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Geez, Sinatra, you are proving what an idiot you truly are. Run a line across the top temps of the satellite data, what is the slope of the line? Now run one across the bottoms temps of the satellite data. What is the slope of the line?
As for your other charts, until I see the source of each, something a bit better than Kellercitylimits.com, I will regard them as gigo.
Geez, Sinatra, you are proving what an idiot you truly are. Run a line across the top temps of the satellite data, what is the slope of the line? Now run one across the bottoms temps of the satellite data. What is the slope of the line?
As for your other charts, until I see the source of each, something a bit better than Kellercitylimits.com, I will regard them as gigo.
Don't fear the truth old timer.
And if you wish to now utilize the lesser sun activity and ocean trends as the primary cause of the global cooling, would not the same sources also apply for warming trends - so the sun and the oceans actually play a far more significant role than humankind regarding impacts upon earth's climate?
Regardless, as for now, the earth is cooling...
You cannot create a trend based on two-three years of cooling. What happens after it cools?
You cannot create a trend based on two-three years of cooling. What happens after it cools?
Two or three years?
Go back to the kiddie pool kid...
Name calling now?
It would appear you are realizing your own demise per this subject of global warming...er, cooling..., er climate change....
You stated the earth had cooled recently due to low sunspot activity. You/Chris also remarked the sunspot activity was at its lowest in 80 years - but 80 years ago, the earth was in a warming trend.
Just trying to follow your path of logic - or lack thereof.
Get real. We are far warmer than we were in the '30s. And we are at a solar minimum, and had a La nina. Yet most of the last four years have ranked in the top ten of the last 150 years for heat.
Simply not true - at least utilizing the US temp records, which are the most accurate due to numbers of stations. You are aware of the data infill that takes place with the historical global temp data, yes?
I suggest you educate yourself far more on this subject - you persist in spouting long-dismissed falsities as fact and your reputation continues to be the worse for it...
Here is some Greenland data: (since the global warmers are so concerned with Greenland's ice melting and causing the seas to rise)
The 1930s and 1940s were warmer than present time - considerably so.
Same goes for the Arctic:
Now let us turn to the United States temp. data specifically. This data was quietly revised after faults had been discovered in its tabulations - faults that incorrectly placed 1998 as the warmest recorded year in the US records. You see, it is far more difficult to infill temp data with the US records as there remains an abundance of surface temp station data for over 100 years. (though such infill and trending takes place - most recently by NOAA which showed significant discrepancies when compared to NASA data) Just like the more recent and accurate satellite temp data from 1979 to present is far more difficult to manipulate - data that shows we are hardly warmer now than 1979 when the earth was coming out of a cold spell.
6 of the top 10 warmest years of US temps were prior to 1960. Four of the top 10 were in the 1930s - twice as much as any other decade.
These facts are shown clearly in the following graph, which does not even account for the cooling of the most recent decade - here we see that 1998 - the oft repeated high point of the global warmers, was far less warm than many periods prior to 1950:
And when adding the most recent yearly temp data, we now see the clearly downward trend...
Global temps are in decline as well...
And the all-important and far more accurate satellite data...
Get real. We are far warmer than we were in the '30s. And we are at a solar minimum, and had a La nina. Yet most of the last four years have ranked in the top ten of the last 150 years for heat.
Simply not true - at least utilizing the US temp records, which are the most accurate due to numbers of stations. You are aware of the data infill that takes place with the historical global temp data, yes?
I suggest you educate yourself far more on this subject - you persist in spouting long-dismissed falsities as fact and your reputation continues to be the worse for it...
Here is some Greenland data: (since the global warmers are so concerned with Greenland's ice melting and causing the seas to rise)
The 1930s and 1940s were warmer than present time - considerably so.
Same goes for the Arctic:
Now let us turn to the United States temp. data specifically. This data was quietly revised after faults had been discovered in its tabulations - faults that incorrectly placed 1998 as the warmest recorded year in the US records. You see, it is far more difficult to infill temp data with the US records as there remains an abundance of surface temp station data for over 100 years. (though such infill and trending takes place - most recently by NOAA which showed significant discrepancies when compared to NASA data) Just like the more recent and accurate satellite temp data from 1979 to present is far more difficult to manipulate - data that shows we are hardly warmer now than 1979 when the earth was coming out of a cold spell.
6 of the top 10 warmest years of US temps were prior to 1960. Four of the top 10 were in the 1930s - twice as much as any other decade.
These facts are shown clearly in the following graph, which does not even account for the cooling of the most recent decade - here we see that 1998 - the oft repeated high point of the global warmers, was far less warm than many periods prior to 1950:
And when adding the most recent yearly temp data, we now see the clearly downward trend...
Global temps are in decline as well...
And the all-important and far more accurate satellite data...
For the little fella who made claims of only a "two or three year trend".
It would appear far more years than that pard...
You cannot create a trend based on two-three years of cooling. What happens after it cools?
Two or three years?
Go back to the kiddie pool kid...
Um, I was using your "cooling earth" chart as a focal point regarding your claim the earth is cooling. It appears the earth is cooling, but only since 2007, hence 2-3 years. granted, it's showing that the IPCC estimate may be incorrect, but I would like more methodology on their data and their organization, scienceandpublicpolicy.org
As for your tropospheric temperature chart, sure, geologically, it appears to be cooling, as a comparison to the Tertiary, with the exception being the little ice ages.
Also, what is the next chart, regarding the PDO index? Do you know what that is? without using google?
For your graph from Joe D'Aleo, did you know that most of his funding comes from Exxon/Mobil? Interesting that a climatologist who denies global warming is funded by an oil producer. Can you find me a more fair and balanced source?
Also, your last chart regarding sunspot activity has nothing to do with temperature. I see sunspot activity, but no temperature readings.
I rule the kiddy pool.
Two or three years?
Go back to the kiddie pool kid...
Um, I was using your "cooling earth" chart as a focal point regarding your claim the earth is cooling. It appears the earth is cooling, but only since 2007, hence 2-3 years. granted, it's showing that the IPCC estimate may be incorrect, but I would like more methodology on their data and their organization, scienceandpublicpolicy.org
As for your tropospheric temperature chart, sure, geologically, it appears to be cooling, as a comparison to the Tertiary, with the exception being the little ice ages.
Also, what is the next chart, regarding the PDO index? Do you know what that is? without using google?
For your graph from Joe D'Aleo, did you know that most of his funding comes from Exxon/Mobil? Interesting that a climatologist who denies global warming is funded by an oil producer. Can you find me a more fair and balanced source?
Also, your last chart regarding sunspot activity has nothing to do with temperature. I see sunspot activity, but no temperature readings.
I rule the kiddy pool.
Below is a link to an interesting article that exposes the fallacy of the land based measure of temperature accuracy. The number of stations with consistantly complete data over the years outside of the former British Empire, especially the USA is virtually non existant.
The areas with no stations and therefore estimates is well over half the globe. Within this relative void of data, the data that is available is massaged by people who are ardent proponents of AGW.
The satelite data is complete, homogenized and in opposition to the conclusions of the Ground stations boiled down conclusions.
Who ya gonna trust? Scientists with a world view using the latest technology or scientists using the state of the art methods popular in 1880?
GISS Divergence with satellite temperatures since the start of 2003 « Watts Up With That?
Hey dingbat, look at the chart. The sun is at a very low period of activity right now, yet look at where we are on that chart.
Name calling now?
It would appear you are realizing your own demise per this subject of global warming...er, cooling..., er climate change....
You stated the earth had cooled recently due to low sunspot activity. You/Chris also remarked the sunspot activity was at its lowest in 80 years - but 80 years ago, the earth was in a warming trend.
Just trying to follow your path of logic - or lack thereof.
Get real. We are far warmer than we were in the '30s. And we are at a solar minimum, and had a La nina. Yet most of the last four years have ranked in the top ten of the last 150 years for heat.
Name calling now?
It would appear you are realizing your own demise per this subject of global warming...er, cooling..., er climate change....
You stated the earth had cooled recently due to low sunspot activity. You/Chris also remarked the sunspot activity was at its lowest in 80 years - but 80 years ago, the earth was in a warming trend.
Just trying to follow your path of logic - or lack thereof.
Get real. We are far warmer than we were in the '30s. And we are at a solar minimum, and had a La nina. Yet most of the last four years have ranked in the top ten of the last 150 years for heat.
Actually, we haven't had a La Nina in about a year and to be honest, the La Nina we recently had wasn't all that strong.
Climate Prediction Center - Monitoring & Data: ENSO Impacts on the U.S. - Previous Events
We're not warmer today than we are in the 1930s or we'd be breaking records set in the 1930s every day.
In addition, the tools and methods we used to measure the number of hurricanes, the amount of snow, number of tornadoes, etc. has greatly improved since the 1930s. So if 20 hurricanes formed in the 1930s and none of them hit land, we'd say it was a pretty quiet season, right? The problem is, we have NO idea what's been out there really since the 1960s. We're still re-evaluating Andrew and other hurricanes that hit less than 20 years ago because the tools we have today are far more accurate than they were 20 years ago. So to say that our weather is different today than it was 80 years ago is a falsehood - it's like a blind man trying to interpret art back in the 1930s and today it's like a man with genetically engineered eyes.
For the little fella who made claims of only a "two or three year trend".
It would appear far more years than that pard...
Get real. We are far warmer than we were in the '30s. And we are at a solar minimum, and had a La nina. Yet most of the last four years have ranked in the top ten of the last 150 years for heat.
Actually, we haven't had a La Nina in about a year and to be honest, the La Nina we recently had wasn't all that strong.
Climate Prediction Center - Monitoring & Data: ENSO Impacts on the U.S. - Previous Events
We're not warmer today than we are in the 1930s or we'd be breaking records set in the 1930s every day.
In addition, the tools and methods we used to measure the number of hurricanes, the amount of snow, number of tornadoes, etc. has greatly improved since the 1930s. So if 20 hurricanes formed in the 1930s and none of them hit land, we'd say it was a pretty quiet season, right? The problem is, we have NO idea what's been out there really since the 1960s. We're still re-evaluating Andrew and other hurricanes that hit less than 20 years ago because the tools we have today are far more accurate than they were 20 years ago. So to say that our weather is different today than it was 80 years ago is a falsehood - it's like a blind man trying to interpret art back in the 1930s and today it's like a man with genetically engineered eyes.
According to every peice of data that I have seen, the world as a whole is far warmer than it was in the 1930s. In fact, there is not one year of the past decade that is cooler than any single year in the '30s. Not on land, not on the ocean.
NOAA Paleoclimatology Global Warming - The Data
The Modern Temperature Trend
Temperature curves global last 1000 years, 140 years and Africa last 100 years. | UNEP/GRID-Arendal - Publications - Vital Climate Graphics Africa
Get real. We are far warmer than we were in the '30s. And we are at a solar minimum, and had a La nina. Yet most of the last four years have ranked in the top ten of the last 150 years for heat.
Actually, we haven't had a La Nina in about a year and to be honest, the La Nina we recently had wasn't all that strong.
Climate Prediction Center - Monitoring & Data: ENSO Impacts on the U.S. - Previous Events
We're not warmer today than we are in the 1930s or we'd be breaking records set in the 1930s every day.
In addition, the tools and methods we used to measure the number of hurricanes, the amount of snow, number of tornadoes, etc. has greatly improved since the 1930s. So if 20 hurricanes formed in the 1930s and none of them hit land, we'd say it was a pretty quiet season, right? The problem is, we have NO idea what's been out there really since the 1960s. We're still re-evaluating Andrew and other hurricanes that hit less than 20 years ago because the tools we have today are far more accurate than they were 20 years ago. So to say that our weather is different today than it was 80 years ago is a falsehood - it's like a blind man trying to interpret art back in the 1930s and today it's like a man with genetically engineered eyes.
According to every peice of data that I have seen, the world as a whole is far warmer than it was in the 1930s. In fact, there is not one year of the past decade that is cooler than any single year in the '30s. Not on land, not on the ocean.
NOAA Paleoclimatology Global Warming - The Data
The Modern Temperature Trend
Temperature curves global last 1000 years, 140 years and Africa last 100 years. | UNEP/GRID-Arendal - Publications - Vital Climate Graphics Africa
Actually, we haven't had a La Nina in about a year and to be honest, the La Nina we recently had wasn't all that strong.
Climate Prediction Center - Monitoring & Data: ENSO Impacts on the U.S. - Previous Events
We're not warmer today than we are in the 1930s or we'd be breaking records set in the 1930s every day.
In addition, the tools and methods we used to measure the number of hurricanes, the amount of snow, number of tornadoes, etc. has greatly improved since the 1930s. So if 20 hurricanes formed in the 1930s and none of them hit land, we'd say it was a pretty quiet season, right? The problem is, we have NO idea what's been out there really since the 1960s. We're still re-evaluating Andrew and other hurricanes that hit less than 20 years ago because the tools we have today are far more accurate than they were 20 years ago. So to say that our weather is different today than it was 80 years ago is a falsehood - it's like a blind man trying to interpret art back in the 1930s and today it's like a man with genetically engineered eyes.
According to every peice of data that I have seen, the world as a whole is far warmer than it was in the 1930s. In fact, there is not one year of the past decade that is cooler than any single year in the '30s. Not on land, not on the ocean.
NOAA Paleoclimatology Global Warming - The Data
The Modern Temperature Trend
Temperature curves global last 1000 years, 140 years and Africa last 100 years. | UNEP/GRID-Arendal - Publications - Vital Climate Graphics Africa
The world as a whole didn't have any way to measure global temperatures in the 1930s. You really think Nazi Germany and Japan sent the US their temperatures to us?
COME ON. This is all complete bullshit.
The real way to gague global warming is through SSTs, NOT land temperatures.
What I mean by that is: Is NYC warmer today than it was in the 1600s? OF COURSE IT IS! There's a few billion pounds of concrete which absorbs heat and doesn't let it go.
How many other cities around the country have more concrete today than they did in the 1930s?
Look at SSTs - there is where you'll find your trend... or lack thereof.
