It Doesn't Make Any Sense To Attack The US About Climate Change When China Is Killing The Planet

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It makes no sense to decimate the energy industry in the United States when China is the primary culprit.

30 years ago most of China's working population got around on foot or on a bicycle. Today they are the fastest growing economy on the planet, thanks to the world's online shopping habits. Consequently they also are the world's leading emitter of greenhouse gases.

While Democrats are busy gutting our ability to mine our natural resources, China is building new coal fired energy plants, all the while trying to suck up as much of the world's fossil-fuels as they can to keep their expanding economy from collapsing. They're bribing our politicians. Politicians that would never give US energy producers any slack....but allow China to do pretty much whatever they want. The Western world has agreed to exempt countries like the PRC and India, two of the worst polluters on planet.

China is using so much coal that their air quality is similar to, or worse than, the air quality in Europe during the height of the industrial revolution.

An estimated 1.24 million people died from exposure to air pollution in the PRC in 2017, according to a recent study in the medical journal The Lancet. Since 2000, the number of people who have died from air pollution in the PRC tops 30 million, according to New Scientist magazine.
“Too much of the Chinese Communist Party’s economy is built on willful disregard for air, land, and water quality,” Secretary of State Michael R. Pompeo said in August. “The Chinese people — and the world — deserve better.”
The PRC has been the world’s largest annual emitter of greenhouse gases since 2006, and its emissions are increasing. Energy-related emissions of carbon dioxide in the PRC have increased more than 80 percent between 2005 and 2019, while U.S. energy-related emissions dropped by more than 15 percent during the same period, according to the International Energy Agency.

China is killing it's citizens and the planet at an alarming rate.....but if you ask a liberal/progressive about this....they don't know what you're talking about. And they are planning on increasing their emissions. They aren't cutting....they've just agreed to cap it at a set level....which, thanks to the wokes in the US and Europe, hasn't been reached yet. China isn't looking seriously for alternatives when they can get away with using a cheap source they're using today (Coal). They also aren't attempting to develop clean coal technology because they know that it would make energy more expensive to produce.

The only way the PRC can clear the smog is by shutting everything down for weeks, other than a few energy plants. They did this in the last Olympics in Beijing. Beijing was like a ghost town during the 2008 Summer Olympics.
A prime example of what happens when China shuts everything down and then restarts it after a military parade they held to celebrate the 70th anniversary of the defeat of Japan during WW II.

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"Beijing CNN —​
Well, that was quick.​
Less than 24 hours after the end of China’s massive military parade, Beijing is back to its usual smoggy self.​
Residents woke up Friday morning to find the crystal blue skies that graced the city nearly two weeks suddenly gone – in their place, the familiar sight and smell of dour gray pollution clouds.​
Starting late August, Beijing enjoyed a rare string of continuously clear days as authorities took drastic action to ensure an azure backdrop for the largest parade it’s ever held – a showcase marking the 70th anniversary of Japan’s defeat in World War II.​
Hundreds of factories were shut during this time, while half of Beijing’s five million registered cars were banned from the streets.​

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It worked. On the morning of the parade, the air quality index (AQI) – an international standard for measuring the severity of air pollution – dipped to a pristine 17 out of 500, signifying very healthy air.​
Excited Beijingers coined the unusually blue skies “parade blue.”​
But now the cars are back and the city is back to “Beijing gray.”​
Friday’s AQI shot up past 160 in parts of the city, rated “unhealthy”."​


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As long as you acknowledge CO2 (other GHG emissions) is the problem, its great and you and others have Conceded the AGW debate.
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As long as you acknowledge CO2 (other GHG emissions) is the problem, its great and you and others have lost the AGW debate. thanks


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How do you expect to have a conversation with anyone on that pseudo-scientific fairy tale, when they don't even care about the soot and other particulate matter that is clearly detrimental to human life?
 
Yeah the asshole Democrats don’t even want people cooking with natural gas stoves, as they think that is going to save the planet.

thire real wish is just to make energy costs in the us way more expensive for everyone and break the back of oil companies eventually.



it will devastate the lifestyle of most poor Americans but it won’t change the lifestyle of these politicians at all. They will have their millions and anything they want.
 
STATEMENT: "It makes no sense to decimate the energy industry in the United States when China is the primary culprit."

RESPONSE: You're an idiot. Does it mean you can rob a bank when others do so?

As for any effort to decimate coal, oil and fracking is on going simply because green and renewable energy sources are funded is an absurdity.

Before Trump the U.S. was the leading nation of nations after the 2nd world war, in civil rights, the strongest economy and the efforts to defeat Communism and fascism.
 
STATEMENT: "It makes no sense to decimate the energy industry in the United States when China is the primary culprit."

RESPONSE: You're an idiot. Does it mean you can rob a bank when others do so?

As for any effort to decimate coal, oil and fracking is on going simply because green and renewable energy sources are funded is an absurdity.

Before Trump the U.S. was the leading nation of nations after the 2nd world war, in civil rights, the strongest economy and the efforts to defeat Communism and fascism.
Took a whole ten posts to get to the inevitable.... :laugh2:

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Country
CO2 Emissions
(tons, 2016)
1 Year
Change
Population
(2016)
Per
capita
Share
of world
40Qatar98,990,0851.79%2,654,37437.290.28%
92Montenegro16,249,0392.27%627,26425.900.05%
39Kuwait101,492,2251.36%3,956,87525.650.28%
72Trinidad and Tobago34,974,263-5.92%1,377,56025.390.10%
28United Arab Emirates218,788,6844.43%9,360,98023.370.61%
42Oman87,835,7732.09%4,479,21919.610.25%
7Canada675,918,610-1.00%36,382,94418.581.89%
115Brunei7,672,1273.54%419,80018.280.02%
99Luxembourg10,144,6323.45%579,26417.510.03%
80Bahrain24,458,3842.50%1,425,79217.150.07%
14Australia414,988,700-0.98%24,262,71217.101.16%
83Estonia22,402,4141.01%1,316,51017.020.06%
177Gibraltar572,7083.53%33,73716.980.00%
202Falkland Islands48,5681.51%2,92816.590.00%
11Saudi Arabia517,079,4070.92%32,443,44715.941.45%
2United States5,011,686,600-2.01%323,015,99515.5214.02%
45Turkmenistan79,279,2160.63%5,662,36814.000.22%
26Kazakhstan231,919,5401.64%17,830,90113.010.65%
9South Korea604,043,8300.45%50,983,45711.851.69%
137Iceland3,923,8841.62%332,20611.810.01%
21Taiwan276,724,8681.91%23,618,20011.720.77%
134Bahamas4,404,2471.51%377,93011.650.01%
4Russia1,661,899,300-2.13%145,275,38311.444.65%
37Czech Republic (Czechia)111,825,4281.39%10,618,85710.530.31%
175Bermuda639,3521.51%63,36210.090.00%
5Japan1,239,592,060-1.21%127,763,2659.703.47%
33Netherlands163,419,2851.63%16,981,2959.620.46%
6Germany775,752,1901.28%82,193,7689.442.17%
57Finland51,183,9603.62%5,497,7139.310.14%
23Malaysia266,251,5426.54%30,684,6548.680.74%
61Singapore48,381,7592.56%5,653,6348.560.14%
148New Caledonia2,338,7177.22%274,1918.530.01%
49Austria73,764,1121.54%8,747,3018.430.21%
41Belgium94,722,8131.53%11,354,4208.340.26%
68Ireland39,086,5655.09%4,695,7798.320.11%
64Norway43,456,0120.85%5,250,9498.280.12%
56Libya52,696,0751.52%6,492,1628.120.15%
8Iran642,560,0302.22%79,563,9898.081.80%
51Israel65,201,588-0.38%8,108,9858.040.18%
20Poland296,659,6702.67%37,989,2207.810.83%
78Bosnia and Herzegovina25,674,1200.86%3,386,2667.580.07%
1China10,432,751,400-0.28%1,414,049,3517.3829.18%
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When you look at "per capita" emmisions of CO2, China is pretty low on the list because like one out of hthree people in the world are Chinese. They have a lot of people

Canada is pretty high up when you look at it this way.
 

Country
CO2 Emissions
(tons, 2016)
1 Year
Change
Population
(2016)
Per
capita
Share
of world
40Qatar98,990,0851.79%2,654,37437.290.28%
92Montenegro16,249,0392.27%627,26425.900.05%
39Kuwait101,492,2251.36%3,956,87525.650.28%
72Trinidad and Tobago34,974,263-5.92%1,377,56025.390.10%
28United Arab Emirates218,788,6844.43%9,360,98023.370.61%
42Oman87,835,7732.09%4,479,21919.610.25%
7Canada675,918,610-1.00%36,382,94418.581.89%
115Brunei7,672,1273.54%419,80018.280.02%
99Luxembourg10,144,6323.45%579,26417.510.03%
80Bahrain24,458,3842.50%1,425,79217.150.07%
14Australia414,988,700-0.98%24,262,71217.101.16%
83Estonia22,402,4141.01%1,316,51017.020.06%
177Gibraltar572,7083.53%33,73716.980.00%
202Falkland Islands48,5681.51%2,92816.590.00%
11Saudi Arabia517,079,4070.92%32,443,44715.941.45%
2United States5,011,686,600-2.01%323,015,99515.5214.02%
45Turkmenistan79,279,2160.63%5,662,36814.000.22%
26Kazakhstan231,919,5401.64%17,830,90113.010.65%
9South Korea604,043,8300.45%50,983,45711.851.69%
137Iceland3,923,8841.62%332,20611.810.01%
21Taiwan276,724,8681.91%23,618,20011.720.77%
134Bahamas4,404,2471.51%377,93011.650.01%
4Russia1,661,899,300-2.13%145,275,38311.444.65%
37Czech Republic (Czechia)111,825,4281.39%10,618,85710.530.31%
175Bermuda639,3521.51%63,36210.090.00%
5Japan1,239,592,060-1.21%127,763,2659.703.47%
33Netherlands163,419,2851.63%16,981,2959.620.46%
6Germany775,752,1901.28%82,193,7689.442.17%
57Finland51,183,9603.62%5,497,7139.310.14%
23Malaysia266,251,5426.54%30,684,6548.680.74%
61Singapore48,381,7592.56%5,653,6348.560.14%
148New Caledonia2,338,7177.22%274,1918.530.01%
49Austria73,764,1121.54%8,747,3018.430.21%
41Belgium94,722,8131.53%11,354,4208.340.26%
68Ireland39,086,5655.09%4,695,7798.320.11%
64Norway43,456,0120.85%5,250,9498.280.12%
56Libya52,696,0751.52%6,492,1628.120.15%
8Iran642,560,0302.22%79,563,9898.081.80%
51Israel65,201,588-0.38%8,108,9858.040.18%
20Poland296,659,6702.67%37,989,2207.810.83%
78Bosnia and Herzegovina25,674,1200.86%3,386,2667.580.07%
1China10,432,751,400-0.28%1,414,049,3517.3829.18%
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When you look at "per capita" emmisions of CO2, China is pretty low on the list because like one out of hthree people in the world are Chinese. They have a lot of people

Canada is pretty high up when you look at it this way.
Yeah.....when you look at it from an irrational angle.

China has so many people that you figure you can cancel out their environmental impact with a lame, misleading, and irrelevant stat. That's like saying our cities aren't to blame for pollution because even though they pump out over 90% of our country's pollution, they have 98% of the population.....so their impact is cancelled out with a stroke of a pen.

Denial ain't just a river in Egypt too. :iagree:
 
pknopp Maybe this analogy will help you understand the problem. If China turns the volume to max on the 'Coarse Tune' knob, what good does it do for America to turn the 'Fine Tune' knob all the way down?

Depends on whether or not it's the right thing to do.
 

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