J. Marion Sims: Pioneer of Medical Science Now Erased From History BY History

[MindWars]

J. Marion Sims, often called The Father Of Modern Gynecology---- how many women's lives has he saved by his pioneering work? So much so that they erected a statue to him in Central Park where it has stood for ONE HUNDRED AND TWENTY YEARS --- --- --- now gone.

Why?

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Not just a general pioneer in the field of surgery, his most significant work was to develop a surgical technique for the repair of vesicovaginal fistula, a severe complication of obstructed childbirth. Sims conformed to accepted medical practices of the time, he performed surgery for a therapeutic result, and the women he operated on suffered what could be a catastrophic condition for their health and quality of life.

There is only one problem: medical science and techniques were still very crude and in their developmental stages back in the 1840s. Anesthesia was only then beginning to become available and not wholly accepted, and the standard at the time to try out new procedures was quite naturally: on slaves.

But these women all suffered from a medical condition and Sims helped them. Not only did they get helped and cured, for free, but they advanced the field of medicine. Back in the 1840s, this is how things were done. The man was a pioneer and a hero.

Now today though, he is being seen through the eyes of a world 170 years later hell bent on condemning all aspects of slavery. Despite all the good he did and his good intentions and standards for the day, none of that matters now. He operated on slaves as all doctors did in pioneering medical work back then, they were usually brought to him by their owners because they were very ill and it was hoped he could treat and help them, but therefore: VERY BAD MAN. His statue after 120 years has been removed from Central Park to cleanse the conscience of a PC world gone mad to forget its own history.

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Once adorning the New York Academy of Medicine, his statue is now being moved to be hidden in shame in the cemetery near where he is buried. Until now, he was honored "for his service to suffering women, Empress and slave alike."

Central Park statue of gynecologist J. Marion Sims removed

I need to carry a bucket around because commies make me want to puke at every turn.

 

[MindWars]

There is nothing new there that I already didn't know! And if you read it, it is all positive!

Not really, dude... Butchering people trying to figure out how their lady parts worked is hardly "positive".

At worst you can say it wasn't an ideal situation, mistakes were made and they were working in the dark trying to find solutions where none had been found before using the crude and limited methods and knowledge of the time. These were the first ventures into what became modern medicine.

Again, do I have to explain consent to you? The issue here is CONSENT. These women didn't AGREE to be test subjects. They didn't have any say in the matter when Sims bought them, started hacking on them without anesthesia while other men watched him do it. And if he tried that shit on healthy white women, they'd have lynched his ass.

Oh how comes you all don't say that for abortions. Oh I know it's a useless clump of cells . Uhh indoctrination works so well on zombies.

 

[MindWars]

Mao called his cleansing of Chinese history "cultural-revolution"

Which has nothing to do with the discussion at hand. Statues of fairies that never existed aren't quite the same thing as a torturer we know did awful things.

That's why simple things go right the fk over a left tards head.

 

[JoeB131]

You will obviously always be myopic on the issue, condemning a man for events long done and cannot be changed,

No, they can't be changed, but we can take away the honor he stole in doing so.

complaining of consent that you don't know wasn't given, by people who at that time had no ability to consent to anything so consent was given by those who had capacity to do so, and other issues ad neaseum which were endemic of the time, not the man.

The point is that as a slave, they couldn't give consent. That's the problem. It was morally wrong then and it's morally wrong now.

 

[JoeB131]

Oh how comes you all don't say that for abortions. Oh I know it's a useless clump of cells . Uhh indoctrination works so well on zombies.

Fetuses can't give consent... that's the point. because they are just clumps of cells that don't feel pain.

That's why simple things go right the fk over a left tards head.

It's not complicated.

Sims tortured women in the name of "Science". These women had no rights. therefore, his statues need to be removed from places of honor.

We shouldn't forget that he existed.. Just put what he did in the right perspective.

 

[Aba Incieni]

Oh how comes you all don't say that for abortions. Oh I know it's a useless clump of cells . Uhh indoctrination works so well on zombies.

Fetuses can't give consent... that's the point. because they are just clumps of cells that don't feel pain.

That's why simple things go right the fk over a left tards head.

It's not complicated.

Sims tortured women in the name of "Science". These women had no rights. therefore, his statues need to be removed from places of honor.

We shouldn't forget that he existed.. Just put what he did in the right perspective.

Those are clumps of human cells. Just like you are.

But not to worry, the plan is working perfectly. Negative black growth achieved already in NYC.

Far from being chocolate brown, the future is looking lily white.

 

[toobfreak]

It was morally wrong then and it's morally wrong now.

It is morally wrong NOW. It was NOT morally wrong then. You just don't get it. You weren't alive then. Quit trying to assign modern values on people you never knew like you actually think you know better than the people who actually lived back then what was moral and what wasn't. The very fact that they built STATUES to this guy and honored him should be enough to tell you their morals were totally different from today. No one was telling this guy to STOP! STOP! But it just doesn't get through to you. In his day, he was the best there was, he was state of the art, and his work saved countless lives, brought innumerable people great relief, and advanced the field of medicine immeasurably.

Fetuses can't give consent... that's the point. because they are just clumps of cells that don't feel pain. These women had no rights.

I can't believe I just read that. You babbling idiot---- after all your shit and brainless double-talk, you are going to stand there and actually try to tell people that a fetus doesn't feel pain? A fucking PLANT feels pain. The very fact that a fetus has a nervous system tells you it feels pain. It just cannot shout out or express it in a way we see. What a brainless dope you are. How do you even show your face here? But you finally admit one thing: a fetus cannot give consent, and yes, these (slave) women HAD NO RIGHTS, by virtue of the fact they were slaves. That was the nature of slavery. They were property, like a lamp, and that's why slavery was abolished. But just as you cannot blame a child for releasing a parking brake and wrecking a parked car because it didn't know better, you cannot judge 19th century people by 21st century standards. It was THEIR time and THEIR standards. Period.

 

[JoeB131]

The very fact that they built STATUES to this guy and honored him should be enough to tell you their morals were totally different from today.

They build statues to Hitler and Stalin.. By your logic, those guys were moral at the times they lived.

No one was telling this guy to STOP! STOP!

They would have if he pulled that shit on free white women.

Probably would have tarred and feathered him, too, if he left a sponge in her and she got an infection.

I can't believe I just read that. You babbling idiot---- after all your shit and brainless double-talk, you are going to stand there and actually try to tell people that a fetus doesn't feel pain?

Uh, guy, Scientists say that the pain receptors of a fetus don't activate until the 20th week of pregnancy. Most abortions are performed before then.

Do Fetuses Feel Pain? What the Science Says

A fucking PLANT feels pain.

Anything I add would just detract from the hilarity of that statement.

But just as you cannot blame a child for releasing a parking brake and wrecking a parked car because it didn't know better, you cannot judge 19th century people by 21st century standards. It was THEIR time and THEIR standards. Period.

Except people at that time knew slavery was wrong. It's why we had a civil war. It wasn't like people slapped themselves on the forhead one more morning in 1865 and say, "What were we thinking?" They knew what they were doing was wrong.

 

[toobfreak]

They build statues to Hitler and Stalin.. By your logic, those guys were moral at the times they lived.

You're an idiot. If you knew anything about logic, you would recognize black & white reasoning which is a logical fallacy.

They would have if he pulled that shit on free white women.

So your claiming that Sims never operated on a white woman? C'mon, make that claim.

Probably would have tarred and feathered him, too, if he left a sponge in her and she got an infection.

Yep. No doctor has ever left a sponge or a tool in a patient.

Uh, guy, Scientists say that the pain receptors of a fetus don't activate until the 20th week of pregnancy.

Uh, guy, a fetus is a fetus until it is born, at around 36 weeks. You said fetuses don't feel pain.

Anything I add would just detract from the hilarity of that statement.

It helps to stay ignorant and not even bother to research the topic, then laugh at what you don't know.

Except people at that time knew slavery was wrong. It's why we had a civil war.

Except a lot of people disagreed about the merits and THAT is why they had a war. Irrelevant anyway, slavery was legal for decades while his medical research was going on.

 

[JoeB131]

Except a lot of people disagreed about the merits and THAT is why they had a war. Irrelevant anyway, slavery was legal for decades while his medical research was going on.

Yup.

And now everyone who was on the WRONG side of that argument is going to be purged from any place of honor.

Deal with it. Burn the flags and tear down the statues.

 

[toobfreak]

Except a lot of people disagreed about the merits and THAT is why they had a war. Irrelevant anyway, slavery was legal for decades while his medical research was going on.

Yup.

And now everyone who was on the WRONG side of that argument is going to be purged from any place of honor.

Deal with it. Burn the flags and tear down the statues.

There are no right and wrong sides, only popular and unpopular, and if anything is moved or burned, it is mostly out of haste and fear of being caught up in the political correctness having the mob of miscreant haters and anarchists coming after you too.

So . . . .

You have your work cut out for you.

There are a hundred other similarly bad things to protest and burn in the 19th Century.
A thousand in the 18th century.
Ten thousand in the 17 century, and so on.

SHAME on ALL of these people for not having the wisdom and foresight to see the mistakes of their times.

When you have erased, destroyed, burned and denied all the past history that doesn't sit comfortable with you, then you can start all over writing history as you think it should have been.