Lifestyle-Marriage Equality Slugout: State Authority vs Federal?

I've read the 56 references in Windsor to states' power in redefining marriage & I believe...

  • SCOTUS will have marriage equality for all mandated federally after this year's Hearing.

    Votes: 7 63.6%
  • SCOTUS will have marriage equality for just same-sex marriage mandated federally after this year.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • SCOTUS will simply reaffirm Windsor & keep the regulation of which lifestyles may marry to states.

    Votes: 4 36.4%

  • Total voters
    11
did you miss it?
There is no Appeal to Ignorance of the law as enumerated in Article 4, Section 2 upon appeal to the general government and that Body of laws.
And what of ignorance of the voice of children (who cannot vote to affect their future) in the marriage discussion. Did you miss that?

FROM THE PRINCE'S TRUST STUDY: http://www.princes-trust.org.uk/pdf/Youth_Index_jan2011.pdf
Page 8 (the left side on the green background)
In addition to indexing the happiness and wellbeing of young people, the report explores some significant demographic differences between young people. They include a comparison between those not in education employment or training with their peers...those without a positive role model of their gender in their lives (women without a positive female role model and men without a positive male role model) and their peers...those with fewer than five GCSEs graded A* to C (or equivalent) with their peers... Respondents are asked how happy and confident they are in different areas of their life. The responses are converted to a numerical scale, resulting in a number out of 100-- with 100 representing entirely happy or confident and zero being not at all happy or confident.
Page 10 (The bold largest heading above the material that followed it)
Young people without a role model of the same gender in their lives

Teens without parent role model are 67 per cent less likely to get a job Daily Mail Online

Young men with no male role models in their lives and women without a mother figure struggle to keep their lives on track, a hard-hitting report warns today. The Prince’s Trust youth index, the largest survey of its kind, found that....67 per cent more likely to be unemployed than their counterparts. They are also significantly more likely to stay unemployed for longer than their peers, the report suggests....It found that young men with no male role model are 50 per cent more likely to abuse drugs and young females in the corresponding position are significantly more likely to drink to excess..
Young men with no male role model to look up to were twice as likely to turn or consider turning to crime as a result of being unemployed...The report, which was based on interviews with 2,170 16 to 25-year-olds...These young men are also three times more likely to feel down or depressed all of the time and significantly more likely to admit that they cannot remember the last time they felt proud...They are also significantly less likely to feel happy and confident than those with male role models, according to the figures....The Prince’s Trust report, which was carried out by YouGov, suggests young people without male role models are more than twice as likely to lack a sense of belonging.

The Prince Trust Study never even mentions same sex parenting, let alone measures the effects of any type of parenting. There are over a dozen studies that directly address the effects of same sex parenting on children. And they have found that these children are as healthy and well adjusted as those raised by hetero parents.

You ignore every such study. No court ever would.

Worse, the court has already found that children of same sex parents are damaged by their parents not being married:

And it humiliates tens of thousands of children now being raised by same-sex couples. The law in question makes it even more difficult for the children to understand the integrity and closeness of their own family and its concord with other families in their community and in their daily lives....

....DOMA also brings financial harm to children of same-sex couples. It raises the cost of health care for families by taxing health benefits provided by employers to their workers’ same-sex spouses And it denies or reduces benefits allowed to families upon the loss of a spouse and parent, benefits that are an integral part of family security.

Windsor V. US

You can ignore the harm to children that the courts have clearly recognized in the denial of same sex marriage. But you can't make the court ignore them.
 
We are not Sparta, Individuals have rights and a Ninth Amendment, and its State equivalents.

Do you consider children as "individuals"?

Are you aware they cannot vote to affect their condition?

Have you read the Prince's Trust study on over 2,000 young adult/children who were self reporting on their condition from not having a role model in their life of their same gender?

http://www.princes-trust.org.uk/pdf/Youth_Index_jan2011.pdf

Teens without parent role model are 67 per cent less likely to get a job Daily Mail Online

Skylar likes to say "such and such is so"...but then bever backs it up with links or facts.

I do:

Page 8 (the left side on the green background)
In addition to indexing the happiness and wellbeing of young people, the report explores some significant demographic differences between young people. They include a comparison between those not in education employment or training with their peers...those without a positive role model of their gender in their lives (women without a positive female role model and men without a positive male role model) and their peers...those with fewer than five GCSEs graded A* to C (or equivalent) with their peers... Respondents are asked how happy and confident they are in different areas of their life. The responses are converted to a numerical scale, resulting in a number out of 100-- with 100 representing entirely happy or confident and zero being not at all happy or confident.
Page 10 (The bold largest heading above the material that followed it)
Young people without a role model of the same gender in their lives
The Daily Mail article from the Prince's Trust study...
Young men with no male role models in their lives and women without a mother figure struggle to keep their lives on track, a hard-hitting report warns today. The Prince’s Trust youth index, the largest survey of its kind, found that....67 per cent more likely to be unemployed than their counterparts. They are also significantly more likely to stay unemployed for longer than their peers, the report suggests....It found that young men with no male role model are 50 per cent more likely to abuse drugs and young females in the corresponding position are significantly more likely to drink to excess..
Young men with no male role model to look up to were twice as likely to turn or consider turning to crime as a result of being unemployed...The report, which was based on interviews with 2,170 16 to 25-year-olds...These young men are also three times more likely to feel down or depressed all of the time and significantly more likely to admit that they cannot remember the last time they felt proud...They are also significantly less likely to feel happy and confident than those with male role models, according to the figures....The Prince’s Trust report, which was carried out by YouGov, suggests young people without male role models are more than twice as likely to lack a sense of belonging.
 
We are not Sparta, Individuals have rights and a Ninth Amendment, and its State equivalents.

Do you consider children as "individuals"?

Are you aware they cannot vote to affect their condition?

Have you read the Prince's Trust study on over 2,000 young adult/children who were self reporting on their condition from not having a role model in their life of their same gender?

http://www.princes-trust.org.uk/pdf/Youth_Index_jan2011.pdf

Teens without parent role model are 67 per cent less likely to get a job Daily Mail Online

The Prince's Trust does not study same-sex parents nor does it even mention same-sex parents. If your position was so compelling you would have not to misrepresent this study as often as you do.
 
Skylar likes to say "such and such is so"...but then bever backs it up with links or facts.

Now that's an outright lie, Silo. And you know it. I've posted link after link to study after study that affirms that the children of same sex parents are as healthy as those from hetero parents.

And in this very thread:


Where every one of these studies was displayed for anyone was interested:

Children of same-sex parents have above average health and wellbeing, research by the University of Melbourne shows.

The research was based on data from the Australian Study of Child Health in Same-Sex Families, which involved input from 315 same-sex parents and a total of 500 children. Of these participating families, 80 percent had female parents while 18 percent had male parents.

"It appears that same-sex parent families get along well and this has a positive impact on health," said Dr Simon Crouch from the Jack Brockhoff Child Health and Wellbeing Program, Centre for Health Equity at the University of Melbourne.

Children of same sex parents healthier Study

And again...

Most research studies show that children with two moms or two dads fare just as well as children with heterosexual parents. In fact, one comprehensive study of children raised by lesbian mothers or gay fathers concluded that children raised by same-sex parents did not differ from other children in terms of emotional functioning, sexual orientation, stigmatization, gender role behavior, behavioral adjustment, gender identity, learning and grade point averages. Where research differences have been found, they have sometimes favored same-sex parents. For example, adolescents with same-sex parents reported feeling more connected at school. Another study reported that children in gay and lesbian households are more likely to talk about emotionally difficult topics, and they are often more resilient, compassionate and tolerant.

Same-sex Parents and Their Children

And again....

"The vast consensus of all the studies shows that children of same-sex parents do as well as children whose parents are heterosexual in every way," she tells WebMD. "In some ways children of same-sex parents actually may have advantages over other family structures.....

...."Some studies showed that single heterosexual parents' children have more difficulties than children who have parents of the same sex," Perrin says. "They did better in discipline, self-esteem, and had less psychosocial difficulties at home and at school."

Kids Of Same-Sex Parents Do Fine - CBS News

And again...

One area the researchers found no differences in was the mental health of children or their quality of relationship with parents. Children brought up by lesbians and gay men are well-adjusted, have good levels of self-esteem and are as likely to have high educational attainments as children raised in more traditional heterosexual families.

“Levels of anxiety, depression, self-esteem and other measures of social and psychological behaviors were generally similar,” Biblarz said. “While all children probably get teased for one thing or another, children with gay parents may experience a higher degree of teasing and ridicule. It is impressive then that their psychological well-being and social adjustment does not significantly differ, on average, from that of children in comparable heterosexual-parent families. Exploring how lesbian and gay parent families help children cope with stigma could prove helpful to all kinds of families.”

Sociology Study examines gender roles of children with gay parents USC News

All of which you've seen. All of which I've presented. And all of which you just lied your ass off about. If your claims had actual merit, you wouldn't have needed to lie to support them.

No, you don't. As the Prince Trust Study never once mentions same sex parenting nor measures the effects of any kind of parenting.

While ever study I've cited does.

You lose again.
 
Yeah Skylar...about those APA-approved studies...you always forget to remind the general public about the new way the APA "encourages" it's affiliates and funded "researchers" to do "science"...

"Consensual Qualitative Research: A Practical Resource for Investigating Social Science Phenomena...consensual qualitative research (CQR). CQR is an 1 inductive method that is characterized by 2 open-ended interview questions, 3 small samples, a 4 reliance on words over numbers, the importance of context, an integration of multiple viewpoints, and consensus of the research team Consensual Qualitative Research A Practical Resource for Investigating Social Science Phenomena

The Prince's Trust survey, the largest of its kind, self-reported from kids no longer in the home (if you care about such things as size of surveys or numbers over words), wasn't funded or affiliated with the APA and any of its many tentacles in "the medical/science world"..
 
did you miss it?
There is no Appeal to Ignorance of the law as enumerated in Article 4, Section 2 upon appeal to the general government and that Body of laws.
And what of ignorance of the voice of children (who cannot vote to affect their future) in the marriage discussion. Did you miss that?

Justice Kennedy is concerned about the voice of children in the marriage discussion:

"There is an immediate legal injury and that's the voice of these children," he said. "There's some 40,000 children in California, according to the Red Brief, that live with same-sex parents, and they want their parents to have full recognition and full status. The voice of those children is important in this case, don't you think?"
We are not Sparta, Individuals have rights and a Ninth Amendment, and its State equivalents.

I am sure that Justice Kennedy will take Sparta into account

Justice Kennedy is concerned about the voice of children in the marriage discussion:

"There is an immediate legal injury and that's the voice of these children," he said. "There's some 40,000 children in California, according to the Red Brief, that live with same-sex parents, and they want their parents to have full recognition and full status. The voice of those children is important in this case, don't you think?"
 
Ok. My view is that supply side economics should be supplying us with better governance at lower cost, not "trickle down".

We could be lowering our Tax burden merely by having more Faith in the execution of our own laws.

The current frivolity in legal venues on the Peoples' of the various States' dime, is an egregious example.

There is no Appeal to Ignorance of the law as enumerated in Article 4, Section 2 upon appeal to the general government and that Body of laws.

What does that have to do with the topic of legal marriage for same gender couples?
did you miss it?

There is no Appeal to Ignorance of the law as enumerated in Article 4, Section 2 upon appeal to the general government and that Body of laws.
What does that have to do with the topic of legal marriage for same gender couples?
are you sure you have a clue or a Cause as to the underlying issues?

If you do not want to be understood- then you are trolling.

If you want to be understood you need to make an effort to explain your concepts.

If you don't- you are just trolling.
 
Justice Kennedy is concerned about the voice of children in the marriage discussion:

"There is an immediate legal injury and that's the voice of these children," he said. "There's some 40,000 children in California, according to the Red Brief, that live with same-sex parents, and they want their parents to have full recognition and full status. The voice of those children is important in this case, don't you think?"

You're clinging to that like an addict to her crack pipe in the face of the Prince's Trust study. If Kennedy reads that study, how do you think his concerns about children in general will fall in light of that new information to him?

Syriusly is spamming again...the Prince's Trust study and the CQR method and link are rattling the crap out of her.
 
Justice Kennedy is concerned about the voice of children in the marriage discussion:

"There is an immediate legal injury and that's the voice of these children," he said. "There's some 40,000 children in California, according to the Red Brief, that live with same-sex parents, and they want their parents to have full recognition and full status. The voice of those children is important in this case, don't you think?"

You're clinging to that like an addict to her crack pipe in the face of the Prince's Trust study. If Kennedy reads that study, how do you think his concerns about children in general will fall in light of that new information to him?

Kennedy will not be reading an irrelevant and outdated study- because
a) No one other than yourself is stupid enough to think that it is relevant and
b) The court only refers to documents submitted to the court.

Justice Kennedy made a very good point- and you just want to ignore it- but Kennedy won't when he considers marriage:

Justice Kennedy is concerned about the voice of children in the marriage discussion:

"There is an immediate legal injury and that's the voice of these children," he said. "There's some 40,000 children in California, according to the Red Brief, that live with same-sex parents, and they want their parents to have full recognition and full status. The voice of those children is important in this case, don't you think?"
 
Hey...Syriusly spammed to a new page..she's a little skittish that someone might read what we were talking about before...where were we...oh....right..
We are not Sparta, Individuals have rights and a Ninth Amendment, and its State equivalents.

Do you consider children as "individuals"?

Are you aware they cannot vote to affect their condition?

Have you read the Prince's Trust study on over 2,000 young adult/children who were self reporting on their condition from not having a role model in their life of their same gender?

http://www.princes-trust.org.uk/pdf/Youth_Index_jan2011.pdf

Teens without parent role model are 67 per cent less likely to get a job Daily Mail Online

Skylar likes to say "such and such is so"...but then bever backs it up with links or facts.

I do:

Page 8 (the left side on the green background)
In addition to indexing the happiness and wellbeing of young people, the report explores some significant demographic differences between young people. They include a comparison between those not in education employment or training with their peers...those without a positive role model of their gender in their lives (women without a positive female role model and men without a positive male role model) and their peers...those with fewer than five GCSEs graded A* to C (or equivalent) with their peers... Respondents are asked how happy and confident they are in different areas of their life. The responses are converted to a numerical scale, resulting in a number out of 100-- with 100 representing entirely happy or confident and zero being not at all happy or confident.
Page 10 (The bold largest heading above the material that followed it)
Young people without a role model of the same gender in their lives
The Daily Mail article from the Prince's Trust study...
Young men with no male role models in their lives and women without a mother figure struggle to keep their lives on track, a hard-hitting report warns today. The Prince’s Trust youth index, the largest survey of its kind, found that....67 per cent more likely to be unemployed than their counterparts. They are also significantly more likely to stay unemployed for longer than their peers, the report suggests....It found that young men with no male role model are 50 per cent more likely to abuse drugs and young females in the corresponding position are significantly more likely to drink to excess..
Young men with no male role model to look up to were twice as likely to turn or consider turning to crime as a result of being unemployed...The report, which was based on interviews with 2,170 16 to 25-year-olds...These young men are also three times more likely to feel down or depressed all of the time and significantly more likely to admit that they cannot remember the last time they felt proud...They are also significantly less likely to feel happy and confident than those with male role models, according to the figures....The Prince’s Trust report, which was carried out by YouGov, suggests young people without male role models are more than twice as likely to lack a sense of belonging.

As to Skylar's "rebutting studies"...

Skylar...about those APA-approved studies...you always forget to remind the general public about the new way the APA "encourages" it's affiliates and funded "researchers" to do "science"...
"Consensual Qualitative Research: A Practical Resource for Investigating Social Science Phenomena...consensual qualitative research (CQR). CQR is an 1 inductive method that is characterized by 2 open-ended interview questions, 3 small samples, a 4 reliance on words over numbers, the importance of context, an integration of multiple viewpoints, and consensus of the research team Consensual Qualitative Research A Practical Resource for Investigating Social Science Phenomena
The Prince's Trust survey, the largest of its kind, self-reported from kids no longer in the home (if you care about such things as size of surveys or numbers over words), wasn't funded or affiliated with the APA and any of its many tentacles in "the medical/science world"..
 
Yeah Skylar...about those APA-approved studies...you always forget to remind the general public about the new way the APA "encourages" it's affiliates and funded "researchers" to do "science"...

So I "never provide any facts or links". Accept that I do, did, and you lied about it. Now that you were proven to be lying, you're giving us reasons to ignore the very studies you insisted I never presented.

With your reason being utter nonsense of course, as you ignore any study, of any sample size from any source. Of the sources I cited, only one was citing APA sources.

One was a University of Melbourne Study. Not even this country, let alone the American Psychiatric Association.

You ignored it for no reason.

Another was a University of Southern California study.

You ignored it for no reason.

Another finding from the American Association of Marriage and Family Therapy .

You ignored it for no reason.


You ignore any source, of any sample size, from any country, organization or university....if it contradicts your argument. No rational person ever would.

And no court ever will.
 
Skylar likes to say "such and such is so"...but then bever backs it up with links or facts.

Why repeat the lie? I just cited the very studies you claim I've never linked to. Anyone can see them. Anyone can follow the links and review the original sources.

And yet in defiance of all reason, you lie about that again. Why? What possible purpose could be served save your burning through your own credibility?


No, you don't nor ever have. The Prince Trust study doesn't measure same sex parenting, or even mention. You do, citing yourself. And you're nobody.

You've never cited a single study that found that same sex parenting had a detrimental effect on children. While I've presented numerous studies from disparate sources all confirming that no such harm occurs. And that children raised in same sex households are as healthy as those raised in hetero households.

You simply ignore them all. And the laughably, insist that they don't exist. If only reality worked that way. And of course, the courts have already found that denying same sex parents the right to marry harms their children:

"And it humiliates tens of thousands of children now being raised by same-sex couples. The law in question makes it even more difficult for the children to understand the integrity and closeness of their own family and its concord with other families in their community and in their daily lives....

.....DOMA also brings financial harm to children of same-sex couples. It raises the cost of health care for familiesby taxing health benefits provided by employers to their workers’ same-sex spouses. And it denies or re-duces benefits allowed to families upon the loss of a spouseand parent, benefits that are an integral part of family security"

Windsor v US

Exactly opposite of your claims. You can ignore the courts, but you can't make the court ignore itself.
 
did you miss it?
There is no Appeal to Ignorance of the law as enumerated in Article 4, Section 2 upon appeal to the general government and that Body of laws.
And what of ignorance of the voice of children (who cannot vote to affect their future) in the marriage discussion. Did you miss that?

FROM THE PRINCE'S TRUST STUDY: http://www.princes-trust.org.uk/pdf/Youth_Index_jan2011.pdf
Page 8 (the left side on the green background)
In addition to indexing the happiness and wellbeing of young people, the report explores some significant demographic differences between young people. They include a comparison between those not in education employment or training with their peers...those without a positive role model of their gender in their lives (women without a positive female role model and men without a positive male role model) and their peers...those with fewer than five GCSEs graded A* to C (or equivalent) with their peers... Respondents are asked how happy and confident they are in different areas of their life. The responses are converted to a numerical scale, resulting in a number out of 100-- with 100 representing entirely happy or confident and zero being not at all happy or confident.
Page 10 (The bold largest heading above the material that followed it)
Young people without a role model of the same gender in their lives

Teens without parent role model are 67 per cent less likely to get a job Daily Mail Online

Young men with no male role models in their lives and women without a mother figure struggle to keep their lives on track, a hard-hitting report warns today. The Prince’s Trust youth index, the largest survey of its kind, found that....67 per cent more likely to be unemployed than their counterparts. They are also significantly more likely to stay unemployed for longer than their peers, the report suggests....It found that young men with no male role model are 50 per cent more likely to abuse drugs and young females in the corresponding position are significantly more likely to drink to excess..
Young men with no male role model to look up to were twice as likely to turn or consider turning to crime as a result of being unemployed...The report, which was based on interviews with 2,170 16 to 25-year-olds...These young men are also three times more likely to feel down or depressed all of the time and significantly more likely to admit that they cannot remember the last time they felt proud...They are also significantly less likely to feel happy and confident than those with male role models, according to the figures....The Prince’s Trust report, which was carried out by YouGov, suggests young people without male role models are more than twice as likely to lack a sense of belonging.

The Prince Trust Study never even mentions same sex parenting, let alone measures the effects of any type of parenting. There are over a dozen studies that directly address the effects of same sex parenting on children. And they have found that these children are as healthy and well adjusted as those raised by hetero parents.

You ignore every such study. No court ever would.

Worse, the court has already found that children of same sex parents are damaged by their parents not being married:

And it humiliates tens of thousands of children now being raised by same-sex couples. The law in question makes it even more difficult for the children to understand the integrity and closeness of their own family and its concord with other families in their community and in their daily lives....

....DOMA also brings financial harm to children of same-sex couples. It raises the cost of health care for families by taxing health benefits provided by employers to their workers’ same-sex spouses And it denies or reduces benefits allowed to families upon the loss of a spouse and parent, benefits that are an integral part of family security.

Windsor V. US

You can ignore the harm to children that the courts have clearly recognized in the denial of same sex marriage. But you can't make the court ignore them.
Natural rights trump the collectivism of social studies, for the citizens in the several States. We have a First Amendment that secures freedom of association.
 
We are not Sparta, Individuals have rights and a Ninth Amendment, and its State equivalents.

Do you consider children as "individuals"?

Are you aware they cannot vote to affect their condition?

Have you read the Prince's Trust study on over 2,000 young adult/children who were self reporting on their condition from not having a role model in their life of their same gender?

http://www.princes-trust.org.uk/pdf/Youth_Index_jan2011.pdf

Teens without parent role model are 67 per cent less likely to get a job Daily Mail Online

Skylar likes to say "such and such is so"...but then bever backs it up with links or facts.

I do:

Page 8 (the left side on the green background)
In addition to indexing the happiness and wellbeing of young people, the report explores some significant demographic differences between young people. They include a comparison between those not in education employment or training with their peers...those without a positive role model of their gender in their lives (women without a positive female role model and men without a positive male role model) and their peers...those with fewer than five GCSEs graded A* to C (or equivalent) with their peers... Respondents are asked how happy and confident they are in different areas of their life. The responses are converted to a numerical scale, resulting in a number out of 100-- with 100 representing entirely happy or confident and zero being not at all happy or confident.
Page 10 (The bold largest heading above the material that followed it)
Young people without a role model of the same gender in their lives
The Daily Mail article from the Prince's Trust study...
Young men with no male role models in their lives and women without a mother figure struggle to keep their lives on track, a hard-hitting report warns today. The Prince’s Trust youth index, the largest survey of its kind, found that....67 per cent more likely to be unemployed than their counterparts. They are also significantly more likely to stay unemployed for longer than their peers, the report suggests....It found that young men with no male role model are 50 per cent more likely to abuse drugs and young females in the corresponding position are significantly more likely to drink to excess..
Young men with no male role model to look up to were twice as likely to turn or consider turning to crime as a result of being unemployed...The report, which was based on interviews with 2,170 16 to 25-year-olds...These young men are also three times more likely to feel down or depressed all of the time and significantly more likely to admit that they cannot remember the last time they felt proud...They are also significantly less likely to feel happy and confident than those with male role models, according to the figures....The Prince’s Trust report, which was carried out by YouGov, suggests young people without male role models are more than twice as likely to lack a sense of belonging.

Minors are Individuals in the custody of their Parent and Adults.
 
Ok. My view is that supply side economics should be supplying us with better governance at lower cost, not "trickle down".

We could be lowering our Tax burden merely by having more Faith in the execution of our own laws.

The current frivolity in legal venues on the Peoples' of the various States' dime, is an egregious example.

There is no Appeal to Ignorance of the law as enumerated in Article 4, Section 2 upon appeal to the general government and that Body of laws.

What does that have to do with the topic of legal marriage for same gender couples?
did you miss it?

There is no Appeal to Ignorance of the law as enumerated in Article 4, Section 2 upon appeal to the general government and that Body of laws.
What does that have to do with the topic of legal marriage for same gender couples?
are you sure you have a clue or a Cause as to the underlying issues?

If you do not want to be understood- then you are trolling.

If you want to be understood you need to make an effort to explain your concepts.

If you don't- you are just trolling.
I don't have to troll simply because I have a clue and a Cause.

There is no Appeal to Ignorance of the law as enumerated in Article 4, Section 2 upon appeal to the general government and that Body of laws.
 
What does that have to do with the topic of legal marriage for same gender couples?
did you miss it?

There is no Appeal to Ignorance of the law as enumerated in Article 4, Section 2 upon appeal to the general government and that Body of laws.
What does that have to do with the topic of legal marriage for same gender couples?
are you sure you have a clue or a Cause as to the underlying issues?

If you do not want to be understood- then you are trolling.

If you want to be understood you need to make an effort to explain your concepts.

If you don't- you are just trolling.
I don't have to troll simply because I have a clue and a Cause.

There is no Appeal to Ignorance of the law as enumerated in Article 4, Section 2 upon appeal to the general government and that Body of laws.
If you do not want to be understood- then you are trolling.

If you want to be understood you need to make an effort to explain your concepts.

If you don't- you are just trolling.
 
Drop the act Syriusly. Danielpalos is your new thread spamming/disappearing partner. It's obvious.
Minors are Individuals in the custody of their Parent and Adults.

If that were true, family law courts wouldn't exist. The truth is that society has many many laws and statutes governing the wellbeing of children from birth until the day they are emancipated. Their formative years receive the highest legal priority of stewardship.
 

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