 'catastrophe.' The Nakba was the destruction, expulsion, looting, massacres and incidents of rape of the Palestinian inhabitants of this country.

"It was keeping refugees out by force at the end of the war, in order to establish the Jewish state.

"And it is the ongoing destruction of Palestinian localities, the disregard for the rights of refugees and displaced people, and the prohibition against teaching and commemorating the Nakba in schools and civic groups."
Zochrot

Today a young woman who was raised since the age of six in Ariel, one of the largest illegal West Bank settlements, has just released a documentary detailing Israeli attitudes toward al-Nakba:
"The film’s opening scenes occur in Tel Aviv, on the eve of Israel’s Independence Day.

"People are dancing to live music in Rabin Square and spraying one another with foam while fireworks light up the sky. Meanwhile, at the Zochrot office just off the square, a group of volunteers are preparing to go out with posters to raise awareness of the Nakba Law.

"Passed by the Knesset in 2011, the law grants the government the authority to impose severe financial penalties on any publicly-funded organization that marks Independence Day as a day of mourning."
Film review A documentary explores Israeli attitudes to the Nakba 972 Magazine
The volunteers were ultimately forced by police to cease their educational efforts, claiming they were causing a provocation that amounted to disturbing the peace.

Shouldn't have launched an insurrection against the new state of Israel then huh. Can't take up arms, get your butt's kicked, then whine about loosing. Pleanty of Palestinians became proud Israeli citizens. Only ones whining now are the violent ones.

"Shouldn't have launched an insurrection against the new state of Israel then huh. Can't take up arms, get your butt's kicked, then whine about loosing. Pleanty of Palestinians became proud Israeli citizens. Only ones whining now are the violent ones."
700,000 non-violent Palestinians were ethnically cleansed before during and after the creation of the Jewish state. Not only were Arabs often physically evicted from the homes, businesses, and farms they had occupied for generations, none were allowed to return after hostilities ceased, and their assets were given to Jews from Europe and other Middle Eastern states.

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[Coyote]

-Nazis like you will be Nazis forever

CDZ, remember?
Please try to stay on topic.

I do not know what CDZ means. I am on topic---

Rosie, this thread was started in the Clean Debate Zone (CDZ) - the rules that pertain to each Zone are located here:USMB Rules and Guidelines US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

In particular, for CDZ:
"Zone 1": Clean Debate Zone (CDZ) / Introduce Yourself (Welcome Threads): Civil discourse is the focus here, regardless of topic matter. Constructive criticism and debate is the tone. No negative repping. No insulting, name calling, or putting down other posters. Consider it a lesson in Civics.

This is the last time there will be a reminder for this thread (this has been posted once before) - any more violations will result in infractions.

 

[georgephillip]

"The Catastrophe in Numbers
More than 700,000 Palestinians either fled their homes or were thrown out in 1947.

"Most thought they were fleeing only temporarily, until hostilities calmed down, or until neighboring countries and the rest of the world came to their aid.

"None of that came to be.

"The resistance Palestinian and Arab armies could mount against Jewish forces was disorganized, tribal, and entirely ineffective.

"Jews could and did systematically uproot a majority of Palestinians from land previously set aside for Arabs in the United Nations' partition plan.

"For years, Israeli historians and official Israeli mythology claimed that most Palestinians left voluntarily. It was also the narrative put forward by Leon Uris' widely popular novel, Exodus, where Uris writes of 'the absolutely documented fact that the Arab leaders wanted their population to leave Palestine as a political issue and a military weapon.'

"That was not the case.

"As Benny Morris and other Israeli historians began to document in the 1980s, from archival sources, more than 60 percent of Palestinians in Israel were systematically and forcibly expelled from 49 villages up and down Israel, while others fled from 62 villages from fear of rumored massacres.

"Most went to the West Bank and Gaza, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan and Egypt.

"Al-Naqba, the catastrophe, takes is root (historically and linguistically) from that uprooting."

What Is al-Naqba or al-Nakba - The Catastrophe

 

[Lipush]

Every year when Israel celebrates its "independence", its victims mourn their losses:
"Nakba is an Arabic word that means 'catastrophe.' The Nakba was the destruction, expulsion, looting, massacres and incidents of rape of the Palestinian inhabitants of this country.

"It was keeping refugees out by force at the end of the war, in order to establish the Jewish state.

"And it is the ongoing destruction of Palestinian localities, the disregard for the rights of refugees and displaced people, and the prohibition against teaching and commemorating the Nakba in schools and civic groups."
Zochrot

Today a young woman who was raised since the age of six in Ariel, one of the largest illegal West Bank settlements, has just released a documentary detailing Israeli attitudes toward al-Nakba:
"The film’s opening scenes occur in Tel Aviv, on the eve of Israel’s Independence Day.

"People are dancing to live music in Rabin Square and spraying one another with foam while fireworks light up the sky. Meanwhile, at the Zochrot office just off the square, a group of volunteers are preparing to go out with posters to raise awareness of the Nakba Law.

"Passed by the Knesset in 2011, the law grants the government the authority to impose severe financial penalties on any publicly-funded organization that marks Independence Day as a day of mourning."
Film review A documentary explores Israeli attitudes to the Nakba 972 Magazine
The volunteers were ultimately forced by police to cease their educational efforts, claiming they were causing a provocation that amounted to disturbing the peace.

so?