Keystone Pipeline Benefits?

[BluesLegend]

From my understanding is that the keystone pipeline is solely about helping Canada get to the gulf and ship oil out the US and has nothing to do with: 1. Getting the US more oil (like many like myself were led to believe) and 2. Not about producing and sending any of our oil anywhere.

Please correct me if I am wrong, but other than the over inflated (yes the right lies about the number of jobs that are created, just like the left does) temporary jobs, what is the big benefit to the US that we continue fight back and forth over.

If it truly was about getting more Canadian oil to the stated, then I am for it. It should more forward, but if it's solely about getting Canadian oil to the gulf, then I have no idea why (other then generous kickbacks), whey the Republicans are pushing for this so hard!

Keystone XL pipeline

Wow, thank you.

Sadly the willfully ignorant and those whose brains have already been washed by Big Oil, and the few others Keystone XL will benefit, will continue to make Keystone XL a mission; a mission no different than those who scream Benghazi, Solyndra, Death Panels and the dozens of hysterical outrages posted since Obama was nominated and later elected President of the United States.

Oh piss off. You need to get up to speed. The Keystone is complete. Crude is flowing.

XL is just the northern leg that would also pick up crude from the Bakkens in Montana and North Dakota.

This is complete and utter bullshit that Canada needs to ship oil to the Gulf to ship to other countries.

Seriously how geographically retarded are you left wingers? We have both east and west big blue things called FUCKING OCEANS on either coast.

You know. Called the Pacific and the Atlantic.

Is the fuel produced from tar sands a pollutant? Does it do more or less harm to the environment then other forms of crude oil. Are the battery's in hybrid cars a greater pollutant today than the refinement of tar sands? Are solar, wind and hydroelectric cleaner sources of energy than tar sands. And, why are you so cock sure that tar sands are better than renewable and green sources of energy? Do you have a personal stake in the building of the pipeline? Do the people whose water source is at risk have any say in the matter, or do you want them to piss off too?

Liberal cities dump raw sewage into public waterways, pollute the sky for miles around, and generate unimaginable tons of garbage destined for land fills...I think you libs have bigger problems to solve.

 

[CowboyTed]

From my understanding is that the keystone pipeline is solely about helping Canada get to the gulf and ship oil out the US and has nothing to do with: 1. Getting the US more oil (like many like myself were led to believe) and 2. Not about producing and sending any of our oil anywhere.

Please correct me if I am wrong, but other than the over inflated (yes the right lies about the number of jobs that are created, just like the left does) temporary jobs, what is the big benefit to the US that we continue fight back and forth over.

If it truly was about getting more Canadian oil to the stated, then I am for it. It should more forward, but if it's solely about getting Canadian oil to the gulf, then I have no idea why (other then generous kickbacks), whey the Republicans are pushing for this so hard!

Keystone XL pipeline

Wow, thank you.

Sadly the willfully ignorant and those whose brains have already been washed by Big Oil, and the few others Keystone XL will benefit, will continue to make Keystone XL a mission; a mission no different than those who scream Benghazi, Solyndra, Death Panels and the dozens of hysterical outrages posted since Obama was nominated and later elected President of the United States.

Oh piss off. You need to get up to speed. The Keystone is complete. Crude is flowing.

XL is just the northern leg that would also pick up crude from the Bakkens in Montana and North Dakota.

This is complete and utter bullshit that Canada needs to ship oil to the Gulf to ship to other countries.

Seriously how geographically retarded are you left wingers? We have both east and west big blue things called FUCKING OCEANS on either coast.

You know. Called the Pacific and the Atlantic.

Is the fuel produced from tar sands a pollutant? Does it do more or less harm to the environment then other forms of crude oil. Are the battery's in hybrid cars a greater pollutant today than the refinement of tar sands? Are solar, wind and hydroelectric cleaner sources of energy than tar sands. And, why are you so cock sure that tar sands are better than renewable and green sources of energy? Do you have a personal stake in the building of the pipeline? Do the people whose water source is at risk have any say in the matter, or do you want them to piss off too?

None of your post means jack shit because whether you or anyone else likes it or not this crude is being purchased and refined by refineries in Canada and the US. And that will not stop with the blockade of XL.

More than happy one day to discuss the broader issues of renewables, solar and wind. But that's not for the here and now.

Being a mega conservationist since Grassy Narrows I personally believe that a pipeline is the safest method of transfer of crude to refineries. The technology has come up to speed.

I trust pipelines far more than rail or transport truck. The Keystone is built. This is just strictly a dog and pony show. The XL is just the northern leg which would transport Bakken crude to refineries as well.

It's just a fucking pipeline.

Now on to water. That has been my passion for 40 years now. From mercury poisoning to leading a fight in Southern Ontario to protect an aquifer I lived on from intensive hog farming to battling for pure water for First Nations who are consistently under boil water advisories. Oh and still battling intensive hog farming out here too.

Before I started peeping off and supporting the XL I researched. I don't buy into spin. I believe it is truly the safest way to transport the crude.

It's pick your poison on how you want it delivered. I made my choice.

Actually I would let the pipeline go ahead as a trade off on reduction of Coal emissions standards and more bodies to enforce those standards.

You want it, you get it but it will cost.

 

[Dot Com]

Hey Bulldog! Did you protest the Alberta Clipper that was just finished? Or Southern Lights that was just finished?

Or Keystone I, II, II or the lateral 3b)?

Where were you and Dot, Siete, Darryl Hannah, Niel Young and the asshole in the White House for all those other pipelines?

We're talking about this particular line. You know.......the only one republicans made into a national question by making so many outrageous claims about, and all those claims were lies?

yeah tinyd, we're talking about tar sands here

So what? You have fields in California with heavier crude.

we aren't strip mining pristine boreal tundra tinydancer

http://www.nrdc.org/energy/files/keystonexlmyths.pdf

Open-pit mining lays waste to millions of acres of carbon-
storing Boreal forest. The Canadian Boreal forest is one of
the world’s largest storehouses of carbon. To produce just
one barrel of oil, these trees are felled, and tons of earth are
scooped up by massive backhoes. The oil-laden soil is then
loaded into trucks the size of houses and carted off to an
extraction plant for initial processing

 

[Vigilante]

Well we wouldn't have one of these Warren Buffett Oil TRAIN EXPLOSIONS with 40 people missing!

 

[Wry Catcher]

From my understanding is that the keystone pipeline is solely about helping Canada get to the gulf and ship oil out the US and has nothing to do with: 1. Getting the US more oil (like many like myself were led to believe) and 2. Not about producing and sending any of our oil anywhere.

Please correct me if I am wrong, but other than the over inflated (yes the right lies about the number of jobs that are created, just like the left does) temporary jobs, what is the big benefit to the US that we continue fight back and forth over.

If it truly was about getting more Canadian oil to the stated, then I am for it. It should more forward, but if it's solely about getting Canadian oil to the gulf, then I have no idea why (other then generous kickbacks), whey the Republicans are pushing for this so hard!

Keystone XL pipeline

Wow, thank you.

Sadly the willfully ignorant and those whose brains have already been washed by Big Oil, and the few others Keystone XL will benefit, will continue to make Keystone XL a mission; a mission no different than those who scream Benghazi, Solyndra, Death Panels and the dozens of hysterical outrages posted since Obama was nominated and later elected President of the United States.

Oh piss off. You need to get up to speed. The Keystone is complete. Crude is flowing.

XL is just the northern leg that would also pick up crude from the Bakkens in Montana and North Dakota.

This is complete and utter bullshit that Canada needs to ship oil to the Gulf to ship to other countries.

Seriously how geographically retarded are you left wingers? We have both east and west big blue things called FUCKING OCEANS on either coast.

You know. Called the Pacific and the Atlantic.

Is the fuel produced from tar sands a pollutant? Does it do more or less harm to the environment then other forms of crude oil. Are the battery's in hybrid cars a greater pollutant today than the refinement of tar sands? Are solar, wind and hydroelectric cleaner sources of energy than tar sands. And, why are you so cock sure that tar sands are better than renewable and green sources of energy? Do you have a personal stake in the building of the pipeline? Do the people whose water source is at risk have any say in the matter, or do you want them to piss off too?

Liberal cities dump raw sewage into public waterways, pollute the sky for miles around, and generate unimaginable tons of garbage destined for land fills...I think you libs have bigger problems to solve.

You think? I doubt it. But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Post some evidence of liberal cities vis a vis cities you consider not liberal.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Hey Bulldog! Did you protest the Alberta Clipper that was just finished? Or Southern Lights that was just finished?

Or Keystone I, II, II or the lateral 3b)?

Where were you and Dot, Siete, Darryl Hannah, Niel Young and the asshole in the White House for all those other pipelines?

We're talking about this particular line. You know.......the only one republicans made into a national question by making so many outrageous claims about, and all those claims were lies?

yeah tinyd, we're talking about tar sands here

So what? You have fields in California with heavier crude.

we aren't strip mining pristine boreal tundra tinydancer

http://www.nrdc.org/energy/files/keystonexlmyths.pdf

Open-pit mining lays waste to millions of acres of carbon-
storing Boreal forest. The Canadian Boreal forest is one of
the world’s largest storehouses of carbon. To produce just
one barrel of oil, these trees are felled, and tons of earth are
scooped up by massive backhoes. The oil-laden soil is then
loaded into trucks the size of houses and carted off to an
extraction plant for initial processing

It takes a lot of energy to run a modern society.
More than we can produce with unreliable wind and solar.
If the warmers were telling the truth about the dangers of too much CO2, they'd be pushing for
new nuclear reactors to power new fleets of electric vehicles.
But I guess they prefer melting icecaps to nukes.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Hey Bulldog! Did you protest the Alberta Clipper that was just finished? Or Southern Lights that was just finished?

Or Keystone I, II, II or the lateral 3b)?

Where were you and Dot, Siete, Darryl Hannah, Niel Young and the asshole in the White House for all those other pipelines?

We're talking about this particular line. You know.......the only one republicans made into a national question by making so many outrageous claims about, and all those claims were lies?

yeah tinyd, we're talking about tar sands here

So what? You have fields in California with heavier crude.

we aren't strip mining pristine boreal tundra tinydancer

http://www.nrdc.org/energy/files/keystonexlmyths.pdf

Open-pit mining lays waste to millions of acres of carbon-
storing Boreal forest. The Canadian Boreal forest is one of
the world’s largest storehouses of carbon. To produce just
one barrel of oil, these trees are felled, and tons of earth are
scooped up by massive backhoes. The oil-laden soil is then
loaded into trucks the size of houses and carted off to an
extraction plant for initial processing

It takes a lot of energy to run a modern society.
More than we can produce with unreliable wind and solar.
If the warmers were telling the truth about the dangers of too much CO2, they'd be pushing for
new nuclear reactors to power new fleets of electric vehicles.
But I guess they prefer melting icecaps to nukes.

It takes a lot of energy to run a modern society.

If the H. of Rep. appropriated funds to build solar collectors on every public building and open land in the sun belt, funded an effort to build wind geneators in the wind belts, and gave tax credits to establish solar collectors on all new roofs built in our nation; fund public transportation, inter and intra the urban areas of our nation and built bullet trains to transport the goods of our nation from coast to coast and Canada to the Gulf, and rebuilt the electrical grid, we might become solve much of our problems by creating jobs and using home grown energy.

But big coal and big oil don't give a damn about anything of the sort. Ask those meeting with the Brothers Koch in Palm Springs.

 

[Vigilante]

We're talking about this particular line. You know.......the only one republicans made into a national question by making so many outrageous claims about, and all those claims were lies?

yeah tinyd, we're talking about tar sands here

So what? You have fields in California with heavier crude.

we aren't strip mining pristine boreal tundra tinydancer

http://www.nrdc.org/energy/files/keystonexlmyths.pdf

Open-pit mining lays waste to millions of acres of carbon-
storing Boreal forest. The Canadian Boreal forest is one of
the world’s largest storehouses of carbon. To produce just
one barrel of oil, these trees are felled, and tons of earth are
scooped up by massive backhoes. The oil-laden soil is then
loaded into trucks the size of houses and carted off to an
extraction plant for initial processing

It takes a lot of energy to run a modern society.
More than we can produce with unreliable wind and solar.
If the warmers were telling the truth about the dangers of too much CO2, they'd be pushing for
new nuclear reactors to power new fleets of electric vehicles.
But I guess they prefer melting icecaps to nukes.

It takes a lot of energy to run a modern society.

If the H. of Rep. appropriated funds to build solar collectors on every public building and open land in the sun belt, funded an effort to build wind geneators in the wind belts, and gave tax credits to establish solar collectors on all new roofs built in our nation; fund public transportation, inter and intra the urban areas of our nation and built bullet trains to transport the goods of our nation from coast to coast and Canada to the Gulf, and rebuilt the electrical grid, we might become solve much of our problems by creating jobs and using home grown energy.

But big coal and big oil don't give a damn about anything of the sort. Ask those meeting with the Brothers Koch in Palm Springs.

Wind generators are GOOD!!!!!

 

[tinydancer]

We're talking about this particular line. You know.......the only one republicans made into a national question by making so many outrageous claims about, and all those claims were lies?

yeah tinyd, we're talking about tar sands here

So what? You have fields in California with heavier crude.

we aren't strip mining pristine boreal tundra tinydancer

http://www.nrdc.org/energy/files/keystonexlmyths.pdf

Open-pit mining lays waste to millions of acres of carbon-
storing Boreal forest. The Canadian Boreal forest is one of
the world’s largest storehouses of carbon. To produce just
one barrel of oil, these trees are felled, and tons of earth are
scooped up by massive backhoes. The oil-laden soil is then
loaded into trucks the size of houses and carted off to an
extraction plant for initial processing

It takes a lot of energy to run a modern society.
More than we can produce with unreliable wind and solar.
If the warmers were telling the truth about the dangers of too much CO2, they'd be pushing for
new nuclear reactors to power new fleets of electric vehicles.
But I guess they prefer melting icecaps to nukes.

It takes a lot of energy to run a modern society.

If the H. of Rep. appropriated funds to build solar collectors on every public building and open land in the sun belt, funded an effort to build wind geneators in the wind belts, and gave tax credits to establish solar collectors on all new roofs built in our nation; fund public transportation, inter and intra the urban areas of our nation and built bullet trains to transport the goods of our nation from coast to coast and Canada to the Gulf, and rebuilt the electrical grid, we might become solve much of our problems by creating jobs and using home grown energy.

But big coal and big oil don't give a damn about anything of the sort. Ask those meeting with the Brothers Koch in Palm Springs.

What I find the most disappointing is that I have been hearing politicians from both sides of the aisle pay lip service on a commitment to renewables since the 70's. I used to subscribe to the Whole Earth Catalogue when I was really young . I go back that far.

They have yapped about it for decades. And I can't think of one country that has pulled off renewables successfully. You would not believe how badly the Liberal government in Ontario has screwed up their "new energy" programs. It's a nightmare. And because they were so busy lining the pockets of friends and family with subsidizing different ventures they've lost the trust of the public along with billions of dollars of taxpayer dollars.

Britain's failures are becoming legendary. Germany hasn't been able to pull it off either.

I find it outrageous that especially with the technology we have today someone out there couldn't come up with a comprehensive plan to be able to utilize fossil fuels produced as environmentally clean as possible in conjunction with renewables.

Politicians sadly will not be the ones to help us move forward.

I could go on but it's for a different thread in a different forum.

 

[TemplarKormac]

There's nothing dangerous in this - but they exaggerated the benefit so much, it was just too easy for opponents to pick apart their lies.

I can't help but note the irony here. Obamacare was oversold in the same manner, and elicited the same response from the American public. But oh, it was imperative that it be passed...you know, for the sake of uninsured Americans everywhere. The bill was so oversold, people began to see its flaws, even before it was passed by a Democratic supermajority. So you see, liberals know a lot about how to oversell, in their case however, no amount of resistance would have stopped the passage of that law. And that makes you and your party duplicitous in nature.

This is nothing more than a partisan pissing match over a largely inconsequential project.

"Largely inconsequential." I hope you're joking. Let that sink in for a moment. In my previous example, for example, in one case a healthcare law was touted as a major step and highly important. However, when it comes to things like this pipeline, it is 'largely inconsequential.' Funny, your wind sails and solar panels were supposed to engineer our energy independence by getting rid of oil as an energy source altogether; the next great thing.

But gas, as it is now, is at levels I haven't seen since I was in my freshman year at high school. If that pipeline is ever to be built, we will see prices approaching levels that haven't been seen since my Grandmother was MY age. You can bank on it. As long as there is oil, there is gas and as long as they are affordable, alternative energy will not. And as a result, you could say they will remain "largely inconsequential!"

 

[BULLDOG]

There's nothing dangerous in this - but they exaggerated the benefit so much, it was just too easy for opponents to pick apart their lies.

I can't help but note the irony here. Obamacare was oversold in the same manner, and elicited the same response from the American public. But oh, it was imperative that it be passed...you know, for the sake of uninsured Americans everywhere. The bill was so oversold, people began to see its flaws, even before it was passed by a Democratic supermajority. So you see, liberals know a lot about how to oversell, in their case however, no amount of resistance would have stopped the passage of that law. And that makes you and your party duplicitous in nature.

This is nothing more than a partisan pissing match over a largely inconsequential project.

"Largely inconsequential." I hope you're joking. Let that sink in for a moment. In my previous example, for example, in one case a healthcare law was touted as a major step and highly important. However, when it comes to things like this pipeline, it is 'largely inconsequential.' Funny, your wind sails and solar panels were supposed to engineer our energy independence by getting rid of oil as an energy source altogether; the next great thing.

But gas, as it is now, is at levels I haven't seen since I was in my freshman year at high school. If that pipeline is ever to be built, we will see prices approaching levels that haven't been seen since my Grandmother was MY age. You can bank on it. As long as there is oil, there is gas and as long as they are affordable, alternative energy will not. And as a result, you could say they will remain "largely inconsequential!"

Fuel prices can not and will not drop more than a few pennies below what they already have. That line has nothing to do with our price of gas anyway. It will all be sold overseas on the global market.

 

[percysunshine]

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Which moron is planning on building a pipe to bring $100 oil to market?
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[TemplarKormac]

Fuel prices can not and will not drop more than a few pennies below what they already have. That line has nothing to do with our price of gas anyway. It will all be sold overseas on the global market.

And just how do you arrive at the conclusion that oil production has no impact on the price per barrel of oil? If my business sense serves, it is cheaper to manufacture a product at home than abroad, meaning, it will be cheaper to sell to the consumer at home than abroad. Simple macroeconomics.

 

[tinydancer]

There's nothing dangerous in this - but they exaggerated the benefit so much, it was just too easy for opponents to pick apart their lies.

I can't help but note the irony here. Obamacare was oversold in the same manner, and elicited the same response from the American public. But oh, it was imperative that it be passed...you know, for the sake of uninsured Americans everywhere. The bill was so oversold, people began to see its flaws, even before it was passed by a Democratic supermajority. So you see, liberals know a lot about how to oversell, in their case however, no amount of resistance would have stopped the passage of that law. And that makes you and your party duplicitous in nature.

This is nothing more than a partisan pissing match over a largely inconsequential project.

"Largely inconsequential." I hope you're joking. Let that sink in for a moment. In my previous example, for example, in one case a healthcare law was touted as a major step and highly important. However, when it comes to things like this pipeline, it is 'largely inconsequential.' Funny, your wind sails and solar panels were supposed to engineer our energy independence by getting rid of oil as an energy source altogether; the next great thing.

But gas, as it is now, is at levels I haven't seen since I was in my freshman year at high school. If that pipeline is ever to be built, we will see prices approaching levels that haven't been seen since my Grandmother was MY age. You can bank on it. As long as there is oil, there is gas and as long as they are affordable, alternative energy will not. And as a result, you could say they will remain "largely inconsequential!"

Fuel prices can not and will not drop more than a few pennies below what they already have. That line has nothing to do with our price of gas anyway. It will all be sold overseas on the global market.

Prove it will all be sold overseas. Which refinery has claimed this?

Keystone is just a pipeline that transports Canadian crude and American domestic crude.

What your refineries do with the finished product has absolutely nothing to do with Keystone. How many times do you have to be told that the crude is coming to the Gulf by the Keystone line that is finished, by rail and transport?

You're not stopping the crude from coming to the Gulf or other refineries.

 

[BULLDOG]

Fuel prices can not and will not drop more than a few pennies below what they already have. That line has nothing to do with our price of gas anyway. It will all be sold overseas on the global market.

And just how do you arrive at the conclusion that oil production has no impact on the price per barrel of oil? If my business sense serves, it is cheaper to manufacture a product at home than abroad, meaning, it will be cheaper to sell to the consumer at home than abroad. Simple macroeconomics.

Of course the price of production effects the price per barrel. However, it doesn't necessarily have an effect on the price of refined products. Obviously, you don't know about "Free Trade Zones". As long as they import from Canada, refine it here, and ship it out for resale to a foreign destination, they don't have to pay taxes on the increased value from refining. If it is sold here, they do have to pay that tax. There is a huge amount of increased profit for the refineries to sell it out of the country. They will sell the refined products where they can make more money from it. For refined products from imported feedstock, that's not here.

 

[BULLDOG]

There's nothing dangerous in this - but they exaggerated the benefit so much, it was just too easy for opponents to pick apart their lies.

I can't help but note the irony here. Obamacare was oversold in the same manner, and elicited the same response from the American public. But oh, it was imperative that it be passed...you know, for the sake of uninsured Americans everywhere. The bill was so oversold, people began to see its flaws, even before it was passed by a Democratic supermajority. So you see, liberals know a lot about how to oversell, in their case however, no amount of resistance would have stopped the passage of that law. And that makes you and your party duplicitous in nature.

This is nothing more than a partisan pissing match over a largely inconsequential project.

"Largely inconsequential." I hope you're joking. Let that sink in for a moment. In my previous example, for example, in one case a healthcare law was touted as a major step and highly important. However, when it comes to things like this pipeline, it is 'largely inconsequential.' Funny, your wind sails and solar panels were supposed to engineer our energy independence by getting rid of oil as an energy source altogether; the next great thing.

But gas, as it is now, is at levels I haven't seen since I was in my freshman year at high school. If that pipeline is ever to be built, we will see prices approaching levels that haven't been seen since my Grandmother was MY age. You can bank on it. As long as there is oil, there is gas and as long as they are affordable, alternative energy will not. And as a result, you could say they will remain "largely inconsequential!"

Fuel prices can not and will not drop more than a few pennies below what they already have. That line has nothing to do with our price of gas anyway. It will all be sold overseas on the global market.

Prove it will all be sold overseas. Which refinery has claimed this?

Keystone is just a pipeline that transports Canadian crude and American domestic crude.

What your refineries do with the finished product has absolutely nothing to do with Keystone. How many times do you have to be told that the crude is coming to the Gulf by the Keystone line that is finished, by rail and transport?

You're not stopping the crude from coming to the Gulf or other refineries.

With our decreased demand here in the US., refineries already export 60% of refined products. We don't import any appreciable amounts of refined products, so the remaining 40% already takes care of our needs. Can you give a single reason why refineries would sell the increased production from XL here instead of taking advantage of their free trade zone designation, with it's substantial tax savings, and sell it overseas?

 

[tinydancer]

There's nothing dangerous in this - but they exaggerated the benefit so much, it was just too easy for opponents to pick apart their lies.

I can't help but note the irony here. Obamacare was oversold in the same manner, and elicited the same response from the American public. But oh, it was imperative that it be passed...you know, for the sake of uninsured Americans everywhere. The bill was so oversold, people began to see its flaws, even before it was passed by a Democratic supermajority. So you see, liberals know a lot about how to oversell, in their case however, no amount of resistance would have stopped the passage of that law. And that makes you and your party duplicitous in nature.

This is nothing more than a partisan pissing match over a largely inconsequential project.

"Largely inconsequential." I hope you're joking. Let that sink in for a moment. In my previous example, for example, in one case a healthcare law was touted as a major step and highly important. However, when it comes to things like this pipeline, it is 'largely inconsequential.' Funny, your wind sails and solar panels were supposed to engineer our energy independence by getting rid of oil as an energy source altogether; the next great thing.

But gas, as it is now, is at levels I haven't seen since I was in my freshman year at high school. If that pipeline is ever to be built, we will see prices approaching levels that haven't been seen since my Grandmother was MY age. You can bank on it. As long as there is oil, there is gas and as long as they are affordable, alternative energy will not. And as a result, you could say they will remain "largely inconsequential!"

Fuel prices can not and will not drop more than a few pennies below what they already have. That line has nothing to do with our price of gas anyway. It will all be sold overseas on the global market.

Prove it will all be sold overseas. Which refinery has claimed this?

Keystone is just a pipeline that transports Canadian crude and American domestic crude.

What your refineries do with the finished product has absolutely nothing to do with Keystone. How many times do you have to be told that the crude is coming to the Gulf by the Keystone line that is finished, by rail and transport?

You're not stopping the crude from coming to the Gulf or other refineries.

With our decreased demand here in the US., refineries already export 60% of refined products. We don't import any appreciable amounts of refined products, so the remaining 40% already takes care of our needs. Can you give a single reason why refineries would sell the increased production from XL here instead of taking advantage of their free trade zone designation, with it's substantial tax savings, and sell it overseas?

XL isn't a producer. It's just the proposed additional northern leg of a pipeline.

Keystone is not an oil producer. Just a pipeline. If US refineries want to make money exporting refined products it would have nothing to do with XL. Nothing at all.

Just a pipeline.

 

[TemplarKormac]

However, it doesn't necessarily have an effect on the price of refined products.

It does. The pipeline is a pipeline. It has no refinement capacity on its own. You can't shoot someone with a bullet that's still in the box, now can you? The way it is refined and transported make all the difference.

 

[rdean]

Hooray! Now we have access to the most expensive imported oil in the world. Yippie! The price of crude oil will have to stay above $80 a barrel for Canadian oil to be profitable.....huzzah!

So your on the board and are advising them on their pipeline economics?
PS oil will be over 80 buck soon enough,never fear

So you are hoping and praying America gets ripped off. Typical Republican.

 

[Dot Com]

It takes a lot of energy to run a modern society.

If the H. of Rep. appropriated funds to build solar collectors on every public building and open land in the sun belt, funded an effort to build wind geneators in the wind belts, and gave tax credits to establish solar collectors on all new roofs built in our nation; fund public transportation, inter and intra the urban areas of our nation and built bullet trains to transport the goods of our nation from coast to coast and Canada to the Gulf, and rebuilt the electrical grid, we might become solve much of our problems by creating jobs and using home grown energy.

But big coal and big oil don't give a damn about anything of the sort. Ask those meeting with the Brothers Koch in Palm Springs.

What I find the most disappointing is that I have been hearing politicians from both sides of the aisle pay lip service on a commitment to renewables since the 70's. I used to subscribe to the Whole Earth Catalogue when I was really young . I go back that far.

They have yapped about it for decades. And I can't think of one country that has pulled off renewables successfully. You would not believe how badly the Liberal government in Ontario has screwed up their "new energy" programs. It's a nightmare. And because they were so busy lining the pockets of friends and family with subsidizing different ventures they've lost the trust of the public along with billions of dollars of taxpayer dollars.

Britain's failures are becoming legendary. Germany hasn't been able to pull it off either.

I find it outrageous that especially with the technology we have today someone out there couldn't come up with a comprehensive plan to be able to utilize fossil fuels produced as environmentally clean as possible in conjunction with renewables.

Politicians sadly will not be the ones to help us move forward.

I could go on but it's for a different thread in a different forum.