Let’s Arm Teachers. Yeah, That’s a Peachy Idea (Eye Roll)

[DigitalDrifter]

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Whenever a mass shooting occurs, the first words out of the mouths of conservatives is, “We need more guns in the hands of civilians.” Or something like it.

It’s that unreasonable conservative mind-set, that forces them to believe the fairy tale that untrained civilians know instinctively, where the gunfire is located, immediately recognize the individual(s) doing the shooting, and have the steel nerves and iron will to confront and kill the shooter(s), without hesitation or concern for their own safety.

What so often proves this unreasonable mind-set of the conservatives to be a total fantasy is the choice by trained law enforcement officers to avoid exacerbating an already uncontrolled situation. This can be seen no better than in the shooting incident last week at Florida’s Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School.

In addition to the school resource officer from the Broward County Sheriff’s office Scot Peterson, Coral Springs police officers arriving at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, found three additional Broward County Sheriff’s Deputies who had not yet entered the building.

Sadly, these four men apparently remained outside while directing Coral Springs police officers to the building where the shooting took place, even as the Coral Springs officers entered, joined by two newly arrived Broward County Deputies.

It is likely there will be a whitewash of this incident as “Sources cautioned that tapes are currently being reviewed and official accounts could ultimately differ from recollections of officers on the scene.” Gotta CYA to protect the county and themselves from the inevitable lawsuits.

But the coming whitewash aside, this again proves that “Rambo” instinct, which most conservatives are certain they posses, is a fairy tale they use to fool themselves.

As it turns out, Deputy Peterson was eligible for retirement. So one must wonder if that didn’t enter into his decision to remain outside. He had, after all, survived his career in law enforcement long enough to retire from the Sheriff’s Department. Like Peterson, the three other deputies could very well have had second thoughts, making them unsure of the results were they to rush headlong into the unknown.

Conservatives who are certain they have that “Rambo” instinct, like to think they are courageous hero-types and are capable of single-handedly saving the day. But, there is a good reason law enforcement agencies have SWAT teams. The officers who are members of these teams train and retrain regularly. They wear protective gear, have available to them fully automatic weapons, are experts in their use, and in the use of other military-style equipment.

The four experienced officers who were armed with only pistols chose caution and did not rush into the unknown situation. But, conservatives expect teachers armed only with pistols and minimal training to jump in and face killers firing their AR-15s at anything that moves.

It’s unfortunate these conservatives calling for the arming of teachers are so certain of this “Rambo” instinct. If it does exist, it does so only in a tiny, tiny percentage of regular citizens (most of whom must have death wishes).

As people of reason know, these conservatives are nothing more than “keyboard warriors”. They are brave beyond all else, but only when safely typing their attacks, anonymously. The truth is, they are too old, or too fat, or are out of shape, or too slow and crippled-up, or would freeze in fear, or any combination there of, to truly be the heroes they’ve convinced themselves they would be. They are the “Monday morning quarterbacks” of mass shooting response, and all of them would hesitate or totally freeze when called upon to weigh the threat of their own death against defending strangers. Just as the four Broward County Deputies did. No Rambos there.

As always, thoughtful comments are welcome. Unfortunately, in the conservatives' responses to this thread we can expect only their typical nonsense, denial, alternate facts, and off-topic silliness. (e.g. non-sequiturs, ratings, transference, memes, etc.), to which any reply is a waste of time.

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/02/23/politics/parkland-school-shooting-broward-deputies/index.html

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/coward-sheriffs-deputy-one-four-12079659







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Imagine your teacher is 5 foot 2 inches and weighs not very much at all, and has a gun in her pocket. Two boys come at her, one from in front, one from behind.

Is she going to get to her gun and pull it out on them? Probably not. She might. Then what? Teacher pulls gun out on students shock horror.

So she doesn't take the gun out, but one of the boys takes the gun from her, then points it at the class.

Is this really the sort of thing people want in their schools?

Texas, Utah, Oklahoma, Colorado all allow teachers to carry. 18 more allow adults who have carry permits with approval from school officials.
As far as I know, there hasn't been a scenario that you describe.

 

[Windparadox]

You don’t know who MS13 is, or you don’t know that the Mexican drug cartel has spilled over in the United States? Where do you think all these gangs get their automatic weapons? Statistucs on stolen guns used for robberies and school shootings are on a completely different scale from that of Drug Cartels and MS13.

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I posted about stolen guns. Nothing more. If you want to talk about MS-13, start your own thread. If you find out how many crimes they commit with stolen weapons, let me know as I have found no verifiable statistics specifying which criminal organizations use them.
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[frigidweirdo]

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Whenever a mass shooting occurs, the first words out of the mouths of conservatives is, “We need more guns in the hands of civilians.” Or something like it.

It’s that unreasonable conservative mind-set, that forces them to believe the fairy tale that untrained civilians know instinctively, where the gunfire is located, immediately recognize the individual(s) doing the shooting, and have the steel nerves and iron will to confront and kill the shooter(s), without hesitation or concern for their own safety.

What so often proves this unreasonable mind-set of the conservatives to be a total fantasy is the choice by trained law enforcement officers to avoid exacerbating an already uncontrolled situation. This can be seen no better than in the shooting incident last week at Florida’s Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School.

In addition to the school resource officer from the Broward County Sheriff’s office Scot Peterson, Coral Springs police officers arriving at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, found three additional Broward County Sheriff’s Deputies who had not yet entered the building.

Sadly, these four men apparently remained outside while directing Coral Springs police officers to the building where the shooting took place, even as the Coral Springs officers entered, joined by two newly arrived Broward County Deputies.

It is likely there will be a whitewash of this incident as “Sources cautioned that tapes are currently being reviewed and official accounts could ultimately differ from recollections of officers on the scene.” Gotta CYA to protect the county and themselves from the inevitable lawsuits.

But the coming whitewash aside, this again proves that “Rambo” instinct, which most conservatives are certain they posses, is a fairy tale they use to fool themselves.

As it turns out, Deputy Peterson was eligible for retirement. So one must wonder if that didn’t enter into his decision to remain outside. He had, after all, survived his career in law enforcement long enough to retire from the Sheriff’s Department. Like Peterson, the three other deputies could very well have had second thoughts, making them unsure of the results were they to rush headlong into the unknown.

Conservatives who are certain they have that “Rambo” instinct, like to think they are courageous hero-types and are capable of single-handedly saving the day. But, there is a good reason law enforcement agencies have SWAT teams. The officers who are members of these teams train and retrain regularly. They wear protective gear, have available to them fully automatic weapons, are experts in their use, and in the use of other military-style equipment.

The four experienced officers who were armed with only pistols chose caution and did not rush into the unknown situation. But, conservatives expect teachers armed only with pistols and minimal training to jump in and face killers firing their AR-15s at anything that moves.

It’s unfortunate these conservatives calling for the arming of teachers are so certain of this “Rambo” instinct. If it does exist, it does so only in a tiny, tiny percentage of regular citizens (most of whom must have death wishes).

As people of reason know, these conservatives are nothing more than “keyboard warriors”. They are brave beyond all else, but only when safely typing their attacks, anonymously. The truth is, they are too old, or too fat, or are out of shape, or too slow and crippled-up, or would freeze in fear, or any combination there of, to truly be the heroes they’ve convinced themselves they would be. They are the “Monday morning quarterbacks” of mass shooting response, and all of them would hesitate or totally freeze when called upon to weigh the threat of their own death against defending strangers. Just as the four Broward County Deputies did. No Rambos there.

As always, thoughtful comments are welcome. Unfortunately, in the conservatives' responses to this thread we can expect only their typical nonsense, denial, alternate facts, and off-topic silliness. (e.g. non-sequiturs, ratings, transference, memes, etc.), to which any reply is a waste of time.

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/02/23/politics/parkland-school-shooting-broward-deputies/index.html

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/coward-sheriffs-deputy-one-four-12079659







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Imagine your teacher is 5 foot 2 inches and weighs not very much at all, and has a gun in her pocket. Two boys come at her, one from in front, one from behind.

Is she going to get to her gun and pull it out on them? Probably not. She might. Then what? Teacher pulls gun out on students shock horror.

So she doesn't take the gun out, but one of the boys takes the gun from her, then points it at the class.

Is this really the sort of thing people want in their schools?

Texas, Utah, Oklahoma, Colorado all allow teachers to carry. 18 more allow adults who have carry permits with approval from school officials.
As far as I know, there hasn't been a scenario that you describe.

Allows teachers to carry, doesn't force them to carry, which seemed to be what Trump was saying, right?

 

[hadit]

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Whenever a mass shooting occurs, the first words out of the mouths of conservatives is, “We need more guns in the hands of civilians.” Or something like it.

It’s that unreasonable conservative mind-set, that forces them to believe the fairy tale that untrained civilians know instinctively, where the gunfire is located, immediately recognize the individual(s) doing the shooting, and have the steel nerves and iron will to confront and kill the shooter(s), without hesitation or concern for their own safety.

What so often proves this unreasonable mind-set of the conservatives to be a total fantasy is the choice by trained law enforcement officers to avoid exacerbating an already uncontrolled situation. This can be seen no better than in the shooting incident last week at Florida’s Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School.

In addition to the school resource officer from the Broward County Sheriff’s office Scot Peterson, Coral Springs police officers arriving at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, found three additional Broward County Sheriff’s Deputies who had not yet entered the building.

Sadly, these four men apparently remained outside while directing Coral Springs police officers to the building where the shooting took place, even as the Coral Springs officers entered, joined by two newly arrived Broward County Deputies.

It is likely there will be a whitewash of this incident as “Sources cautioned that tapes are currently being reviewed and official accounts could ultimately differ from recollections of officers on the scene.” Gotta CYA to protect the county and themselves from the inevitable lawsuits.

But the coming whitewash aside, this again proves that “Rambo” instinct, which most conservatives are certain they posses, is a fairy tale they use to fool themselves.

As it turns out, Deputy Peterson was eligible for retirement. So one must wonder if that didn’t enter into his decision to remain outside. He had, after all, survived his career in law enforcement long enough to retire from the Sheriff’s Department. Like Peterson, the three other deputies could very well have had second thoughts, making them unsure of the results were they to rush headlong into the unknown.

Conservatives who are certain they have that “Rambo” instinct, like to think they are courageous hero-types and are capable of single-handedly saving the day. But, there is a good reason law enforcement agencies have SWAT teams. The officers who are members of these teams train and retrain regularly. They wear protective gear, have available to them fully automatic weapons, are experts in their use, and in the use of other military-style equipment.

The four experienced officers who were armed with only pistols chose caution and did not rush into the unknown situation. But, conservatives expect teachers armed only with pistols and minimal training to jump in and face killers firing their AR-15s at anything that moves.

It’s unfortunate these conservatives calling for the arming of teachers are so certain of this “Rambo” instinct. If it does exist, it does so only in a tiny, tiny percentage of regular citizens (most of whom must have death wishes).

As people of reason know, these conservatives are nothing more than “keyboard warriors”. They are brave beyond all else, but only when safely typing their attacks, anonymously. The truth is, they are too old, or too fat, or are out of shape, or too slow and crippled-up, or would freeze in fear, or any combination there of, to truly be the heroes they’ve convinced themselves they would be. They are the “Monday morning quarterbacks” of mass shooting response, and all of them would hesitate or totally freeze when called upon to weigh the threat of their own death against defending strangers. Just as the four Broward County Deputies did. No Rambos there.

As always, thoughtful comments are welcome. Unfortunately, in the conservatives' responses to this thread we can expect only their typical nonsense, denial, alternate facts, and off-topic silliness. (e.g. non-sequiturs, ratings, transference, memes, etc.), to which any reply is a waste of time.

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/02/23/politics/parkland-school-shooting-broward-deputies/index.html

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/coward-sheriffs-deputy-one-four-12079659







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.

Imagine your teacher is 5 foot 2 inches and weighs not very much at all, and has a gun in her pocket. Two boys come at her, one from in front, one from behind.

Is she going to get to her gun and pull it out on them? Probably not. She might. Then what? Teacher pulls gun out on students shock horror.

So she doesn't take the gun out, but one of the boys takes the gun from her, then points it at the class.

Is this really the sort of thing people want in their schools?

Texas, Utah, Oklahoma, Colorado all allow teachers to carry. 18 more allow adults who have carry permits with approval from school officials.
As far as I know, there hasn't been a scenario that you describe.

Allows teachers to carry, doesn't force them to carry, which seemed to be what Trump was saying, right?

Exactly. They want to cover the very likely scenario of a teacher protecting the children in their classroom. There's usually one relatively small door through which the shooter has to enter. No one's supposed to be Rambo.

 

[frigidweirdo]

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Whenever a mass shooting occurs, the first words out of the mouths of conservatives is, “We need more guns in the hands of civilians.” Or something like it.

It’s that unreasonable conservative mind-set, that forces them to believe the fairy tale that untrained civilians know instinctively, where the gunfire is located, immediately recognize the individual(s) doing the shooting, and have the steel nerves and iron will to confront and kill the shooter(s), without hesitation or concern for their own safety.

What so often proves this unreasonable mind-set of the conservatives to be a total fantasy is the choice by trained law enforcement officers to avoid exacerbating an already uncontrolled situation. This can be seen no better than in the shooting incident last week at Florida’s Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School.

In addition to the school resource officer from the Broward County Sheriff’s office Scot Peterson, Coral Springs police officers arriving at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, found three additional Broward County Sheriff’s Deputies who had not yet entered the building.

Sadly, these four men apparently remained outside while directing Coral Springs police officers to the building where the shooting took place, even as the Coral Springs officers entered, joined by two newly arrived Broward County Deputies.

It is likely there will be a whitewash of this incident as “Sources cautioned that tapes are currently being reviewed and official accounts could ultimately differ from recollections of officers on the scene.” Gotta CYA to protect the county and themselves from the inevitable lawsuits.

But the coming whitewash aside, this again proves that “Rambo” instinct, which most conservatives are certain they posses, is a fairy tale they use to fool themselves.

As it turns out, Deputy Peterson was eligible for retirement. So one must wonder if that didn’t enter into his decision to remain outside. He had, after all, survived his career in law enforcement long enough to retire from the Sheriff’s Department. Like Peterson, the three other deputies could very well have had second thoughts, making them unsure of the results were they to rush headlong into the unknown.

Conservatives who are certain they have that “Rambo” instinct, like to think they are courageous hero-types and are capable of single-handedly saving the day. But, there is a good reason law enforcement agencies have SWAT teams. The officers who are members of these teams train and retrain regularly. They wear protective gear, have available to them fully automatic weapons, are experts in their use, and in the use of other military-style equipment.

The four experienced officers who were armed with only pistols chose caution and did not rush into the unknown situation. But, conservatives expect teachers armed only with pistols and minimal training to jump in and face killers firing their AR-15s at anything that moves.

It’s unfortunate these conservatives calling for the arming of teachers are so certain of this “Rambo” instinct. If it does exist, it does so only in a tiny, tiny percentage of regular citizens (most of whom must have death wishes).

As people of reason know, these conservatives are nothing more than “keyboard warriors”. They are brave beyond all else, but only when safely typing their attacks, anonymously. The truth is, they are too old, or too fat, or are out of shape, or too slow and crippled-up, or would freeze in fear, or any combination there of, to truly be the heroes they’ve convinced themselves they would be. They are the “Monday morning quarterbacks” of mass shooting response, and all of them would hesitate or totally freeze when called upon to weigh the threat of their own death against defending strangers. Just as the four Broward County Deputies did. No Rambos there.

As always, thoughtful comments are welcome. Unfortunately, in the conservatives' responses to this thread we can expect only their typical nonsense, denial, alternate facts, and off-topic silliness. (e.g. non-sequiturs, ratings, transference, memes, etc.), to which any reply is a waste of time.

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/02/23/politics/parkland-school-shooting-broward-deputies/index.html

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/coward-sheriffs-deputy-one-four-12079659







.





.

Imagine your teacher is 5 foot 2 inches and weighs not very much at all, and has a gun in her pocket. Two boys come at her, one from in front, one from behind.

Is she going to get to her gun and pull it out on them? Probably not. She might. Then what? Teacher pulls gun out on students shock horror.

So she doesn't take the gun out, but one of the boys takes the gun from her, then points it at the class.

Is this really the sort of thing people want in their schools?

Texas, Utah, Oklahoma, Colorado all allow teachers to carry. 18 more allow adults who have carry permits with approval from school officials.
As far as I know, there hasn't been a scenario that you describe.

Allows teachers to carry, doesn't force them to carry, which seemed to be what Trump was saying, right?

Exactly. They want to cover the very likely scenario of a teacher protecting the children in their classroom. There's usually one relatively small door through which the shooter has to enter. No one's supposed to be Rambo.

Look, I've been a kid in school classrooms, I've been in classrooms with nasty little fuckers who wouldn't think twice about taking a gun.

Yes, you're so fucking concerned about children getting shot up. But they're not getting shot up in the UK, or France, or Germany, or Spain, they're getting shot up in the US, and the only difference between those countries in this regard, is the easy availability of guns in the US.

 

[hadit]

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Whenever a mass shooting occurs, the first words out of the mouths of conservatives is, “We need more guns in the hands of civilians.” Or something like it.

It’s that unreasonable conservative mind-set, that forces them to believe the fairy tale that untrained civilians know instinctively, where the gunfire is located, immediately recognize the individual(s) doing the shooting, and have the steel nerves and iron will to confront and kill the shooter(s), without hesitation or concern for their own safety.

What so often proves this unreasonable mind-set of the conservatives to be a total fantasy is the choice by trained law enforcement officers to avoid exacerbating an already uncontrolled situation. This can be seen no better than in the shooting incident last week at Florida’s Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School.

In addition to the school resource officer from the Broward County Sheriff’s office Scot Peterson, Coral Springs police officers arriving at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, found three additional Broward County Sheriff’s Deputies who had not yet entered the building.

Sadly, these four men apparently remained outside while directing Coral Springs police officers to the building where the shooting took place, even as the Coral Springs officers entered, joined by two newly arrived Broward County Deputies.

It is likely there will be a whitewash of this incident as “Sources cautioned that tapes are currently being reviewed and official accounts could ultimately differ from recollections of officers on the scene.” Gotta CYA to protect the county and themselves from the inevitable lawsuits.

But the coming whitewash aside, this again proves that “Rambo” instinct, which most conservatives are certain they posses, is a fairy tale they use to fool themselves.

As it turns out, Deputy Peterson was eligible for retirement. So one must wonder if that didn’t enter into his decision to remain outside. He had, after all, survived his career in law enforcement long enough to retire from the Sheriff’s Department. Like Peterson, the three other deputies could very well have had second thoughts, making them unsure of the results were they to rush headlong into the unknown.

Conservatives who are certain they have that “Rambo” instinct, like to think they are courageous hero-types and are capable of single-handedly saving the day. But, there is a good reason law enforcement agencies have SWAT teams. The officers who are members of these teams train and retrain regularly. They wear protective gear, have available to them fully automatic weapons, are experts in their use, and in the use of other military-style equipment.

The four experienced officers who were armed with only pistols chose caution and did not rush into the unknown situation. But, conservatives expect teachers armed only with pistols and minimal training to jump in and face killers firing their AR-15s at anything that moves.

It’s unfortunate these conservatives calling for the arming of teachers are so certain of this “Rambo” instinct. If it does exist, it does so only in a tiny, tiny percentage of regular citizens (most of whom must have death wishes).

As people of reason know, these conservatives are nothing more than “keyboard warriors”. They are brave beyond all else, but only when safely typing their attacks, anonymously. The truth is, they are too old, or too fat, or are out of shape, or too slow and crippled-up, or would freeze in fear, or any combination there of, to truly be the heroes they’ve convinced themselves they would be. They are the “Monday morning quarterbacks” of mass shooting response, and all of them would hesitate or totally freeze when called upon to weigh the threat of their own death against defending strangers. Just as the four Broward County Deputies did. No Rambos there.

As always, thoughtful comments are welcome. Unfortunately, in the conservatives' responses to this thread we can expect only their typical nonsense, denial, alternate facts, and off-topic silliness. (e.g. non-sequiturs, ratings, transference, memes, etc.), to which any reply is a waste of time.

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/02/23/politics/parkland-school-shooting-broward-deputies/index.html

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/coward-sheriffs-deputy-one-four-12079659







.





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Imagine your teacher is 5 foot 2 inches and weighs not very much at all, and has a gun in her pocket. Two boys come at her, one from in front, one from behind.

Is she going to get to her gun and pull it out on them? Probably not. She might. Then what? Teacher pulls gun out on students shock horror.

So she doesn't take the gun out, but one of the boys takes the gun from her, then points it at the class.

Is this really the sort of thing people want in their schools?

Texas, Utah, Oklahoma, Colorado all allow teachers to carry. 18 more allow adults who have carry permits with approval from school officials.
As far as I know, there hasn't been a scenario that you describe.

Allows teachers to carry, doesn't force them to carry, which seemed to be what Trump was saying, right?

Exactly. They want to cover the very likely scenario of a teacher protecting the children in their classroom. There's usually one relatively small door through which the shooter has to enter. No one's supposed to be Rambo.

Look, I've been a kid in school classrooms, I've been in classrooms with nasty little fuckers who wouldn't think twice about taking a gun.

Yes, you're so fucking concerned about children getting shot up. But they're not getting shot up in the UK, or France, or Germany, or Spain, they're getting shot up in the US, and the only difference between those countries in this regard, is the easy availability of guns in the US.

They would have first know the teacher was carrying.

 

[Desperado]

Does anyone know how many teachers already have concealed carry permits?
Then all you have to do is repeal the gun free zones.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Imagine your teacher is 5 foot 2 inches and weighs not very much at all, and has a gun in her pocket. Two boys come at her, one from in front, one from behind.

Is she going to get to her gun and pull it out on them? Probably not. She might. Then what? Teacher pulls gun out on students shock horror.

So she doesn't take the gun out, but one of the boys takes the gun from her, then points it at the class.

Is this really the sort of thing people want in their schools?

Texas, Utah, Oklahoma, Colorado all allow teachers to carry. 18 more allow adults who have carry permits with approval from school officials.
As far as I know, there hasn't been a scenario that you describe.

Allows teachers to carry, doesn't force them to carry, which seemed to be what Trump was saying, right?

Exactly. They want to cover the very likely scenario of a teacher protecting the children in their classroom. There's usually one relatively small door through which the shooter has to enter. No one's supposed to be Rambo.

Look, I've been a kid in school classrooms, I've been in classrooms with nasty little fuckers who wouldn't think twice about taking a gun.

Yes, you're so fucking concerned about children getting shot up. But they're not getting shot up in the UK, or France, or Germany, or Spain, they're getting shot up in the US, and the only difference between those countries in this regard, is the easy availability of guns in the US.

They would have first know the teacher was carrying.

And if you make all teachers carry, then.... they know.

 

[Votto]

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Whenever a mass shooting occurs, the first words out of the mouths of conservatives is, “We need more guns in the hands of civilians.” Or something like it.

It’s that unreasonable conservative mind-set, that forces them to believe the fairy tale that untrained civilians know instinctively, where the gunfire is located, immediately recognize the individual(s) doing the shooting, and have the steel nerves and iron will to confront and kill the shooter(s), without hesitation or concern for their own safety.

What so often proves this unreasonable mind-set of the conservatives to be a total fantasy is the choice by trained law enforcement officers to avoid exacerbating an already uncontrolled situation. This can be seen no better than in the shooting incident last week at Florida’s Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School.

In addition to the school resource officer from the Broward County Sheriff’s office Scot Peterson, Coral Springs police officers arriving at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, found three additional Broward County Sheriff’s Deputies who had not yet entered the building.

Sadly, these four men apparently remained outside while directing Coral Springs police officers to the building where the shooting took place, even as the Coral Springs officers entered, joined by two newly arrived Broward County Deputies.

It is likely there will be a whitewash of this incident as “Sources cautioned that tapes are currently being reviewed and official accounts could ultimately differ from recollections of officers on the scene.” Gotta CYA to protect the county and themselves from the inevitable lawsuits.

But the coming whitewash aside, this again proves that “Rambo” instinct, which most conservatives are certain they posses, is a fairy tale they use to fool themselves.

As it turns out, Deputy Peterson was eligible for retirement. So one must wonder if that didn’t enter into his decision to remain outside. He had, after all, survived his career in law enforcement long enough to retire from the Sheriff’s Department. Like Peterson, the three other deputies could very well have had second thoughts, making them unsure of the results were they to rush headlong into the unknown.

Conservatives who are certain they have that “Rambo” instinct, like to think they are courageous hero-types and are capable of single-handedly saving the day. But, there is a good reason law enforcement agencies have SWAT teams. The officers who are members of these teams train and retrain regularly. They wear protective gear, have available to them fully automatic weapons, are experts in their use, and in the use of other military-style equipment.

The four experienced officers who were armed with only pistols chose caution and did not rush into the unknown situation. But, conservatives expect teachers armed only with pistols and minimal training to jump in and face killers firing their AR-15s at anything that moves.

It’s unfortunate these conservatives calling for the arming of teachers are so certain of this “Rambo” instinct. If it does exist, it does so only in a tiny, tiny percentage of regular citizens (most of whom must have death wishes).

As people of reason know, these conservatives are nothing more than “keyboard warriors”. They are brave beyond all else, but only when safely typing their attacks, anonymously. The truth is, they are too old, or too fat, or are out of shape, or too slow and crippled-up, or would freeze in fear, or any combination there of, to truly be the heroes they’ve convinced themselves they would be. They are the “Monday morning quarterbacks” of mass shooting response, and all of them would hesitate or totally freeze when called upon to weigh the threat of their own death against defending strangers. Just as the four Broward County Deputies did. No Rambos there.

As always, thoughtful comments are welcome. Unfortunately, in the conservatives' responses to this thread we can expect only their typical nonsense, denial, alternate facts, and off-topic silliness. (e.g. non-sequiturs, ratings, transference, memes, etc.), to which any reply is a waste of time.

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/02/23/politics/parkland-school-shooting-broward-deputies/index.html

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/coward-sheriffs-deputy-one-four-12079659







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If you ban guns today the guns will still be out there, so that is not an answer.

If you don't arm the teachers, then I guess you are left with calling the police who will probably show up 10 minutes late and hiding in the bushes.

Have it your way dolt.

 

[hadit]

Texas, Utah, Oklahoma, Colorado all allow teachers to carry. 18 more allow adults who have carry permits with approval from school officials.
As far as I know, there hasn't been a scenario that you describe.

Allows teachers to carry, doesn't force them to carry, which seemed to be what Trump was saying, right?

Exactly. They want to cover the very likely scenario of a teacher protecting the children in their classroom. There's usually one relatively small door through which the shooter has to enter. No one's supposed to be Rambo.

Look, I've been a kid in school classrooms, I've been in classrooms with nasty little fuckers who wouldn't think twice about taking a gun.

Yes, you're so fucking concerned about children getting shot up. But they're not getting shot up in the UK, or France, or Germany, or Spain, they're getting shot up in the US, and the only difference between those countries in this regard, is the easy availability of guns in the US.

They would have first know the teacher was carrying.

And if you make all teachers carry, then.... they know.

That's just it, you don't. That's nothing more than a straw man argument that no one is making.

You only allow the teachers who have a CC permit and are willing to assume the responsibility to carry. Heck, you could even give them additional training. Seriously, jumping immediately to such extremes is not making a point.

 

[kaz]

So the gun nuts want the federal government to force teachers to become law enforcement officers?

Why is that hilarious?

If you can prove that you have been trained with the ability to provide a license to carry, it’s no more ridiculous than those who receive CPR and medical training who aren’t licensed paramedics trying to make “first on scene” life saving decisions.

Yes, particularly the ones who already have proven that. CC holders have lower crime rates than cops do

 

[whitehall]

First of all there is nothing mysterious about an AR 15 just because it is black and of a configuration that the sissy left finds terrifying. It is semi-automatic and like any rifle, rather difficult to maneuver in tight quarters compared to a handgun. Two or three or half a dozen Police Officers armed with 14 round .40 or 9mm handguns or short barreled semi-automatic shotguns are far more potent and (hopefully) better trained than a teenage maniac with a semi-auto rifle equipped with a ten round magazine. If they refuse to engage the subject all bets are off. It should be noted that it was a female Officer who took down the jihad Major who killed 12 and wounded about 30 of his own men, and a female Officer was part of the team that took down the manic who opened fire on a republican baseball team with a semi-automatic rifle last spring.

 

[rshermn]

First of all there is nothing mysterious about an AR 15 just because it is black and of a configuration that the sissy left finds terrifying. It is semi-automatic and like any rifle, rather difficult to maneuver in tight quarters compared to a handgun. Two or three or half a dozen Police Officers armed with 14 round .40 or 9mm handguns or short barreled semi-automatic shotguns are far more potent and (hopefully) better trained than a teenage maniac with a semi-auto rifle equipped with a ten round magazine. If they refuse to engage the subject all bets are off. It should be noted that it was a female Officer who took down the jihad Major who killed 12 and wounded about 30 of his own men, and a female Officer was part of the team that took down the manic who opened fire on a republican baseball team with a semi-automatic rifle last spring.

Did you have a point???
An AR is capable of having high capacity clips. Most mass killings in this country used assault rivles with high capacity clips. That makes the gun quite different from most.
Most semi auto rifles are sporting guns, meant to be accurate at longer ranges. They give up little, in terms of accuracy, to a quality bolt action gun.
But a AR, or any other "assault rifle" has a couple of really different characteristics. Like really high capacity clips that can be installed in a very few seconds. So you can fir hundreds of rounds in a very little time. Short barrels allow them to be aimed quickly. So, if you think about it, if you are someone trying to go up against a shooter with an AR, and you are armed with a service revolver, or even a Glock or similar, then you are at a heavy disadvantage.
First, few shooters can fire a pistol in calm conditions accurately. Add a longer distance to the target, say 60 plus feet, and you need to be really, really good to hit anything fatal. And, if you factor in adrenalin, your chances are extremely poor.
Thin, there is the whole thing of shooting 9MM to 40 Cal bullets, that make a .75 inch path through whatever they hit. Compare that to a .223, which leaves a 4 Inch path through what it hits. So, think for a minute. Time after time, in crowded agendas, mass killings occur. And the NRA says send in the local guard, or whatever. Never, ever works. And never will

If you ever have a chance to listen to instructors who train shooters to protect in these type of events, they will tell you that if you arm other than EXTREMELY experienced guards, you wil simply increase the number of people killed. And they will be glad to tell you why.
Though I am sure you co not want to know.

 

[Skull Pilot]

First of all there is nothing mysterious about an AR 15 just because it is black and of a configuration that the sissy left finds terrifying. It is semi-automatic and like any rifle, rather difficult to maneuver in tight quarters compared to a handgun. Two or three or half a dozen Police Officers armed with 14 round .40 or 9mm handguns or short barreled semi-automatic shotguns are far more potent and (hopefully) better trained than a teenage maniac with a semi-auto rifle equipped with a ten round magazine. If they refuse to engage the subject all bets are off. It should be noted that it was a female Officer who took down the jihad Major who killed 12 and wounded about 30 of his own men, and a female Officer was part of the team that took down the manic who opened fire on a republican baseball team with a semi-automatic rifle last spring.

Did you have a point???
An AR is capable of having high capacity clips. Most mass killings in this country used assault rivles with high capacity clips. That makes the gun quite different from most.
Most semi auto rifles are sporting guns, meant to be accurate at longer ranges. They give up little, in terms of accuracy, to a quality bolt action gun.
But a AR, or any other "assault rifle" has a couple of really different characteristics. Like really high capacity clips that can be installed in a very few seconds. So you can fir hundreds of rounds in a very little time. Short barrels allow them to be aimed quickly. So, if you think about it, if you are someone trying to go up against a shooter with an AR, and you are armed with a service revolver, or even a Glock or similar, then you are at a heavy disadvantage.
First, few shooters can fire a pistol in calm conditions accurately. Add a longer distance to the target, say 60 plus feet, and you need to be really, really good to hit anything fatal. And, if you factor in adrenalin, your chances are extremely poor.
Thin, there is the whole thing of shooting 9MM to 40 Cal bullets, that make a .75 inch path through whatever they hit. Compare that to a .223, which leaves a 4 Inch path through what it hits. So, think for a minute. Time after time, in crowded agendas, mass killings occur. And the NRA says send in the local guard, or whatever. Never, ever works. And never will

If you ever have a chance to listen to instructors who train shooters to protect in these type of events, they will tell you that if you arm other than EXTREMELY experienced guards, you wil simply increase the number of people killed. And they will be glad to tell you why.
Though I am sure you co not want to know.

You don't know that any semiautomatic rifle that accepts external MAGAZINES (not clips) can accept a 30 round MAGAZINE do you?

You don't know that all types of rifles combined are used in about 2% of all murders do you?

You don't know that mass shootings only account for about 1% of all murders do you?

 

[jc456]

Samuel L. Jackson
@SamuelLJackson

Can someone that’s been in a Gunfight tell that Muthafukka that’s Never been in a Gunfight, the flaws of his Arm The Teachers plan??!!

Be sure that, whoever he is, he addresses the fact that teachers are ALREADY caught in gunfights, except they aren't armed.

And if a teacher doesn't want to be/is not ready to assume that responsibility, he/she should not. The hysterical terror can now subside. You only need a handful to post the sign outside warning that several teachers are armed. Which do you think a shooter out to kill as many as possible going to attack, the school with some armed teachers or the one proudly proclaiming itself to be gun free?

Very true. I don't know that you even need to post signs. I'd imagine the news will get around. And hey, if the shooter knows SOME schools have armed teachers, but doesn't know for sure which schools those are, then maybe they change the plan entirely.

I'd just like to see the gun free zone sign taken down. Why advertise that for all nutjobs to read?

 

[miketx]

First of all there is nothing mysterious about an AR 15 just because it is black and of a configuration that the sissy left finds terrifying. It is semi-automatic and like any rifle, rather difficult to maneuver in tight quarters compared to a handgun. Two or three or half a dozen Police Officers armed with 14 round .40 or 9mm handguns or short barreled semi-automatic shotguns are far more potent and (hopefully) better trained than a teenage maniac with a semi-auto rifle equipped with a ten round magazine. If they refuse to engage the subject all bets are off. It should be noted that it was a female Officer who took down the jihad Major who killed 12 and wounded about 30 of his own men, and a female Officer was part of the team that took down the manic who opened fire on a republican baseball team with a semi-automatic rifle last spring.

Did you have a point???
An AR is capable of having high capacity clips. Most mass killings in this country used assault rivles with high capacity clips. That makes the gun quite different from most.
Most semi auto rifles are sporting guns, meant to be accurate at longer ranges. They give up little, in terms of accuracy, to a quality bolt action gun.
But a AR, or any other "assault rifle" has a couple of really different characteristics. Like really high capacity clips that can be installed in a very few seconds. So you can fir hundreds of rounds in a very little time. Short barrels allow them to be aimed quickly. So, if you think about it, if you are someone trying to go up against a shooter with an AR, and you are armed with a service revolver, or even a Glock or similar, then you are at a heavy disadvantage.
First, few shooters can fire a pistol in calm conditions accurately. Add a longer distance to the target, say 60 plus feet, and you need to be really, really good to hit anything fatal. And, if you factor in adrenalin, your chances are extremely poor.
Thin, there is the whole thing of shooting 9MM to 40 Cal bullets, that make a .75 inch path through whatever they hit. Compare that to a .223, which leaves a 4 Inch path through what it hits. So, think for a minute. Time after time, in crowded agendas, mass killings occur. And the NRA says send in the local guard, or whatever. Never, ever works. And never will

If you ever have a chance to listen to instructors who train shooters to protect in these type of events, they will tell you that if you arm other than EXTREMELY experienced guards, you wil simply increase the number of people killed. And they will be glad to tell you why.
Though I am sure you co not want to know.

What is a hi capacity clip? Is that like a high speed clip? Your wound size statement is total bullshit like all of your post.

 

[DigitalDrifter]

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Whenever a mass shooting occurs, the first words out of the mouths of conservatives is, “We need more guns in the hands of civilians.” Or something like it.

It’s that unreasonable conservative mind-set, that forces them to believe the fairy tale that untrained civilians know instinctively, where the gunfire is located, immediately recognize the individual(s) doing the shooting, and have the steel nerves and iron will to confront and kill the shooter(s), without hesitation or concern for their own safety.

What so often proves this unreasonable mind-set of the conservatives to be a total fantasy is the choice by trained law enforcement officers to avoid exacerbating an already uncontrolled situation. This can be seen no better than in the shooting incident last week at Florida’s Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School.

In addition to the school resource officer from the Broward County Sheriff’s office Scot Peterson, Coral Springs police officers arriving at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, found three additional Broward County Sheriff’s Deputies who had not yet entered the building.

Sadly, these four men apparently remained outside while directing Coral Springs police officers to the building where the shooting took place, even as the Coral Springs officers entered, joined by two newly arrived Broward County Deputies.

It is likely there will be a whitewash of this incident as “Sources cautioned that tapes are currently being reviewed and official accounts could ultimately differ from recollections of officers on the scene.” Gotta CYA to protect the county and themselves from the inevitable lawsuits.

But the coming whitewash aside, this again proves that “Rambo” instinct, which most conservatives are certain they posses, is a fairy tale they use to fool themselves.

As it turns out, Deputy Peterson was eligible for retirement. So one must wonder if that didn’t enter into his decision to remain outside. He had, after all, survived his career in law enforcement long enough to retire from the Sheriff’s Department. Like Peterson, the three other deputies could very well have had second thoughts, making them unsure of the results were they to rush headlong into the unknown.

Conservatives who are certain they have that “Rambo” instinct, like to think they are courageous hero-types and are capable of single-handedly saving the day. But, there is a good reason law enforcement agencies have SWAT teams. The officers who are members of these teams train and retrain regularly. They wear protective gear, have available to them fully automatic weapons, are experts in their use, and in the use of other military-style equipment.

The four experienced officers who were armed with only pistols chose caution and did not rush into the unknown situation. But, conservatives expect teachers armed only with pistols and minimal training to jump in and face killers firing their AR-15s at anything that moves.

It’s unfortunate these conservatives calling for the arming of teachers are so certain of this “Rambo” instinct. If it does exist, it does so only in a tiny, tiny percentage of regular citizens (most of whom must have death wishes).

As people of reason know, these conservatives are nothing more than “keyboard warriors”. They are brave beyond all else, but only when safely typing their attacks, anonymously. The truth is, they are too old, or too fat, or are out of shape, or too slow and crippled-up, or would freeze in fear, or any combination there of, to truly be the heroes they’ve convinced themselves they would be. They are the “Monday morning quarterbacks” of mass shooting response, and all of them would hesitate or totally freeze when called upon to weigh the threat of their own death against defending strangers. Just as the four Broward County Deputies did. No Rambos there.

As always, thoughtful comments are welcome. Unfortunately, in the conservatives' responses to this thread we can expect only their typical nonsense, denial, alternate facts, and off-topic silliness. (e.g. non-sequiturs, ratings, transference, memes, etc.), to which any reply is a waste of time.

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/02/23/politics/parkland-school-shooting-broward-deputies/index.html

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/coward-sheriffs-deputy-one-four-12079659







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Imagine your teacher is 5 foot 2 inches and weighs not very much at all, and has a gun in her pocket. Two boys come at her, one from in front, one from behind.

Is she going to get to her gun and pull it out on them? Probably not. She might. Then what? Teacher pulls gun out on students shock horror.

So she doesn't take the gun out, but one of the boys takes the gun from her, then points it at the class.

Is this really the sort of thing people want in their schools?

Texas, Utah, Oklahoma, Colorado all allow teachers to carry. 18 more allow adults who have carry permits with approval from school officials.
As far as I know, there hasn't been a scenario that you describe.

Allows teachers to carry, doesn't force them to carry, which seemed to be what Trump was saying, right?

No one wants to force teachers to carry.

 

[DigitalDrifter]

Samuel L. Jackson
@SamuelLJackson

Can someone that’s been in a Gunfight tell that Muthafukka that’s Never been in a Gunfight, the flaws of his Arm The Teachers plan??!!

Be sure that, whoever he is, he addresses the fact that teachers are ALREADY caught in gunfights, except they aren't armed.

And if a teacher doesn't want to be/is not ready to assume that responsibility, he/she should not. The hysterical terror can now subside. You only need a handful to post the sign outside warning that several teachers are armed. Which do you think a shooter out to kill as many as possible going to attack, the school with some armed teachers or the one proudly proclaiming itself to be gun free?

Very true. I don't know that you even need to post signs. I'd imagine the news will get around. And hey, if the shooter knows SOME schools have armed teachers, but doesn't know for sure which schools those are, then maybe they change the plan entirely.

I'd just like to see the gun free zone sign taken down. Why advertise that for all nutjobs to read?

The absolute stupidest thing any business, school, or other public facility can do is post signs that proclaim the area is a gun free zone. It's utter insanity.

 

[Cecilie1200]

First of all there is nothing mysterious about an AR 15 just because it is black and of a configuration that the sissy left finds terrifying. It is semi-automatic and like any rifle, rather difficult to maneuver in tight quarters compared to a handgun. Two or three or half a dozen Police Officers armed with 14 round .40 or 9mm handguns or short barreled semi-automatic shotguns are far more potent and (hopefully) better trained than a teenage maniac with a semi-auto rifle equipped with a ten round magazine. If they refuse to engage the subject all bets are off. It should be noted that it was a female Officer who took down the jihad Major who killed 12 and wounded about 30 of his own men, and a female Officer was part of the team that took down the manic who opened fire on a republican baseball team with a semi-automatic rifle last spring.

Did you have a point???
An AR is capable of having high capacity clips. Most mass killings in this country used assault rivles with high capacity clips. That makes the gun quite different from most.
Most semi auto rifles are sporting guns, meant to be accurate at longer ranges. They give up little, in terms of accuracy, to a quality bolt action gun.
But a AR, or any other "assault rifle" has a couple of really different characteristics. Like really high capacity clips that can be installed in a very few seconds. So you can fir hundreds of rounds in a very little time. Short barrels allow them to be aimed quickly. So, if you think about it, if you are someone trying to go up against a shooter with an AR, and you are armed with a service revolver, or even a Glock or similar, then you are at a heavy disadvantage.
First, few shooters can fire a pistol in calm conditions accurately. Add a longer distance to the target, say 60 plus feet, and you need to be really, really good to hit anything fatal. And, if you factor in adrenalin, your chances are extremely poor.
Thin, there is the whole thing of shooting 9MM to 40 Cal bullets, that make a .75 inch path through whatever they hit. Compare that to a .223, which leaves a 4 Inch path through what it hits. So, think for a minute. Time after time, in crowded agendas, mass killings occur. And the NRA says send in the local guard, or whatever. Never, ever works. And never will

If you ever have a chance to listen to instructors who train shooters to protect in these type of events, they will tell you that if you arm other than EXTREMELY experienced guards, you wil simply increase the number of people killed. And they will be glad to tell you why.
Though I am sure you co not want to know.

What is a hi capacity clip? Is that like a high speed clip? Your wound size statement is total bullshit like all of your post.

I think it's a hair barette for people with really thick hair. Only "high capacity clip" I can think of offhand.

 

[deanrd]

We can get some of the best gun instructors in the country to help teach: