Let’s Arm Teachers. Yeah, That’s a Peachy Idea (Eye Roll)

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Look, I've been a kid in school classrooms, I've been in classrooms with nasty little fuckers who wouldn't think twice about taking a gun.

Yes, you're so fucking concerned about children getting shot up. But they're not getting shot up in the UK, or France, or Germany, or Spain, they're getting shot up in the US, and the only difference between those countries in this regard, is the easy availability of guns in the US.

oh well, sucks to be them.

Yes, sucks to be a kid in a US school, going to school every day with the threat of never going home again.

Pretty much downhill after the SC kicked God out of school. Don't worry though, mans depravity will continue and the shootings will exponentially increase.

Why do you religious nut cases say shit like that? God was never kicked out of school. Organized prayer being forced on students who did not necessarily believe in the prescribed religion de jour was eliminated.

I am a United Methodist Church member, the financial secretary, and a lay leader, but I will NOT tolerate anyone imposing their religion on me or any of my students in my classroom where I teach!

I do not want Mormon prayers, Buddhist prayers, Islamic prayers, or even Pastafarian prayers in my schools. Force me to do that and I will have the ACLU filing a lawsuit so fast it will make your head spin!

Stop saying that stupid shit about God being kicked out of schools! My God is there every day and I am truly sorry your that God is so impotent.

No religious nut here. And yes, the ten commandments were taken out of school and no one forced anyone to pray. And yes, the murder and mass shootings have increased since then. I don't want mormon, buddhist, islam, hindu either. They're all worthless.

Correlation is not causation. I suggest you drop the argument lest you appear bigoted.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

oh well, sucks to be them.

Yes, sucks to be a kid in a US school, going to school every day with the threat of never going home again.

Pretty much downhill after the SC kicked God out of school. Don't worry though, mans depravity will continue and the shootings will exponentially increase.

Why do you religious nut cases say shit like that? God was never kicked out of school. Organized prayer being forced on students who did not necessarily believe in the prescribed religion de jour was eliminated.

I am a United Methodist Church member, the financial secretary, and a lay leader, but I will NOT tolerate anyone imposing their religion on me or any of my students in my classroom where I teach!

I do not want Mormon prayers, Buddhist prayers, Islamic prayers, or even Pastafarian prayers in my schools. Force me to do that and I will have the ACLU filing a lawsuit so fast it will make your head spin!

Stop saying that stupid shit about God being kicked out of schools! My God is there every day and I am truly sorry your that God is so impotent.

No religious nut here. And yes, the ten commandments were taken out of school and no one forced anyone to pray. And yes, the murder and mass shootings have increased since then. I don't want mormon, buddhist, islam, hindu either. They're all worthless.

Correlation is not causation. I suggest you drop the argument lest you appear bigoted.

I would suggest that you try to fully comprehend tolerance/intolerance. Neither of which I have alluded to.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Yes, sucks to be a kid in a US school, going to school every day with the threat of never going home again.

Pretty much downhill after the SC kicked God out of school. Don't worry though, mans depravity will continue and the shootings will exponentially increase.

Why do you religious nut cases say shit like that? God was never kicked out of school. Organized prayer being forced on students who did not necessarily believe in the prescribed religion de jour was eliminated.

I am a United Methodist Church member, the financial secretary, and a lay leader, but I will NOT tolerate anyone imposing their religion on me or any of my students in my classroom where I teach!

I do not want Mormon prayers, Buddhist prayers, Islamic prayers, or even Pastafarian prayers in my schools. Force me to do that and I will have the ACLU filing a lawsuit so fast it will make your head spin!

Stop saying that stupid shit about God being kicked out of schools! My God is there every day and I am truly sorry your that God is so impotent.

No religious nut here. And yes, the ten commandments were taken out of school and no one forced anyone to pray. And yes, the murder and mass shootings have increased since then. I don't want mormon, buddhist, islam, hindu either. They're all worthless.

Correlation is not causation. I suggest you drop the argument lest you appear bigoted.

I would suggest that you try to fully comprehend tolerance/intolerance. Neither of which I have alluded to.

Oh, I understand it just fine. You seem to think that you can demand prayer in school as long as it meets YOUR requirements.

 

[hadit]

My teachers were models of parental and grandparental wisdom, nurturing, and protection by example. A calming influence. A certain sublime quality as a role model of intellect to be looked up to. They were not security guards. Schools today need security that is focused on that specific job.

No they don't, moron. We've already seen how that works. It doesn't.\

To bake a cake, you don't need a professional baker. Millions of people who aren't professionals do it every day.

You're right, to bake a cake, you don't need a professional baker.

But.................cakes don't leave lethal holes in a body either.

Cars are very lethal. Yet we allow millions of 16 year old kids to drive them. They aren't professionals.

Cars have a purpose. An AR-15 does not.

Of course it has a purpose. You don't like it, but it has a purpose. That purpose is to propel a small projectile at high speed.

 

[hadit]

They would have first know the teacher was carrying.

And if you make all teachers carry, then.... they know.

That's just it, you don't. That's nothing more than a straw man argument that no one is making.

You only allow the teachers who have a CC permit and are willing to assume the responsibility to carry. Heck, you could even give them additional training. Seriously, jumping immediately to such extremes is not making a point.

Ever heard of the "slippery slope"?

The NRA and people like you are pushing for increasing arms all the time. Oh, there's a problem with guns, let's get more of them.

At what point does a teacher end up having to take such training in order to have their job?

At what point does a teacher get told they're not doing their job properly if they're not carrying a weapon?

It hasn't happened yet, and of course it's not convenient for you to think about such a thing, but this seems to be where it's leading.

The US is having more and more attacks like this. In 1999 Columbine was a massive shock in the US. Now it's not even in the top 10 of school shootings. There's a trend, and it's not changing.

You want more guns. Cops have guns, and more cops die in the US (by a long way) than in the UK where they don't have guns. Guns add fuel to the fire, they don't put the fire out.

But hey, gotta protect your guns.

I did not say we need more guns. If you think I did, kindly point it out. If you can't do so, admit you're full of it and making a false argument. I won't say you're lying (yet) because you just may be confused by the partisan adrenaline.

If you're worried about a slippery slope, it would be foolhardy to require people to carry weapons who don't want to and are not capable of using them safely and effectively. There's a reason, for example, why we no longer have a draft. We figured out that a volunteer force was a whole lot more effective. The same would hold for teachers in the classroom. Most don't want to carry a weapon and thus should not.

I don't care whether you said this or not. People do. I can't know your every position on every single damn issue. I hardly even know who you are. I don't know your positions on almost everything.

When I said "You want more guns", it was a rather vague kind of sentence. I didn't mean it to say YOU want more guns, but as a way of introducing what I was going to say next. Whatever, shit gets lost when you can't put intonation in the right places.

I'm worried about a lot of things about teachers having guns in classrooms. There are a variety of problems that could be caused. Texas has some teachers carrying and concealing, but we don't know how many or who they are, or enough information to really tell what would happen on a larger scale.

But teachers are often stressed, they sometimes snap, they sometimes make bad calls, and sometimes kids target teachers and cause problems.

Classrooms are not places where kids should be in fear, but I guess in the US fear is becoming more and more common.

And that's why we have to deal with reality as it really is, not how we'd like it to be. There are a lot of guns out there and they're not going away any time soon. Occasionally, kids and teachers in school do face a killer. Given that reality, we have to take steps we don't like. Now, some schools are already allowing some teachers to arm themselves. Crucial distinction here, they are not arming the teachers. The very fact that we don't know who is and who is not and armed and that we're not hearing about a lot of problems is a good thing. Hopefully, potential killers will be persuaded to avoid schools where teachers might be able to fight back and we won't put them to the test.

 

[frigidweirdo]

And if you make all teachers carry, then.... they know.

That's just it, you don't. That's nothing more than a straw man argument that no one is making.

You only allow the teachers who have a CC permit and are willing to assume the responsibility to carry. Heck, you could even give them additional training. Seriously, jumping immediately to such extremes is not making a point.

Ever heard of the "slippery slope"?

The NRA and people like you are pushing for increasing arms all the time. Oh, there's a problem with guns, let's get more of them.

At what point does a teacher end up having to take such training in order to have their job?

At what point does a teacher get told they're not doing their job properly if they're not carrying a weapon?

It hasn't happened yet, and of course it's not convenient for you to think about such a thing, but this seems to be where it's leading.

The US is having more and more attacks like this. In 1999 Columbine was a massive shock in the US. Now it's not even in the top 10 of school shootings. There's a trend, and it's not changing.

You want more guns. Cops have guns, and more cops die in the US (by a long way) than in the UK where they don't have guns. Guns add fuel to the fire, they don't put the fire out.

But hey, gotta protect your guns.

I did not say we need more guns. If you think I did, kindly point it out. If you can't do so, admit you're full of it and making a false argument. I won't say you're lying (yet) because you just may be confused by the partisan adrenaline.

If you're worried about a slippery slope, it would be foolhardy to require people to carry weapons who don't want to and are not capable of using them safely and effectively. There's a reason, for example, why we no longer have a draft. We figured out that a volunteer force was a whole lot more effective. The same would hold for teachers in the classroom. Most don't want to carry a weapon and thus should not.

I don't care whether you said this or not. People do. I can't know your every position on every single damn issue. I hardly even know who you are. I don't know your positions on almost everything.

When I said "You want more guns", it was a rather vague kind of sentence. I didn't mean it to say YOU want more guns, but as a way of introducing what I was going to say next. Whatever, shit gets lost when you can't put intonation in the right places.

I'm worried about a lot of things about teachers having guns in classrooms. There are a variety of problems that could be caused. Texas has some teachers carrying and concealing, but we don't know how many or who they are, or enough information to really tell what would happen on a larger scale.

But teachers are often stressed, they sometimes snap, they sometimes make bad calls, and sometimes kids target teachers and cause problems.

Classrooms are not places where kids should be in fear, but I guess in the US fear is becoming more and more common.

And that's why we have to deal with reality as it really is, not how we'd like it to be. There are a lot of guns out there and they're not going away any time soon. Occasionally, kids and teachers in school do face a killer. Given that reality, we have to take steps we don't like. Now, some schools are already allowing some teachers to arm themselves. Crucial distinction here, they are not arming the teachers. The very fact that we don't know who is and who is not and armed and that we're not hearing about a lot of problems is a good thing. Hopefully, potential killers will be persuaded to avoid schools where teachers might be able to fight back and we won't put them to the test.

Yes, but you're ignoring the reality that schools in Europe aren't having to deal with this problem.

Why not?

 

[jc456]

That's just it, you don't. That's nothing more than a straw man argument that no one is making.

You only allow the teachers who have a CC permit and are willing to assume the responsibility to carry. Heck, you could even give them additional training. Seriously, jumping immediately to such extremes is not making a point.

Ever heard of the "slippery slope"?

The NRA and people like you are pushing for increasing arms all the time. Oh, there's a problem with guns, let's get more of them.

At what point does a teacher end up having to take such training in order to have their job?

At what point does a teacher get told they're not doing their job properly if they're not carrying a weapon?

It hasn't happened yet, and of course it's not convenient for you to think about such a thing, but this seems to be where it's leading.

The US is having more and more attacks like this. In 1999 Columbine was a massive shock in the US. Now it's not even in the top 10 of school shootings. There's a trend, and it's not changing.

You want more guns. Cops have guns, and more cops die in the US (by a long way) than in the UK where they don't have guns. Guns add fuel to the fire, they don't put the fire out.

But hey, gotta protect your guns.

I did not say we need more guns. If you think I did, kindly point it out. If you can't do so, admit you're full of it and making a false argument. I won't say you're lying (yet) because you just may be confused by the partisan adrenaline.

If you're worried about a slippery slope, it would be foolhardy to require people to carry weapons who don't want to and are not capable of using them safely and effectively. There's a reason, for example, why we no longer have a draft. We figured out that a volunteer force was a whole lot more effective. The same would hold for teachers in the classroom. Most don't want to carry a weapon and thus should not.

I don't care whether you said this or not. People do. I can't know your every position on every single damn issue. I hardly even know who you are. I don't know your positions on almost everything.

When I said "You want more guns", it was a rather vague kind of sentence. I didn't mean it to say YOU want more guns, but as a way of introducing what I was going to say next. Whatever, shit gets lost when you can't put intonation in the right places.

I'm worried about a lot of things about teachers having guns in classrooms. There are a variety of problems that could be caused. Texas has some teachers carrying and concealing, but we don't know how many or who they are, or enough information to really tell what would happen on a larger scale.

But teachers are often stressed, they sometimes snap, they sometimes make bad calls, and sometimes kids target teachers and cause problems.

Classrooms are not places where kids should be in fear, but I guess in the US fear is becoming more and more common.

And that's why we have to deal with reality as it really is, not how we'd like it to be. There are a lot of guns out there and they're not going away any time soon. Occasionally, kids and teachers in school do face a killer. Given that reality, we have to take steps we don't like. Now, some schools are already allowing some teachers to arm themselves. Crucial distinction here, they are not arming the teachers. The very fact that we don't know who is and who is not and armed and that we're not hearing about a lot of problems is a good thing. Hopefully, potential killers will be persuaded to avoid schools where teachers might be able to fight back and we won't put them to the test.

Yes, but you're ignoring the reality that schools in Europe aren't having to deal with this problem.

Why not?

not as many schools?

 

[2aguy]

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Whenever a mass shooting occurs, the first words out of the mouths of conservatives is, “We need more guns in the hands of civilians.” Or something like it.

It’s that unreasonable conservative mind-set, that forces them to believe the fairy tale that untrained civilians know instinctively, where the gunfire is located, immediately recognize the individual(s) doing the shooting, and have the steel nerves and iron will to confront and kill the shooter(s), without hesitation or concern for their own safety.

What so often proves this unreasonable mind-set of the conservatives to be a total fantasy is the choice by trained law enforcement officers to avoid exacerbating an already uncontrolled situation. This can be seen no better than in the shooting incident last week at Florida’s Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School.

In addition to the school resource officer from the Broward County Sheriff’s office Scot Peterson, Coral Springs police officers arriving at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, found three additional Broward County Sheriff’s Deputies who had not yet entered the building.

Sadly, these four men apparently remained outside while directing Coral Springs police officers to the building where the shooting took place, even as the Coral Springs officers entered, joined by two newly arrived Broward County Deputies.

It is likely there will be a whitewash of this incident as “Sources cautioned that tapes are currently being reviewed and official accounts could ultimately differ from recollections of officers on the scene.” Gotta CYA to protect the county and themselves from the inevitable lawsuits.

But the coming whitewash aside, this again proves that “Rambo” instinct, which most conservatives are certain they posses, is a fairy tale they use to fool themselves.

As it turns out, Deputy Peterson was eligible for retirement. So one must wonder if that didn’t enter into his decision to remain outside. He had, after all, survived his career in law enforcement long enough to retire from the Sheriff’s Department. Like Peterson, the three other deputies could very well have had second thoughts, making them unsure of the results were they to rush headlong into the unknown.

Conservatives who are certain they have that “Rambo” instinct, like to think they are courageous hero-types and are capable of single-handedly saving the day. But, there is a good reason law enforcement agencies have SWAT teams. The officers who are members of these teams train and retrain regularly. They wear protective gear, have available to them fully automatic weapons, are experts in their use, and in the use of other military-style equipment.

The four experienced officers who were armed with only pistols chose caution and did not rush into the unknown situation. But, conservatives expect teachers armed only with pistols and minimal training to jump in and face killers firing their AR-15s at anything that moves.

It’s unfortunate these conservatives calling for the arming of teachers are so certain of this “Rambo” instinct. If it does exist, it does so only in a tiny, tiny percentage of regular citizens (most of whom must have death wishes).

As people of reason know, these conservatives are nothing more than “keyboard warriors”. They are brave beyond all else, but only when safely typing their attacks, anonymously. The truth is, they are too old, or too fat, or are out of shape, or too slow and crippled-up, or would freeze in fear, or any combination there of, to truly be the heroes they’ve convinced themselves they would be. They are the “Monday morning quarterbacks” of mass shooting response, and all of them would hesitate or totally freeze when called upon to weigh the threat of their own death against defending strangers. Just as the four Broward County Deputies did. No Rambos there.

As always, thoughtful comments are welcome. Unfortunately, in the conservatives' responses to this thread we can expect only their typical nonsense, denial, alternate facts, and off-topic silliness. (e.g. non-sequiturs, ratings, transference, memes, etc.), to which any reply is a waste of time.

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/02/23/politics/parkland-school-shooting-broward-deputies/index.html

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/coward-sheriffs-deputy-one-four-12079659







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You should ask the states that already allow their teachers and staff to carry guns on school grounds...had you done that, you wouldn't have had to start another dumb thread like this one....

 

[2aguy]

That's just it, you don't. That's nothing more than a straw man argument that no one is making.

You only allow the teachers who have a CC permit and are willing to assume the responsibility to carry. Heck, you could even give them additional training. Seriously, jumping immediately to such extremes is not making a point.

Ever heard of the "slippery slope"?

The NRA and people like you are pushing for increasing arms all the time. Oh, there's a problem with guns, let's get more of them.

At what point does a teacher end up having to take such training in order to have their job?

At what point does a teacher get told they're not doing their job properly if they're not carrying a weapon?

It hasn't happened yet, and of course it's not convenient for you to think about such a thing, but this seems to be where it's leading.

The US is having more and more attacks like this. In 1999 Columbine was a massive shock in the US. Now it's not even in the top 10 of school shootings. There's a trend, and it's not changing.

You want more guns. Cops have guns, and more cops die in the US (by a long way) than in the UK where they don't have guns. Guns add fuel to the fire, they don't put the fire out.

But hey, gotta protect your guns.

I did not say we need more guns. If you think I did, kindly point it out. If you can't do so, admit you're full of it and making a false argument. I won't say you're lying (yet) because you just may be confused by the partisan adrenaline.

If you're worried about a slippery slope, it would be foolhardy to require people to carry weapons who don't want to and are not capable of using them safely and effectively. There's a reason, for example, why we no longer have a draft. We figured out that a volunteer force was a whole lot more effective. The same would hold for teachers in the classroom. Most don't want to carry a weapon and thus should not.

I don't care whether you said this or not. People do. I can't know your every position on every single damn issue. I hardly even know who you are. I don't know your positions on almost everything.

When I said "You want more guns", it was a rather vague kind of sentence. I didn't mean it to say YOU want more guns, but as a way of introducing what I was going to say next. Whatever, shit gets lost when you can't put intonation in the right places.

I'm worried about a lot of things about teachers having guns in classrooms. There are a variety of problems that could be caused. Texas has some teachers carrying and concealing, but we don't know how many or who they are, or enough information to really tell what would happen on a larger scale.

But teachers are often stressed, they sometimes snap, they sometimes make bad calls, and sometimes kids target teachers and cause problems.

Classrooms are not places where kids should be in fear, but I guess in the US fear is becoming more and more common.

And that's why we have to deal with reality as it really is, not how we'd like it to be. There are a lot of guns out there and they're not going away any time soon. Occasionally, kids and teachers in school do face a killer. Given that reality, we have to take steps we don't like. Now, some schools are already allowing some teachers to arm themselves. Crucial distinction here, they are not arming the teachers. The very fact that we don't know who is and who is not and armed and that we're not hearing about a lot of problems is a good thing. Hopefully, potential killers will be persuaded to avoid schools where teachers might be able to fight back and we won't put them to the test.

Yes, but you're ignoring the reality that schools in Europe aren't having to deal with this problem.

Why not?

Jewish schools in Europe do........and Britain had two shooters stopped in the last couple of years....they had guns, one was even on campus, and only dumb luck stopped them...

And had the attackers in France, with illegal, fully automatic military rifles decided to go into a school there, instead of a cartoon office or a rock concert...what French gun control law would have stopped them? Do you think with fully automatic military rifles.....completely illegal in France, and grenades would have murdered more than 135 children?

 

[hadit]

That's just it, you don't. That's nothing more than a straw man argument that no one is making.

You only allow the teachers who have a CC permit and are willing to assume the responsibility to carry. Heck, you could even give them additional training. Seriously, jumping immediately to such extremes is not making a point.

Ever heard of the "slippery slope"?

The NRA and people like you are pushing for increasing arms all the time. Oh, there's a problem with guns, let's get more of them.

At what point does a teacher end up having to take such training in order to have their job?

At what point does a teacher get told they're not doing their job properly if they're not carrying a weapon?

It hasn't happened yet, and of course it's not convenient for you to think about such a thing, but this seems to be where it's leading.

The US is having more and more attacks like this. In 1999 Columbine was a massive shock in the US. Now it's not even in the top 10 of school shootings. There's a trend, and it's not changing.

You want more guns. Cops have guns, and more cops die in the US (by a long way) than in the UK where they don't have guns. Guns add fuel to the fire, they don't put the fire out.

But hey, gotta protect your guns.

I did not say we need more guns. If you think I did, kindly point it out. If you can't do so, admit you're full of it and making a false argument. I won't say you're lying (yet) because you just may be confused by the partisan adrenaline.

If you're worried about a slippery slope, it would be foolhardy to require people to carry weapons who don't want to and are not capable of using them safely and effectively. There's a reason, for example, why we no longer have a draft. We figured out that a volunteer force was a whole lot more effective. The same would hold for teachers in the classroom. Most don't want to carry a weapon and thus should not.

I don't care whether you said this or not. People do. I can't know your every position on every single damn issue. I hardly even know who you are. I don't know your positions on almost everything.

When I said "You want more guns", it was a rather vague kind of sentence. I didn't mean it to say YOU want more guns, but as a way of introducing what I was going to say next. Whatever, shit gets lost when you can't put intonation in the right places.

I'm worried about a lot of things about teachers having guns in classrooms. There are a variety of problems that could be caused. Texas has some teachers carrying and concealing, but we don't know how many or who they are, or enough information to really tell what would happen on a larger scale.

But teachers are often stressed, they sometimes snap, they sometimes make bad calls, and sometimes kids target teachers and cause problems.

Classrooms are not places where kids should be in fear, but I guess in the US fear is becoming more and more common.

And that's why we have to deal with reality as it really is, not how we'd like it to be. There are a lot of guns out there and they're not going away any time soon. Occasionally, kids and teachers in school do face a killer. Given that reality, we have to take steps we don't like. Now, some schools are already allowing some teachers to arm themselves. Crucial distinction here, they are not arming the teachers. The very fact that we don't know who is and who is not and armed and that we're not hearing about a lot of problems is a good thing. Hopefully, potential killers will be persuaded to avoid schools where teachers might be able to fight back and we won't put them to the test.

Yes, but you're ignoring the reality that schools in Europe aren't having to deal with this problem.

Why not?

Different cultures different circumstances. Switzerland has common gun ownership, yet not many school shootings. Why is that?

Obviously, the prevalence of guns is not the only factor.

 

[Cecilie1200]

My teachers were models of parental and grandparental wisdom, nurturing, and protection by example. A calming influence. A certain sublime quality as a role model of intellect to be looked up to. They were not security guards. Schools today need security that is focused on that specific job.

No they don't, moron. We've already seen how that works. It doesn't.\

To bake a cake, you don't need a professional baker. Millions of people who aren't professionals do it every day.

You're right, to bake a cake, you don't need a professional baker.

But.................cakes don't leave lethal holes in a body either.

Cars are very lethal. Yet we allow millions of 16 year old kids to drive them. They aren't professionals.

Cars have a purpose. An AR-15 does not.

Yes, it does. You don't LIKE that purpose, and insist on trying to make it sound "eeeeevil", but that's your hobby horse, not ours.

 

[Lakhota]

An armed teacher in Georgia...

TEACHER IN CUSTODY AFTER SHOTS FIRED IN GA SCHOOL

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

11 teens die every day due to texting and driving. School shootings, while tragic is far, far less likely to happen.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Ever heard of the "slippery slope"?

The NRA and people like you are pushing for increasing arms all the time. Oh, there's a problem with guns, let's get more of them.

At what point does a teacher end up having to take such training in order to have their job?

At what point does a teacher get told they're not doing their job properly if they're not carrying a weapon?

It hasn't happened yet, and of course it's not convenient for you to think about such a thing, but this seems to be where it's leading.

The US is having more and more attacks like this. In 1999 Columbine was a massive shock in the US. Now it's not even in the top 10 of school shootings. There's a trend, and it's not changing.

You want more guns. Cops have guns, and more cops die in the US (by a long way) than in the UK where they don't have guns. Guns add fuel to the fire, they don't put the fire out.

But hey, gotta protect your guns.

I did not say we need more guns. If you think I did, kindly point it out. If you can't do so, admit you're full of it and making a false argument. I won't say you're lying (yet) because you just may be confused by the partisan adrenaline.

If you're worried about a slippery slope, it would be foolhardy to require people to carry weapons who don't want to and are not capable of using them safely and effectively. There's a reason, for example, why we no longer have a draft. We figured out that a volunteer force was a whole lot more effective. The same would hold for teachers in the classroom. Most don't want to carry a weapon and thus should not.

I don't care whether you said this or not. People do. I can't know your every position on every single damn issue. I hardly even know who you are. I don't know your positions on almost everything.

When I said "You want more guns", it was a rather vague kind of sentence. I didn't mean it to say YOU want more guns, but as a way of introducing what I was going to say next. Whatever, shit gets lost when you can't put intonation in the right places.

I'm worried about a lot of things about teachers having guns in classrooms. There are a variety of problems that could be caused. Texas has some teachers carrying and concealing, but we don't know how many or who they are, or enough information to really tell what would happen on a larger scale.

But teachers are often stressed, they sometimes snap, they sometimes make bad calls, and sometimes kids target teachers and cause problems.

Classrooms are not places where kids should be in fear, but I guess in the US fear is becoming more and more common.

And that's why we have to deal with reality as it really is, not how we'd like it to be. There are a lot of guns out there and they're not going away any time soon. Occasionally, kids and teachers in school do face a killer. Given that reality, we have to take steps we don't like. Now, some schools are already allowing some teachers to arm themselves. Crucial distinction here, they are not arming the teachers. The very fact that we don't know who is and who is not and armed and that we're not hearing about a lot of problems is a good thing. Hopefully, potential killers will be persuaded to avoid schools where teachers might be able to fight back and we won't put them to the test.

Yes, but you're ignoring the reality that schools in Europe aren't having to deal with this problem.

Why not?

not as many schools?

Oh come on. There aren't any. So, per capita it's much, MUCH lower too.

The reason is that there's easy availability of guns in the US.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Ever heard of the "slippery slope"?

The NRA and people like you are pushing for increasing arms all the time. Oh, there's a problem with guns, let's get more of them.

At what point does a teacher end up having to take such training in order to have their job?

At what point does a teacher get told they're not doing their job properly if they're not carrying a weapon?

It hasn't happened yet, and of course it's not convenient for you to think about such a thing, but this seems to be where it's leading.

The US is having more and more attacks like this. In 1999 Columbine was a massive shock in the US. Now it's not even in the top 10 of school shootings. There's a trend, and it's not changing.

You want more guns. Cops have guns, and more cops die in the US (by a long way) than in the UK where they don't have guns. Guns add fuel to the fire, they don't put the fire out.

But hey, gotta protect your guns.

I did not say we need more guns. If you think I did, kindly point it out. If you can't do so, admit you're full of it and making a false argument. I won't say you're lying (yet) because you just may be confused by the partisan adrenaline.

If you're worried about a slippery slope, it would be foolhardy to require people to carry weapons who don't want to and are not capable of using them safely and effectively. There's a reason, for example, why we no longer have a draft. We figured out that a volunteer force was a whole lot more effective. The same would hold for teachers in the classroom. Most don't want to carry a weapon and thus should not.

I don't care whether you said this or not. People do. I can't know your every position on every single damn issue. I hardly even know who you are. I don't know your positions on almost everything.

When I said "You want more guns", it was a rather vague kind of sentence. I didn't mean it to say YOU want more guns, but as a way of introducing what I was going to say next. Whatever, shit gets lost when you can't put intonation in the right places.

I'm worried about a lot of things about teachers having guns in classrooms. There are a variety of problems that could be caused. Texas has some teachers carrying and concealing, but we don't know how many or who they are, or enough information to really tell what would happen on a larger scale.

But teachers are often stressed, they sometimes snap, they sometimes make bad calls, and sometimes kids target teachers and cause problems.

Classrooms are not places where kids should be in fear, but I guess in the US fear is becoming more and more common.

And that's why we have to deal with reality as it really is, not how we'd like it to be. There are a lot of guns out there and they're not going away any time soon. Occasionally, kids and teachers in school do face a killer. Given that reality, we have to take steps we don't like. Now, some schools are already allowing some teachers to arm themselves. Crucial distinction here, they are not arming the teachers. The very fact that we don't know who is and who is not and armed and that we're not hearing about a lot of problems is a good thing. Hopefully, potential killers will be persuaded to avoid schools where teachers might be able to fight back and we won't put them to the test.

Yes, but you're ignoring the reality that schools in Europe aren't having to deal with this problem.

Why not?

Different cultures different circumstances. Switzerland has common gun ownership, yet not many school shootings. Why is that?

Obviously, the prevalence of guns is not the only factor.

Why? Because Switzerland does NOT have easy availability of guns.

It has guns, guns related to military service, without ammo being kept at home.

The NRA would go apeshit if they forced a Swiss type system in the US.

To buy a weapon you must get a permit.

If you buy or sell a weapon you must make a contract and that contract must be kept for 10 years.

To buy ammo you must provide information, ID, criminal record, address, weapons permit.

Info must be sent within 30 days to the weapons registration bureau.

To carry a gun you need a carry gun permit. These permits aren't easy to get, and usually for those who need their gun for their profession.

There are certain exceptions to this, like going hunting with a hunting weapon, but there are major restrictions.

So, the difference here is that in Switzerland there are strict laws governing the guns, in the US there aren't.

Also, Switzerland doesn't produce inner city ghettos, it doesn't treat its people like shit and make them angry.

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

The problem with your argument is Baltimore and Chicago both have strict gun laws, referring to your “stolen responsible gun owners” argument. Despite that, Baltimore’s murder rate that escalates towards breaking the homicide rate almost every year, from “gang” violence. While Chicago is simply out of control. There is no validity to your point that the majority of gun violence in this nation stems from guns stolen from legal gun owners. I asked you to provide proof of a direct correlation linking the acquisition of guns used in gang violence and those involved with the selling of illegal drugs, as solely stemming from stolen guns belonging to legally registered gun owners. You haven’t thus far. You wanted to use the argument that the majority of guns are the result of irresponsible legal gun owners. Your argument would be true in the case of school shooting or even crimes like convenient store robberies. Nationally? You haven’t proven that.

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I have no idea what you are getting at. I'm talking about national statistics and you're off on some MS-13/Chicago-Baltimore tangent. You certainly haven't made a logical argument as far as I cam tell. Maybe someone else can explain it to me. Sorry.
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In other words your view that the bulk of criminals’ guns are stolen from responsible gun owners, turns out to be a very weak unsubstantiated argument.