it begins....pastor says romney is not a christian

[JakeStarkey]

Romney VS Obama...Romney wins hands down!

Based on what? His stellar performance as a businessman? Yeah, outsourcing jobs is really popular these days. His record of shipping jobs overseas should serve him well.

How about his term as governor of Massachusetts. Excellent record there right? Oh wait...MA was 47th in job creation when he was governor. How's that going to play in Peoria?

And how about the campaign commercials that will run if Romney is the GOP nominee? The work has already been done. It will just take some editing to have Romney debate Romney on just about every issue.

Oh, this is going to be fun.

LOL... You libs just don't get it. You can try to to point fingers at GOP candidates 'til the cows come home. But here's the news flash- This isn't going to be an election about the challengers- no matter how much you want to make it so. This is going to be an election about Obama's abysmal record on the economy- HIS FAILURES!

clevergirl, this election is not going to be a walk home for the GOP. Obama will make it class warfare (arguing the 1% called it 'class warfare' when the other 99% fights back). Most Americans distrust the Hard Right as much or as more as they do the Hard Left.

We can play this as carefully as we can in the GOP, but this election is Obama's to win or lose. Why do you think we are dithering over candidates the way we are?

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

The Texas pastor who introduced Gov. Rick Perry at Friday's Values Voters Summit in Washington told reporters that he does not believe that former Massachusetts Mitt Romney is a Christian, and called Romney's Mormon faith a "cult."

"Well, Rick Perry's a Christian. He's an evangelical Christian, a follower of Jesus Christ," Dr. Robert Jeffress told NBC News. "Mitt Romney's a good moral person but he's not a Christian. Mormonism is not Christianity. It has always been considered a cult by the mainstream of Christianity. So it's the difference between a Christian and a non-Christian."

Perry's campaign quickly distanced itself from the words of the pastor. The Texas governor, according to campaign spokesman Mark Miner, does not believe Mormonism is a cult.

First Read - Pastor backing Perry: Romney not a Christian


if we have learned anything ....its that one cannot distance themselves from their ministers

the religious destruction of romney has began....and will continue

If people didn't throw obama out for reverand wright I doubt they will toss romeny over being a mormon. And that pastor is an a-hole for giving romney grief over his choice in religion as a free american.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Based on what? His stellar performance as a businessman? Yeah, outsourcing jobs is really popular these days. His record of shipping jobs overseas should serve him well.

How about his term as governor of Massachusetts. Excellent record there right? Oh wait...MA was 47th in job creation when he was governor. How's that going to play in Peoria?

And how about the campaign commercials that will run if Romney is the GOP nominee? The work has already been done. It will just take some editing to have Romney debate Romney on just about every issue.

Oh, this is going to be fun.

LOL... You libs just don't get it. You can try to to point fingers at GOP candidates 'til the cows come home. But here's the news flash- This isn't going to be an election about the challengers- no matter how much you want to make it so. This is going to be an election about Obama's abysmal record on the economy- HIS FAILURES!

clevergirl, this election is not going to be a walk home for the GOP. Obama will make it class warfare (arguing the 1% called it 'class warfare' when the other 99% fights back). Most Americans distrust the Hard Right as much or as more as they do the Hard Left.

We can play this as carefully as we can in the GOP, but this election is Obama's to win or lose. Why do you think we are dithering over candidates the way we are?

Thats going to be a hard sale for most who have a political eye open. Because most members of congress are part of the 1 percenters

 

[rightwinger]

LOL... You libs just don't get it. You can try to to point fingers at GOP candidates 'til the cows come home. But here's the news flash- This isn't going to be an election about the challengers- no matter how much you want to make it so. This is going to be an election about Obama's abysmal record on the economy- HIS FAILURES!

clevergirl, this election is not going to be a walk home for the GOP. Obama will make it class warfare (arguing the 1% called it 'class warfare' when the other 99% fights back). Most Americans distrust the Hard Right as much or as more as they do the Hard Left.

We can play this as carefully as we can in the GOP, but this election is Obama's to win or lose. Why do you think we are dithering over candidates the way we are?

Thats going to be a hard sale for most who have a political eye open. Because most members of congress are part of the 1 percenters

Not even close....

But they want to be

 

[Gadawg73]

Bill Bennett blasted that pastor right after Perry spoke.
And Bennett is a Republican.

 

[BlindBoo]

Deranged hateful "Pastors" didn't decide the last Election and it wont decide this coming Election either. Did Obama's weird "GOD DAMN AMERICA!!" Pastor keep him from being elected? There will be many more important issues that will decide who the next President will be. This Pastor hysteria is all just Media-driven nonsense. The Economy will decide the next President. The People are suffering. And that's all that will matter in 2012.

Probably because most people didn't buy the pseudo-con talking point "OMG he said God Damn America" or should I say whine?

The full story behind Wright

What's next, his pall'in around with that dasterdly 60's villian Billy "Bad Ass" Ayers?

 

[CessnaCJ4]

NO religion group OWNS the Christian franchise

That's actually incorrect. Only a Christian, can be a Christian, by logical definition. A non-Christian is just that, a non-Christian. Those who are not believers in Jesus Christ as the Son of the living God, cannot possibly call themselves a Christian. To be a Christian, is more than the attempt to be Christlike. Christianity, requires a faith in the redemptive work that Jesus Christ did on the cross, to prepare the only way for humanity to be Spiritually reconciled back to God.

Mormonism, does not place Jesus Christ at the center of salvation and the sole causality of salvation. Thus, no one subscribing to Mormonism, can ever be considered a Christian. Those are just the facts.

 

[Gadawg73]

NO religion group OWNS the Christian franchise

That's actually incorrect. Only a Christian, can be a Christian, by logical definition. A non-Christian is just that, a non-Christian. Those who are not believers in Jesus Christ as the Son of the living God, cannot possibly call themselves a Christian. To be a Christian, is more than the attempt to be Christlike. Christianity, requires a faith in the redemptive work that Jesus Christ did on the cross, to prepare the only way for humanity to Spiritually reconciled back to God.

Mormonism, does not place Jesus Christ at the center of salvation and the sole causality of salvation. Thus, no one subscribing to Mormonism, can ever be considered a Christian. Those are just the facts.

Who made that the definition?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Those pretending to be more Christian than anyone else made the defintion. Such people don't count.

 

[BDBoop]

Cain & Bachmann are dancing on the subject.

But then, what's new.

Herman Cain, Michele Bachmann dodge Mormon question - latimes.com

 

[manifold]

Fuck Romney!

Mormon or not, the guy is a piece of shit.

 

[CessnaCJ4]

Who made that the definition?

The Holy Bible has several witnesses to the definition:

- Luke 19:9
- 1 Thessalonians 5:9
- 2 Timothy 2:10
- 2 Timothy 3:15

Most widely known by:

- John 3:16

"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have ever lasting life."

 

[JakeStarkey]

Who made that the definition?

The Holy Bible has several witnesses to the definition:

- Luke 19:9
- 1 Thessalonians 5:9
- 2 Timothy 2:10
- 2 Timothy 3:15

Most widely known by:

- John 3:16

"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have ever lasting life."

Ah, you are one of the modern Pharisees.

Nope, the Bible is not literal, and you are not its interpreter.

Got it?

 

[CessnaCJ4]

Those pretending to be more Christian than anyone else made the defintion. Such people don't count.

Eventually, it should have been obvious to everyone that this issue with Romney, would emerge as political cannon fodder.

Non-Christians, want a technical "definition." God wants to speak to through His Spirit, to the soul of humanity. God accomplishes this [specifically] through His written Word, which He preserved across thousands of years and many changes in the paradigm by which humanity decides to live out its life.

Many human beings have in the past, attempted to corrupt the scriptures for their own gain. From old world Monarchs to new world Presidents, many have tread that dangerous path and have reaped destruction as a direct result. For example: During the expansion of the Roman Empire, wars were actually fought in an attempt to do the impossible - "convert people to Christianity." Man is not capable of converting anyone. Man can lead one to Christ, but only God's Spirit can convert the human soul, and only through God's grace is this miracle ever accomplished. So, clearly, one cannot be forced into becoming a Christian.

Likewise, American Presidents have invoked "faith" to allude to a belief that they were indeed a Christian. Only later, did the country witness the hypocrisy of the claim, when hundreds of thousands of innocent men, women and children lost their lives in a needless war predicated on stealing oil production and profiteering from war.

Indeed, history is replete with prime examples of people falsely using the name of Jesus Christ, as an excuse for their eventual behavior which turns out to be Anti-Christlike in the final analysis.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Who made that the definition?

The Holy Bible has several witnesses to the definition:

- Luke 19:9
- 1 Thessalonians 5:9
- 2 Timothy 2:10
- 2 Timothy 3:15

Most widely known by:

- John 3:16

"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have ever lasting life."

Ah, you are one of the modern Pharisees.

Nope, the Bible is not literal, and you are not its interpreter.

Got it?

And who are you to say who is and isn't authorized to interpret the bible?
Do you have a conection to God we don't know about?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Fuck Romney!

Mormon or not, the guy is a piece of shit.

A vote for romney is a vote for
4 more years of the same old bush obama shit.

 

[ABikerSailor]

You know.......this is why Jefferson advocated a separation of church and state.

If people keep dividing themselves over all this religious stuff, we could end up like they did in "The Book of Eli" with Denzel Washington.

 

[CessnaCJ4]

Ah, you are one of the modern Pharisees.

Nope. I'm just not willing to subjugate my faith to liberal interpretations of that which cannot be true. In other words, I take the Holy Bible at face value and I don't attempt to add, edit, or twist its meaning.

Nope, the Bible is not literal, and you are not its interpreter.

Correct on one hand, and incorrect on another.

No. The Holy Bible needs no interpreter. The work of Jesus Christ is complete and God's story of salvation through His Son, Jesus Christ, is crystal clear and does not need interpretation. Fortunately, we are well beyond the Old Testament days, where interpretation of scripture was needed.

Yes. The message of salvation in the Holy Bible, is a literal message. However, the Holy Bible also uses parable and allegory in areas that are not specifically linked to the clearly written examples of the direct causation and source of the salvation given to humanity from God.

Got it?

Not quite, but if we keep dialing like this, it won't be long!

 

[manifold]

Fuck Romney!

Mormon or not, the guy is a piece of shit.

4 more years of the same old bush obama shit.

versus 8 more years if Romney wins.


Ron Paul 2012!

 

[JakeStarkey]

Biblical literalism is simply a heresy, the same as Mormonism. Simply means that such folks are in error. And these modern Pharisees demonstrate clearly why the Founders made sure that state and religion are separated by the constitutional wall of separation.

Thanks for playing.