Legalization of Marijuana

Legalizing marijuana in California didn't hurt the drug cartels. It helped them. It helped them so much, that the cartels were bribing city officials to let them have a permit to open cartel owned dispensaries.
Which calls loud and clear attention to the fact that full legalization, rather than such petty concessions as medical access, is the only way to break the back of the cartels, just as the repeal of beverage alcohol put the bootleggers out of business.

It doesn't take a great deal of intelligence to acknowledge that prohibitions of popular recreational activities and products simply do not work but are in fact counterproductive!
 
Nobody may have died directly from pot, but under the influence, marijuana has been shown to degrade short-term memory, concentration, judgment, and coordination at complex tasks including driving. Which ultimately can cause accident, injury or even death.

When has this been proven?



1. Herbert Moskowitz, "Marihuana and Driving," Accident Analysis and Prevention 17#4: 323-45 (1985).

2. Carl Soderstrom et al., "Marijuana and Alcohol Use Among 1023 Trauma Patients," Archives of Surgery, 123: 733-7 (1988).

Thank you, I will raed them.
 
I've been 'lighting up' for almost 45 years, and I've been asking this same question for that same amount of time.

And now we see why GuyPinestra is the cop-hating epic asshole that he is... Police officers enforce the law, and little "internet tough-Guy" here doesn't like the laws. But since is brain is scrambled from 45 years of frying the thing and killing the cells, he can't seperate those who make the laws he hates from those who simply have to enforce them.

Everyone raise your glassed to "internet toug-Guy" - may the police face-plant your worthless ass a dozen times in a dozen days. And my your next hit of illegal narcotics be laced with something deadly so that you can no longer be the burden to society that you are.

Your irrationality is only overshadowed by your absolutism, DogBreath. I don't hate cops at all, I have several cops in my immediate family, although they're NOT the kind of overbearing cocksuckers that you are, they still believe in 'Protect and Serve'.

As for 'killing brain cells', even after 45 years of smoking pot I can still spell 'separate', unlike you, Mr. Mouth-breathing Troglodyte. You seem to think that enforcing the law gives you the right to beat down anyone that you take a dislike to, I hope someday you'll come to realize just how violently anti-social you really are, although that probably won't happen without an intervention and years of psychotherapy.
 
You can believe anything you want. I believe that a pothead is someone that has one puff.
Which identifies you as stubbornly ignorant.

One can only wonder at the reason for your bias. If you have teen-age children and you believe such an adamant prejudice will prevent them from eventually finding the truth on their own you are making a big mistake.

Telling kids the truth about all recreational drugs is the way to prevent misuse. It's the way I did it with my three girls, and it's the way most intelligent parents approach the issue.

Learn the truth and use it. Using stupid words is simply stupid and wholly unproductive.
 
In what ways is pot worse then alcohol?

In what way is the war on drugs different then prohibition?

Do you think it is harder for high school kids to get pot or alcohol?

Just some simple questions.

Not the point. Pot and Hemp would be legal if.....The government could regulate it and the government could tax it. Period done end of story.

BTW, it's not different "then" or "than" it is "different FROM".
 
To potheads, free will goes only so far.

Should an employer be able to fire a pothead? How about parents who put potheads out on the street? If a pothead gets in your way, do you have the right to beat the crap out of them? Should children be taken away from pothead parents? They don't want freedom, what they want is license. They have the freedom to do anything they want, but under protection because they do not want consequences.
What exactly is a "pot head," aside from a stupid term that some Reefer Madness proponent invented and which holds appeal to other equally ignorant true believers.

I'd be interested in knowing your definition of that rather stupid term.
C'mon....c'mon....lighten-up.

We "heads", long-ago, got-over the whole "sticks-and-stones" trip.

Besides.....we're (officially) legitimate, now!!
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Legalize it and tax the hell out of it!

Tobacco products are "taxed to hell" There is a huge bootleg market for cigarettes. Every day vehicles leave the southeast bound for the high tax blue states of the northeast and upper midwest with ciggys on board.
No, if marijuana is taxed in moderation, the black market would be a comparative minimum.
Regulated, pot would be a huge cash crop.
 
So much for your BBC mockumentary...

Of course, there was a fatal flaw with The Lancet‘s argument — one that, oddly enough, every single MSM outlet failed to mention. Empirical data did not support the investigators’ hypothesis that smoking marijuana was associated with increased rates of schizophrenia or other mental illnesses among the general public — a fact that even the authors begrudgingly admitted when they declared, “Projected trends for schizophrenia incidence have not paralleled trends in cannabis use over time.”

Which brings us to 2009.

Two years after The Lancet‘s dire predictions, a team of researchers at the Keele University Medical School have once and for all put the ‘pot-and-mental illness’ claims to the test. Writing in a forthcoming edition of the scientific journal Schizophrenia Research, they compare long-term trends in marijuana use and incidences of schizophrenia and/or psychoses in the United Kingdom. And what do they find?

“[T]he expected rise in diagnoses of schizophrenia and psychoses did not occur over a 10 year period. This study does not therefore support the specific causal link between cannabis use and incidence of psychotic disorders. … This concurs with other reports indicating that increases in population cannabis use have not been followed by increases in psychotic incidence.”
Study Debunks Claim That Pot Smoking Causes Mental Illness | NORML Blog, Marijuana Law Reform

Aw, how nice. I bet guys who smoked Mary jay and now are growing a pair of girlie breasts don't have any mental problem whatever with their new look! :lmao:

Oh, and how about having a kid who will always have a head the size of your fist? Can a mental health professional fix his people-glance-down paranoia for that one?

And God forbid should we want children!!! Mary Jay will fix ya!

And :woohoo: for the superbrat family! THC exposure during pregnancy or lactation can sure make a difference in whether your kid is a candidate for ritalin! His behavior may drive ya to drink or smoke more THC yet. Long live unbridled, high-pitched and erratic behavior for the 18-year duration of "childhood" under the influence of his-mommie-and-daddy-did-too-much-thc!!! :woohoo:

Upon birth, many children who were exposed to marijuana prenatally have lowered response to light stimuli, lowered habituation to the same, less "self-quieting" behavior (thumb-sucking, etc.), more tremors are startled more easily, and they also have more high-pitched cries. These symptoms of exposure to marijuana gradually even out as the infant gets older, however there are a few long term effects of prenatal marijuana exposure that continue on into the child's life.
Cognitive skills may also be effected by prenatal exposure to martijuana. A study found that women who exposed themselves to marijuana in their first and second trimesters had children who scored much lower on intelligence tests at age three (Day et al., 1994). The tests did improve greatly however with the attendence at day-care or preschool. These children are put at a disadvantage from birth because of a possible difference in development and physiology caused by their early exposure to marijuana.
These lovely little pearls come from Marijuana: Teratogenic Effects

Now, why the hell would anyone think that experiencing any or all of these little problems of such a delightful high would cause a little bitty case of the vapours? :rolleyes:

Lose someone to a marijuana driver lately?

Deadly repercussions have continued to accompany growing medical marijuana use in California. The Los Angeles Times reports on statistics showing the surging number of car accidents involving high drivers over the last decade, which local law enforcement attribute to the growing number of medical marijuana users:
“The most recent assessment by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, based on random roadside checks, found that 16.3% of all drivers nationwide at night were on various legal and illegal impairing drugs, half them high on marijuana.
In California alone, nearly 1,000 deaths and injuries each year are blamed directly on drugged drivers, according to CHP data, and law enforcement puts much of the blame on the rapid growth of medical marijuana use in the last decade. Fatalities in crashes where drugs were the primary cause and alcohol was not involved jumped 55% over the 10 years ending in 2009." More Accidents with Drugged Drivers (and half of those are high on Marijuana)



The question is, do widows and widowers get depressed when a loved one who uses get killed behind the wheel when they're high? Depression is a really bad mental illness. Can we blame it when it takes the life of the user because his motor skills are impaired and he is suddenly faced with a response that requires a hair-trigger response behind the wheel to avert death of himself and/or his passengers.


Have a lovely and safe Labor Day, all.

You missed this part of your link, Becki...

Challenges to Research



A lot of debate exists on whether or not marijuana should be considered a teratogen since it can not ultimately be concluded that marijuana causes birth defects. Anywhere between 5 to 30 percent of mothers reported marijuana use during their pregnancies (Plumbo, n.d.). It is difficult to determine whether developmental abnormalities that occur in infants whose mothers used marijuana are actually caused by the marijuana or by other factors. Researchers cannot separate the use of marijuana from other maternal factors such as lifestyle, previous or multiple drug use, nutrition, and lack of prenatal care (Gurnee & Sylvestri, n.d.). It has also been argued that only excessive marijuana abuse leads to complications in the exposed fetus, and this may not be because of the actual marijuana itself, but rather because of the side effects of the drug on the mother such as malnutrition (Johnson, 1998). In addition, it is possible that mothers who purchase marijuana may not have the resources to provide their baby with proper care because of their socioeconomic status.



Like any other social drug that may be considered a teratogen, there are certain factors that influence how marijuana effects the fetus. These factors include the amount of marijuana that is used, at which point in development the marijuana is used, the duration of usage, other environmental influences, and the fetus' susceptibility to the drug (Gurnee & Sylvestri, n.d.). It has been claimed that marijuana has minimal effects on a fetus if the mother smokes less than three grams of marijuana per day, which is an extremely high dosage (Johnson, 1998). There are critical periods of prenatal development in which certain aspects of development may be affected more. According to Dr. Richard S. Abram, author of Will It Hurt the Baby?, marijuana usage during the first trimester of pregnancy probably will not lead to defects (Marijuana Passion, n.d.). If a mother is exposed to other teratogens, then it is hard to conclude that marijuana usage is what caused birth defects.



There are other cultural and medical implications involving marijuana usage among pregnant mothers. A medical anthropoligist from the University of Massachusetts, Melanie Dreher, and colleagues conducted research in Jamaica during the 1980s and 1990s and found that many Jamaican pregnant mothers smoked marijuana to relieve nausea associated with morning sickness, to treat depression, to help fatigue, and to promote appetites (1994). Among these women, there were no reports of longitudinal birth defects or behaviorial problems.

Not surprising that your 'source' contradicts itself with a disclaimer at the bottom of the page...
 
Just as there’ll always be a ‘war on terror,’ there’ll always be a ‘war on drugs,’ including marijuana.

The politicians are too fearful of the voters to do otherwise.
It is also a large government job producer.
Without a war on drugs lots of federal law enforcement people would be looking for work.
 
no one has ever died from smoking pot

being put in jail for pot is more dngerous to ypur health than smoking pot

legalize or decriminalize already

That's not true at all. There have been many deaths where pot was "cut" (ie taking 5 ounces and turning it into 10 for profit by adding other substances to it) with deadly materials that ended with the death of someone who smoked it.

One thing funny about the pro-narcotics crowd, they never think for a split second that the supply chain includes some of the most vicious, ruthless, heartless people in the world. They are not particularly concerned with providing you with a quality product.

Eliminate the ridiculous prohibition and those 'vicious, ruthless, heartless people' get cut out of the supply chain. Simple, ain't it?
 
Uh, when I was living in Europe I watched a BBC special on the subject where one of their reporters did marijuana for a couple months under the study of doctors and psychologists. The BBC....you know those "bible thumpers from OKC." :eusa_whistle:

Well, their study showed she had medical problems like weight gain, loss of memory, slower reaction times, and damage to her lungs. The mental problems were mentioned in other patients through the years by the medical personnel in the documentary, but of course BBC must be funded by Jimmy Swaggert, eh?
Bullshit.

I doubt you've been anywhere (near) Europe.


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I believe a 'pothead' would be defined as someone who smokes marijuana from dawn to dusk with barely a moment's respite in between.
That's the big difference between Belief & Knowledge.

Knowledge is something attained.

Belief is reserved for those (folks) too-fuckin'-lazy to pursue Knowledge.

(You know.....like Believing in talking-snakes.)
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Aw, how nice. I bet guys who smoked Mary jay and now are growing a pair of girlie breasts don't have any mental problem whatever with their new look! :lmao:

Oh, and how about having a kid who will always have a head the size of your fist? Can a mental health professional fix his people-glance-down paranoia for that one?

And God forbid should we want children!!! Mary Jay will fix ya!

And :woohoo: for the superbrat family! THC exposure during pregnancy or lactation can sure make a difference in whether your kid is a candidate for ritalin! His behavior may drive ya to drink or smoke more THC yet. Long live unbridled, high-pitched and erratic behavior for the 18-year duration of "childhood" under the influence of his-mommie-and-daddy-did-too-much-thc!!! :woohoo:

These lovely little pearls come from Marijuana: Teratogenic Effects

Now, why the hell would anyone think that experiencing any or all of these little problems of such a delightful high would cause a little bitty case of the vapours? :rolleyes:

Lose someone to a marijuana driver lately?




[/INDENT]The question is, do widows and widowers get depressed when a loved one who uses get killed behind the wheel when they're high? Depression is a really bad mental illness. Can we blame it when it takes the life of the user because his motor skills are impaired and he is suddenly faced with a response that requires a hair-trigger response behind the wheel to avert death of himself and/or his passengers.


Have a lovely and safe Labor Day, all.

You missed this part of your link, Becki...

Challenges to Research



A lot of debate exists on whether or not marijuana should be considered a teratogen since it can not ultimately be concluded that marijuana causes birth defects. Anywhere between 5 to 30 percent of mothers reported marijuana use during their pregnancies (Plumbo, n.d.). It is difficult to determine whether developmental abnormalities that occur in infants whose mothers used marijuana are actually caused by the marijuana or by other factors. Researchers cannot separate the use of marijuana from other maternal factors such as lifestyle, previous or multiple drug use, nutrition, and lack of prenatal care (Gurnee & Sylvestri, n.d.). It has also been argued that only excessive marijuana abuse leads to complications in the exposed fetus, and this may not be because of the actual marijuana itself, but rather because of the side effects of the drug on the mother such as malnutrition (Johnson, 1998). In addition, it is possible that mothers who purchase marijuana may not have the resources to provide their baby with proper care because of their socioeconomic status.



Like any other social drug that may be considered a teratogen, there are certain factors that influence how marijuana effects the fetus. These factors include the amount of marijuana that is used, at which point in development the marijuana is used, the duration of usage, other environmental influences, and the fetus' susceptibility to the drug (Gurnee & Sylvestri, n.d.). It has been claimed that marijuana has minimal effects on a fetus if the mother smokes less than three grams of marijuana per day, which is an extremely high dosage (Johnson, 1998). There are critical periods of prenatal development in which certain aspects of development may be affected more. According to Dr. Richard S. Abram, author of Will It Hurt the Baby?, marijuana usage during the first trimester of pregnancy probably will not lead to defects (Marijuana Passion, n.d.). If a mother is exposed to other teratogens, then it is hard to conclude that marijuana usage is what caused birth defects.



There are other cultural and medical implications involving marijuana usage among pregnant mothers. A medical anthropoligist from the University of Massachusetts, Melanie Dreher, and colleagues conducted research in Jamaica during the 1980s and 1990s and found that many Jamaican pregnant mothers smoked marijuana to relieve nausea associated with morning sickness, to treat depression, to help fatigue, and to promote appetites (1994). Among these women, there were no reports of longitudinal birth defects or behaviorial problems.
Not surprising that your 'source' contradicts itself with a disclaimer at the bottom of the page...
Pinestra, a baby with a head the size of your fist which never gets much bigger. Think that one over. The trouble with Marijuana is that it acts in synergy whatever it is put with. That means if you are taking just a little bit of something else to make you feel good, if you add a little THC to the picture it's going to heighten the effect. Older adults who enjoy the buzz of marijuana may know when they've had enough recreational use. They're not the problem, and police are highly reluctant to haul in people who respect the potency of what drug mixtures can be, who use in their home and refuse to operate machinery or a car while they're relaxing.

In another parameter, kids can be reckless. All of a sudden they're 18 or 21 and have all this stuff pushed at them by their friends. They agree to have a couple of beers. When they're relaxed, they may have their first doobie. At that point, in their new paradigm, they're gonna live forever, what else is there. Coupla little pills? First thing you know, they're spreading their wings and jumping off a 3-story roof. Very sad.

You know better. Kids don't.

People who do marijuana are only going to zero in on studies that are to their liking. The only thing these studies fail to tell you is "Is the scientist a pro-user of marijuana?" And they don't have to tell you, they just publish the pro-marijuana, super health drug crap in the Onion with a little blue subscript 1, 2, and 3 link to another study which may or may not support the study they're proferring.

I've looked at the other aspects of marijuana use. It curls my toenails. This pretty little picture people who use have in their minds from drinking in pro-marijuana studies that take only one sliver of the picture and proffer it as why "everybody must get stoned" goes along with the sales package. It doesn't go along with the psycho-social aspects of marijuana as the other woman in a relationship (or the gigolo for that matter). Scientific studies not based on empirical statistics will never go there.

The other thing marijuana studies eschew is that in medicine, there are far more effective panaceas than having someone smoke weed, which is also a synergist for mesoplasmia (precancer) in the lung, and when that person also uses tobacco in the office, say, to get him or her through the day, that is putting something like adding two packs a day usage on lung systems on top of what is already being inhaled.

I didn't make these parameters of THC usage, Guy. I just know what they are. I was spellbound by reading about the effects of marijuana back in the 80s because the stuff is so gruesome as a synergistic agent. If you will locate Si Modo's post, she has updated research that fortifies all that I learned about this social drug. She also knows the whole picture but expresses it with more dignity than me. I know what it is and I hate what the drug does to babies born with smaller heads. They don't even show these online, they're too gruesome, and you don't want to see one. The reason they only show up infrequently is because use has to be within a 2-trimester frame reference when that baby is experiencing a certain stage of brain development. Also, something else I didn't mention is the infertility rate in marijuana use in the mother before she even realizes she is expecting is high, and she may experience morning sickness, then has an unexplained period early on aka spontaneous abortion because THC really whacks out sex cells, whether it's male or female.

You really should read Si Modo's posts. Facts are facts. Si Modo was telling you the absolute and unequivocal proof. You shouldn't discount here because she is not as dramatic as me. I'm easy to whack away at because I paint the picture that my studies showed me.

Edit: Si Modo's posts were on a different thread about Marijuana. My bad. Here's a listing: Si Modo's posts about marijuana.

I'm sorry. Marijuana is not the beauty you think she is. Pretty is as pretty does.
 
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Wrong idiot, if marijuana was sold next to tobacco in stores then the medical and social welfare problems on society would out-weigh the taxes brought in from sales.
"conservative"-psychics; always shootin'-off their mouths....always wrong.

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In what ways is pot worse then alcohol?

In what way is the war on drugs different then prohibition?

Do you think it is harder for high school kids to get pot or alcohol?

Just some simple questions.



Alcohol is like 10x more potent than weed. Smoke a J, and you'll be in a good mood. Take a few shots of whiskey and you end up getting wasted, potentially throwing up and blacking out. I smoked pot all through High School. I've had tons of get togethers with friends where we just toked it up and no one ever got sick or had to go to the hospitial, in fact everyone was usually pretty chill (imagine that:p). I've gone to less than 10 parties where the booze were provided (or BYOB) and pot smoking was confined to about 5-6 out of 30+ people. In those alcohol-dominate parties I've seen people go to hospitals, dozens of fights, people getting their headlights busted, cop interventions, people walking around butt naked, rape attempts (and probably rape where we didn't see), dozens of blackouts, I even saw a guy put his cigar out on a passed-out dude's face. (ouch)

Do you think it is harder for high school kids to get pot or alcohol?

Pot would def be harder to come buy, very VERY seldom does a person find a reliable hookup right off the bat. A qtr of pot costs usually $25 and wouldn't last a night of parting. The same $25 can be used to buy 60 beers. Anyone 21 years and older can easily buy alcohol for a minor because you can buy it ANYWHERE, Wal-mart, brown derby, gas stations, I've even seen booze in Dollar General lol.

Alcohol, on average and compared to weed, is cheaper and much more available. It is also much more potent, all that makes for a dangerous combination if you ask me.
 
Spontaneous regression of septum pellucidum/forniceal pilocytic astrocytomas--possible role of Cannabis inhalation.
Foroughi M, Hendson G, Sargent MA, Steinbok P.
Source

Division of Pediatric Neurosurgery, Department of Surgery, BC Children's Hospital, 4480 Oak Street, Vancouver, BC, Canada, V6H 3V4.
Abstract
INTRODUCTION:

Spontaneous regression of pilocytic astrocytoma after incomplete resection is well recognized, especially for cerebellar and optic pathway tumors, and tumors associated with Neurofibromatosis type-1 (NF1). The purpose of this report is to document spontaneous regression of pilocytic astrocytomas of the septum pellucidum and to discuss the possible role of cannabis in promoting regression.
CASE REPORT:

We report two children with septum pellucidum/forniceal pilocytic astrocytoma (PA) tumors in the absence of NF-1, who underwent craniotomy and subtotal excision, leaving behind a small residual in each case. During Magnetic Resonance Imaging (MRI) surveillance in the first three years, one case was dormant and the other showed slight increase in size, followed by clear regression of both residual tumors over the following 3-year period. Neither patient received any conventional adjuvant treatment. The tumors regressed over the same period of time that cannabis was consumed via inhalation, raising the possibility that the cannabis played a role in the tumor regression.
CONCLUSION:

We advise caution against instituting adjuvant therapy or further aggressive surgery for small residual PAs, especially in eloquent locations, even if there appears to be slight progression, since regression may occur later. Further research may be appropriate to elucidate the increasingly recognized effect of cannabis/cannabinoids on gliomas.

Spontaneous regression of septum pellucidum... [Childs Nerv Syst. 2011] - PubMed - NCBI
 

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