Modern Governance Theory

[thereisnospoon]

The Founders have had a uniform for PC, with appropriate "rights".

hey...genius....We have evolved from the patriarchal society....IN fact in many cultures today, though, especially in the Muslim culture, men are still dominant and women are subservient. So much so, women are considered to be mere chattel.
The irony here is you libs have your noses buried in the ass of Islam.
if you don't like the way things are run here, I suggest you find somewhere else to reside.

Muslim countries have had more women presidents than the US has.

Now THAT is bullshit

 

[NYcarbineer]

2. The Founders memorialized a nation based on individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.

Not true.

Yes...they did. The words "individual" "freedom", "liberty" etc are all over the founding documents.
Surely you are not implying the Founders intended the United States operate under a collective or communal system.

The Founders established strong central, federal government under the Constitution with supreme powers over the states AFTER the failed experiment of limited government under the Articles of Confederation.

Oh please. Go ahead, find this and post it here.
Last time I checked the 10th amendment had not yet been repealed.
Why is it you prefer an all encompassing intrusive and oppressive central planning type government?

The 10th Amendment does not grant any powers to the states that are contrary to the supreme law of the land, the Constitution.

Why do I favor a strong central government? Because I don't care for things like segregation.

 

[Moonglow]

The founders also hoarded the right to elect the executive branch...by Congress, which did not give the rest of the US an ability to vote..Now is that equality?

 

[NYcarbineer]

The Founders have had a uniform for PC, with appropriate "rights".

hey...genius....We have evolved from the patriarchal society....IN fact in many cultures today, though, especially in the Muslim culture, men are still dominant and women are subservient. So much so, women are considered to be mere chattel.
The irony here is you libs have your noses buried in the ass of Islam.
if you don't like the way things are run here, I suggest you find somewhere else to reside.

Muslim countries have had more women presidents than the US has.

Now THAT is bullshit

Since we've had none, how many do I need to cite to prove you're mentally retarded?

 

[thereisnospoon]

The Founders have had a uniform for PC, with appropriate "rights".

hey...genius....We have evolved from the patriarchal society....IN fact in many cultures today, though, especially in the Muslim culture, men are still dominant and women are subservient. So much so, women are considered to be mere chattel.
The irony here is you libs have your noses buried in the ass of Islam.
if you don't like the way things are run here, I suggest you find somewhere else to reside.

Prove I have my nose implanted in Islam's azz.....I care for no religion..

I was referring to liberals in general and the methods by which they go out of their way to support Islam, to make excuses for Islamist extremism and terrorist acts....
for crying out loud these people still stone to death women who have been raped. They still use honor killings....Women covered head to toe. Women cannot drive. Cannot vote. Are in many Muslim countries barred from advanced education.

 

[Moonglow]

The Founders have had a uniform for PC, with appropriate "rights".

hey...genius....We have evolved from the patriarchal society....IN fact in many cultures today, though, especially in the Muslim culture, men are still dominant and women are subservient. So much so, women are considered to be mere chattel.
The irony here is you libs have your noses buried in the ass of Islam.
if you don't like the way things are run here, I suggest you find somewhere else to reside.

Prove I have my nose implanted in Islam's azz.....I care for no religion..

I was referring to liberals in general and the methods by which they go out of their way to support Islam, to make excuses for Islamist extremism and terrorist acts....
for crying out loud these people still stone to death women who have been raped. They still use honor killings....Women covered head to toe. Women cannot drive. Cannot vote. Are in many Muslim countries barred from advanced education.

Yes, but it is there country, all we can do is lodge protest.It is up to the people that live there to change, just like the Western world did..

 

[thereisnospoon]

The Founders have had a uniform for PC, with appropriate "rights".

hey...genius....We have evolved from the patriarchal society....IN fact in many cultures today, though, especially in the Muslim culture, men are still dominant and women are subservient. So much so, women are considered to be mere chattel.
The irony here is you libs have your noses buried in the ass of Islam.
if you don't like the way things are run here, I suggest you find somewhere else to reside.

Muslim countries have had more women presidents than the US has.

Now THAT is bullshit

Since we've had none, how many do I need to cite to prove you're mentally retarded?

Ahh typical....Shit for brains. You claimed Muslim countries have female presidents.....I teed it up for you by replying "bullshit"..
Now to any person who has the facts on their side would have posted a list of names.
Instead you decided to revert back to the 4th grade and call me retarded.....

 

[PaintMyHouse]

The Founders weren't Donald Trump, and they weren't saints either. A bunch of men focused on self-governance (if you were a white male elite land-owner) and property rights, the concern of white male elite land-owners (not to mention slaves). Not Trump, not saints, and not Ayn Rand.

There's a reason these precious rights PC goes on and on about (without understanding) are Amendments, passed two years later. They covered their concerns in the Constitution and then threw another bone, like the House of Representatives, to the pitchforks later. It's simple if you think about it, was the Right to Vote in the Constitution, even an Amendment? Nope.

 

[rightwinger]

2. The Founders memorialized a nation based on individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.

Not true.

Conservative revisionist history. Founders built a nation with an economy and government they could afford

There was no "Big Government" in 1782. The economy could not support it

 

[PaintMyHouse]

The Founders have had a uniform for PC, with appropriate "rights".

hey...genius....We have evolved from the patriarchal society....IN fact in many cultures today, though, especially in the Muslim culture, men are still dominant and women are subservient. So much so, women are considered to be mere chattel.
The irony here is you libs have your noses buried in the ass of Islam.
if you don't like the way things are run here, I suggest you find somewhere else to reside.

Muslim countries have had more women presidents than the US has.

Now THAT is bullshit

"The most prominent Muslim female leaders are former prime minister of Pakistan Benazir Bhutto (served 1988-1990 and 1993-1996), Indonesian President Megawati Sukarnoputri (elected 2001), former Turkish Prime Minister Tansu Ciller (served 1993-1995), former Senegalese President Mame Madior Boye (elected 2001), ..."
muslim female leaders - Google Search

 

[Moonglow]

2. The Founders memorialized a nation based on individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.

Not true.

Conservative revisionist history. Founders built a nation with an economy and government they could afford

There was no "Big Government" in 1782. The economy could not support it

And George Washington ruined the military, only having a 10k standing Army and two naval warship..

 

[PoliticalChic]

And, of course, modern governance theory relates directly to socialists such as Barack Obama and Bernie Sanders....


4. Winston Churchill saw the dangers confronting humanity in peacetime, in the form of socialism, and in the two great tyrannies of the twentieth century, Nazism and Soviet communism: they were transforming their ability to impose tyrannical rule. Never had anything like them been seen before, and Churchill, correctly, identified them as the same kind of thing and hated them both.



Of course, Churchill was correct. Both sprang from the mind of Karl Marx.

5. "Early socialists publically advocated genocide, in the 19th and 20th centuries. It first appeared in Marx's journal, Rheinishe Zeitung, in January of 1849. When the socialist class war happens, there will be primitive societies in Europe, two stages behind- not even capitalist yet- the Basques, the Bretons, the Scottish Highlanders, the Serbs, and others he calls 'racial trash,' and they will have to be destroyed because, being two stages behind in the class struggle, it will be impossible to bring them up to being revolutionary."
George Watson, Historian, Cambridge University.


a. "The classes and races, too weak to master the new conditions of life, must give way...they must perish in the revolutionary holocaust."
Karl Marx, People's Paper, April 16, 1856, Journal of the History of Idea, 1981


b. "Before Marx, no other European thinker publically advocated racial extermination. He was the first."
George Watson.




c. Some claim that Engels not Marx, wrote the article.

So?

"... look at the result of every "successful" Marxist revolution throughout history to be our guide for what Marxism in application looks like. You will find mass executions are in EVERY CASE of "successful" Marxist revolution without exception.

If we are to assume that mass murder is not an inherent part of Marxism, then it is a remarkable coincidence that so many people across so many nations, and so many decades just happened to "misread Marx" in exactly the same way." Communism Made Easy: Did Marx call for the extermination of ethnic minorities?


No matter the variety.....every one of the shameful six....
....socialism, communism, Nazism, Liberalism, Progreessivism, fascism....
...... has the same aim.

 

[Moonglow]

So the Mongols during the 11th - 13th A.D. centuries were socialist.....You knew that though, didn't you?

 

[Moonglow]

So this thread is not really about what the founders did or didn't do...It's an anti-socialist=Marxism=communism=progressive thread..

 

[PaintMyHouse]

No matter the variety.....every one of the shameful six....
....socialism, communism, Nazism, Liberalism, Progreessivism, fascism....
...... has the same aim.

In a way you're correct, since their aim is a better life for those included in the program who get with the program. Beyond that I think they all like dogs and children, like Hitler. That's it.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

So this thread is not really about what the founders did or didn't do...It's an anti-socialist=Marxism=communism=progressive thread..

She thinks the Founders, who pledged themselves and their wealth to the fight for self-governance, were strict individualists who cared only about capitalism for the masses, which didn't honestly even exist then, and liberty for all, when they owned people.

 

[Moonglow]

So this thread is not really about what the founders did or didn't do...It's an anti-socialist=Marxism=communism=progressive thread..

She thinks the Founders, who pledged themselves and their wealth to the fight for self-governance, were strict individualists who cared only about capitalism for the masses, which didn't honestly even exist then, and liberty for all, when they owned people.

See has seen the WWII era films...

 

[PoliticalChic]

So the Mongols during the 11th - 13th A.D. centuries were socialist.....You knew that though, didn't you?

Your style lesson for today:

When one begins with "So...." it means that the sentence following the conjunction is a summary of the post it follows.

Clearly that is not the case with your pretend-sentence.



Try again?

 

[Dovahkiin]

1. The premise here is that most modern governance structures are iterations and permutations of the same view of the world....i.e., that there is some version of government control that is necessary and proper to coordinate and control the lives of individuals.
Without government dictates,.....individuals would be lost, hopeless, and unable to survive.



It boils down to this calculation:
Good intentions plus coercion equals the solution.



2. The Founders memorialized a nation based on individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.

In the modern world, politics has morphed into what is largely Germanic thought.....Hegel, Nietzsche, Karl Marx....finding new ways to impose tyrannical rule.


a. The Germans have a history of embracing authoritarian rule. As the German philosopher Hegel said, “The state says … you must obey …. The state has rights against the individual; its members have obligations, among them that of obeying without protest” (Ralf Dahrendorf, Society and Democracy in Germany).


b. And it appears in it's American form, in the attitude of the FDR supporters, as observed in the words ofA.B. “Happy” Chandler, a former Kentucky governor:

"“[A]ll of us owe the government; we owe it for everything we have—and that is the basis of obligation—and the government can take everything we have if the government needs it. . . . The government can assert its right to have all the taxes it needs for any purpose, either now or at any time in the future.
Folsom and Folsom, "FDR Goes To War."




3. Which of the modern totalitarian governance schemes....Communism, Nazism, Progressivism, Socialism, Fascism, or Liberalism.....stands with the view of our Founders, individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government?

Right...none of the shameful six:
Communism, Nazism, Progressivism, Socialism, Fascism, or Liberalism.

.e., that there is some version of government control that is necessary and proper to coordinate and control the lives of individuals.

Some things do need to be "controlled." People shouldn't be able to enslave others, murder others, rape others, run businesses that promote racism, etc, etc.. We've dealt with a lot of this already, the civil rights movement, the wave of progressives in the early 1900's, and thank god for them..

Without government dictates,.....individuals would be lost, hopeless, and unable to survive.

You show me one society without something like a government that has done well. I'll be waiting.

2. The Founders memorialized a nation based on individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.

Which is why we have all of those things.

Germanic thought.....Hegel, Nietzsche, Karl Marx....finding new ways to impose tyrannical rule.

Marx has been dead for many years, communist thought in america has been dead since the days of eugene debs and mccarthyism. Try again. And no, the EITC is not communism.

a. The Germans have a history of embracing authoritarian rule.

Fascinating. This is america though.

Which of the modern totalitarian governance schemes....Communism, Nazism, Progressivism, Socialism, Fascism, or Liberalism

You can't just throw all of these words together and assume they're related. They're not.

 

[PoliticalChic]

So this thread is not really about what the founders did or didn't do...It's an anti-socialist=Marxism=communism=progressive thread..

Let's call it a "pro-American governance" thread.

These are anti-American governance platforms:
"socialist=Marxism=communism=progressive" [ and liberal, nazi, fascist]