Lovelock, the godfather of global warming, acknowledged he had been unduly “alarmist

[healthmyths]

YES you people that called people like me names because we didn't swallow the evangelical belief that glacier melt would cover NY/Florida, etc.!!!

You people that like sheeple followed AlGore as religious belief in the DIRE global deluge of melting glaciers... YES listen to the man that started that message and his warning:

Lovelock blasted greens for treating global warming like a religion.

(3) Lovelock mocks the idea modern economies can be powered by wind turbines.

Finally, about claims “the science is settled” on global warming: “One thing that being a scientist has taught me is that you can never be certain about anything. You never know the truth


Green

Lovelock has NOW understanding of the simple math for example!
All the water in all the glaciers equals 1.7% of total water.
The water in the oceans equals 96% of all the total water!

SO folks that still support that crazy Al Gore notion that "Inconvenient Truth" scene with the WTC memorial under water explain how increasing the oceans water by 1.7% will put the WTC under water???

 

[Neotrotsky]

He even admits the Left has taken it up
almost like a religion


But, we already knew that,,,,

 

[Old Rocks]

Of course, only NASA and all the rest of the scientists of the world disagree with the two numbskulls that have posted their ignorance.

http://www.usc.edu/org/cosee-west/glaciers/Issealevelrising.pdf

 

[healthmyths]

Yes that's right it has become a religion and in schools no less!
And as such though where religious dogmatic responses are the rule, especially the left their response will be as early christians were to the pagans.. burn the heretics! So watch Lovelock the inventor of GAIA will be sacrificed at GAIA's alter!


So fanatical glacier melting "WaterWorld" believer will attempt it!

 

[Old Rocks]

Sea-Level Rise

 

[Old Rocks]

So we have the flapyaps that make statements, then never post anything to back the statements up. Just two bit liars with no brains.

Greenland | Weather Underground

 

[GuyPinestra]

Of course, only NASA and all the rest of the scientists of the world disagree with the two numbskulls that have posted their ignorance.

http://www.usc.edu/org/cosee-west/glaciers/Issealevelrising.pdf

Damn Rocks, you should really read the links you post, but since it's a .pdf I can't copy and paste the very first paragraph. Suffice it to say that they 'estimate' that mean sea level has risen 4-10 inches in the last century. That means their margin of error (6 inches) is greater than their 'certainty'.

Yeah, I'm gonna worry about THAT! NOT!

 

[healthmyths]

Of course, only NASA and all the rest of the scientists of the world disagree with the two numbskulls that have posted their ignorance.

http://www.usc.edu/org/cosee-west/glaciers/Issealevelrising.pdf

Are you saying that glacier melt DOESN"T constitute 1.7% of all the water and when they melt they will add 230 feet as this expert states from the USGS no less!!!

"Glaciers store about 69% of the world's freshwater, and if all land ice melted the seas would rise about 70 meters (about 230 feet).
Glaciers and icecaps, USGS Water Science for Schools water-information site

WOW 230 feet if all the glaciers melted!
WOW..
The Ice caps do contain 5,773,000,000,000,000,000 (5.7 quintillion gallons in all the Ice caps,Glaciers),..

and it all melted it would add to all the oceans seas, bays that already have:

321,000,000,000,000,000,000 (quintillion) gallons that would be equal to adding
1.74% to the oceans.

Please just tell me how you and the "experts" will see 230 feet RISE if glaciers constitute on 1.74%


So once again calling skeptics that do simple math "numbskulls" just doesn't qualify for a
"F...king intelligent comment!!!!"
But it again shows how religious glacier melt NUT,FANATICS respond.. not with facts but name calling!
Again.. with logic and rational thinking tell me how adding 1.7% of the glacier melt to 96% of the earth's water, i.e world's Oceans would cause the oceans to rise 230 feet!

 

[Old Rocks]

So you think that you can do the math better than the USGS? LOL

 

[skookerasbil]

The radical environmentalists continue their bomb throwing...........but its not mattering in the real world. Cap and Trade is a fossil and this past year, the public has gotten to see the green scam up close.........9.1 million/green job!! As usual, the left cant help themseves from consistently blowing their own faces off with the alarmist goofball stuff. And in 4 short months, all this BS gets mothballed in the interest of the public good.


Interested parties might want to read this gem I stumbled into on the internet............its the official UN Playbook ( guide) on how to indoctrinate nations on the economic "opportunites" created by embracing climate change.
http://www.undp.org/content/dam/undp/library/Environment%20and%20Energy/Climate%20Change/Capacity%20Development/UNDP-Guide-Mainstreaming-Climate-Change.pdf



"Global warming" and "climate change" has always been about one thing and one thing only: wealth redistribution.

 

[Old Rocks]

Hmmm....... Now if we took the average depth of the ocean and added the 1.7% of the water contained in the glaiers. Seems the average depth is something like 3800 meters. And you add another 1.7 % to that what do you get? Looks like the USGS figures are right in the ballpark. Ever consider doing the third grade math class over again?

Depth of the Ocean

 

[healthmyths]

Waters on the continental shelf and continental slope, between 600-9,000 feet deep, comprise about 60% of the Gulf of Mexico. So adding 1.7% more water to for example the west coast of florida would cause less then a 10 foot rise AT MOST at 600 feet ! Hardly 230 feet!
And

 

[idb]

YES you people that called people like me names because we didn't swallow the evangelical belief that glacier melt would cover NY/Florida, etc.!!!

You people that like sheeple followed AlGore as religious belief in the DIRE global deluge of melting glaciers... YES listen to the man that started that message and his warning:

Lovelock blasted greens for treating global warming like a religion.

(3) Lovelock mocks the idea modern economies can be powered by wind turbines.

Finally, about claims “the science is settled” on global warming: “One thing that being a scientist has taught me is that you can never be certain about anything. You never know the truth


Green

Lovelock has NOW understanding of the simple math for example!
All the water in all the glaciers equals 1.7% of total water.
The water in the oceans equals 96% of all the total water!

SO folks that still support that crazy Al Gore notion that "Inconvenient Truth" scene with the WTC memorial under water explain how increasing the oceans water by 1.7% will put the WTC under water???

Any scientist will tell you "you can never be certain about anything. You never know the truth" the rest of the quote is "You can only approach it and hope to get a bit nearer to it each time. You iterate towards the truth. You don’t know it.”
That's a given in the scientific method - everything is open to test and challenge.

He also said in the article that he "still believes anthropogenic global warming is occurring and that mankind must lower its greenhouse gas emissions"

In fact, if I read his article right, he's not saying there isn't a problem, he's saying that the doomsday-just-around-the-corner models are wrong and we have time to sort our shit out - as long as we promise to sort our shit out.
James Lovelock on shale gas and the problem with 'greens' | Environment | guardian.co.uk

 

[Mac1958]

.

The planet's climate has been changing for oh, about 3.5 billion years, something like that. It was once a burning cauldron of lava. It was once a snowball. It's changing a teeny tiny bit every day, and it will continue to do so long after humanity has come and gone. Don't we know that? Doesn't that get factored in to the "calculations"?

.

 

[skookerasbil]

Of course, only NASA and all the rest of the scientists of the world disagree with the two numbskulls that have posted their ignorance.

http://www.usc.edu/org/cosee-west/glaciers/Issealevelrising.pdf

Damn Rocks, you should really read the links you post, but since it's a .pdf I can't copy and paste the very first paragraph. Suffice it to say that they 'estimate' that mean sea level has risen 4-10 inches in the last century. That means their margin of error (6 inches) is greater than their 'certainty'.

 

[healthmyths]

So you think that you can do the math better than the USGS? LOL

NO I'm just trying to figure out how 1.7% of water (in glaciers) added to 96% (in oceans)
would cause 230 foot rise!

Common sense is if you add 1.7% more water to a average back yard swimming pool's 20,000 gallons that would be 340 gallons spread out over the entire pool.. would you notice the difference?

 

[Old Rocks]

Yes, that absolutely does get factored in. And it is 4.5, not 3.5.

However, long term, their are just two things that determine our climate. The first is the amount of energy that we recieve from the sun, the second is the amount that we retain.

In the last 150 years, the first has changed only a little, and in the last 50 years, has actually declined slightly. The second has increased as we have added another 40% of CO2 to the atmosphere, and 150% of CH4, as well as many industrial GHGs for which there are no natural analogs, and are up to thousands of times as potent as CO2.

 

[Old Rocks]

So you think that you can do the math better than the USGS? LOL

NO I'm just trying to figure out how 1.7% of water (in glaciers) added to 96% (in oceans)
would cause 230 foot rise!

Common sense is if you add 1.7% more water to a average back yard swimming pool's 20,000 gallons that would be 340 gallons spread out over the entire pool.. would you notice the difference?

Dumb fuck, what is the average depth of the container? The average depth of our oceans is 3800 meters. Add 1.7% more water, that is about 65 meters. You really need to take some remedial math there, old boy. Get back to us in a year or two when you have completed the calculations.

 

[Neotrotsky]

This reminds of an old posting



Earth Day predictions of 1970- Why you shouldn’t believe nutroot predictions of 2009

Earth Day predictions of 1970- Why you shouldn’t believe nutroot predictions of 2009 or Hey, we got it right this time- trust us

See the Great Left Mind at work
some were "peer reviewed" of course



Here are some of the hilarious, spectacularly wrong predictions made on the occasion of Earth Day 1970.
“We have about five more years at the outside to do something.”
• Kenneth Watt, ecologist

“Civilization will end within 15 or 30 years unless immediate action is taken against problems facing mankind.”
• George Wald, Harvard Biologist

“We are in an environmental crisis which threatens the survival of this nation, and of the world as a suitable place of human habitation.”
• Barry Commoner, Washington University biologist


“Man must stop pollution and conserve his resources, not merely to enhance existence but to save the race from intolerable deterioration and possible extinction.”
• New York Times editorial, the day after the first Earth Day

“Population will inevitably and completely outstrip whatever small increases in food supplies we make. The death rate will increase until at least 100-200 million people per year will be starving to death during the next ten years.”
• Paul Ehrlich, Stanford University biologist

“By…[1975] some experts feel that food shortages will have escalated the present level of world hunger and starvation into famines of unbelievable proportions. Other experts, more optimistic, think the ultimate food-population collision will not occur until the decade of the 1980s.”
• Paul Ehrlich, Stanford University biologist

“It is already too late to avoid mass starvation.”
• Denis Hayes, chief organizer for Earth Day

“Demographers agree almost unanimously on the following grim timetable: by 1975 widespread famines will begin in India; these will spread by 1990 to include all of India, Pakistan, China and the Near East, Africa. By the year 2000, or conceivably sooner, South and Central America will exist under famine conditions….By the year 2000, thirty years from now, the entire world, with the exception of Western Europe, North America, and Australia, will be in famine.”
• Peter Gunter, professor, North Texas State University

“Scientists have solid experimental and theoretical evidence to support…the following predictions: In a decade, urban dwellers will have to wear gas masks to survive air pollution…by 1985 air pollution will have reduced the amount of sunlight reaching earth by one half….”
• Life Magazine, January 1970

“At the present rate of nitrogen buildup, it’s only a matter of time before light will be filtered out of the atmosphere and none of our land will be usable.”
• Kenneth Watt, Ecologist

Stanford's Paul Ehrlich announces that the sky is falling.
“Air pollution…is certainly going to take hundreds of thousands of lives in the next few years alone.”
• Paul Ehrlich, Stanford University biologist

“We are prospecting for the very last of our resources and using up the nonrenewable things many times faster than we are finding new ones.”
• Martin Litton, Sierra Club director

“By the year 2000, if present trends continue, we will be using up crude oil at such a rate…that there won’t be any more crude oil. You’ll drive up to the pump and say, `Fill ‘er up, buddy,’ and he’ll say, `I am very sorry, there isn’t any.’”
• Kenneth Watt, Ecologist

“Dr. S. Dillon Ripley, secretary of the Smithsonian Institute, believes that in 25 years, somewhere between 75 and 80 percent of all the species of living animals will be extinct.”
• Sen. Gaylord Nelson

“The world has been chilling sharply for about twenty years. If present trends continue, the world will be about four degrees colder for the global mean temperature in 1990, but eleven degrees colder in the year 2000. This is about twice what it would take to put us into an ice age.”
• Kenneth Watt, Ecologist

They’ve been making the same predictions for 39 years. And they’re going to continue making them until…well…forever.

 

[GuyPinestra]

So you think that you can do the math better than the USGS? LOL

NO I'm just trying to figure out how 1.7% of water (in glaciers) added to 96% (in oceans)
would cause 230 foot rise!

Common sense is if you add 1.7% more water to a average back yard swimming pool's 20,000 gallons that would be 340 gallons spread out over the entire pool.. would you notice the difference?

Dumb fuck, what is the average depth of the container? The average depth of our oceans is 3800 meters. Add 1.7% more water, that is about 65 meters. You really need to take some remedial math there, old boy. Get back to us in a year or two when you have completed the calculations.

The problem with your Doomsday scenario, Rocks, is that it requires EVERY SINGLE CUBIC INCH of polar and glacial ice to melt. Don't you think that's just a little bit absurd?