J. Marion Sims: Pioneer of Medical Science Now Erased From History BY History

[JoeB131]

As the father of gynocological surgery, he DID perform these operations on white women.

After he butchered dozens of unwilling black women before he figured out what he was doing.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

As the father of gynocological surgery, he DID perform these operations on white women.

After he butchered dozens of unwilling black women before he figured out what he was doing.

Medical advancement. It was always a brutal and bloody business. He cured a lot of those black women too. Otherwise his procedures would never have been perfected enough to use on white women.

Many times the worst treatments were practiced on prisoners, of every color. Lobotomies were given to mostly whites. Electric shock treatments were given mostly to whites. Hysterectomies without anesthesia were routinely performed on white women as a cure for their emotionalism.

You just need to get real and put aside your afrocentricism.

 

[toobfreak]

He cut into one lady 17 times for what would be an outpatient procedure today. Actually, Germany throws their Nazis in Jail. We should follow their lead.

Man, you are like a turd-brained infection that resists all manner of antibiotic. Sorry your brain is so poisoned with utterly rank stupidity, self-loathing, racism and prejudice. What is (according to you) an outpatient procedure today (as if you'd know) doesn't mean JACK SHIT to what a doctor dealt with 170 years ago. Had you been a sick person back then and Sims saved your life, you would be singing a different tune now. Sims will forever be revered as the father of modern gynecology who devoted his life to helping the sick be well. You, are just a douche bag.

 

[toobfreak]

As the father of gynocological surgery, he DID perform these operations on white women.

After he butchered dozens of unwilling black women before he figured out what he was doing.

Got the list of names, douche bag? Have their sworn statements? Statements from their owners? Eyewitnesses testifying they were taken against their will with no medical need and were sorry they ever went and a credible link which documents it? Otherwise, STFU little cockroach and go back to your usual pastime of sticking penknives in rag dolls and burning ants with a magnifying glass.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Sims performed his procedures on women who would benefit which would prove him right or wrong. Otherwise he could carve on corpses all day long.

The complaints are from those who can't stand it that all this knowledge came from a white man.

 

[Snouter]

BULLDOG needs to learn about jewish "physicians," "dentists" and "orthodontists" in the past 50 years in America's most expensive towns and cities. Basically incompetent idiots or butchers.

 

[Two Thumbs]

Anything and everything will be cleansed by leftists.

Their hatred is so deep and strong they can't see the good anyone has ever done, all they look at is the bad.

Ask any of them to say some good about America and all you will get is; obama

You do realize that experimenting on people without their permission is bad, right?

The fact that you had to point that out...

and yet you both worship fdr.

 

[JoeB131]

Medical advancement. It was always a brutal and bloody business. He cured a lot of those black women too. Otherwise his procedures would never have been perfected enough to use on white women.

Many times the worst treatments were practiced on prisoners, of every color. Lobotomies were given to mostly whites. Electric shock treatments were given mostly to whites. Hysterectomies without anesthesia were routinely performed on white women as a cure for their emotionalism.

You just need to get real and put aside your afrocentricism.

Nobody puts up statues of the guys who performed hysterectomies as a treatment for mental illness.

Got the list of names, douche bag? Have their sworn statements? Statements from their owners? Eyewitnesses testifying they were taken against their will with no medical need and were sorry they ever went and a credible link which documents it? Otherwise, STFU little cockroach and go back to your usual pastime of sticking penknives in rag dolls and burning ants with a magnifying glass.

Guy, I already posted links...

Here's another one for you.

The ‘Father of Modern Gynecology’ Performed Shocking Experiments on Slaves

Today, we know three of the names of the female fistula patients from Sims’s owns records—Lucy, Anarcha, and Betsey. The first one he operated on was 18-year-old Lucy, who had given birth a few months prior and hadn’t been able to control her bladder since. During the procedure, patients were completely naked and asked to perch on their knees and bend forward onto their elbows so their heads rested on their hands. Lucy endured an hour-long surgery, screaming and crying out in pain, as nearly a dozen other doctors watched. As Sims later wrote, “Lucy’s agony was extreme.” She became extremely ill due to his controversial use of a sponge to drain the urine away from the bladder, which led her to contract blood poisoning. “I thought she was going to die…it took Lucy two or three months to recover entirely from the effects of the operation,” he wrote.

 

[JoeB131]

Man, you are like a turd-brained infection that resists all manner of antibiotic. Sorry your brain is so poisoned with utterly rank stupidity, self-loathing, racism and prejudice. What is (according to you) an outpatient procedure today (as if you'd know) doesn't mean JACK SHIT to what a doctor dealt with 170 years ago. Had you been a sick person back then and Sims saved your life, you would be singing a different tune now. Sims will forever be revered as the father of modern gynecology who devoted his life to helping the sick be well. You, are just a douche bag.

Except what he was treating wasn't a life threatening disease.

And butchering slaves was immoral 170 years ago just as it would be today.

It was just legal, but lost of shit was "legal" that we know today was just wrong.

 

[Lysistrata]

The lengths to which right-wingers will go to ignore the rights of people, particularly female people and darker-hued people, to sovereignty over their own physical bodies is absolutely disgusting. An open and thorough discussion of this issue is way overdue. Nothing can erase the fact that people were put through this horribly painful procedure by this man without their consent, even if it might have benefited some other people down the road.
This man knowingly violated the rights of the people he experimented on. For shame to try and advertise him as some great contributor to the welfare of human kind. He was a Mengele. No one should honor what he did.

 

[toobfreak]

Guy, I already posted links...

There is nothing new there that I already didn't know! And if you read it, it is all positive! Other than that, it is things that were necessary at the time, beyond a physician's control or pure supposition. At worst you can say it wasn't an ideal situation, mistakes were made and they were working in the dark trying to find solutions where none had been found before using the crude and limited methods and knowledge of the time. These were the first ventures into what became modern medicine.

 

[toobfreak]

that we know today was just wrong.

Finally, KEYWORD: you finally get something right--- --- what we know TODAY. Just like sailing out to sea you won't go off the edge of the world. Hind sight is a blessed thing. Too bad it's a far easier thing than foresight. Until now, we never had jackasses who condemned people for not seeing ahead to how things would be and what would be known centuries in the future.

 

[Coyote]

J. Marion Sims, often called The Father Of Modern Gynecology---- how many women's lives has he saved by his pioneering work? So much so that they erected a statue to him in Central Park where it has stood for ONE HUNDRED AND TWENTY YEARS --- --- --- now gone.

Why?

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Not just a general pioneer in the field of surgery, his most significant work was to develop a surgical technique for the repair of vesicovaginal fistula, a severe complication of obstructed childbirth. Sims conformed to accepted medical practices of the time, he performed surgery for a therapeutic result, and the women he operated on suffered what could be a catastrophic condition for their health and quality of life.

There is only one problem: medical science and techniques were still very crude and in their developmental stages back in the 1840s. Anesthesia was only then beginning to become available and not wholly accepted, and the standard at the time to try out new procedures was quite naturally: on slaves.

But these women all suffered from a medical condition and Sims helped them. Not only did they get helped and cured, for free, but they advanced the field of medicine. Back in the 1840s, this is how things were done. The man was a pioneer and a hero.

Now today though, he is being seen through the eyes of a world 170 years later hell bent on condemning all aspects of slavery. Despite all the good he did and his good intentions and standards for the day, none of that matters now. He operated on slaves as all doctors did in pioneering medical work back then, they were usually brought to him by their owners because they were very ill and it was hoped he could treat and help them, but therefore: VERY BAD MAN. His statue after 120 years has been removed from Central Park to cleanse the conscience of a PC world gone mad to forget its own history.

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Once adorning the New York Academy of Medicine, his statue is now being moved to be hidden in shame in the cemetery near where he is buried. Until now, he was honored "for his service to suffering women, Empress and slave alike."

Central Park statue of gynecologist J. Marion Sims removed

He experimented on them and some women we

J. Marion Sims, often called The Father Of Modern Gynecology---- how many women's lives has he saved by his pioneering work? So much so that they erected a statue to him in Central Park where it has stood for ONE HUNDRED AND TWENTY YEARS --- --- --- now gone.

Why?

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Not just a general pioneer in the field of surgery, his most significant work was to develop a surgical technique for the repair of vesicovaginal fistula, a severe complication of obstructed childbirth. Sims conformed to accepted medical practices of the time, he performed surgery for a therapeutic result, and the women he operated on suffered what could be a catastrophic condition for their health and quality of life.

There is only one problem: medical science and techniques were still very crude and in their developmental stages back in the 1840s. Anesthesia was only then beginning to become available and not wholly accepted, and the standard at the time to try out new procedures was quite naturally: on slaves.

But these women all suffered from a medical condition and Sims helped them. Not only did they get helped and cured, for free, but they advanced the field of medicine. Back in the 1840s, this is how things were done. The man was a pioneer and a hero.

Now today though, he is being seen through the eyes of a world 170 years later hell bent on condemning all aspects of slavery. Despite all the good he did and his good intentions and standards for the day, none of that matters now. He operated on slaves as all doctors did in pioneering medical work back then, they were usually brought to him by their owners because they were very ill and it was hoped he could treat and help them, but therefore: VERY BAD MAN. His statue after 120 years has been removed from Central Park to cleanse the conscience of a PC world gone mad to forget its own history.

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Once adorning the New York Academy of Medicine, his statue is now being moved to be hidden in shame in the cemetery near where he is buried. Until now, he was honored "for his service to suffering women, Empress and slave alike."

Central Park statue of gynecologist J. Marion Sims removed

You are absolutely right. The nerve of those ingrateful people who just didn't appreciate the medical care they received, and at no cost to them. Here are a bunch of other ungrateful takers who probably never even thanked the medical personell who experimented on them for free.

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Completely different eras and contexts. But leave it to a hateful bigoted lefty Marxist dupe like you to conflate them for your own bigoted purposes.

Really? The victims in both cases had no choice in the experimentation where they were regularly disfigured and/or died from brutal butchery with no anesthetic, and you consider it a plus that they weren't charger for their unwanted "treatment". That's just disgusting.

They were dying a particularly painful death as it was. They received treatment and went on to live healthy lives. How disgusting is that?

The procedures were performed with no anesthetic, but procedures were performed with no anesthetic all the time. It was before anesthesia was widely used. Do you know that WHITE MEN had legs cut off with no anesthetic at all?

How do you know they were dying
? Did they consent to the surgery?

 

[Aba Incieni]

This great man's pioneering work has led to more black abortions in NYC than live births.

Margie Sanger, take a bow. Your plan is working perfectly.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

This great man's pioneering work has saved millions of women's lives. Which might be why leftists hate him so much. He saved white women.

 

[toobfreak]

He experimented on them and some women we

Well, of course. There was no treatment, no cure for these things. They didn't even have the tools to get up in there and look around. No one had ever looked into trying to work on or treat that part of the body. They covered the body head to toe back then and sex was something not discussed between polite people outside the bedroom. So yes, this was totally experimental, it had to be. They were in the dark, finding their way, developing specialized tools, techniques and methods and this wasn't anything that could be done meaningfully on a rabbit, etc., so the inescapable fact is that is had to be worked on people, and at the time, slaves were common practice, considered property and so of less value than others. We can condemn it now, but we can't even pretend to understand a time when some people were considered mere "property," (and slaves saw themselves as property as well), so, it might make us feel good to condemn it now two centuries later in our age of "enlightenment," but the truth of the matter is that we have no real idea the world back then and can only extrapolate from the preserved writings of the day. All we can really say for sure is that if not for what they did then, we wouldn't have and know what we do now!

 

[Aba Incieni]

He experimented on them and some women we

Well, of course. There was no treatment, no cure for these things. They didn't even have the tools to get up in there and look around. No one had ever looked into trying to work on or treat that part of the body. They covered the body head to toe back then and sex was something not discussed between polite people outside the bedroom. So yes, this was totally experimental, it had to be. They were in the dark, finding their way, developing specialized tools, techniques and methods and this wasn't anything that could be done meaningfully on a rabbit, etc., so the inescapable fact is that is had to be worked on people, and at the time, slaves were common practice, considered property and so of less value than others. We can condemn it now, but we can't even pretend to understand a time when some people were considered mere "property," (and slaves saw themselves as property as well), so, it might make us feel good to condemn it now two centuries later in our age of "enlightenment," but the truth of the matter is that we have no real idea the world back then and can only extrapolate from the preserved writings of the day. All we can really say for sure is that if not for what they did then, we wouldn't have and know what we do now!

For all we know, 100 years from now some people will be appalled that humans owned "pets."

 

[EvilCat Breath]

He experimented on them and some women we

Well, of course. There was no treatment, no cure for these things. They didn't even have the tools to get up in there and look around. No one had ever looked into trying to work on or treat that part of the body. They covered the body head to toe back then and sex was something not discussed between polite people outside the bedroom. So yes, this was totally experimental, it had to be. They were in the dark, finding their way, developing specialized tools, techniques and methods and this wasn't anything that could be done meaningfully on a rabbit, etc., so the inescapable fact is that is had to be worked on people, and at the time, slaves were common practice, considered property and so of less value than others. We can condemn it now, but we can't even pretend to understand a time when some people were considered mere "property," (and slaves saw themselves as property as well), so, it might make us feel good to condemn it now two centuries later in our age of "enlightenment," but the truth of the matter is that we have no real idea the world back then and can only extrapolate from the preserved writings of the day. All we can really say for sure is that if not for what they did then, we wouldn't have and know what we do now!

For all we know, 100 years from now some people will be appalled that humans owned "pets."

With the advancement of AI and intelligent machines, the mechanics of the future might be appalled that humans owned cars and required those cars take them wherever they wanted to go. The heavy equipment will be the new slaves. No one asked that truck if they wanted to go to Arizona.

 

[JoeB131]

There is nothing new there that I already didn't know! And if you read it, it is all positive!

Not really, dude... Butchering people trying to figure out how their lady parts worked is hardly "positive".

At worst you can say it wasn't an ideal situation, mistakes were made and they were working in the dark trying to find solutions where none had been found before using the crude and limited methods and knowledge of the time. These were the first ventures into what became modern medicine.

Again, do I have to explain consent to you? The issue here is CONSENT. These women didn't AGREE to be test subjects. They didn't have any say in the matter when Sims bought them, started hacking on them without anesthesia while other men watched him do it. And if he tried that shit on healthy white women, they'd have lynched his ass.

 

[toobfreak]

There is nothing new there that I already didn't know! And if you read it, it is all positive!

Not really, dude... Butchering people trying to figure out how their lady parts worked is hardly "positive".

At worst you can say it wasn't an ideal situation, mistakes were made and they were working in the dark trying to find solutions where none had been found before using the crude and limited methods and knowledge of the time. These were the first ventures into what became modern medicine.

Again, do I have to explain consent to you? The issue here is CONSENT. These women didn't AGREE to be test subjects. They didn't have any say in the matter when Sims bought them, started hacking on them without anesthesia while other men watched him do it. And if he tried that shit on healthy white women, they'd have lynched his ass.

You will obviously always be myopic on the issue, condemning a man for events long done and cannot be changed, calling legitimate medical research & development of the day butchery and complaining of consent that you don't know wasn't given, by people who at that time had no ability to consent to anything so consent was given by those who had capacity to do so, and other issues ad neaseum which were endemic of the time, not the man.