Most Brutal Chapters in American History

[Syriusly]

Most Brutal Chapters in our history.

1) Slavery
2) Brutal repression of Native Americans
3) Women's Right to vote
4) Japanese Internment during WWII
5) Nixon's Southern Strategy followed by the Republican descent into a white fascist party
6) Prohibition

#5 is stupidly partisan in what otherwise could be a good discussion.

You left out Jim Crow, and the Chinese Exclusion Act, the Tuskegee experiments.

Women's right to vote- i.e. women's sufferage- is not a 'brutal chapter- but the end of an exclusion that variously excluded blacks and women and non-property owners- I think it was stupid and misguided but not 'brutal'

If we include Prohibition- which I somewhat agree with- then you must include the War on Drugs- since both have had virtually the same deadly effect.

 

[Syriusly]

Disagree on Japanese Internment during WWII.

We were in a State of National Emergency. It was challenged twice
before SCOTUS during the War and prevailed both times.

The side show ruling 40 years later had little bearing on its legality.

It protected the Country and it protected those Japanese Americans
on the West Coast.

Well we can disagree- the Supreme Court was wrong then- and it still ranks with Dredd Scott as among the worst Supreme Court decisions made.

We were in a national emergency- but it was not necessary- and it was illegal. It was driven largely by racism- Hawaii never interned its Japanese Americans and both Hawaii and its Japanese Americans both survived.

 

[basquebromance]

Andrew Jackson is an America hero. that's all i have to say.

 

[rightwinger]

Civil Rights

Civil Rights[/Q

By far, the most brutal chapter in American History was the Civil War. 600,000 people were killed in overthrowing the traitorous Confederacy that was established to preserve slavery

They didn't have to switch

The voters were so outraged over losing Jim Crow that the voters switched

I see it was the voters, not the party, thanks for clearing that up.

Voters switched allegiance to the GOP

Part of the Southern Strategy

Jimmy Carter won the south

Southern Boy
Anomaly

George Wallace won in 68 too

Lol remind me when a Republican mayor was mayor of Atlanta?


Never

Edit I fuck up only once 1877

Who cares?

 

[rightwinger]

Disagree on Japanese Internment during WWII.

We were in a State of National Emergency. It was challenged twice
before SCOTUS during the War and prevailed both times.

The side show ruling 40 years later had little bearing on its legality.

It protected the Country and it protected those Japanese Americans
on the West Coast.

Well we can disagree- the Supreme Court was wrong then- and it still ranks with Dredd Scott as among the worst Supreme Court decisions made.

We were in a national emergency- but it was not necessary- and it was illegal. It was driven largely by racism- Hawaii never interned its Japanese Americans and both Hawaii and its Japanese Americans both survived.

In perspective

The Japs were evil, enemies of the state who attacked Pearl Harbor
In racist United States, they were not treated that badly

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

In terms of mass murdering brutality of civilians.
1.) Hiroshima, Nagasaki bombings.
2.) Lincoln's Civil War.
3.) Dresden firebombing.
4.) Vietnam War.
5.) Iraq War.
6.) Tehran, Yalta, and Potsdam Conference for the Soviet Union takeover of Central Europe.
7.) Trail of Tears.
8.) The Slave trade

Not even close to reality

You aren't even close to reality.

 

[martybegan]

Most Brutal Chapters in our history.

1) Slavery
2) Brutal repression of Native Americans
3) Women's Right to vote
4) Japanese Internment during WWII
5) Nixon's Southern Strategy followed by the Republican descent into a white fascist party
6) Prohibition

Only 4 was really when we should have known better. Slavery was a worldwide thing, More advanced civilizations have overtaken less advanced throughout history, Women getting voting rights was again a worldwide thing, and #5 is just you trying to be "clever"

As for 6, it was stupid but not brutal.

 

[Unkotare]

Disagree on Japanese Internment during WWII.

We were in a State of National Emergency. It was challenged twice
before SCOTUS during the War and prevailed both times.

The side show ruling 40 years later had little bearing on its legality.

It protected the Country and it protected those Japanese Americans
on the West Coast.

Well we can disagree- the Supreme Court was wrong then- and it still ranks with Dredd Scott as among the worst Supreme Court decisions made.

We were in a national emergency- but it was not necessary- and it was illegal. It was driven largely by racism- Hawaii never interned its Japanese Americans and both Hawaii and its Japanese Americans both survived.

In perspective

The Japs [sic] were evil, enemies of the state who attacked Pearl Harbor
In racist United States, they were not treated that badly

US citizens of Japanese descent did NOT attack Pearl Harbor, genius.

 

[Unkotare]

Disagree on Japanese Internment during WWII.

We were in a State of National Emergency. It was challenged twice
before SCOTUS during the War and prevailed both times.

The side show ruling 40 years later had little bearing on its legality.

It protected the Country and it protected those Japanese Americans
on the West Coast.

Bullshit

How do you figure?
Japanese-American Internment [ushistory.org]

The second your ass is thrown into a concentration camp you’ll figure.

 

[rightwinger]

Disagree on Japanese Internment during WWII.

We were in a State of National Emergency. It was challenged twice
before SCOTUS during the War and prevailed both times.

The side show ruling 40 years later had little bearing on its legality.

It protected the Country and it protected those Japanese Americans
on the West Coast.

Well we can disagree- the Supreme Court was wrong then- and it still ranks with Dredd Scott as among the worst Supreme Court decisions made.

We were in a national emergency- but it was not necessary- and it was illegal. It was driven largely by racism- Hawaii never interned its Japanese Americans and both Hawaii and its Japanese Americans both survived.

In perspective

The Japs [sic] were evil, enemies of the state who attacked Pearl Harbor
In racist United States, they were not treated that badly

US citizens of Japanese descent did NOT attack Pearl Harbor, genius.

1942 we were a racist nation
Blacks were lynched , Jim Crow ruled ...all minorities were discriminated against

The world was on fire, Germany was pillaging the Soviet Union, Japan was raping China and Korea. Europe was turning on the Jews

In the context of the times......that shit happened

 

[Unkotare]

Disagree on Japanese Internment during WWII.

We were in a State of National Emergency. It was challenged twice
before SCOTUS during the War and prevailed both times.

The side show ruling 40 years later had little bearing on its legality.

It protected the Country and it protected those Japanese Americans
on the West Coast.

Well we can disagree- the Supreme Court was wrong then- and it still ranks with Dredd Scott as among the worst Supreme Court decisions made.

We were in a national emergency- but it was not necessary- and it was illegal. It was driven largely by racism- Hawaii never interned its Japanese Americans and both Hawaii and its Japanese Americans both survived.

In perspective

The Japs [sic] were evil, enemies of the state who attacked Pearl Harbor
In racist United States, they were not treated that badly

US citizens of Japanese descent did NOT attack Pearl Harbor, genius.

1942 we were a racist nation
Blacks were lynched , Jim Crow ruled ...all minorities were discriminated against

The world was on fire, Germany was pillaging the Soviet Union, Japan was raping China and Korea. Europe was turning on the Jews

In the context of the times......that shit happened

So, it’s ok?

 

[Preacher]

Most Brutal Chapters in our history.

1) Slavery
2) Brutal repression of Native Americans
3) Women's Right to vote
4) Japanese Internment during WWII
5) Nixon's Southern Strategy followed by the Republican descent into a white fascist party
6) Prohibition

You do know it wasn't just Japanese that were detained right? Italians and Germans that were US Citizens were also detained and thrown in camps.

 

[Syriusly]

Disagree on Japanese Internment during WWII.

We were in a State of National Emergency. It was challenged twice
before SCOTUS during the War and prevailed both times.

The side show ruling 40 years later had little bearing on its legality.

It protected the Country and it protected those Japanese Americans
on the West Coast.

Well we can disagree- the Supreme Court was wrong then- and it still ranks with Dredd Scott as among the worst Supreme Court decisions made.

We were in a national emergency- but it was not necessary- and it was illegal. It was driven largely by racism- Hawaii never interned its Japanese Americans and both Hawaii and its Japanese Americans both survived.

In perspective

The Japs were evil, enemies of the state who attacked Pearl Harbor
In racist United States, they were not treated that badly

Japanese were enemies of the state.

Japanese Americans were U.S. citizens whose ancestors came from Japan- and were Americans- not enemies of the state.

Like slavery, Jim Crow and the destruction of the American Indians- it is one of the great mistakes of America.

 

[Syriusly]

Most Brutal Chapters in our history.

1) Slavery
2) Brutal repression of Native Americans
3) Women's Right to vote
4) Japanese Internment during WWII
5) Nixon's Southern Strategy followed by the Republican descent into a white fascist party
6) Prohibition

You do know it wasn't just Japanese that were detained right? Italians and Germans that were US Citizens were also detained and thrown in camps.

Yes and no- there was never a wholesale internment of Italian and German Americans like there was of Japanese Americans. Essentially for them it was only when there was some cause for suspicion.

 

[Syriusly]

In terms of mass murdering brutality of civilians.
1.) Hiroshima, Nagasaki bombings.
2.) Lincoln's Civil War.

3.) Dresden firebombing.
4.) Vietnam War.
5.) Iraq War.
6.) Tehran, Yalta, and Potsdam Conference for the Soviet Union takeover of Central Europe.
7.) Trail of Tears.
8.) The Slave trade

/——/ DemocRATS started the Civil War and Republican Lincoln ended it

Actually white Conservative Southern Christian males started the Civil War.
Progressive Republican Lincoln ended it.

 

[Syriusly]

In terms of mass murdering brutality of civilians.
1.) Hiroshima, Nagasaki bombings.
2.) Lincoln's Civil War.
3.) Dresden firebombing.
4.) Vietnam War.
5.) Iraq War.
6.) Tehran, Yalta, and Potsdam Conference for the Soviet Union takeover of Central Europe.
7.) Trail of Tears.
8.) The Slave trade

The slave trade is on Islam.

Because of course there was no slave trade by Christians in America......

 

[Preacher]

Most Brutal Chapters in our history.

1) Slavery
2) Brutal repression of Native Americans
3) Women's Right to vote
4) Japanese Internment during WWII
5) Nixon's Southern Strategy followed by the Republican descent into a white fascist party
6) Prohibition

You do know it wasn't just Japanese that were detained right? Italians and Germans that were US Citizens were also detained and thrown in camps.

Yes and no- there was never a wholesale internment of Italian and German Americans like there was of Japanese Americans. Essentially for them it was only when there was some cause for suspicion.

During World War II, the U.S. Saw Italian-Americans as a Threat to Homeland Security | History | Smithsonian
Internment of German Americans - Wikipedia

Over 10k Italians and 11k Germans. Maybe not as bad as the Japanese but still bad all the same. Its odd how its NEVER talked about in schools though.

 

[tyroneweaver]

Most Brutal Chapters in our history.

1) Slavery
2) Brutal repression of Native Americans
3) Women's Right to vote
4) Japanese Internment during WWII
5) Nixon's Southern Strategy followed by the Republican descent into a white fascist party
6) Prohibition

Why are the Mormons in Salt Lake City?

 

[DJT for Life]

Disagree on Japanese Internment during WWII.

We were in a State of National Emergency. It was challenged twice
before SCOTUS during the War and prevailed both times.

The side show ruling 40 years later had little bearing on its legality.

It protected the Country and it protected those Japanese Americans
on the West Coast.

Well we can disagree- the Supreme Court was wrong then- and it still ranks with Dredd Scott as among the worst Supreme Court decisions made.

We were in a national emergency- but it was not necessary- and it was illegal. It was driven largely by racism- Hawaii never interned its Japanese Americans and both Hawaii and its Japanese Americans both survived.

Hawaii was under martial law during the war

 

[Syriusly]

Disagree on Japanese Internment during WWII.

We were in a State of National Emergency. It was challenged twice
before SCOTUS during the War and prevailed both times.

The side show ruling 40 years later had little bearing on its legality.

It protected the Country and it protected those Japanese Americans
on the West Coast.

Well we can disagree- the Supreme Court was wrong then- and it still ranks with Dredd Scott as among the worst Supreme Court decisions made.

We were in a national emergency- but it was not necessary- and it was illegal. It was driven largely by racism- Hawaii never interned its Japanese Americans and both Hawaii and its Japanese Americans both survived.

Hawaii was under martial law during the war

And? In Hawaii the only Japanese Americans interned were ones suspected of treason.
In California and the West Coast virtually all Japanese Americans were.