Keystone Pipeline Benefits?

[BULLDOG]

Wow, thank you.

Sadly the willfully ignorant and those whose brains have already been washed by Big Oil, and the few others Keystone XL will benefit, will continue to make Keystone XL a mission; a mission no different than those who scream Benghazi, Solyndra, Death Panels and the dozens of hysterical outrages posted since Obama was nominated and later elected President of the United States.

Oh piss off. You need to get up to speed. The Keystone is complete. Crude is flowing.

XL is just the northern leg that would also pick up crude from the Bakkens in Montana and North Dakota.

This is complete and utter bullshit that Canada needs to ship oil to the Gulf to ship to other countries.

Seriously how geographically retarded are you left wingers? We have both east and west big blue things called FUCKING OCEANS on either coast.

You know. Called the Pacific and the Atlantic.

Is the fuel produced from tar sands a pollutant? Does it do more or less harm to the environment then other forms of crude oil. Are the battery's in hybrid cars a greater pollutant today than the refinement of tar sands? Are solar, wind and hydroelectric cleaner sources of energy than tar sands. And, why are you so cock sure that tar sands are better than renewable and green sources of energy? Do you have a personal stake in the building of the pipeline? Do the people whose water source is at risk have any say in the matter, or do you want them to piss off too?

Liberal cities dump raw sewage into public waterways, pollute the sky for miles around, and generate unimaginable tons of garbage destined for land fills...I think you libs have bigger problems to solve.

You think? I doubt it. But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Post some evidence of liberal cities vis a vis cities you consider not liberal.

^^^ classic liberal response, stunned by their own ignorance and hypocrisy they choose denial.

A request for verification isn't denial dumbass.

 

[hangover]

Why do cons and BIG OIL want the taxpayers to pay for the pipe line? Fucking BIG OIL makes a half trillion dollars a year in profits, and they want us to foot the bill so they can make bigger profits. Fuck off!

 

[BluesLegend]

Oh piss off. You need to get up to speed. The Keystone is complete. Crude is flowing.

XL is just the northern leg that would also pick up crude from the Bakkens in Montana and North Dakota.

This is complete and utter bullshit that Canada needs to ship oil to the Gulf to ship to other countries.

Seriously how geographically retarded are you left wingers? We have both east and west big blue things called FUCKING OCEANS on either coast.

You know. Called the Pacific and the Atlantic.

Is the fuel produced from tar sands a pollutant? Does it do more or less harm to the environment then other forms of crude oil. Are the battery's in hybrid cars a greater pollutant today than the refinement of tar sands? Are solar, wind and hydroelectric cleaner sources of energy than tar sands. And, why are you so cock sure that tar sands are better than renewable and green sources of energy? Do you have a personal stake in the building of the pipeline? Do the people whose water source is at risk have any say in the matter, or do you want them to piss off too?

Liberal cities dump raw sewage into public waterways, pollute the sky for miles around, and generate unimaginable tons of garbage destined for land fills...I think you libs have bigger problems to solve.

You think? I doubt it. But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Post some evidence of liberal cities vis a vis cities you consider not liberal.

^^^ classic liberal response, stunned by their own ignorance and hypocrisy they choose denial.

A request for verification isn't denial dumbass.

^^^ look its the liberal version of pull my finger deflect, deny, demand proof. Which of course you idiots will ignore like you always do. If you people wish to remain ignorant I'm actually fine with that.

 

[Dot Com]

It takes a lot of energy to run a modern society.

If the H. of Rep. appropriated funds to build solar collectors on every public building and open land in the sun belt, funded an effort to build wind geneators in the wind belts, and gave tax credits to establish solar collectors on all new roofs built in our nation; fund public transportation, inter and intra the urban areas of our nation and built bullet trains to transport the goods of our nation from coast to coast and Canada to the Gulf, and rebuilt the electrical grid, we might become solve much of our problems by creating jobs and using home grown energy.

But big coal and big oil don't give a damn about anything of the sort. Ask those meeting with the Brothers Koch in Palm Springs.

What I find the most disappointing is that I have been hearing politicians from both sides of the aisle pay lip service on a commitment to renewables since the 70's. I used to subscribe to the Whole Earth Catalogue when I was really young . I go back that far.

They have yapped about it for decades. And I can't think of one country that has pulled off renewables successfully. You would not believe how badly the Liberal government in Ontario has screwed up their "new energy" programs. It's a nightmare. And because they were so busy lining the pockets of friends and family with subsidizing different ventures they've lost the trust of the public along with billions of dollars of taxpayer dollars.

Britain's failures are becoming legendary. Germany hasn't been able to pull it off either.

I find it outrageous that especially with the technology we have today someone out there couldn't come up with a comprehensive plan to be able to utilize fossil fuels produced as environmentally clean as possible in conjunction with renewables.

Politicians sadly will not be the ones to help us move forward.

I could go on but it's for a different thread in a different forum.

The public was/is influenced by propaganda produced by the special interests (Big Oil, Big Coal in this case) and for months hysteria over Solyndra was packaged as a failure of the industry, not simply one entity, with allegations that friends of the President took the money and ran.

I don't know about other parts of our country, or our friends to the north, but solar and wind energy production is obvious throughout the San Francisco Bay Area.
In the county where I live and worked, the Country Jail, sheriff and probation departments had solar panels placed on their roof as early as 2002; in my neighborhood, on the court where we live, three homes have had solar panels installed on their roofs in the last year. Homes with pools have had water heated by the sun for decades here and Hybrid cars are ubiquitous in the Bay Area; lights, emergency call phones and signage is lighted by solar energy collected during the day on freeways too.

Windmills have been built on and around the passes which bring the winds from the Pacific Ocean to the interior, and charging stations for electric cars are becoming common sites at malls and in office building parking lots.

Those who denigrate such efforts have been brainwashed by the special interest who profit from the status quo. Much like the effort to disparage the PPACA (Obamacare) it is an effort [SOCIALISM!!!!] by those who profit to protect their golden goose and those too dumb or too scared to embrace the future.

True, they've been conditioned to regurgitate the rw "its mine all mine" mantra of "yabut fossil fuels!!!"

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Why do cons and BIG OIL want the taxpayers to pay for the pipe line? Fucking BIG OIL makes a half trillion dollars a year in profits, and they want us to foot the bill so they can make bigger profits. Fuck off!

Why do cons and BIG OIL want the taxpayers to pay for the pipe line?

They don't.

 

[hangover]

Asleep at the wheel^^^^^^^

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Asleep at the wheel^^^^^^^

Wake up and learn that a private company wants to build the pipeline.

 

[danielpalos]

why has the postal gasoline fuel fleet not gone over to electric, wherever practicable?

 

[BULLDOG]

Why do cons and BIG OIL want the taxpayers to pay for the pipe line? Fucking BIG OIL makes a half trillion dollars a year in profits, and they want us to foot the bill so they can make bigger profits. Fuck off!

Why do cons and BIG OIL want the taxpayers to pay for the pipe line?

They don't.

We already gave the refineries 1 billion to upgrade their refineries to be able to refine diluted Bitumen. Some of them said thank you.

 

[Siete]

Asleep at the wheel^^^^^^^

Wake up and learn that a private company wants to build the pipeline.

wake up and learn about eminent domain

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Why do cons and BIG OIL want the taxpayers to pay for the pipe line? Fucking BIG OIL makes a half trillion dollars a year in profits, and they want us to foot the bill so they can make bigger profits. Fuck off!

Why do cons and BIG OIL want the taxpayers to pay for the pipe line?

They don't.

We already gave the refineries 1 billion to upgrade their refineries to be able to refine diluted Bitumen. Some of them said thank you.

We already gave the refineries 1 billion to upgrade their refineries to be able to refine diluted Bitumen.

Who gave them money? When? Link?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Asleep at the wheel^^^^^^^

Wake up and learn that a private company wants to build the pipeline.

wake up and learn about eminent domain

Yes, eminent domain was used to build thousands of miles of pipeline in America. And?

 

[BULLDOG]

Why do cons and BIG OIL want the taxpayers to pay for the pipe line? Fucking BIG OIL makes a half trillion dollars a year in profits, and they want us to foot the bill so they can make bigger profits. Fuck off!

Why do cons and BIG OIL want the taxpayers to pay for the pipe line?

They don't.

We already gave the refineries 1 billion to upgrade their refineries to be able to refine diluted Bitumen. Some of them said thank you.

We already gave the refineries 1 billion to upgrade their refineries to be able to refine diluted Bitumen.

Who gave them money? When? Link?

Keystone XL benefits from taxpayer subsidies - Oil Change InternationalOil Change International

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Why do cons and BIG OIL want the taxpayers to pay for the pipe line? Fucking BIG OIL makes a half trillion dollars a year in profits, and they want us to foot the bill so they can make bigger profits. Fuck off!

Why do cons and BIG OIL want the taxpayers to pay for the pipe line?

They don't.

We already gave the refineries 1 billion to upgrade their refineries to be able to refine diluted Bitumen. Some of them said thank you.

We already gave the refineries 1 billion to upgrade their refineries to be able to refine diluted Bitumen.

Who gave them money? When? Link?

Keystone XL benefits from taxpayer subsidies - Oil Change InternationalOil Change International

Thanks for the link.

Title 179C of the tax code allows the refining companies to deduct the value of these investments from their tax returns at a highly accelerated rate.

Excellent! I'm in favor of immediate expensing for all companies.

Rather than spread the expense over the life time of the equipment, say 20-30 years, the refiners are allowed to expense (i.e., deduct from their taxable income) 50% in the first year and expense the rest through the next 9 years.

Should be 100% in the first year.

This is tantamount to a massive interest free loan from the taxpayer to big oil refiners,

LOL! No it isn't.

we calculate this to cost the taxpayer between $1.0 billion and $1.8 billion.

LOL! That's funny.
The government still gets their money, just a little slower. Tough.

They'll get extra taxes from the increased profits, increased employment made possible by the new equipment.
As a liberal, I can see why you feel that anything that slows the flow of funds to the government is like giving them money.
As a conservative, I'm going to mock that attitude.

 

[tinydancer]

Hooray! Now we have access to the most expensive imported oil in the world. Yippie! The price of crude oil will have to stay above $80 a barrel for Canadian oil to be profitable.....huzzah!

So your on the board and are advising them on their pipeline economics?
PS oil will be over 80 buck soon enough,never fear

So you are hoping and praying America gets ripped off. Typical Republican.

How pray tell are you going to get ripped off?

 

[tinydancer]

Why do cons and BIG OIL want the taxpayers to pay for the pipe line? Fucking BIG OIL makes a half trillion dollars a year in profits, and they want us to foot the bill so they can make bigger profits. Fuck off!

Why do cons and BIG OIL want the taxpayers to pay for the pipe line?

They don't.

We already gave the refineries 1 billion to upgrade their refineries to be able to refine diluted Bitumen. Some of them said thank you.

We already gave the refineries 1 billion to upgrade their refineries to be able to refine diluted Bitumen.

Who gave them money? When? Link?

Keystone XL benefits from taxpayer subsidies - Oil Change InternationalOil Change International

Bullshit. Read your own fucking link because their headline is a lie.

Keystone XL and TransCanada don't get a dime. Bitch about refineries and oil companies if you want to but don't fucking lie about the pipeline.

Shit. The bullshit you people put out on a continual basis is nothing short of amazing.

 

[tinydancer]

Why do cons and BIG OIL want the taxpayers to pay for the pipe line? Fucking BIG OIL makes a half trillion dollars a year in profits, and they want us to foot the bill so they can make bigger profits. Fuck off!

Fool. TransCanada Corp. is paying for the pipeline. Get educated before you put up another ignorant post.

They paid for Keystone I, Keystone II, Keystone III, and are paying for Keystone III b the lateral.

AND they will pay for the secondary northern leg called XL.

 

[tinydancer]

Why do cons and BIG OIL want the taxpayers to pay for the pipe line? Fucking BIG OIL makes a half trillion dollars a year in profits, and they want us to foot the bill so they can make bigger profits. Fuck off!

Why do cons and BIG OIL want the taxpayers to pay for the pipe line?

They don't.

We already gave the refineries 1 billion to upgrade their refineries to be able to refine diluted Bitumen. Some of them said thank you.

Then go bitch at them.

 

[tinydancer]

Why do cons and BIG OIL want the taxpayers to pay for the pipe line? Fucking BIG OIL makes a half trillion dollars a year in profits, and they want us to foot the bill so they can make bigger profits. Fuck off!

Why do cons and BIG OIL want the taxpayers to pay for the pipe line?

They don't.

We already gave the refineries 1 billion to upgrade their refineries to be able to refine diluted Bitumen. Some of them said thank you.

We already gave the refineries 1 billion to upgrade their refineries to be able to refine diluted Bitumen.

Who gave them money? When? Link?

Keystone XL benefits from taxpayer subsidies - Oil Change InternationalOil Change International

That title should actually read

"Warren Buffet's Burlington Northern benefits from taxpayer subsidies"

 

[tinydancer]

Look you bloody left wing hypocrites why don't you go after Buffet for making a killing because Obama has been delaying the pipeline.

You keep bitching that you don't think the pipeline should be carrying the crude yet there's Buffet making a fortune because the fucking Democrats and that bastard in the White House is blocking the pipeline so they can reap donations from Buffet and Steyer.

Assholes. Hypocritical assholes all the way. The Dems are getting paid to block the pipeline. No way around it.

Buffett’s Burlington Northern Among Pipeline Winners
By Jim Efstathiou Jr. Jan 23, 2012 5:04 PM CT


Warren Buffett’s Burlington Northern Santa Fe LLC is among U.S. and Canadian railroads that stand to benefit from the Obama administration’s decision to reject TransCanada Corp. (TRP)’s Keystone XL oil pipeline permit.

Buffett s Burlington Northern Among Pipeline Winners - Bloomberg Business