Its time to stop supporting Cain

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    I personally like Cain and some of his ideas but it is clear that he is not only out of his league but his flip flops are epic in size.

    He appears to really lack the principles that we need in our president. On no less than 3 issues he has changed his position at least twice. And two of those he changed his position 3 times in the same day. One or two changes over a long period could be overlooked. Fact is he tries to excuse his change of position by blaming it on "joking". A sense of humor is great but we got serious problems and we need a serious candidate.

    Then their is the whole experience thing. I was willing to overlook a lack of govt experience for a sound economicly minded potus but.... The lack of experience is glaringly obvious when he can't seem to hold a position solid.

    Which leads me to my final reason. Seemingly he has no core convictions worthy of standing up for. To change ones position so many times is a perfect example of not having a good set of core principles.

    He is clearly different than Obama as far as govt intrusion goes but he is much to similar to him in the area of caving in. Compromise is one thing but abandoning your principles is unacceptable for me.
     
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    I'm getting off the Cain Train. We still have time though.
     
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    Which would be consistent for a businessman.

    Indeed, Cain ran his ‘campaign’ like an ad campaign: come up with a marketing scheme and if that fails to get results come up with another then another until something clicks. That may work for selling pizzas, but not running for president.
     
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    I really wanted Cain for awhile. But after watching him in the debates I've concluded Obama would trounce him in any debates. Simply saying "your calculations are wrong" won't cut it in the general. Obama offered vagueries in 08. That's not gonna fly again.
     
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    It's almost as funny as blindly supporting a failed president. Except of course for one thing. Were learning the failings of our person before any elections while you guys blindly ignore the problems glaring you right in the face year after year.
     
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    Wow, that was fast. Easy come, easy go in the search for the latest "Not Romney" GOP candidate who is actually a conservative.

    So what are our choices, then?

    Romney? Again, I think that he's been at this for five years now, and he's never exceeded the 25% of GOP voters he had 4 years ago. He a virtual garuntee a third party will form.

    Perry- Formidable fundraiser, has actual experience in governance. But it really looks like he decided to do this on a lark and doesn't have the oragnization yet.

    Gingrich- Smarter than the rest of them combined, but more personal baggage than anyone would want to deal with.

    Ron Paul- Nuts.

    Michelle Bachmann- Crazy. And broke.

    John Huntsman. - Dude, I think you are in the wrong party. Besides, he's broke.

    Santorum- No, seriously?

    I still think this fight for the soul of the Republican Party is going to come down to Romney and Perry, at the end of the day. Polls aside, I think Perry would have the better chance of beating Obama.
     
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    Who's left then? You people (righties) are in between a rock & a hard place at this moment.
     
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    As much as our party denies it, our field is not what I would like to see. Stragglers from past years are holding us back in my opinion. Although I do like Newt despite his personal issues. I'll take whatever I can get as long as they intend to reverse all the job killing bullshit but I want some real options for 2016. We need fresh ideas to come to the forefront.
     
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    I couldn't agree more.
     
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    I love Cain too, but think he lacks what it takes to win the general. His 9-9-9 plan would raise taxes on many in the middle class and that is just something I can't stomach, not at a time when we are in such a horrific recession. It would end the child tax credit and end the mortgage interest rate deduction. This 9% sales tax would be on everything from a gallon of milk to a gallon of gasoline.

    This tax would also not be applied to used goods, therefore everyone would be purchasing used goods in order to avoid the 9% on new. What would happen to the producers and retailers of new goods should this tax be applied? They could see a tremendous reduction in demand for the new goods, thereby causing further unemployment. I find this aspect very troubling. Few of us make or sell used products, we sell and make new products from clothing to cars and trucks.
     

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