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Fonda, at the time, was a confused young person who didn't know what the phuque she was doing in life. What she did was grandstanding, unnecessary and non-constructive, especially to the anti-war movement. It was not serious and not a big deal.
The enemy was the lying policy, much like Iraq, that this was somehow for America. The Vietnamese Communists were insidious sadists who sacrificed their people stupidly. They did not understand their enemy any better than the Americans understood them.
But the Communists were not the real enemy of the American people and our brave brothers and sons who all were casualties, at least psychologically, of that horrible adventure. The real enemy was America's own 'leaders'.
Unlike Iraq, however, Vietnam was not against international law. War crimes were committed, but the intervention itself was not a crime. Iraq was.
Nixon was a war criminal. Kissinger is a war criminal. So are those responsible for Iraq.
President Johnson a democrat got us into the war.
Nixon a republican got us out of the war.
Oh for Pete's sake.
Vietnam (not)war started long before LBJ was in office.
Yes it did and Eisenhower and Kennedy kept us mainly out of it and only used special forces.
It was Johnson that drafted our kids.
What nonsenseWe turned what was really a civil war into a Cold War. We had no reason to get involved ant the "Domino theory" never happenedHistorical Facts;
It is historical record that our involvement in the Viet Nam war occurred long after North Viet Nam had fully committed to Communist "colonization" of the South.
It is historical record that a Republican administration refused to enter Vietnam.
President Eisenhower relied on the judgment of our finest advisors (the Ridgeway Report) rather than political expediency, in deciding that the military requirements for such a war exceeded the probable importance to our National interests.
It is historical record that our entry into the war, and its total mis-management, was initiated and prosecuted by a Democrat administration, and President Johnson.
The agony of the Vietnam war was finally ended during a Republican administration, under President Nixon.
South Vietnam was only defeated, with tens of thousands of subsequent deaths in "Re-education Camps," after the Anti Vietnam movement encouraged a feckless Congress to ignore our promises of logistic support to South Vietnam and, ultimately, betray them.
Jane Fonda knew nothing about theses facts and she marched right into the Communists camp because she is for communism.
She was a Hollywood sex bimbo back then just like she is now.
Jane Fonda was right that it was a morally wrong war, we had no strategy to win and we're sending more and more troops in the hopes we could wear them out
Fonda was a true patriot......taking on her government for what was right
Only if you love and embrace the principals of Communism like she does.
Jane Fonda is no communist. She loves her country more than John Wayne. Fonda was willing to give up her career for what is right
John Wayne wasn't
Yes she was.
She went to many college campus's throughout the USA in the 1970's advocating for it.
Yes....to the John Birchers every liberal was a commie
JFK, Dr King, RFK, Fonda and every war protestor
She supported socialist policies. she also supported the environment, women's rights and ending the warWhat nonsenseWe turned what was really a civil war into a Cold War. We had no reason to get involved ant the "Domino theory" never happened
Jane Fonda was right that it was a morally wrong war, we had no strategy to win and we're sending more and more troops in the hopes we could wear them out
Fonda was a true patriot......taking on her government for what was right
Only if you love and embrace the principals of Communism like she does.
Jane Fonda is no communist. She loves her country more than John Wayne. Fonda was willing to give up her career for what is right
John Wayne wasn't
Yes she was.
She went to many college campus's throughout the USA in the 1970's advocating for it.
And the willful refusal to learn, change, evolve really does doom our efforts.
You have decided what you want to believe and you have no use for anything that does not feed that voracious machine.
She talked at the College campus I went to in early 1973 and she was very much for Communism.
You are the one who refuses to learn, change or evolve.
What nonsenseWe turned what was really a civil war into a Cold War. We had no reason to get involved ant the "Domino theory" never happened
Jane Fonda was right that it was a morally wrong war, we had no strategy to win and we're sending more and more troops in the hopes we could wear them out
Fonda was a true patriot......taking on her government for what was right
Only if you love and embrace the principals of Communism like she does.
Jane Fonda is no communist. She loves her country more than John Wayne. Fonda was willing to give up her career for what is right
John Wayne wasn't
Yes she was.
She went to many college campus's throughout the USA in the 1970's advocating for it.
And the willful refusal to learn, change, evolve really does doom our efforts.
You have decided what you want to believe and you have no use for anything that does not feed that voracious machine.
She talked at the College campus I went to in early 1973 and she was very much for Communism.
You are the one who refuses to learn, change or evolve.
What nonsenseWe turned what was really a civil war into a Cold War. We had no reason to get involved ant the "Domino theory" never happenedHistorical Facts;
It is historical record that our involvement in the Viet Nam war occurred long after North Viet Nam had fully committed to Communist "colonization" of the South.
It is historical record that a Republican administration refused to enter Vietnam.
President Eisenhower relied on the judgment of our finest advisors (the Ridgeway Report) rather than political expediency, in deciding that the military requirements for such a war exceeded the probable importance to our National interests.
It is historical record that our entry into the war, and its total mis-management, was initiated and prosecuted by a Democrat administration, and President Johnson.
The agony of the Vietnam war was finally ended during a Republican administration, under President Nixon.
South Vietnam was only defeated, with tens of thousands of subsequent deaths in "Re-education Camps," after the Anti Vietnam movement encouraged a feckless Congress to ignore our promises of logistic support to South Vietnam and, ultimately, betray them.
Jane Fonda knew nothing about theses facts and she marched right into the Communists camp because she is for communism.
She was a Hollywood sex bimbo back then just like she is now.
Jane Fonda was right that it was a morally wrong war, we had no strategy to win and we're sending more and more troops in the hopes we could wear them out
Fonda was a true patriot......taking on her government for what was right
Only if you love and embrace the principals of Communism like she does.
Jane Fonda is no communist. She loves her country more than John Wayne. Fonda was willing to give up her career for what is right
John Wayne wasn't
Yes she was.
She went to many college campus's throughout the USA in the 1970's advocating for it.
Many people were saying the same things she said - that we were lied to and that people were dying because of those lies. Very much like the lies we have been told about Iraq and other NOT wars.
Communism - no.
An end to the blood bath - YES. I was one of those people who lost loved ones in VN and spoke out against it. I would do that again.
If you're ever able to let go of your partisan hatred, you might just learn a thing or two about what really happened in VN. But, you are one who needs to hold on to the hate and nurse it.
That's your choice.
Oh and BTW, whether you like it or not, there is nothing illegal about believing in Communism. Not many do. Its like believing in Ayn Rand. It looks good until you get close and educate yourself. But, even if you do believe in it, its not illegal.
She supported socialist policies. she also supported the environment, women's rights and ending the warWhat nonsenseOnly if you love and embrace the principals of Communism like she does.
Jane Fonda is no communist. She loves her country more than John Wayne. Fonda was willing to give up her career for what is right
John Wayne wasn't
Yes she was.
She went to many college campus's throughout the USA in the 1970's advocating for it.
And the willful refusal to learn, change, evolve really does doom our efforts.
You have decided what you want to believe and you have no use for anything that does not feed that voracious machine.
She talked at the College campus I went to in early 1973 and she was very much for Communism.
You are the one who refuses to learn, change or evolve.
No wonder conservatives hate her
She supported socialist policies. she also supported the environment, women's rights and ending the warWhat nonsenseOnly if you love and embrace the principals of Communism like she does.
Jane Fonda is no communist. She loves her country more than John Wayne. Fonda was willing to give up her career for what is right
John Wayne wasn't
Yes she was.
She went to many college campus's throughout the USA in the 1970's advocating for it.
And the willful refusal to learn, change, evolve really does doom our efforts.
You have decided what you want to believe and you have no use for anything that does not feed that voracious machine.
She talked at the College campus I went to in early 1973 and she was very much for Communism.
You are the one who refuses to learn, change or evolve.
No wonder conservatives hate her
No she didn'tShe supported socialist policies. she also supported the environment, women's rights and ending the warWhat nonsense
Jane Fonda is no communist. She loves her country more than John Wayne. Fonda was willing to give up her career for what is right
John Wayne wasn't
Yes she was.
She went to many college campus's throughout the USA in the 1970's advocating for it.
And the willful refusal to learn, change, evolve really does doom our efforts.
You have decided what you want to believe and you have no use for anything that does not feed that voracious machine.
She talked at the College campus I went to in early 1973 and she was very much for Communism.
You are the one who refuses to learn, change or evolve.
No wonder conservatives hate her
She supported Socialist Policies and wanted complete Communism by going the route of Socialist policies.
Since then, she has grown up stayed with Socialism.
What nonsenseOnly if you love and embrace the principals of Communism like she does.
Jane Fonda is no communist. She loves her country more than John Wayne. Fonda was willing to give up her career for what is right
John Wayne wasn't
Yes she was.
She went to many college campus's throughout the USA in the 1970's advocating for it.
And the willful refusal to learn, change, evolve really does doom our efforts.
You have decided what you want to believe and you have no use for anything that does not feed that voracious machine.
She talked at the College campus I went to in early 1973 and she was very much for Communism.
You are the one who refuses to learn, change or evolve.
Then you know she called it communism with a small c. And you SHOULD know what she meant by that.
Educate yourself.
What nonsenseWe turned what was really a civil war into a Cold War. We had no reason to get involved ant the "Domino theory" never happened
Jane Fonda was right that it was a morally wrong war, we had no strategy to win and we're sending more and more troops in the hopes we could wear them out
Fonda was a true patriot......taking on her government for what was right
Only if you love and embrace the principals of Communism like she does.
Jane Fonda is no communist. She loves her country more than John Wayne. Fonda was willing to give up her career for what is right
John Wayne wasn't
Yes she was.
She went to many college campus's throughout the USA in the 1970's advocating for it.
Many people were saying the same things she said - that we were lied to and that people were dying because of those lies. Very much like the lies we have been told about Iraq and other NOT wars.
Communism - no.
An end to the blood bath - YES. I was one of those people who lost loved ones in VN and spoke out against it. I would do that again.
If you're ever able to let go of your partisan hatred, you might just learn a thing or two about what really happened in VN. But, you are one who needs to hold on to the hate and nurse it.
That's your choice.
Oh and BTW, whether you like it or not, there is nothing illegal about believing in Communism. Not many do. Its like believing in Ayn Rand. It looks good until you get close and educate yourself. But, even if you do believe in it, its not illegal.
I also lost loved ones in Viet Nam and I also was against the war and I also protested it.
Who said it was illegal to believe in big government?
No she didn'tShe supported socialist policies. she also supported the environment, women's rights and ending the warYes she was.
She went to many college campus's throughout the USA in the 1970's advocating for it.
And the willful refusal to learn, change, evolve really does doom our efforts.
You have decided what you want to believe and you have no use for anything that does not feed that voracious machine.
She talked at the College campus I went to in early 1973 and she was very much for Communism.
You are the one who refuses to learn, change or evolve.
No wonder conservatives hate her
She supported Socialist Policies and wanted complete Communism by going the route of Socialist policies.
Since then, she has grown up stayed with Socialism.
She wanted a government more responsive to the needs of the people. what conservatives like to call communism
What nonsense
Jane Fonda is no communist. She loves her country more than John Wayne. Fonda was willing to give up her career for what is right
John Wayne wasn't
Yes she was.
She went to many college campus's throughout the USA in the 1970's advocating for it.
And the willful refusal to learn, change, evolve really does doom our efforts.
You have decided what you want to believe and you have no use for anything that does not feed that voracious machine.
She talked at the College campus I went to in early 1973 and she was very much for Communism.
You are the one who refuses to learn, change or evolve.
Then you know she called it communism with a small c. And you SHOULD know what she meant by that.
Educate yourself.
I am educated.
The OWS movement is a prime example of the Workers Party wing of the small c communist movement, which is behind the “red turf roll” of the OWS rape, pillage and plunder scheme.
When we stop adopting the lexicon that builds small c communist safe houses in which to hide out, we will finally…finally…be on our way to recognizing what is happening to our Constitution. To our laws, rules and regulations.
Fonda, Pelosi, all of them are for big government control and they were the ones who started the liberal socialists of today.
What nonsenseOnly if you love and embrace the principals of Communism like she does.
Jane Fonda is no communist. She loves her country more than John Wayne. Fonda was willing to give up her career for what is right
John Wayne wasn't
Yes she was.
She went to many college campus's throughout the USA in the 1970's advocating for it.
Many people were saying the same things she said - that we were lied to and that people were dying because of those lies. Very much like the lies we have been told about Iraq and other NOT wars.
Communism - no.
An end to the blood bath - YES. I was one of those people who lost loved ones in VN and spoke out against it. I would do that again.
If you're ever able to let go of your partisan hatred, you might just learn a thing or two about what really happened in VN. But, you are one who needs to hold on to the hate and nurse it.
That's your choice.
Oh and BTW, whether you like it or not, there is nothing illegal about believing in Communism. Not many do. Its like believing in Ayn Rand. It looks good until you get close and educate yourself. But, even if you do believe in it, its not illegal.
I also lost loved ones in Viet Nam and I also was against the war and I also protested it.
Who said it was illegal to believe in big government?
And yet you believe LBJ got us into VN??
You always post the same way - like you're stuck in cement and making it up as you go along.
Yes she was.
She went to many college campus's throughout the USA in the 1970's advocating for it.
And the willful refusal to learn, change, evolve really does doom our efforts.
You have decided what you want to believe and you have no use for anything that does not feed that voracious machine.
She talked at the College campus I went to in early 1973 and she was very much for Communism.
You are the one who refuses to learn, change or evolve.
Then you know she called it communism with a small c. And you SHOULD know what she meant by that.
Educate yourself.
I am educated.
The OWS movement is a prime example of the Workers Party wing of the small c communist movement, which is behind the “red turf roll” of the OWS rape, pillage and plunder scheme.
When we stop adopting the lexicon that builds small c communist safe houses in which to hide out, we will finally…finally…be on our way to recognizing what is happening to our Constitution. To our laws, rules and regulations.
Fonda, Pelosi, all of them are for big government control and they were the ones who started the liberal socialists of today.
Okay, now you really are just making up nonsense.
SMH
The Lyndon Johnson tapes Richard Nixon s treason - BBC NewsFonda, at the time, was a confused young person who didn't know what the phuque she was doing in life. What she did was grandstanding, unnecessary and non-constructive, especially to the anti-war movement. It was not serious and not a big deal.
The enemy was the lying policy, much like Iraq, that this was somehow for America. The Vietnamese Communists were insidious sadists who sacrificed their people stupidly. They did not understand their enemy any better than the Americans understood them.
But the Communists were not the real enemy of the American people and our brave brothers and sons who all were casualties, at least psychologically, of that horrible adventure. The real enemy was America's own 'leaders'.
Unlike Iraq, however, Vietnam was not against international law. War crimes were committed, but the intervention itself was not a crime. Iraq was.
Nixon was a war criminal. Kissinger is a war criminal. So are those responsible for Iraq.
President Johnson a democrat got us into the war.
Nixon a republican got us out of the war.
Don't forget, the Birchers thought Eisenhower was a Communist, too.What nonsenseWe turned what was really a civil war into a Cold War. We had no reason to get involved ant the "Domino theory" never happenedHistorical Facts;
It is historical record that our involvement in the Viet Nam war occurred long after North Viet Nam had fully committed to Communist "colonization" of the South.
It is historical record that a Republican administration refused to enter Vietnam.
President Eisenhower relied on the judgment of our finest advisors (the Ridgeway Report) rather than political expediency, in deciding that the military requirements for such a war exceeded the probable importance to our National interests.
It is historical record that our entry into the war, and its total mis-management, was initiated and prosecuted by a Democrat administration, and President Johnson.
The agony of the Vietnam war was finally ended during a Republican administration, under President Nixon.
South Vietnam was only defeated, with tens of thousands of subsequent deaths in "Re-education Camps," after the Anti Vietnam movement encouraged a feckless Congress to ignore our promises of logistic support to South Vietnam and, ultimately, betray them.
Jane Fonda knew nothing about theses facts and she marched right into the Communists camp because she is for communism.
She was a Hollywood sex bimbo back then just like she is now.
Jane Fonda was right that it was a morally wrong war, we had no strategy to win and we're sending more and more troops in the hopes we could wear them out
Fonda was a true patriot......taking on her government for what was right
Only if you love and embrace the principals of Communism like she does.
Jane Fonda is no communist. She loves her country more than John Wayne. Fonda was willing to give up her career for what is right
John Wayne wasn't
Yes she was.
She went to many college campus's throughout the USA in the 1970's advocating for it.
Yes....to the John Birchers every liberal was a commie
JFK, Dr King, RFK, Fonda and every war protestor
What nonsense
Jane Fonda is no communist. She loves her country more than John Wayne. Fonda was willing to give up her career for what is right
John Wayne wasn't
Yes she was.
She went to many college campus's throughout the USA in the 1970's advocating for it.
Many people were saying the same things she said - that we were lied to and that people were dying because of those lies. Very much like the lies we have been told about Iraq and other NOT wars.
Communism - no.
An end to the blood bath - YES. I was one of those people who lost loved ones in VN and spoke out against it. I would do that again.
If you're ever able to let go of your partisan hatred, you might just learn a thing or two about what really happened in VN. But, you are one who needs to hold on to the hate and nurse it.
That's your choice.
Oh and BTW, whether you like it or not, there is nothing illegal about believing in Communism. Not many do. Its like believing in Ayn Rand. It looks good until you get close and educate yourself. But, even if you do believe in it, its not illegal.
I also lost loved ones in Viet Nam and I also was against the war and I also protested it.
Who said it was illegal to believe in big government?
And yet you believe LBJ got us into VN??
You always post the same way - like you're stuck in cement and making it up as you go along.
Did Johnson do this or not?
In early 1965, Johnson authorised ‘Operation Rolling Thunder’, which started on February 24th. This was the wholesale bombing of North Vietnam and NLF-held territory in South Vietnam. Initially, ‘Operation Rolling Thunder’ was meant to last for eight weeks – it lasted for three years. The NLF responded to the bombing by attacking US air bases in the South Vietnam. The commander of US advisors in the South, General Westmoreland, informed Johnson that the men he had in the South were inadequate to defend their bases and that he needed more men. Johnson responded by sending in US troops – this time they were not ‘advisors’. On March 8th 1965, 3,500 US Marines – combat troops - arrived in South Vietnam. Johnson sold this deployment to the US public by claiming that they would be in South Vietnam as a short-term measure. In a poll held in 1965, 80% of those Americans polled indicated that they supported Johnson.
Lyndon Johnson and Vietnam
Yes she was.
She went to many college campus's throughout the USA in the 1970's advocating for it.
Many people were saying the same things she said - that we were lied to and that people were dying because of those lies. Very much like the lies we have been told about Iraq and other NOT wars.
Communism - no.
An end to the blood bath - YES. I was one of those people who lost loved ones in VN and spoke out against it. I would do that again.
If you're ever able to let go of your partisan hatred, you might just learn a thing or two about what really happened in VN. But, you are one who needs to hold on to the hate and nurse it.
That's your choice.
Oh and BTW, whether you like it or not, there is nothing illegal about believing in Communism. Not many do. Its like believing in Ayn Rand. It looks good until you get close and educate yourself. But, even if you do believe in it, its not illegal.
I also lost loved ones in Viet Nam and I also was against the war and I also protested it.
Who said it was illegal to believe in big government?
And yet you believe LBJ got us into VN??
You always post the same way - like you're stuck in cement and making it up as you go along.
Did Johnson do this or not?
In early 1965, Johnson authorized ‘Operation Rolling Thunder’, which started on February 24th. This was the wholesale bombing of North Vietnam and NLF-held territory in South Vietnam. Initially, ‘Operation Rolling Thunder’ was meant to last for eight weeks – it lasted for three years. The NLF responded to the bombing by attacking US air bases in the South Vietnam. The commander of US advisor's in the South, General Westmoreland, informed Johnson that the men he had in the South were inadequate to defend their bases and that he needed more men. Johnson responded by sending in US troops – this time they were not ‘advisors’. On March 8th 1965, 3,500 US Marines – combat troops - arrived in South Vietnam. Johnson sold this deployment to the US public by claiming that they would be in South Vietnam as a short-term measure. In a poll held in 1965, 80% of those Americans polled indicated that they supported Johnson.
Lyndon Johnson and Vietnam
The Vietnam "conflict" --- war, military action, whatever we call it -- started a decade before that.
According to the terms of the Geneva Accords, Vietnam would hold national elections in 1956 to reunify the country. The division at the seventeenth parallel, a temporary separation without cultural precedent, would vanish with the elections. The United States, however, had other ideas. Secretary of State John Foster Dulles did not support the Geneva Accords because he thought they granted too much power to the Communist Party of Vietnam.If there's one guy at whose feet we can lay the blame for starting the whole thing, it isn't Johnson or Nixon or Kennedy or even so much Eisenhower -- it would be John Foster Dulles.
Instead, Dulles and President Dwight D. Eisenhower supported the creation of a counter-revolutionary alternative south of the seventeenth parallel. The United States supported this effort at nation-building through a series of multilateral agreements that created the Southeast Asia Treaty Organization (SEATO).
South Vietnam Under Ngo Dinh Diem
Using SEATO for political cover, the Eisenhower administration helped create a new nation from dust in southern Vietnam. In 1955, with the help of massive amounts of American military, political, and economic aid, the Government of the Republic of Vietnam (GVN or South Vietnam) was born. The following year, Ngo Dinh Diem, a staunchly anti-Communist figure from the South, won a dubious election that made him president of the GVN. Almost immediately, Diem claimed that his newly created government was under attack from Communists in the north. Diem argued that the Democratic Republic of Vietnam (DRV or North Vietnam) wanted to take South Vietnam by force. In late 1957, with American military aid, Diem began to counterattack. He used the help of the American Central Intelligence Agency to identify those who sought to bring his government down and arrested thousands. Diem passed a repressive series of acts known as Law 10/59 that made it legal to hold someone in jail if s/he was a suspected Communist without bringing formal charges.
Eisenhower, a Republican, oversaw a refusal to accept political reality in a country where the US had no business intervening. Kennedy, Johnson and Nixon continued and compounded the egregious policy. Americans paid with blood and money, as with Iraq.
The enemy was and is political agendas that sacrifice America and Americans (and countless other people, of course).
Whether you like it or not Nixon ended the Viet Nam war.
Ending the Vietnam War
Nope.
OK smarty pants who did?
And don't say it was the protestors because they protested for years and the war still continued.
