Modern Governance Theory

[PoliticalChic]

No matter the variety.....every one of the shameful six....
....socialism, communism, Nazism, Liberalism, Progreessivism, fascism....
...... has the same aim.

In a way you're correct, since their aim is a better life for those included in the program who get with the program. Beyond that I think they all like dogs and children, like Hitler. That's it.

A history lesson for you?
Sure.

a. "Almost immediately after they seized power,Lenin's Bolsheviks inaugurated an endless stream of economic decrees and policies.... resulting in a horrific famine, depopulation of the cities, and an enormous decline in living standards.... Stringent price controls upon and forced requisitioning of agricultural products; state monopoly on grain purchases. Forced labor for civilians as well as the military." Lenin and the First Communist Revolutions VII


b.Government control of private sector activity...is aptly described as Bolshevik- or Marxist, socialist, collectivist, statist, or, for that matter, fascist, too.
Indeed,nationalized health carewas one of the first programs enacted by the Bolsheviks after they seized power in 1917 (Banks, insurance companies and means of communications were also taken over by Soviet authorities immediately. Dziewanowski, "A History of Soviet Russia," p. 107.




"....their aim is a better life for those included in the program who get with the program."

Seems not to be the case.....100 million were slain.

 

[Dovahkiin]

And, of course, modern governance theory relates directly to socialists such as Barack Obama and Bernie Sanders....


4. Winston Churchill saw the dangers confronting humanity in peacetime, in the form of socialism, and in the two great tyrannies of the twentieth century, Nazism and Soviet communism: they were transforming their ability to impose tyrannical rule. Never had anything like them been seen before, and Churchill, correctly, identified them as the same kind of thing and hated them both.



Of course, Churchill was correct. Both sprang from the mind of Karl Marx.

5. "Early socialists publically advocated genocide, in the 19th and 20th centuries. It first appeared in Marx's journal, Rheinishe Zeitung, in January of 1849. When the socialist class war happens, there will be primitive societies in Europe, two stages behind- not even capitalist yet- the Basques, the Bretons, the Scottish Highlanders, the Serbs, and others he calls 'racial trash,' and they will have to be destroyed because, being two stages behind in the class struggle, it will be impossible to bring them up to being revolutionary."
George Watson, Historian, Cambridge University.


a. "The classes and races, too weak to master the new conditions of life, must give way...they must perish in the revolutionary holocaust."
Karl Marx, People's Paper, April 16, 1856, Journal of the History of Idea, 1981


b. "Before Marx, no other European thinker publically advocated racial extermination. He was the first."
George Watson.




c. Some claim that Engels not Marx, wrote the article.

So?

"... look at the result of every "successful" Marxist revolution throughout history to be our guide for what Marxism in application looks like. You will find mass executions are in EVERY CASE of "successful" Marxist revolution without exception.

If we are to assume that mass murder is not an inherent part of Marxism, then it is a remarkable coincidence that so many people across so many nations, and so many decades just happened to "misread Marx" in exactly the same way." Communism Made Easy: Did Marx call for the extermination of ethnic minorities?


No matter the variety.....every one of the shameful six....
....socialism, communism, Nazism, Liberalism, Progreessivism, fascism....
...... has the same aim.

socialists such as Barack Obama and Bernie Sanders....

Obama isn't a socialist. He supports free trade, and he hasn't tried to nationalize anything.

two great tyrannies of the twentieth century, Nazism and Soviet communism

No one disagrees there are bad, in fact, FDR led us against the nazi scum. We dealt with the USSR later.

Both sprang from the mind of Karl Marx.

Nazism did not come from Karl Marx. Don't kid yourself.

Early socialists publically advocated genocide

Some did, sure, many other people from all sides of the spectrum did, what's your point?
And I'm almost 100% sure marx never said what you wrote, engels did.

That's a huge mistake for an unbiased literary historian (though he latter seems to admits the possibility that Engels, and not Marx, wrote it).

Then we have Watson’s claim that Marx (Engels in any case) called for the extermination of whole races in Europe. Of course, if we pick and choose phrases from the article and take them out of context, then it does look like Engels (not Marx) wanted to get rid of other ethnic minorities (and not races). But if we read the whole article, it seems clear that Engels was talking about them in the context of the European Revolution of 1848, on the role that some ethnic minorities played in previous conflicts (as fanatical standard-bearers of counter-revolution and supporters of European monarchies), and on them being taken into account in any future revolution; and not because they were from an ethnic minority or from a different race, as Watson tries to make us believe.

Marx did not call for the extermination of ethnic minorities.

 

[gipper]

2. The Founders memorialized a nation based on individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.

Free market liberals at that time believed in no tariffs, yet the USA used tariffs to ward off import trade..

Yes. and now the tariffs are largely gone..
Your point?

He has no point. He merely posts the first thing that enters his empty head.

 

[Dovahkiin]

No matter the variety.....every one of the shameful six....
....socialism, communism, Nazism, Liberalism, Progreessivism, fascism....
...... has the same aim.

In a way you're correct, since their aim is a better life for those included in the program who get with the program. Beyond that I think they all like dogs and children, like Hitler. That's it.

A history lesson for you?
Sure.

a. "Almost immediately after they seized power,Lenin's Bolsheviks inaugurated an endless stream of economic decrees and policies.... resulting in a horrific famine, depopulation of the cities, and an enormous decline in living standards.... Stringent price controls upon and forced requisitioning of agricultural products; state monopoly on grain purchases. Forced labor for civilians as well as the military." Lenin and the First Communist Revolutions VII


b.Government control of private sector activity...is aptly described as Bolshevik- or Marxist, socialist, collectivist, statist, or, for that matter, fascist, too.
Indeed,nationalized health carewas one of the first programs enacted by the Bolsheviks after they seized power in 1917 (Banks, insurance companies and means of communications were also taken over by Soviet authorities immediately. Dziewanowski, "A History of Soviet Russia," p. 107.




"....their aim is a better life for those included in the program who get with the program."

Seems not to be the case.....100 million were slain.

a. "Almost immediately after they seized power,Lenin's Bolsheviks inaugurated an endless stream of economic decrees and policies.... resulting in a horrific famine, depopulation of the cities, and an enormous decline in living standards.... Stringent price controls upon and forced requisitioning of agricultural products; state monopoly on grain purchases. Forced labor for civilians as well as the military."

How is this related to america? Oh wait, it's not. You believe Obama wants to do what Lenin did, and that's insanity. You're nuts!

 

[PaintMyHouse]

"....their aim is a better life for those included in the program who get with the program."

Seems not to be the case.....100 million were slain.

No system is perfect...

 

[gipper]

To some the idea that government is evil, is absurd. Their minds can't understand this fundamental truth...probably because they have accepted the state's propaganda.

Yet government throughout history has caused more death and suffering than any other thing...and left wing governments lead the way in death and suffering. It is clear that those who dispute this obvious fact, are clearly misinformed and propagandized. How could they not know something so obviously true?

If government is not extremely limited and very strictly controlled, we all suffer...well except for the tiny elite who control government. It can be effectively argued that government is a scheme to enrich and empower a small elite.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

To some the idea that government is evil, is absurd. Their minds can't understand this fundamental truth...probably because they have accepted the state's propaganda.

Yet government throughout history has caused more death and suffering than any other thing...and left wing governments lead the way in death and suffering. It is clear that those who dispute this obvious fact, are clearly misinformed and propagandized. How could they not know something so obviously true?

If government is not extremely limited and very strictly controlled, we all suffer...well except for the tiny elite who control government. It can be effectively argued that government is a scheme to enrich and empower a small elite.

Tell us, is there any nation in the world that has a government you'd approve of, even one?

 

[ZackB]

Nietzsche abhorred tyranny, socialism and even democracy. He was completely and totally for the individual. His work was bastardized posthumously by his anti-Semitic sister. He most certainly DID NOT advocate tyrannical rule, you moron. In fact, very little of his work is political, save for some small amount of aphoristic critique of the politics of the day.

Poly Chick, you are dumber than hell. What happened to that "education" you bragged of yesterday.

 

[Dot Com]

So this thread is not really about what the founders did or didn't do...It's an anti-socialist=Marxism=communism=progressive thread..

Aren't all PoliSpice threads?

 

[ZackB]

The op is fucking ridiculous. PC reads material then funnels it through her puny brain. The material is filtered out by her prejudices and limited intellectual capacity that only a little of it remains in the end, and what remained is tainted with stupidity and ignorance.

 

[Dot Com]

Nietzsche abhorred tyranny, socialism and even democracy. He was completely and totally for the individual. His work was bastardized posthumously by his anti-Semitic sister. He most certainly DID NOT advocate tyrannical rule, you moron. In fact, very little of his work is political, save for some small amount of aphoristic critique of the politics of the day.

Poly Chick, you are dumber than hell. What happened to that "education" you bragged of yesterday.

She has used that tactic before but her posts expose her lack of education. As I said, if, IF,. she has a degree, she was "pushed through" so the institution could get their tuition $$$

 

[PoliticalChic]

And now for the big switcheroo......the huge lie that Liberals/Progressives tell:


6. "Before WW II, the same folks who championed Progressivism, viewed fascism as a noble economic agenda, and praised Mussolini. It was the horrors of the Holocaust that required both the rapid retreat from associations with the term fascism, and the rebranding by John Dewey of progressivism as liberalism.

W.E.B.DuBois suggested that National Socialism seemed an excellent model for economic organization. " http://www.ghi-dc.org/files/publications/bu_supp/supp5/supp5_099.pdf





a. As the horrors of the Holocaust were revealed, the Progressives who had been devotees of Mussolini and Hitler not only found it imperative to beat a hasty retreat...but to now claim that Hitler's views were of the Right and closely aligned with conservatism.



b. 'Liberals claim the center by placing socialism on the left and national socialism on the right, even though Lenin/Stalin and Hitler/other Nazis had much in common as they centralized power and preached hatred.

A more accurate spectrum would place totalitarians of many stripes on the left and defenders of religious, political, and economic freedom on the right.' WORLD | Let's admit who we are | Marvin Olasky | July 17, 2010

 

[PoliticalChic]

To some the idea that government is evil, is absurd. Their minds can't understand this fundamental truth...probably because they have accepted the state's propaganda.

Yet government throughout history has caused more death and suffering than any other thing...and left wing governments lead the way in death and suffering. It is clear that those who dispute this obvious fact, are clearly misinformed and propagandized. How could they not know something so obviously true?

If government is not extremely limited and very strictly controlled, we all suffer...well except for the tiny elite who control government. It can be effectively argued that government is a scheme to enrich and empower a small elite.

Tell us, is there any nation in the world that has a government you'd approve of, even one?

Post #52 includes the answer to your query.

 

[ZackB]

Nietzsche abhorred tyranny, socialism and even democracy. He was completely and totally for the individual. His work was bastardized posthumously by his anti-Semitic sister. He most certainly DID NOT advocate tyrannical rule, you moron. In fact, very little of his work is political, save for some small amount of aphoristic critique of the politics of the day.

Poly Chick, you are dumber than hell. What happened to that "education" you bragged of yesterday.

She has used that tactic before but her posts expose her lack of education. As I said, if, IF,. she has a degree, she was "pushed through" so the institution could get their tuition $$$

Agreed. Intellectually she is sloppy; she is embarrassingly sloppy.

 

[ZackB]

And now for the big switcheroo......the huge lie that Liberals/Progressives tell:


6. "Before WW II, the same folks who championed Progressivism, viewed fascism as a noble economic agenda, and praised Mussolini. It was the horrors of the Holocaust that required both the rapid retreat from associations with the term fascism, and the rebranding by John Dewey of progressivism as liberalism.

W.E.B.DuBois suggested that National Socialism seemed an excellent model for economic organization. " http://www.ghi-dc.org/files/publications/bu_supp/supp5/supp5_099.pdf





a. As the horrors of the Holocaust were revealed, the Progressives who had been devotees of Mussolini and Hitler not only found it imperative to beat a hasty retreat...but to now claim that Hitler's views were of the Right and closely aligned with conservatism.



b. 'Liberals claim the center by placing socialism on the left and national socialism on the right, even though Lenin/Stalin and Hitler/other Nazis had much in common as they centralized power and preached hatred.

A more accurate spectrum would place totalitarians of many stripes on the left and defenders of religious, political, and economic freedom on the right.' WORLD | Let's admit who we are | Marvin Olasky | July 17, 2010

Looks like yet another copyright violation by PC.

Hey PC, copy-and-paste is not an intellectual exercise.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Nietzsche abhorred tyranny, socialism and even democracy. He was completely and totally for the individual. His work was bastardized posthumously by his anti-Semitic sister. He most certainly DID NOT advocate tyrannical rule, you moron. In fact, very little of his work is political, save for some small amount of aphoristic critique of the politics of the day.

Poly Chick, you are dumber than hell. What happened to that "education" you bragged of yesterday.

Your A.D.D. seems to be recurring.....how else to explain why you are unable to show any inaccuracy, error, or mistake in any of my posts.

My posts seem to have quite upset you....truth sometimes has that effect.
Or.....
.....you are still smarting over the spanking I was forced to administer yesterday.


There is probably a medication that might help your condition...speak to your doctor to see if it is right for you.

 

[PoliticalChic]

The op is fucking ridiculous. PC reads material then funnels it through her puny brain. The material is filtered out by her prejudices and limited intellectual capacity that only a little of it remains in the end, and what remained is tainted with stupidity and ignorance.

And there is the vulgarity that gives away your deep wound.

I'd best warn you....more coming your way.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Tell us, PC, would the Founders have respected your rights?

Would you have actually had any?

Would they have even allowed you to be a citizen?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Tell us, PC, would the Founders have respected your rights?

Would you have actually had any?

Would they have even allowed you to be a citizen?

So....you'd like to change the subject?

That means I win again, huh?

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Tell us, PC, would the Founders have respected your rights?

Would you have actually had any?

Would they have even allowed you to be a citizen?

So....you'd like to change the subject?

That means I win again, huh?

If you can't answer those questions, you just ruined your own thread...