Modern Governance Theory

[NYcarbineer]

Modern governance theory boils down to this calculation:

Good intentions plus coercion equals solution.


9. "....Churchill hated and feared war all his life. ...[But] he was possessed of the knowledge of the nature of the human being—the fact that we are made in God’s image to confront the eternal questions from inside a mortal body, and that our rights to our property and our rights to conscience and religious liberty are aspects of the two parts that integrate to make the human being.


Churchill thought the human being was a thing produced by nature and by God and that no man, not even Adolf Hitler with his vast divisions, could ever conquer that.

He fought for that belief. I think we are going to have to fight for it too."
Property Rights and Religious Liberty






"....our rights to our property and our rights to conscience and religious liberty...."

Hopefully, one hears the echo of Churchill's words when one sees bakers forced to bake a cake that infracts their conscience, or nuns who are ordered to provide birth control....


Such is the atrocity of modern governance.

Churchill was an early adherent to modern day liberalism.

 

[PoliticalChic]

10. "If the French revolution was the end of monarchy and aristocratic privilege and the emergence of the common man and democratic rights, it was also the beginnings of modern totalitarian government and large-scale executions of "enemies of the People" by impersonal government entities (Robespierre's "Committee of Public Safety").
This legacy would not reach its fullest bloom until the tragic arrival of the German Nazis and Soviet and Chinese communists of the 20th century."
French Revolution - Robespierre, and the Legacy of the Reign of Terror


And that French Revolution, which gave rise to Nazism and Communism, was an attempt to replace religion with science and reason.....


a. " Churchill is the only one to witness this attempt to apply modern science to human affairs—an attempt that entails a massive increase in state power and is accompanied by the understanding that to make everything better, we are going to have to control everything about the human being.

And for one thing that means replacing religion with science, which is why Marx excoriates religion as the opium of the people—opium in the sense that it teaches the masses to abide their pain rather than do something about it, to put off to the next world a gratification that is possible in this one."
Property Rights and Religious Liberty



Modern governance.....the unfulfillable promise to create a Utopia here on earth.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Modern governance theory boils down to this calculation:

Good intentions plus coercion equals solution.


9. "....Churchill hated and feared war all his life. ...[But] he was possessed of the knowledge of the nature of the human being—the fact that we are made in God’s image to confront the eternal questions from inside a mortal body, and that our rights to our property and our rights to conscience and religious liberty are aspects of the two parts that integrate to make the human being.


Churchill thought the human being was a thing produced by nature and by God and that no man, not even Adolf Hitler with his vast divisions, could ever conquer that.

He fought for that belief. I think we are going to have to fight for it too."
Property Rights and Religious Liberty






"....our rights to our property and our rights to conscience and religious liberty...."

Hopefully, one hears the echo of Churchill's words when one sees bakers forced to bake a cake that infracts their conscience, or nuns who are ordered to provide birth control....


Such is the atrocity of modern governance.

"....our rights to our property and our rights to conscience and religious liberty...."

Hopefully, one hears the echo of Churchill's words when one sees bakers forced to bake a cake that infracts their conscience, or nuns who are ordered to provide birth control....


Such is the atrocity of modern governance.

No one in America is forced to bake cakes against their conscience.[/QUOTE]


"No one in America is forced to bake cakes against their conscience."


"Christian bakers fined $135,000 for refusing to make wedding cake for lesbians"
Christian bakers fined $135,000 for refusing to make wedding cake for lesbians | Fox News

 

[Moonglow]

10. "If the French revolution was the end of monarchy and aristocratic privilege and the emergence of the common man and democratic rights, it was also the beginnings of modern totalitarian government and large-scale executions of "enemies of the People" by impersonal government entities (Robespierre's "Committee of Public Safety").
This legacy would not reach its fullest bloom until the tragic arrival of the German Nazis and Soviet and Chinese communists of the 20th century."
French Revolution - Robespierre, and the Legacy of the Reign of Terror


And that French Revolution, which gave rise to Nazism and Communism, was an attempt to replace religion with science and reason.....


a. " Churchill is the only one to witness this attempt to apply modern science to human affairs—an attempt that entails a massive increase in state power and is accompanied by the understanding that to make everything better, we are going to have to control everything about the human being.

And for one thing that means replacing religion with science, which is why Marx excoriates religion as the opium of the people—opium in the sense that it teaches the masses to abide their pain rather than do something about it, to put off to the next world a gratification that is possible in this one."
Property Rights and Religious Liberty



Modern governance.....the unfulfillable promise to create a Utopia here on earth.

The beginning, nope, that stuff started in human history B.C.E.

 

[Moonglow]

So the Mongols during the 11th - 13th A.D. centuries were socialist.....You knew that though, didn't you?

Your style lesson for today:

When one begins with "So...." it means that the sentence following the conjunction is a summary of the post it follows.

Clearly that is not the case with your pretend-sentence.



Try again?

Pretend you shit in one hand and wish it was in the other...

 

[Moonglow]

2. The Founders memorialized a nation based on individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.

Free market liberals at that time believed in no tariffs, yet the USA used tariffs to ward off import trade..

Yes. and now the tariffs are largely gone..
Your point?

He has no point. He merely posts the first thing that enters his empty head.

Gipper is a weiner....(ethnic variation of spelling wiener...)

 

[PoliticalChic]

So the Mongols during the 11th - 13th A.D. centuries were socialist.....You knew that though, didn't you?

Your style lesson for today:

When one begins with "So...." it means that the sentence following the conjunction is a summary of the post it follows.

Clearly that is not the case with your pretend-sentence.



Try again?

Pretend you shit in one hand and wish it was in the other...

Let's pretend that you actually had the intelligence necessary to write the way an adult might.


Well....that might be quite a stretch.

 

[Moonglow]

So the Mongols during the 11th - 13th A.D. centuries were socialist.....You knew that though, didn't you?

Your style lesson for today:

When one begins with "So...." it means that the sentence following the conjunction is a summary of the post it follows.

Clearly that is not the case with your pretend-sentence.



Try again?

Pretend you shit in one hand and wish it was in the other...

Let's pretend that you actually had the intelligence necessary to write the way an adult might.


Well....that might be quite a stretch.

I am trying to keep on a level you understand....

 

[PoliticalChic]

So the Mongols during the 11th - 13th A.D. centuries were socialist.....You knew that though, didn't you?

Your style lesson for today:

When one begins with "So...." it means that the sentence following the conjunction is a summary of the post it follows.

Clearly that is not the case with your pretend-sentence.



Try again?

Pretend you shit in one hand and wish it was in the other...

Let's pretend that you actually had the intelligence necessary to write the way an adult might.


Well....that might be quite a stretch.

I am trying to keep on a level you understand....

I never use the sort of puerile vulgarity that seems clever to you and other third graders.

Let's not pretend that you can even approach my "level."
Upon reading your posts, one would never be led to suspect you had any covert literary leanings.

 

[Dot Com]

You are right....there is Nietzsche in the OP.

I forgot he was included in that sentence.
But...he belongs there.

He is there for this reason:
"The Nazis worshipped Nietzsche as their hero....."
How Philosophy Overcomes Tyranny

Jesus fucking Christ, that essay you cited is written by a raving lunatic. My ISP is probably on some sort of federal watch list now.

Remember what I said about her *cough* "sourcing". Never, EVER, click on it unless you want to be bombarded w/ rw pop-ups from newsmaxx or American Thinker .

 

[Dot Com]

^

Let's pretend that you actually had the intelligence necessary to write the way an adult might.


Well....that might be quite a stretch.

ironic post is ironic

 

[thereisnospoon]

2. The Founders memorialized a nation based on individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.

Free market liberals at that time believed in no tariffs, yet the USA used tariffs to ward off import trade..

Yes. and now the tariffs are largely gone..
Your point?

The Founders are gone too, dimwit. PC lies when she says they supported free markets.

btw, she's cut and pasted that same line 20 times or so, even after having it proven to her that it isn't true.

So what. We have here a system that does the best for the most. And it isn't going to be changed.
That's a fact...

 

[JoeB131]

You a libertarian?

Thats your argument for a sky pixie inducing good behavior as well isn't it PoliSpice? You have to have an overarching power to scare people into doing the right thing You also have to "depend" on said sky pixie into gaining entrance into some invisible kingdom as well

/end thread

You know the Mail Order Bride from Hell is going to just do more of her "University of Phoenix" Rants of mistattributed quotes and mangled philosophy.

She really believes the social conventions to government 6 million agrarian people in a pre-industrial society should really, really still apply to a modern technological state.

 

[Jantje_Smit]

10. "If the French revolution was the end of monarchy and aristocratic privilege and the emergence of the common man and democratic rights, it was also the beginnings of modern totalitarian government and large-scale executions of "enemies of the People" by impersonal government entities (Robespierre's "Committee of Public Safety").
This legacy would not reach its fullest bloom until the tragic arrival of the German Nazis and Soviet and Chinese communists of the 20th century."

Don't forget that evil libruls, progressives, socialists etc. also got their dreams of a totalitarian police state from the French revolution, see FDR and his commies for proof.

You better hope that Bernie doesn't get selected, he'll make Hitler/Stalin/Mao look like amateurs

 

[JoeB131]

10. "If the French revolution was the end of monarchy and aristocratic privilege and the emergence of the common man and democratic rights, it was also the beginnings of modern totalitarian government and large-scale executions of "enemies of the People" by impersonal government entities (Robespierre's "Committee of Public Safety").
This legacy would not reach its fullest bloom until the tragic arrival of the German Nazis and Soviet and Chinese communists of the 20th century."

Don't forget that evil libruls, progressives, socialists etc. also got their dreams of a totalitarian police state from the French revolution, see FDR and his commies for proof.

You better hope that Bernie doesn't get selected, he'll make Hitler/Stalin/Mao look like amateurs

Political Spice doesn't think anyone was mean to anyone until the French Revolution.

What everyone forgets about the guillotine is that it was supposed to be human compared to how the state previously executed people.

 

[Jantje_Smit]

Political Spice doesn't think anyone was mean to anyone until the French Revolution.

Not exactly, it's more that before the French revolution the peasants knew their place and didn't question things like social justice, religion or the outcomes of holy free market. That's also why she's so scared of education, an informed/educated population is a threat to the holy job creators who depend on a stupid, unquestioning workforce.

What everyone forgets about the guillotine is that it was supposed to be human compared to how the state previously executed people.

Yes, but so was the electric chair

 

[PoliticalChic]

10. "If the French revolution was the end of monarchy and aristocratic privilege and the emergence of the common man and democratic rights, it was also the beginnings of modern totalitarian government and large-scale executions of "enemies of the People" by impersonal government entities (Robespierre's "Committee of Public Safety").
This legacy would not reach its fullest bloom until the tragic arrival of the German Nazis and Soviet and Chinese communists of the 20th century."

Don't forget that evil libruls, progressives, socialists etc. also got their dreams of a totalitarian police state from the French revolution, see FDR and his commies for proof.

You better hope that Bernie doesn't get selected, he'll make Hitler/Stalin/Mao look like amateurs

1. "Poll: More Democrats Now Favor Socialism Than Capitalism"
Poll: More Democrats Now Favor Socialism Than Capitalism





Now....let's fill in some of the lacunae in your understanding:

2. Creation of the Progressive Caucus is credited to Bernie Sanders. The groups in the radical network include a) the Congressional Progressive Caucus, b) the Congressional Black Caucus, c) the Populist Caucus, and the d) Progressive Democrats of America.

a. Allied with the above is ACORN, SEIU, and the Institute for Policy Studies

b. And, indirectly, the Center for American Progress and the Apollo Alliance.


3. DSA/USA, the "Democratic Socialists of America" are the U.S. arm of the Socialist International. They share the symbol of the fist holding the rose, and they share the tasks to be accomplished - in our case, an altogether different America. You may verify all this at www.dsausa.org.



4.Michael Harrington, founder of the Democratic Socialists of America, the DSA., knew that infiltration of the Democratic Party was primary, and it already contained all of the progressive elements The Eduard Bernstein Internet Archive Socialism time line. The DSA remains the principle branch of the Socialist International, whose primary goal is global governance under worldwide socialism.

a. The SI boasts it is successor to the First International of Karl Marx, 1864. “Ever since its inception in 1951, the Socialist International has made cosmetic efforts to distance itself from communist socialists.”
Congressional Socialists No Longer in the Marxist Closet 1

and
The Grasp of Socialist International

 

[PoliticalChic]

Political Spice doesn't think anyone was mean to anyone until the French Revolution.

Not exactly, it's more that before the French revolution the peasants knew their place and didn't question things like social justice, religion or the outcomes of holy free market. That's also why she's so scared of education, an informed/educated population is a threat to the holy job creators who depend on a stupid, unquestioning workforce.

What everyone forgets about the guillotine is that it was supposed to be human compared to how the state previously executed people.

Yes, but so was the electric chair

" That's also why she's so scared of education, an informed/educated population..."

Of course, the very opposite is the case.

1. Liberals/Democrats control the education industry...and work assiduously to keep the populace in the dark.

A very solid argument can be made that, while the American Revolution was created by and for ‘classical liberals,’ the French Revolution was by and for what those now called ‘liberals’ or progressives.

1. “The American intellectual class from the mid 19th century onward has disliked liberalism (which originally referred to individualism, private property, and limits on power) precisely because the liberal society has no overarching goal.” http://fff.org/freedom/fd0203c.asp
2. The French Revolution is the godless antithesis of the founding of America.

2. Why does the liberal establishment, the segment that controls the colleges and universities, wish that American students ignore, remain ignorant about, this historically critical event???

Possibly because students might put two and two together and see this pattern:
a) psychopaths like Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Fidel, and Chavez use a mob of rabble to gain power,
b) with the same justification, the same objectives, and the same bloody results. And, might then notice that
c) all were praised in the pages of the New York Times, and
d) all were supported by the Democratic Party.

 

[Agit8r]

1. The premise here is that most modern governance structures are iterations and permutations of the same view of the world....i.e., that there is some version of government control that is necessary and proper to coordinate and control the lives of individuals.
Without government dictates,.....individuals would be lost, hopeless, and unable to survive.



It boils down to this calculation:
Good intentions plus coercion equals the solution.



2. The Founders memorialized a nation based on individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.

Oh, look. You forgot to do your research again:

"We have errors to correct; we have probably had too good an opinion of human nature in forming our confederation. Experience has taught us, that men will not adopt and carry into execution measures the best calculated for their own good, without the intervention of a coercive power. I do not conceive we can exist long as a nation without having lodged some where a power, which will pervade the whole Union in as energetic a manner"
-- George Washington; from letter to John Jay (Aug. 1, 1786)

What sort of sick thrill do you get out of being humiliated?

 

[PoliticalChic]

1. The premise here is that most modern governance structures are iterations and permutations of the same view of the world....i.e., that there is some version of government control that is necessary and proper to coordinate and control the lives of individuals.
Without government dictates,.....individuals would be lost, hopeless, and unable to survive.



It boils down to this calculation:
Good intentions plus coercion equals the solution.



2. The Founders memorialized a nation based on individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.

Oh, look. You forgot to do your research again:

"We have errors to correct; we have probably had too good an opinion of human nature in forming our confederation. Experience has taught us, that men will not adopt and carry into execution measures the best calculated for their own good, without the intervention of a coercive power. I do not conceive we can exist long as a nation without having lodged some where a power, which will pervade the whole Union in as energetic a manner"
-- George Washington; from letter to John Jay (Aug. 1, 1786)

What sort of sick thrill do you get out of being humiliated?

Oooo, look!

You forgot to read the Declaration of Independence and the United States Constitution!





BTW....did you remember to take notes on posts #97 and #98?