LOki
The Yaweh of Mischief
- Mar 26, 2006
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If I wish to accept wages below the level YOU deem proper, upon what moral authority do YOU declare it illegal for me to accept such wages? Upon what moral authority do YOU deny someone else my services? Upon what moral authority do YOU deny me that employment?here's the thing.....they are not Unskilled, I know it makes us with higher positions in life feel better when we say these are just unskilled workers.....but that's simply our own lie to make us justify unliveable wages....We have legal immigration that affects lower end wages.
We have illegal immigrants, in the millions, that affects lower end wages.
We have an over supply of lower end workers, because of the recession we went through and many slightly better paying jobs were eliminated, or the business owners rehired people at minimum wage to fill the jobs...
We have the Affordable Care Act that affects this as well...
and we have Trade Policy over the decades that also has moved higher skilled jobs overseas, leaving these individuals in the market place looking for jobs...
and we have Corporate tax policy that also affects this.....
I am CERTAIN if I had a few more minutes I could list a bunch of other things....
Simply eliminating the minimum wage, or never raising it again, IS NOT THE ANSWER to our problems at this point....and doing such at this point when so many other policies get in the way of the "market" to work freely have to be addressed ALL AT ONCE if we truly think this 'change' is needed.
IT IS NOT simply, If I want to accept a wage lower than minimum wage.....NO ONE WANTS to do this when minimum wage is so low already, BUT THEY WILL out of desperation....that's immoral to put that upon the desperate.
you want to get paid less for babysitting or cleaning a neighbor's house, or mowing his lawn, then go right ahead....
If we have an 'over-supply' of unskilled labor, then logically we would want to make it more affordable to hire unskilled labor. That's an argument to eliminate the minimum wage.
Affordable Care Act, makes hiring unskilled labor more expensive. That's bad for those people.
The value of labor, changes over time. It goes up, and it goes down. Nothing is static.
If the value of the labor declines, because of a recession, then wages must fall. Basic economics.
Trade is inherently a benefit to everyone. No country becomes wealthy following protectionism. The reason jobs moved over seas, is not because of trade. It's because of bad policies driving out jobs in the US.
Corporate Tax policy, does indeed push jobs out of the US.
Would the "desperate" be better off, or worse off, earning zero, over earning a wage? I'd say worse off.
If we raised the minimum wage on baby sitting, or lawn mowing, or cleaning homes, fewer people would be hired to do that, and those people would earn far less, if anything.
They are skilled workers, in what they are needed for....and you couldn't pay me enough to do what some of these min wage workers do.....especially the "care workers" who clean up your grand mother's piss and poop by lifting their bodies, spoon feeding them while not choking them, change their bed sheets, lifting them....and all with a smile and a min wage....
And no way in hell would I want to go back to selling shoes on the sales floor for 8 hours in stilettos, back and forth to the Stockroom to get them their shoes, rerun the shoes they chose not to buy back in to the "wall" in the proper place, organizing the stock, shifting the stock, tightening down the stock in numerical order, unloading new shipments, running them in the proper place in the "Wall", replacing samples on the floor that were sold, dusting and cleaning the sales floor, rearranging the sales floor stock to new schematics.... I can go on and on..... but the bottom line..... I was exhausted and my feet were "barking" at the end of each day.....
That's why I had to get a promotion....My body could not take it any longer and I was a mere teenager....
Every job takes skill and labor...even a janitors job develops skill in what they do......
There is an over supply of workers needing a job, who are over skilled, no fault of their own...And these better workers ARE being hired over the New teen trying to enter the market.... lowering the min wage doesn't put more min wage workers to work.... it would take jobs of those more skilled away....a swap for lower wages, at best.
Upon what moral authority do YOU decide for OTHERS what their work (either offered or performed) is worth?
What is your objection to simply basing a worker's wage upon what that worker's work is worth?