Israel & iran

[Jos]

Obliterative is not an English word, go to the back of the class Hasbarat

 

[toomuchtime_]

Obliterative is not an English word, go to the back of the class Hasbarat

Of course it is.

Google

 

[Wolverine1984]

Obliterative is not an English word, go to the back of the class Hasbarat

It seems that 'Hasbarat' is also not an English word....

Anyway ... My bad spelling does not effect the trustfulness of my statement.

Your pointing out my spelling mistake instead of addressing the issue I raised is interesting.
It would suggest that you don't have a case.
You didn't offer any explanation or counter argument to support your claim, seems you don't have any.

 

[Hossfly]

Obliterative is not an English word, go to the back of the class Hasbarat

Big deal, he made a mistake with a word. Do you speak another language besides English? Meanwhile, there have been native Farsi speakers on these message board who have said that there are nuances in Farsi and that what the President of Iran meant literally is that Israel should be wiped off the map.

 

[Hossfly]

Obliterative is not an English word, go to the back of the class Hasbarat

Big deal, he made a mistake with a word. Do you speak another language besides English? Meanwhile, there have been native Farsi speakers on these message board who have said that there are nuances in Farsi and that what the President of Iran meant literally is that Israel should be wiped off the map.

In the USMB Forum in the 'Flame Zone' there is a thread titled "Suspected Members of Hasbarat on USMB."
Here's a description of the term: Israel’s propagandists shoot themselves in the foot as they shoot off their mouths

 

[Ropey]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbMeaKTjGjE]Operation Opera - YouTube[/ame]

It still comes.

 

[MJB12741]

Next up Iran. Stay tuned. Israel will do what has to be done to LET THERE BE PEACE ALREADY!

Operation Opera - YouTube

It still comes.

 

[Liability]

I hope Israel has massive bunker buster type bombs.

It would be so satisfying to see a massive crater where the Iranians used to have a nuclear plant and the only radiation is the stuff that melts down (like unkotare on any given day) after the non-atomic bomb goes boooo0000ooom.

 

[Roudy]

May I ask what exactly has Israel done to Iran to desere such vitriol and ongoing terrorism against it by the Islamists in Iran?

 

[Ariux]

May I ask what exactly has Israel done to Iran to desere such vitriol and ongoing terrorism against it by the Islamists in Iran?

How about Israel's threats to bomb Iran? How about Israel's constant acts of war against Iran, such as assinations and the Stuxnet virus? How about the campaign of disinformation by Israel to convince the world that Iran has a nuclear weapons program, resulting in sanctions? How about decades of US meddling in Iran, including overthrows and war, considered US foreign policy is guided by Israel?

 

[Wolverine1984]

May I ask what exactly has Israel done to Iran to desere such vitriol and ongoing terrorism against it by the Islamists in Iran?

How about Israel's threats to bomb Iran? How about Israel's constant acts of war against Iran, such as assinations and the Stuxnet virus? How about the campaign of disinformation by Israel to convince the world that Iran has a nuclear weapons program, resulting in sanctions? How about decades of US meddling in Iran, including overthrows and war, considered US foreign policy is guided by Israel?

How about Israel's threats to bomb Iran?

This happened only lately as a result of Iran's nuclear program, and Iran's president statement to "erase Israel from the pages of history".

How about Israel's constant acts of war against Iran, such as assinations and the Stuxnet virus?

Also recent development and no evidence against Israel only speculations.
However Iran been funding, providing equipment, weapons, training to terrorists cells since 1979.

How about the campaign of disinformation by Israel to convince the world that Iran has a nuclear weapons program, resulting in sanctions?

Also recent development...
"disinformation"
You have proof that it isn't true ?

How about decades of US meddling in Iran, including overthrows and war, considered US foreign policy is guided by Israel?

How about decades of Iran providing equipment, weapons, training to terrorists organizations ?

 

[MJB12741]

Now THATS funny! Tell us more about "Israel's threats to bomb iran"? Heh Heh!

May I ask what exactly has Israel done to Iran to desere such vitriol and ongoing terrorism against it by the Islamists in Iran?

How about Israel's threats to bomb Iran? How about Israel's constant acts of war against Iran, such as assinations and the Stuxnet virus? How about the campaign of disinformation by Israel to convince the world that Iran has a nuclear weapons program, resulting in sanctions? How about decades of US meddling in Iran, including overthrows and war, considered US foreign policy is guided by Israel?

 

[patrickcaturday]

Now THATS funny! Tell us more about "Israel's threats to bomb iran"? Heh Heh!

May I ask what exactly has Israel done to Iran to desere such vitriol and ongoing terrorism against it by the Islamists in Iran?

How about Israel's threats to bomb Iran? How about Israel's constant acts of war against Iran, such as assinations and the Stuxnet virus? How about the campaign of disinformation by Israel to convince the world that Iran has a nuclear weapons program, resulting in sanctions? How about decades of US meddling in Iran, including overthrows and war, considered US foreign policy is guided by Israel?

Come on MJB, you can't be serious. That has been in the newspapers for the last month or so. It was why Netanyahu came to the US and spoke to the President and made speeches to AIPAC and Congress for.

 

[MJB12741]

LMAO! What do you expect an Aroush Norouzi to say? Heh Heh.

Across the world, a dangerous rumor has spread that could have catastrophic implications. According to legend, Iran's president has threatened to destroy Israel, or, to quote the misquote, "Israel must be wiped off the map." Contrary to popular belief, this statement was never made.

'Wiped off the Map' – The Rumor of the Century - by Arash Norouzi

 

[MJB12741]

When was Iran first threatened by Israel?

If Iran is threatened by israel, do you think they should do nothing too?

 

[Jos]

When was Iran first threatened by Israel?

If Iran is threatened by israel, do you think they should do nothing too?

Iran threatening Israel

The nuclear program of Iran with its potential to develop nuclear weapons, together with the anti-Israel rhetoric of the President, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, and his demand for "the regime occupying Jerusalem" to "vanish from the page of time", has led some Israelis to fear an eventual attack from Iran.

Israel threatening Iran

In November 2003 a Scottish newspaper claimed that Israel "warned that it is prepared to take unilateral military action against Iran if the international community fails to stop any development of nuclear weapons at the country's atomic energy facilities".[53] It cited Israeli defence minister Shaul Mofaz stating, "under no circumstances would Israel be able to tolerate nuclear weapons in Iranian possession". In December 2005, a British newspaper claimed that the Israeli military had been ordered by then Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon to plan for possible strikes on uranium enrichment sites in Iran in March 2006, based on Israeli intelligence estimates that Iran would be able to build nuclear weapons in two to four years. It was claimed that the special forces command was in the highest stage of readiness for an attack (state G) in December of the following year. Ariel Sharon reportedly said, "Israel - and not only Israel - cannot accept a nuclear Iran. We have the ability to deal with this and we're making all the necessary preparations to be ready for such a situation."[54] Israeli military Chief of Staff, Dan Halutz, was quoted as responding to the question of how far Israel was ready to go to stop Iran's nuclear energy program with the statement "Two thousand kilometers".[55]Seymour Hersh says U.S. Department of Defense civilians led by Douglas Feith have been working with Israeli planners and consultants to develop and refine potential nuclear, chemical-weapons, and missile targets inside Iran.[56]

On 8 May 2006, Israeli Vice Premier Shimon Peres said in an interview with Reuters that "the president of Iran should remember that Iran can also be wiped off the map," Army Radio reported.[57] Peres, a Nobel Peace Prize laureate, drew unusually stiff criticism from an analyst on Israel's state television, Yoav Limor, for talking of destroying another country.[58]

In May 2006, IDF Chief of Staff Dan Halutz stated that Iran’s nuclear facilities can be destroyed, hinting at a possible plan to do just that.[59]

Shabtai Shavit, a former chief of the Mossad, said Iranian atomic facilities could be destroyed within a year, but has not ruled out going that direction. Isaac Ben-Israel, a former general of the Israeli Air Force, said an attack could be carried out at any time but only as a last resort.[60] Iran's Shahab-3 missile exercises were conducted in early July demonstrating that Israel was within reach.

According to the New York Times, Israel sought help from the United States for a military attack against Iran.[61] Israel reportedly asked for bunker-busting bombs for an attack on Iran's main nuclear complex and for permission to fly over Iraq to reach Iran's major nuclear complex at Natanz. The Bush administration rejected the requests. According to the article, White House officials never conclusively determined whether Israel had decided to go ahead with the strike before the United States protested, or whether Prime Minister Ehud Olmert of Israel was trying to goad the White House into more decisive action before President Bush left office.[61]

On 27 July 2009, Israel’s Defence Minister Ehud Barak during a press conference with Robert Gates, the US Defense Secretary, in Jerusalem, warned Iran that a military strike on its nuclear facilities was still an option: "We clearly believe that no option should be removed from the table. This is our policy; we mean it. We recommend to others to take the same position, but we cannot dictate it to anyone."[62] The same day, Israel's Ambassador to US, Gabriela Shalev, during a special UN Security Council session held to discuss the situation in the Middle East, called Iran the "biggest supporter of terrorism. The Islamic Republic's nuclear program and its support of terrorism pose a threat to the entire Middle East."[63]

Recently retired Mossad chief Meir Dagan has called a possible Israeli strike against Iranian nuclear facilities "the stupidest thing I have ever heard". A comment supported by two other former Mossad chiefs, but condemned by members of the current cabinet

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran–Israel_relations#Iran_threatening_Israel

 

[Jos]

'Mossad, CIA agree Iran has yet to decide to build nuclear weapon'

Israel’s intelligence services agree with American intelligence assessments that there is not enough proof to determine whether Iran is building a nuclear bomb, according to a report published Sunday in the New York Times.

The United States and Israel share intelligence on Iran, American officials said. For its spying efforts, Israel relies in part on an Iranian exile group that is labeled a terrorist organization by the United States, the Mujahedeen Khalq, or M.E.K., which is based in Iraq, says the report.

Furthermore, the report states that the Israelis have also developed close ties in the region of Kurdistan in northern Iraq, and they are believed to use Kurdish agents who can move back and forth across the border into Iran.

According to the New York Times, American intelligence officials are wary of relying on information from an opposition group like the M.E.K., especially after their experience in Iraq where they relied on flawed information provided by the Iraqi National Congress, an exile group run by Ahmad Chalabi.

'Mossad, CIA agree Iran has yet to decide to build nuclear weapon' - Haaretz Daily Newspaper | Israel News

 

[toomuchtime_]

'Mossad, CIA agree Iran has yet to decide to build nuclear weapon'

Israel’s intelligence services agree with American intelligence assessments that there is not enough proof to determine whether Iran is building a nuclear bomb, according to a report published Sunday in the New York Times.

The United States and Israel share intelligence on Iran, American officials said. For its spying efforts, Israel relies in part on an Iranian exile group that is labeled a terrorist organization by the United States, the Mujahedeen Khalq, or M.E.K., which is based in Iraq, says the report.

Furthermore, the report states that the Israelis have also developed close ties in the region of Kurdistan in northern Iraq, and they are believed to use Kurdish agents who can move back and forth across the border into Iran.

According to the New York Times, American intelligence officials are wary of relying on information from an opposition group like the M.E.K., especially after their experience in Iraq where they relied on flawed information provided by the Iraqi National Congress, an exile group run by Ahmad Chalabi.

'Mossad, CIA agree Iran has yet to decide to build nuclear weapon' - Haaretz Daily Newspaper | Israel News

It may or may not be true that the Iranian regime has not yet decided to build a bomb, but all recent intelligence, including recent reports of IAEA inspectors, indicate that the regime is pursuing research that would only be useful if they decided to build a nuclear weapon, indicating that the Iranian regime has decided to become what Hillary Clinton described as a nuclear threshold nation, that is, one that can build a bomb in a very short time once the decision is made. For all practical purposes, there is no difference between deciding to become a nuclear threshold nation and deciding to build a bomb.

 

[Jos]

Iran has signed the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_Non-Proliferation_Treaty
Israel has not

 

[toomuchtime_]

Iran has signed the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_Non-Proliferation_Treaty
Israel has not

Had the NPT been properly drawn up, Israel probably would have signed it, but Israel was the only nation with nuclear weapons at the time that was not included among those permitted to have them. Had the same standard been applied to the US, USSR, UK, France or China, those nations would have refused to sign the treaty,too.