Love of Prophet Muhammad

And he is far from good. IMO

Why do you say that? Proselytizing is annoying and offensive, but it's not exclusive to Muslims or even non-religious folks.

He's proud of his faith as I'm sure you're proud of yours.

Annoying and offensive doesn't equal evil.
 
Ahmad

How do you feel about these verses?

"Kill them wherever you find them" (Qur'an 2:191); "Kill them wherever you find them" (Qur'an 4:89); "Kill the idolaters wherever you find them" (Qur'an 9:5); "When you meet the unbelievers, strike necks" (Qur'an 47:4).
 
Fort Fun Indiana said:
Stop wasting your time here. Go make yourself useful and preach your message of positivity to evil muslims. They are the ones who need to hear it.
Burning Up All That Band-Width
Hoping You Dry Up
And Go Away
 
And he is far from good. IMO

Why do you say that? Proselytizing is annoying and offensive, but it's not exclusive to Muslims or even non-religious folks.

He's proud of his faith as I'm sure you're proud of yours.

Annoying and offensive doesn't equal evil.

yeah it does. Decent people do NOT SO ENGAGE
in the filth of shariah law-----proselytizing for any faith OTHER than
the ass licking of muhummad is a CAPITAL CRIME. In view of the
current push for "LAWS AGAINST """"islamophobia"""" " I support
EQUITY--------balance. Proselytizing for islam should be deemed
a capital crime in civilized lands. -----fair is fair
 
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Ahmad

How do you feel about these verses?

"Kill them wherever you find them" (Qur'an 2:191); "Kill them wherever you find them" (Qur'an 4:89); "Kill the idolaters wherever you find them" (Qur'an 9:5); "When you meet the unbelievers, strike necks" (Qur'an 47:4).

Thank you for asking. When I read this, I don't understand anything that concerns me. I understand that this was a command from God to Muhammad (peace be upon him), because Muhammad (peace be upon him) was at war, for many years, against people most cruel and most barbaric. Muhammad is known as the Fighting Messenger. His Companions on the battle field would recite poetry (to motivate themselves). At war, you need motivation, ask the US soldiers who went in Iraq. This is the point of these verses. I know from childhood God is generous and good to all. That's obvious, to me and to everyone who believes in God. So when I read these verses, I know what to understand and what not to understand.

But if want all the women to love me, and all the men to dream to be me, I am going to understand something else; that's as simple as that. So blame those guys, but don't blame Islam. And don't think it is my duty to go tell them anything whatsoever.
 
Stop wasting your time here. Go make yourself useful and preach your message of positivity to evil muslims. They are the ones who need to hear it.

How do you know he is not one of the evil ones?
I don't.

There lies the problem
No idea what you are talking about.

You’re treating him like he is your pal. He is not. And he is far from good. IMO

How am I far from good ? Please elaborate.
 
How do you know he is not one of the evil ones?
I don't.

There lies the problem
No idea what you are talking about.

You’re treating him like he is your pal. He is not. And he is far from good. IMO

How am I far from good ? Please elaborate.

Because you believe that Islam is 100% pure and good and refuse to criticize it. Nothing is 100% pure and good.
 
Ahmad

How do you feel about these verses?

"Kill them wherever you find them" (Qur'an 2:191); "Kill them wherever you find them" (Qur'an 4:89); "Kill the idolaters wherever you find them" (Qur'an 9:5); "When you meet the unbelievers, strike necks" (Qur'an 47:4).

Thank you for asking. When I read this, I don't understand anything that concerns me. I understand that this was a command from God to Muhammad (peace be upon him), because Muhammad (peace be upon him) was at war, for many years, against people most cruel and most barbaric. Muhammad is known as the Fighting Messenger. His Companions on the battle field would recite poetry (to motivate themselves). At war, you need motivation, ask the US soldiers who went in Iraq. This is the point of these verses. I know from childhood God is generous and good to all. That's obvious, to me and to everyone who believes in God. So when I read these verses, I know what to understand and what not to understand.

But if want all the women to love me, and all the men to dream to be me, I am going to understand something else; that's as simple as that. So blame those guys, but don't blame Islam. And don't think it is my duty to go tell them anything whatsoever.

Arabian fighters were not brutal? they sang poems of love on the battlefield? What happened to that
"culture"?? Customs in ALL SOCIETIES are very
stable---------how did the entire more than a billon muslims "BECOME" brutal in just a few centuries----so brutal that they CELEBRATE MASS MURDER
 
Excerpt from Dalail Khayrat (The ways to Felicity) of Imam Jazuli, on Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him).

And send blessings which are eternal and continuous and which last for as long as the waves crash in the oceans and the Ancient House (the Holy Kabba) is circumambulated from all sides by throngs of pilgrims. The best of all blessings and peace be upon our master Muhammad, the Generous Messenger, His Friend among all the slaves, the Intercessor for all created beings at the appointed time. Owner of the Most Praised Station and the Oft-visited Pool, the One who took on the burden of the Message and the responsibility of spreading it far and wide, the One destined for honour and One who strove for the greatest righteousness.

The blessings of God be upon him and upon his family, eternal and continuous blessings, lasting as long as the passing of all nights and all days.

For he is the master of the first and the last and best of the first and the last.

The best blessings of those who ask for blessings upon him are for him.

The purest peace of those who seek peace for him is for him.

And the finest thoughts of those who remember him.

And the finest blessings of God.

And the choicest blessings of God.

And the greatest blessings of God.

And the fairest blessings of God.

And the fullest blessings of God.

And the most abundant blessings of God.

And the utmost blessings of God.

And the clearest blessings of God.

And the mightiest blessings of God.

And the sweetest blessings of God.

And the freshest blessings of God.

And the holiest blessings of God.

And the purest blessings of God.

And the richest blessings of God.

And the most sincere blessings of God.

And the matchless blessings of God.

And the highest blessings of God.

And the most lavish blessings of God.

And the myriad blessings of God.

And the universal blessings of God.

And the longest lasting blessings of God.

And the longest remaining blessings of God.

And the strongest blessings of God.

And the loftiest blessings of God.

And the mightiest blessings of God.

Upon the best of God’s creation.

The finest of God’s creation.

The greatest of God’s creation.

The noblest of God’s creation.

The fairest of God’s creation.

The most perfect of God’s creation.

The most complete of God’s creation.

The mightiest of God’s creation in the sight of God.

The Messenger of God.

The Prophet of God.

The Beloved of God.

The Intimate of God.

The Confidant of God.

The Friend of God.

The Loved One of God.

The Trustee of God.

The Boon of God from the creation of God.

The Choice of God from the innocent of God.

The Confidant of God from Prophets of God.

The Handhold of God.

The Modesty of God.

The Favour of God.

The Key to the Mercy of God.

The Chosen One from the Messengers of God.

The Elected One from the Creation of Allah and the One who succeeds with his requests at times of fear and dread.

The Sincere One in what he is granted.

Most Honoured Envoy.

Truest Speaker.

Most successful Intercessor.

The Best Intercessor, the One faithful to his pledge, the One true to his mission, the One who complied with the order of his Lord, and the One who bore his responsibility.

The Messenger of God with the Closest Access to God and the one whose position and pre-eminence in the sight of God is greater than that of all Prophets and Messengers.

The most honoured of God's Honoured Prophets and the Loved one of the God.

More in love with God than them and closer to God than them.

The Most Honoured Creation in the sight of God.

More fortunate and more satisfied than them in the presence of God.

The Highest Ranking Human Being.

With a position greater than theirs and a kindness and favour more perfect than theirs, and a rank better than all the Prophets.

With a law greater than theirs and those origin is more noble than all Prophets.

Whose Evidence and Preaching were clearer than theirs and whose birth, migration, perfumed descendants and companions were more gracious than theirs.

The most tender human being.

Whose origin was nobler than theirs, whose soul was better than theirs, whose heart was purer than theirs, whose word was truer than theirs, whose act was purer than theirs, whose descent was more solid than theirs, who was more faithful to his pledge than them, whose distinction was more weighty than theirs, whose disposition was more honoured than theirs, whose design was finer than theirs, whose branch was better than theirs, whose obedience and dutifulness were more than theirs, whose station was higher than theirs, whose speech was more beautiful than theirs, whose peace was purer than theirs, whose rank was more splendid than theirs, whose glory was greater than theirs, whose glory was more resplendent than theirs, whose mention in the Celestial Realm was loftier than theirs, whose promise was more sincere than theirs, whose gratitude was more profuse than theirs, whose authority was higher than theirs, whose patience was more beautiful than theirs, whose goodness was finer than theirs, whose ease was more accessible than theirs, whose position was loftier than theirs, whose value was greater than theirs, whose argument was sounder than theirs, whose judgement was more balanced than theirs, whose faith was more advanced than theirs, whose evidence was clearer than theirs, whose tongue was more eloquent than theirs, and whose authority was more obvious than theirs.

Anyone agrees to this being magnificent litterature ? Magnificent Islamic theological litterature ?

For my part, I am absolutely amazed by these holy writings.
 
does any have any history of cruel and barbaric people---who ATTACKED muhummad and his merry men. There were lots of LITERATE people in Arabia at that time---Zoroastrians, Jews, Christians------SOMEBODY WOULD
HAVE NOTICED. The writings are in the sands-----
 
No idea what you are talking about.

You’re treating him like he is your pal. He is not. And he is far from good. IMO

How am I far from good ? Please elaborate.

Because you believe that Islam is 100% pure and good and refuse to criticize it. Nothing is 100% pure and good.

I am sorry, if something is divine, it is going to be 100 % good. That's the meaning of religion. You are the unfair one. Judge men by the truth, and not truth by the men.
 
Excerpt from Dalail Khayrat (The ways to Felicity) of Imam Jazuli, on Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him).

And send blessings which are eternal and continuous and which last for as long as the waves crash in the oceans and the Ancient House (the Holy Kabba) is circumambulated from all sides by throngs of pilgrims. The best of all blessings and peace be upon our master Muhammad, the Generous Messenger, His Friend among all the slaves, the Intercessor for all created beings at the appointed time. Owner of the Most Praised Station and the Oft-visited Pool, the One who took on the burden of the Message and the responsibility of spreading it far and wide, the One destined for honour and One who strove for the greatest righteousness.

The blessings of God be upon him and upon his family, eternal and continuous blessings, lasting as long as the passing of all nights and all days.

For he is the master of the first and the last and best of the first and the last.

The best blessings of those who ask for blessings upon him are for him.

The purest peace of those who seek peace for him is for him.

And the finest thoughts of those who remember him.

And the finest blessings of God.

And the choicest blessings of God.

And the greatest blessings of God.

And the fairest blessings of God.

And the fullest blessings of God.

And the most abundant blessings of God.

And the utmost blessings of God.

And the clearest blessings of God.

And the mightiest blessings of God.

And the sweetest blessings of God.

And the freshest blessings of God.

And the holiest blessings of God.

And the purest blessings of God.

And the richest blessings of God.

And the most sincere blessings of God.

And the matchless blessings of God.

And the highest blessings of God.

And the most lavish blessings of God.

And the myriad blessings of God.

And the universal blessings of God.

And the longest lasting blessings of God.

And the longest remaining blessings of God.

And the strongest blessings of God.

And the loftiest blessings of God.

And the mightiest blessings of God.

Upon the best of God’s creation.

The finest of God’s creation.

The greatest of God’s creation.

The noblest of God’s creation.

The fairest of God’s creation.

The most perfect of God’s creation.

The most complete of God’s creation.

The mightiest of God’s creation in the sight of God.

The Messenger of God.

The Prophet of God.

The Beloved of God.

The Intimate of God.

The Confidant of God.

The Friend of God.

The Loved One of God.

The Trustee of God.

The Boon of God from the creation of God.

The Choice of God from the innocent of God.

The Confidant of God from Prophets of God.

The Handhold of God.

The Modesty of God.

The Favour of God.

The Key to the Mercy of God.

The Chosen One from the Messengers of God.

The Elected One from the Creation of Allah and the One who succeeds with his requests at times of fear and dread.

The Sincere One in what he is granted.

Most Honoured Envoy.

Truest Speaker.

Most successful Intercessor.

The Best Intercessor, the One faithful to his pledge, the One true to his mission, the One who complied with the order of his Lord, and the One who bore his responsibility.

The Messenger of God with the Closest Access to God and the one whose position and pre-eminence in the sight of God is greater than that of all Prophets and Messengers.

The most honoured of God's Honoured Prophets and the Loved one of the God.

More in love with God than them and closer to God than them.

The Most Honoured Creation in the sight of God.

More fortunate and more satisfied than them in the presence of God.

The Highest Ranking Human Being.

With a position greater than theirs and a kindness and favour more perfect than theirs, and a rank better than all the Prophets.

With a law greater than theirs and those origin is more noble than all Prophets.

Whose Evidence and Preaching were clearer than theirs and whose birth, migration, perfumed descendants and companions were more gracious than theirs.

The most tender human being.

Whose origin was nobler than theirs, whose soul was better than theirs, whose heart was purer than theirs, whose word was truer than theirs, whose act was purer than theirs, whose descent was more solid than theirs, who was more faithful to his pledge than them, whose distinction was more weighty than theirs, whose disposition was more honoured than theirs, whose design was finer than theirs, whose branch was better than theirs, whose obedience and dutifulness were more than theirs, whose station was higher than theirs, whose speech was more beautiful than theirs, whose peace was purer than theirs, whose rank was more splendid than theirs, whose glory was greater than theirs, whose glory was more resplendent than theirs, whose mention in the Celestial Realm was loftier than theirs, whose promise was more sincere than theirs, whose gratitude was more profuse than theirs, whose authority was higher than theirs, whose patience was more beautiful than theirs, whose goodness was finer than theirs, whose ease was more accessible than theirs, whose position was loftier than theirs, whose value was greater than theirs, whose argument was sounder than theirs, whose judgement was more balanced than theirs, whose faith was more advanced than theirs, whose evidence was clearer than theirs, whose tongue was more eloquent than theirs, and whose authority was more obvious than theirs.

Anyone agrees to this being magnificent litterature ? Magnificent Islamic theological litterature ?

For my part, I am absolutely amazed by these holy writings.

the Bhagavad Gita is far better
 
There lies the problem
No idea what you are talking about.

You’re treating him like he is your pal. He is not. And he is far from good. IMO

How am I far from good ? Please elaborate.

Because you believe that Islam is 100% pure and good and refuse to criticize it. Nothing is 100% pure and good.

I am sorry, if something is divine, it is going to be 100 % good. That's the meaning of religion. You are the unfair one. Judge men by the truth, and not truth by the men.

So you consider death due to apostasy good? Zombies are never good. Sorry.
 
Excerpt from Dalail Khayrat (The ways to Felicity) of Imam Jazuli, on Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him).

And send blessings which are eternal and continuous and which last for as long as the waves crash in the oceans and the Ancient House (the Holy Kabba) is circumambulated from all sides by throngs of pilgrims. The best of all blessings and peace be upon our master Muhammad, the Generous Messenger, His Friend among all the slaves, the Intercessor for all created beings at the appointed time. Owner of the Most Praised Station and the Oft-visited Pool, the One who took on the burden of the Message and the responsibility of spreading it far and wide, the One destined for honour and One who strove for the greatest righteousness.

The blessings of God be upon him and upon his family, eternal and continuous blessings, lasting as long as the passing of all nights and all days.

For he is the master of the first and the last and best of the first and the last.

The best blessings of those who ask for blessings upon him are for him.

The purest peace of those who seek peace for him is for him.

And the finest thoughts of those who remember him.

And the finest blessings of God.

And the choicest blessings of God.

And the greatest blessings of God.

And the fairest blessings of God.

And the fullest blessings of God.

And the most abundant blessings of God.

And the utmost blessings of God.

And the clearest blessings of God.

And the mightiest blessings of God.

And the sweetest blessings of God.

And the freshest blessings of God.

And the holiest blessings of God.

And the purest blessings of God.

And the richest blessings of God.

And the most sincere blessings of God.

And the matchless blessings of God.

And the highest blessings of God.

And the most lavish blessings of God.

And the myriad blessings of God.

And the universal blessings of God.

And the longest lasting blessings of God.

And the longest remaining blessings of God.

And the strongest blessings of God.

And the loftiest blessings of God.

And the mightiest blessings of God.

Upon the best of God’s creation.

The finest of God’s creation.

The greatest of God’s creation.

The noblest of God’s creation.

The fairest of God’s creation.

The most perfect of God’s creation.

The most complete of God’s creation.

The mightiest of God’s creation in the sight of God.

The Messenger of God.

The Prophet of God.

The Beloved of God.

The Intimate of God.

The Confidant of God.

The Friend of God.

The Loved One of God.

The Trustee of God.

The Boon of God from the creation of God.

The Choice of God from the innocent of God.

The Confidant of God from Prophets of God.

The Handhold of God.

The Modesty of God.

The Favour of God.

The Key to the Mercy of God.

The Chosen One from the Messengers of God.

The Elected One from the Creation of Allah and the One who succeeds with his requests at times of fear and dread.

The Sincere One in what he is granted.

Most Honoured Envoy.

Truest Speaker.

Most successful Intercessor.

The Best Intercessor, the One faithful to his pledge, the One true to his mission, the One who complied with the order of his Lord, and the One who bore his responsibility.

The Messenger of God with the Closest Access to God and the one whose position and pre-eminence in the sight of God is greater than that of all Prophets and Messengers.

The most honoured of God's Honoured Prophets and the Loved one of the God.

More in love with God than them and closer to God than them.

The Most Honoured Creation in the sight of God.

More fortunate and more satisfied than them in the presence of God.

The Highest Ranking Human Being.

With a position greater than theirs and a kindness and favour more perfect than theirs, and a rank better than all the Prophets.

With a law greater than theirs and those origin is more noble than all Prophets.

Whose Evidence and Preaching were clearer than theirs and whose birth, migration, perfumed descendants and companions were more gracious than theirs.

The most tender human being.

Whose origin was nobler than theirs, whose soul was better than theirs, whose heart was purer than theirs, whose word was truer than theirs, whose act was purer than theirs, whose descent was more solid than theirs, who was more faithful to his pledge than them, whose distinction was more weighty than theirs, whose disposition was more honoured than theirs, whose design was finer than theirs, whose branch was better than theirs, whose obedience and dutifulness were more than theirs, whose station was higher than theirs, whose speech was more beautiful than theirs, whose peace was purer than theirs, whose rank was more splendid than theirs, whose glory was greater than theirs, whose glory was more resplendent than theirs, whose mention in the Celestial Realm was loftier than theirs, whose promise was more sincere than theirs, whose gratitude was more profuse than theirs, whose authority was higher than theirs, whose patience was more beautiful than theirs, whose goodness was finer than theirs, whose ease was more accessible than theirs, whose position was loftier than theirs, whose value was greater than theirs, whose argument was sounder than theirs, whose judgement was more balanced than theirs, whose faith was more advanced than theirs, whose evidence was clearer than theirs, whose tongue was more eloquent than theirs, and whose authority was more obvious than theirs.

Anyone agrees to this being magnificent litterature ? Magnificent Islamic theological litterature ?

For my part, I am absolutely amazed by these holy writings.

the Bhagavad Gita is far better

I disagree. These are instances of absolute holiness and beauty.

But can you cite me some of that Bhagavad Gita ?
 
No idea what you are talking about.

You’re treating him like he is your pal. He is not. And he is far from good. IMO

How am I far from good ? Please elaborate.

Because you believe that Islam is 100% pure and good and refuse to criticize it. Nothing is 100% pure and good.

I am sorry, if something is divine, it is going to be 100 % good. That's the meaning of religion. You are the unfair one. Judge men by the truth, and not truth by the men.

So you consider death due to apostasy good? Zombies are never good. Sorry.

Not in Christianity. Because that government, nation "thing" is not in it. But in Islam, nation, community and government is arch-important. Muslims pray 5 times a day, and they are ABSOLUTELY obligated to do it at the Mosque, not at home. Because Islam is about nation, community and government. In a Muslim nation (and there is only 1 Muslim Nation, not 500); there has been 1 Muslim nation from the 600s to the 1920s when the Ottoman Empire ended, with one king or emperor only at its head, not 500 presidents; if those settings are met; one who leaves his religion of Islam can meet with death penalty. It is totally normal. This is a serious blow to the "concrete" blocks of the community and the nation.

Like in the US, if you steal too much money from the stock market, or if you sell too much drugs, you will be JAILED FOR LIFE. Some say that's crazy. Exactly the same. As a matter of fact, in Saudi Arabia (though I disapprove of that country), if you are caught a a drug dealer, you get the death penalty. You can sense why in a worldwide Muslim Empire, someone who leaves the nation gets the death penalty.

But in today's world, you can leave your religion as you want, choose another one then come back, then go back again to it, and on and on. It's absolutely fine, it is your right, and a right guaranteed by the government of most Muslim countries of the world. We are not in that time anymore when there is only 1 Muslim kingdom worldwide.
 

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