Me: Communism has killed 94 million people...

[Pogo]

Me: Communism has killed 94 million people...

"Communism" is an economic system. It doesn't "kill" anybody.

Armies kill people. Guns and bombs and rockets kill people. Murderers kill people. Economic systems preeeeety much provide a framework for how wealth moves around. That's all they do.

Communism has killed hundred of millions. Yes, it does kill people. Every. Time.

Unfortunately I've already provided an example that directly refutes that.

Don't know if anyone ever let you know this but posting an emotional bullshit point on the internets, doesn't magically recreate history to make that bulllshit point real. All it does is stick your name next to it.

You provided nothing because communism is a system where the state is in complete power and has no respect for human life, hence the murder of hundreds of millions. I can't help that you are delusional and dont know history.

More ungrounded emotional butthurt.

Again, communism is a system, one of many, of how material value is handled within a society. That society does not need to be a "state". If you want to discuss "states" then what you're talking about is government. Communism is not a government; it's an economic structure. Such a structure, whether communally-centered or individually-centered, may be engaged by any societal group that handles its own wealth. It has nothing to do with how a governent OR a societal group might handle "respect for human life" or "murder". You have the onus of connecting that dot, and you can't do it.

This is actually where we started, and you still don't get it.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Me: Communism has killed 94 million people...

"Communism" is an economic system. It doesn't "kill" anybody.

Armies kill people. Guns and bombs and rockets kill people. Murderers kill people. Economic systems preeeeety much provide a framework for how wealth moves around. That's all they do.

Communism has killed hundred of millions. Yes, it does kill people. Every. Time.

Unfortunately I've already provided an example that directly refutes that.

Don't know if anyone ever let you know this but posting an emotional bullshit point on the internets, doesn't magically recreate history to make that bulllshit point real. All it does is stick your name next to it.

You provided nothing because communism is a system where the state is in complete power and has no respect for human life, hence the murder of hundreds of millions. I can't help that you are delusional and dont know history.

More ungrounded emotional butthurt.

Again, communism is a system, one of many, of how material value is handled within a society. That society does not need to be a "state". If you want to discuss "states" then what you're talking about is government. Communism is not a government; it's an economic structure. Such a structure, whether communist or individualist, may be engaged by any societal group that handles its own wealth. It has nothing to do with how a governent OR a societal group might handle "respect for human life" or "murder". You have the onus of connecting that dot, and you can't do it.

This is actually where we started, and you still don't get it.

Every time it has been implemented, hundreds of millions have died because the center is the state and the state has no respect for life. Again, I can't help that you are ignorant and do not know history.

 

[percysunshine]

Pol Pot was a French educated college student before he was a mass murderer.

 

[Aletheia4u]

Communist:friend: That wasn't REAL Communism, try again!

How many people died during the settling of the US? No communism there.

Yes but "Whitness" was sure there.

who invented European style communism?

Some of the more benevolent aspects of Socialist ldealogy was found in the teachings of Jesus Christ more than 2000 years before
another Jew updated those teachings sans the religiosity. Capitalists have served mammon well, embracing the love of money over the love of humanity. Name an evil that plagues the earth. At the root of that evil
Is the love of money. It matters not which socio economic paradigm is put to the test.
The evils of Capitalism or the evils of Communism come about when the greed of despots and oligarchs override the health and welfare of the masses over whom they govern.

Logically, a mixture of Socialism and Capitalism in the right measure is ideal.
Apparently large swaths of the American population has accepted that reality. These
citizens are middle of the road; and, they control the flow of political power between the two major parties with their uncommitted
voting patterns. I'm one of those...regardless of any labels you try to attach to me....

Yes Jesus had taught socialism and communism. But look at what He had done to the one that did not do what the others were doing. Socialism can only work if corporations and politicians were doing their part as well as the others. But I see that Big Pharma will not create medicines just to help others rather than for a large profit. Everyone has to be willing to work for other for free, as if they are their own family. As the same way parents works for their own Children for free.But nobody doesn't want to help thy neighbor.




Acts 4:32 All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of their possessions was their own, but they shared everything they had.
33 With great power the apostles continued to testify to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. And God’s grace was so powerfully at work in them all 34 that there were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned land or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales 35 and put it at the apostles’ feet, and it was distributed to anyone who had need.

36 Joseph, a Levite from Cyprus, whom the apostles called Barnabas (which means “son of encouragement”), 37 sold a field he owned and brought the money and put it at the apostles’ feet.


Acts 5:1 Now a man named Ananias, together with his wife Sapphira, also sold a piece of property. 2 With his wife’s full knowledge he kept back part of the money for himself, but brought the rest and put it at the apostles’ feet.

3 Then Peter said, “Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land? 4 Didn’t it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn’t the money at your disposal? What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied just to human beings but to God.”

5 When Ananias heard this, he fell down and died. And great fear seized all who heard what had happened. 6 Then some young men came forward, wrapped up his body, and carried him out and buried him.




Matthew 20:9 “The workers who were hired about five in the afternoon came and each received a denarius. 10 So when those came who were hired first, they expected to receive more. But each one of them also received a denarius. 11 When they received it, they began to grumble against the landowner. 12 ‘These who were hired last worked only one hour,’ they said, ‘and you have made them equal to us who have borne the burden of the work and the heat of the day.’

13 “But he answered one of them, ‘I am not being unfair to you, friend. Didn’t you agree to work for a denarius? 14 Take your pay and go. I want to give the one who was hired last the same as I gave you. 15 Don’t I have the right to do what I want with my own money? Or are you envious because I am generous?’

16 “So the last will be first, and the first will be last.”

 

[Pogo]

Me: Communism has killed 94 million people...

"Communism" is an economic system. It doesn't "kill" anybody.

Armies kill people. Guns and bombs and rockets kill people. Murderers kill people. Economic systems preeeeety much provide a framework for how wealth moves around. That's all they do.

Communism has killed hundred of millions. Yes, it does kill people. Every. Time.

Unfortunately I've already provided an example that directly refutes that.

Don't know if anyone ever let you know this but posting an emotional bullshit point on the internets, doesn't magically recreate history to make that bulllshit point real. All it does is stick your name next to it.

You provided nothing because communism is a system where the state is in complete power and has no respect for human life, hence the murder of hundreds of millions. I can't help that you are delusional and dont know history.

More ungrounded emotional butthurt.

Again, communism is a system, one of many, of how material value is handled within a society. That society does not need to be a "state". If you want to discuss "states" then what you're talking about is government. Communism is not a government; it's an economic structure. Such a structure, whether communist or individualist, may be engaged by any societal group that handles its own wealth. It has nothing to do with how a governent OR a societal group might handle "respect for human life" or "murder". You have the onus of connecting that dot, and you can't do it.

This is actually where we started, and you still don't get it.

Every time it has been implemented, hundreds of millions have died because the center is the state and the state has no respect for life. Again, I can't help that you are ignorant and do not know history.

And once again for those who can't read, I provided an example of a communism practiced for five hundred years by a group comprised of absolute pacifists who will not take up arms for anybody and never have.

Those are two unrelated traits -- they're not pacifists because they're communists. But they're equally dedicated to both, and they have literally never murdered anybody. There's simply no event where their communism forced them to murder --- because there's no reason it would, because they're completely unrelated. And there's nothing your tantrums of ignorance can do about that.

And my example is hardly the only one -- it's simply the one I have personal experience and interaction with. Live. In person. The fact that your addiction to mass media hasn't bothered to inform you about communist societies that live in pacifism, at best because it wouldn't sell and at worst because it would undermine the ignorance they obviously have already sold you, is not my problem. It's yours.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Communist:friend: That wasn't REAL Communism, try again!

80 million died in WWII.

 

[NYcarbineer]

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I don't see any Stalinists here.

You would if PoliticalChic loaned you her Commie goggles.

 

[JQPublic1]

My question now is why hasn't anyone asked
Kaepernick what he wants? What would it take for him to stand and salute the flag again? Perhaps the media has no interest in the answer.

Seems to me Kaepernick back at the beginning had his personal reason for sitting out the national anthem, a reason that was arrived at individually and could have been any countless number of reasons, and was originally just kept to himself before the media massaged it into a story.

Then when that happened his reasoning came out and there was a little conversation about his issue, and a lot more about "he should STFU". Even though it was a silent protest until it was media-massaged.

That more or less blew over and would have faded into the sunset.

Then the Orange Mange saw an opportunity to demagogue himself into yet-more of that juvenile attention fix he has to have, and stirred the whole hornet's nest up all over again, this time expanding Kaeepernick to the entire body of NFL player personnel --- whether they had had any interest in Kaepernick's issue before or not. At that point it became imperative to resist the personal attack universally, last week.

All of which again stirs up the public curiosity about why any of this is going on in the first place, and there's Kaepernick's personal issue front and center, again.

If this is a cause Colin Kaepernick believes in I'd say he got more mileage out of it than he ever could have bought in a hundred football games. Rump gave him what Rump would call a "ratings boost" (since that's how he sees the world) and it cost Colin Kaepernick absolutely nothing. He did it for free.

Kinda begs the question --- which one of those two is the smart businessman?

Interesting hypothesis. But the question remains: Why hasn't any of the major media
Platforms interviewed Kaepernick and asked him publicly what his ulitmate goal is? What woukd make him declare an end to his protest and stand publicly for the National Anthem?

We kniw why Kaepernick is protesring but we don't know what national or governmental response he is seeking to address his grievance... I want to know.

 

[Correll]

Far less than are saved by the technology, wealth and medical care created by our Capitalistic ancestors.

Our respect for intellectual forms of property is from socialism, not capitalism.

Incorrect. Capitalism includes respect for property rights.


What you describe is more anarchy or complete Autocratic Rule.


YOur desire to claim ALL GOVERNMENT functions or services as "socialism" is noted and dismissed.


Please to not try such dishonesty with me again.


It is an insult to my intelligence and the intelligence of everyone who reads this thread.

Not in our Constitution. It is enumerated via the socialism of the law; and specifically in our supreme law of the land.

Law is not socialism. Your attempt to claim all government as socialism is absurd and dismissed.

Yes, government is socialism; the law is the written form of socialism. You merely don't understand what socialism is. It is not capitalism.

Government is not socialism.


Try to be less dishonest.

 

[Correll]

Communist:friend: That wasn't REAL Communism, try again!

How many people died during the settling of the US? No communism there.

Just filthy disease ridden sailors.

How many people die every day, because of our for-profit warfare-State that the right wing refuses to pay for?

Far less than are saved by the technology, wealth and medical care created by our Capitalistic ancestors.

In the words of Ronald Reagan: "Wellllll....I don't knowwwww! "

Add this shit up, will ya?

"Based on an analysis of prior research, the Johns Hopkins study estimates that more than 250,000 Americans die each year from medical errors. On the CDC's official list, that would rank just behind heart disease and cancer, which each took about 600,000 lives in 2014, and in front of respiratory disease, which caused about 150,000 deaths."
Medical Errors Are No. 3 Cause Of U.S Deaths, Researchers Say
Did Ja know that?

Yes, I did actually.


And it's still less than the lives saved by the technology, wealth and medical care created by our Capitalistic ancestors.

 

[Pogo]

My question now is why hasn't anyone asked
Kaepernick what he wants? What would it take for him to stand and salute the flag again? Perhaps the media has no interest in the answer.

Seems to me Kaepernick back at the beginning had his personal reason for sitting out the national anthem, a reason that was arrived at individually and could have been any countless number of reasons, and was originally just kept to himself before the media massaged it into a story.

Then when that happened his reasoning came out and there was a little conversation about his issue, and a lot more about "he should STFU". Even though it was a silent protest until it was media-massaged.

That more or less blew over and would have faded into the sunset.

Then the Orange Mange saw an opportunity to demagogue himself into yet-more of that juvenile attention fix he has to have, and stirred the whole hornet's nest up all over again, this time expanding Kaeepernick to the entire body of NFL player personnel --- whether they had had any interest in Kaepernick's issue before or not. At that point it became imperative to resist the personal attack universally, last week.

All of which again stirs up the public curiosity about why any of this is going on in the first place, and there's Kaepernick's personal issue front and center, again.

If this is a cause Colin Kaepernick believes in I'd say he got more mileage out of it than he ever could have bought in a hundred football games. Rump gave him what Rump would call a "ratings boost" (since that's how he sees the world) and it cost Colin Kaepernick absolutely nothing. He did it for free.

Kinda begs the question --- which one of those two is the smart businessman?

Interesting hypothesis. But the question remains: Why hasn't any of the major media
Platforms interviewed Kaepernick and asked him publicly what his ulitmate goal is? What woukd make him declare an end to his protest and stand publicly for the National Anthem?

We kniw why Kaepernick is protesring but we don't know what national or governmental response he is seeking to address his grievance... I want to know.

They did ask him what was behind it, back when they first made a 'story' out of it.

That may be all there is to it. The question of what solutions he wants may or may not be something he has in mind; it can be as simple as protesting the existence of a condition and that's it --- the theory of "if you see something say something". There doesn't need to be more than that.

My previous post was not a 'theory', it's an observation of how the communication of that issue went down, and how Rump just gave the whole thing a shot in the arm, even after (from what I read here) Colin Kaepernick no longer has a job.

Not that Kaepernick engineered him into that position by design, but as far as making the statement Rump in effect played right into his hands.

And he also called attention back to the paid-patriotism scandal exposed two years ago that begat all this nonsense, as well as to the fascistic robot mob mentality that's been crawling out of the woodwork --- that got exposed too.

And that exposure is a good thing, sunlight is always a good disinfectant.

 

[Dragonlady]

Kaepernik was protesting the police killings of unarmed black men in his home state, with no consequences to the officers. It's not an unreasonable protest.

Trump is trying to deflect from the abysmal mess he's making of governing the US. People are pushing back against Trump's lies, deceits and general ineptitude in governing. And his total disregard of people's constitutional rights.

 

[JQPublic1]

Yes, government is socialism; the law is the written form of socialism. You merely don't understand what socialism is. It is not capitalism.

Socialism is usually defined as a socioeconomic system of production.

Only in dictionaries, my friend. That is merely political jargon left over from the Cold War. It is irrelevant for the purposes of political-economics.

Systems of production form the base of political economics.

Socialism starts with a social Contract. Our federal Constitution for our Body politic, is the example I will be using.

Hunh?

 

[JQPublic1]

They did ask him what was behind it, back when they first made a 'story' out of it.

Yah...and he told us why he was protesting but offered no remedies. A good reporter would have not have terminated the interview without asking Kaepernick to reveal his idea of a solution to remedy the object of his protest.

That may be all there is to it. The question of what solutions he wants may or may not be something he has in mind;

Could be...but it is unconscionable to think no one has asked him how he expects his grievance to be remedied. If he has no idea of how to address the problem...I want to hear him say that. If he does have some notion of
finding a solution...i want to hear him say that too. I feel that Kaepernick can redirect some of the attention away from the false perception that kneeling for the NA is disrespectful .stating a goal and suggesting how it should be attained would at least give us all something tangible to work towards.

the theory of "if you see something say something". There doesn't need to be more than that.

As the eternal optimist, I disagree. I envision some governmental solution mandated by masses of fair minded American people.
Intensified federal screening of all law enforcement applicants with input from NAACP background investigators would be a good start.

And that exposure is a good thing, sunlight is always a good disinfect

But snakes love the sunlight too. The goal ought to focus on keeping the snakes defanged or out of law enforcement.

 

[JQPublic1]

How many people died during the settling of the US? No communism there.

Just filthy disease ridden sailors.

How many people die every day, because of our for-profit warfare-State that the right wing refuses to pay for?

Far less than are saved by the technology, wealth and medical care created by our Capitalistic ancestors.

In the words of Ronald Reagan: "Wellllll....I don't knowwwww! "

Add this shit up, will ya?

"Based on an analysis of prior research, the Johns Hopkins study estimates that more than 250,000 Americans die each year from medical errors. On the CDC's official list, that would rank just behind heart disease and cancer, which each took about 600,000 lives in 2014, and in front of respiratory disease, which caused about 150,000 deaths."
Medical Errors Are No. 3 Cause Of U.S Deaths, Researchers Say
Did Ja know that?

Yes, I did actually.


And it's still less than the lives saved by the technology, wealth and medical care created by our Capitalistic ancestors.

Well 600 thousand X 2 =1.2 million+ 250 thousand=1.45 million lives our technologies
do not save per year.
250 thousand medical error deaths annually in the USA, though, is rather startling.
International Survey: U.S. Leads in Medical Errors

 

[danielpalos]

Me: Communism has killed 94 million people...

"Communism" is an economic system. It doesn't "kill" anybody.

Armies kill people. Guns and bombs and rockets kill people. Murderers kill people. Economic systems preeeeety much provide a framework for how wealth moves around. That's all they do.

Communism has killed hundred of millions. Yes, it does kill people. Every. Time.

Unfortunately I've already provided an example that directly refutes that.

Don't know if anyone ever let you know this but posting an emotional bullshit point on the internets, doesn't magically recreate history to make that bulllshit point real. All it does is stick your name next to it.

You provided nothing because communism is a system where the state is in complete power and has no respect for human life, hence the murder of hundreds of millions. I can't help that you are delusional and dont know history.

Would that still be true in a hypothetical, Commune of Heaven?

 

[danielpalos]

Our respect for intellectual forms of property is from socialism, not capitalism.

Incorrect. Capitalism includes respect for property rights.


What you describe is more anarchy or complete Autocratic Rule.


YOur desire to claim ALL GOVERNMENT functions or services as "socialism" is noted and dismissed.


Please to not try such dishonesty with me again.


It is an insult to my intelligence and the intelligence of everyone who reads this thread.

Not in our Constitution. It is enumerated via the socialism of the law; and specifically in our supreme law of the land.

Law is not socialism. Your attempt to claim all government as socialism is absurd and dismissed.

Yes, government is socialism; the law is the written form of socialism. You merely don't understand what socialism is. It is not capitalism.

Government is not socialism.


Try to be less dishonest.

Yes it is because it relies on the other People's money.

 

[danielpalos]

Yes, government is socialism; the law is the written form of socialism. You merely don't understand what socialism is. It is not capitalism.

Socialism is usually defined as a socioeconomic system of production.

Only in dictionaries, my friend. That is merely political jargon left over from the Cold War. It is irrelevant for the purposes of political-economics.

Systems of production form the base of political economics.

Socialism starts with a social Contract. Our federal Constitution for our Body politic, is the example I will be using.

Hunh?

Why not resort to a dictionary like y'all do for socialism.

 

[ScorpioRising007]

Me: Communism has killed 94 million people...

"Communism" is an economic system. It doesn't "kill" anybody.

Armies kill people. Guns and bombs and rockets kill people. Murderers kill people. Economic systems preeeeety much provide a framework for how wealth moves around. That's all they do.

That is true. Communism doesn't kill anyone, people do. Just because Communism hasn't worked out in other countries that tried it doesn't mean it won't work out in America. The reason Communism has failed in other countries is because they first didn't have a strong Capitalism society before they implemented Communism, Carl Marx said you had to have Capitalism first before Communism would ever work.

I learned all this by listening on Yale Online Courses to a Sociology professor who was talking about Carl Marx. He made it clear that Carl Marx only thought Communism would work if FIRST there was a Capitalism system in place for a long time. Carl Marx thought Capitalism was a good thing up to a certain point and helped a country grow, but after the wealth inequality got to a certain point then it was time to replace Capitalism with a Socialism or Communism type society. I think America is at that point, if we don't go to the extreme of Communism then at least try to implement a lot more Socialism into our current system.

 

[Tehon]

Me: Communism has killed 94 million people...

"Communism" is an economic system. It doesn't "kill" anybody.

Armies kill people. Guns and bombs and rockets kill people. Murderers kill people. Economic systems preeeeety much provide a framework for how wealth moves around. That's all they do.

That is true. Communism doesn't kill anyone, people do. Just because Communism hasn't worked out in other countries that tried it doesn't mean it won't work out in America. The reason Communism has failed in other countries is because they first didn't have a strong Capitalism society before they implemented Communism, Carl Marx said you had to have Capitalism first before Communism would ever work.

I learned all this by listening on Yale Online Courses to a Sociology professor who was talking about Carl Marx. He made it clear that Carl Marx only thought Communism would work if FIRST there was a Capitalism system in place for a long time. Carl Marx thought Capitalism was a good thing up to a certain point and helped a country grow, but after the wealth inequality got to a certain point then it was time to replace Capitalism with a Socialism or Communism type society. I think America is at that point, if we don't go to the extreme of Communism then at least try to implement a lot more Socialism into our current system.

Marx thought communism was a historical inevitability. That capitalism would eventually become a detriment to society and this would lead to a mass movement that would overthrow the capitalist system in favor of a socialist system. And this socialist system would evolve naturally into a communist system.

To your point, Marx's philosophy was that a new socioeconomic system of production would only take shape once the productive forces of the previous system had exhausted itself. Contradictions in the capitalist system will continue to grow until they cannot be ignored by society. At which point a movement will develop that will seek to move us to a new socioeconomic reality.