Is it time to legalize pot and reduce the death rate of tobacco and alcohol?

[High_Gravity]

Pretty much, since legalization won't have any effect one way or another.

Although, I'm still surprised at how regulation ended the porn industry in Los Angeles.

Ended? are you serious Katz? Adam Glasser is still putting in work in the Valley.

Not in Los Angeles. Not anywhere in Los Angeles. Some have left the City for nearby cities, some have left the state thinking that simply leaving the city wasn't good enough if this law goes statewide.

An unintended consequence is that hundreds of people have been hired by Los Angeles to monitor and regulate that now have nothing to do. This new department might be the last to finally drive LA into bankruptcy. Which would be a good thing.

Towards the end of the month, I'm expecting a visit from a major porn producer who is coming here from England to deal with the changes that he's making in production. I will know more after I meet with him. The bulk of his studio is in Vegas so I can't see any major changes for him. Some minor closures perhaps.

This "little" regulation about wearing condoms has morphed into a major bueaucracy.

Damn I didn't think the condom thing would be that big a deal, I watch the women anyways I don't even notice if the male actors are wearing condoms.

 

[MikeK]

Should it be legal? Yes. There has been lots of research done on cannabis since the 1960's when they tested it out on military personnel.

There's also the support of places like Harvard Medical and the Royal British Medical Society who say that it helps with pain management, glaucoma, Alzheimer's, appetite stimulation as well as is not physically addictive, and doesn't seem to cause the body much harm.

People who smoke cigarettes only? 21 times more likely to die than someone who doesn't smoke at all from lung cancer.

People who smoke only cannabis moderately (less that 15 joints/day)? 0.93 to 0.75 percent as likely to die from lung cancer as someone who doesn't smoke.

Besides, the legal alternatives like K2 have been shown to do significant damage to the body.

And............never mind the taxes you can charge on the legal sales. Besides, then the DEA could go after the real drug dealers of coke, heroin, and meth, all drugs that are much worse physically and psychologically than cannabis ever thought about being.

If you have read those reports then you will know that addiction research has been promoting legalization of coke and other drugs for almost as long as they have been promoting pot.

If we are going to accept the logic for legalizing pot then we should for all drugs.

Regards
DL

The problem with advocating legalization is the very word tends to severely intimidate mainstream Americans most of whom harbor an abiding fear of such recreational drugs as heroin, methamphetamine, freebase cocaine, etc. For that reason I believe the better approach is to advocate only for an experimental period of marijuana decriminalization which would leave current laws in place but administratively suspend enforcement except for sale to minors, public use and impairment, and driving impaired.

After a one year trial period the general public will have seen enough to know Reefer Madness propaganda is false and therefore will be amenable to accept full legalization of that specific substance. And after marijuana is legal for awhile, enabling the public to see that prohibitions can be counterproductive, an experimental period of heroin decriminalization can be tried.

I believe that to be the best way to proceed. Because drug war propaganda has been so effective here in America the American public simply is not receptive to the idea of comprehensive legalization of all recreational drugs. That prospect must be approached incrementally or it doesn't have a chance.

One step at a time.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Should it be legal? Yes. There has been lots of research done on cannabis since the 1960's when they tested it out on military personnel.

There's also the support of places like Harvard Medical and the Royal British Medical Society who say that it helps with pain management, glaucoma, Alzheimer's, appetite stimulation as well as is not physically addictive, and doesn't seem to cause the body much harm.

People who smoke cigarettes only? 21 times more likely to die than someone who doesn't smoke at all from lung cancer.

People who smoke only cannabis moderately (less that 15 joints/day)? 0.93 to 0.75 percent as likely to die from lung cancer as someone who doesn't smoke.

Besides, the legal alternatives like K2 have been shown to do significant damage to the body.

And............never mind the taxes you can charge on the legal sales. Besides, then the DEA could go after the real drug dealers of coke, heroin, and meth, all drugs that are much worse physically and psychologically than cannabis ever thought about being.

If you have read those reports then you will know that addiction research has been promoting legalization of coke and other drugs for almost as long as they have been promoting pot.

If we are going to accept the logic for legalizing pot then we should for all drugs.

Regards
DL

The problem with advocating legalization is that very word tends to severely intimidate mainstream Americans most of whom harbor an abiding fear of such recreational drugs as heroin, methamphetamine, freebase cocaine, etc. For that reason I believe the better approach is to advocate only for an experimental period of marijuana decriminalization which would leave current laws in place but administratively suspend enforcement except for sale to minors, public use and impairment, and driving impaired.

After a one year trial period the general public will have seen enough to know Reefer Madness propaganda is false and therefore will be amenable to accept full legalization of that specific substance. And after marijuana is legal for awhile, enabling the public to see that prohibitions can be counterproductive, an experimental period of heroin decriminalization can be tried.

I believe that to be the best way to proceed. Because drug war propaganda has been so effective here in America the American public simply is not receptive to the idea of comprehensive legalization of all recreational drugs. That prospect must be approached incrementally or it doesn't have a chance.

One step at a time.

Something like that has kinda already started with many states making allowances for medical marijuana.

But............like I said, based on the research since the 60's, cannabis is NOT PHYSICALLY ADDICTIVE, and it causes LESS DAMAGE than cigarettes or alcohol.

Putting marijuana in the same class of drugs as cocaine and heroin is utter bullshit, but then again, you can thank that racist asshole named Anslinger who had a hard on for black and brown people (the main consumers of cannabis at the time) for making it like it is today.

And, fwiw, Reefer Madness was a straight up propaganda film commissioned by Anslinger himself to scare the public.

 

[Shogun]

I disagree with mikek. Cheech and Chong are more embedded in our collective American culture than Reefer Madness (at least, non-ironically)...

It would have to be a five year period to test decriminalization. I would also advocate tying legal personal use with the avoidance of felony crimes, drunk driving and child support issues. Much like driving is a privilege not a right, I have no problem using its legalization as a tool to, and a reward for, lowering other negative behaviors.

Still, it's time to do something about legalizing the ganja. It's farcical that it remains in the same category as heroin and cocaine. If you've ever snorted an 8 ball you know how stupid this comparison is. Hell, half of your medicine cabinet is worse than TRYING to overdose on weed.

it's time.

 

[ABikerSailor]

I disagree with mikek. Cheech and Chong are more embedded in our collective American culture than Reefer Madness (at least, non-ironically)...

It would have to be a five year period to test decriminalization. I would also advocate tying legal personal use with the avoidance of felony crimes, drunk driving and child support issues. Much like driving is a privilege not a right, I have no problem using its legalization as a tool to, and a reward for, lowering other negative behaviors.

Still, it's time to do something about legalizing the ganja. It's farcical that it remains in the same category as heroin and cocaine. If you've ever snorted an 8 ball you know how stupid this comparison is. Hell, half of your medicine cabinet is worse than TRYING to overdose on weed.

it's time.

Agreed.

Hey Shogun, long time no see, how ya been?

 

[ginscpy]

No more holier-than-thou liquor store clerks in Wash St - who look down their noses at customers.

Hard liquor to be privatized starting june 1

 

[Shogun]

I disagree with mikek. Cheech and Chong are more embedded in our collective American culture than Reefer Madness (at least, non-ironically)...

It would have to be a five year period to test decriminalization. I would also advocate tying legal personal use with the avoidance of felony crimes, drunk driving and child support issues. Much like driving is a privilege not a right, I have no problem using its legalization as a tool to, and a reward for, lowering other negative behaviors.

Still, it's time to do something about legalizing the ganja. It's farcical that it remains in the same category as heroin and cocaine. If you've ever snorted an 8 ball you know how stupid this comparison is. Hell, half of your medicine cabinet is worse than TRYING to overdose on weed.

it's time.

Agreed.

Hey Shogun, long time no see, how ya been?

I'm doing very well, thanks!

Hope all is well with you too.

 

[ginscpy]

On May 31s - will buy some liguor and tell the high-and -mighty state liquor store clerks to :have anice day:

 

[GreatestIam]

Should it be legal? Yes. There has been lots of research done on cannabis since the 1960's when they tested it out on military personnel.

There's also the support of places like Harvard Medical and the Royal British Medical Society who say that it helps with pain management, glaucoma, Alzheimer's, appetite stimulation as well as is not physically addictive, and doesn't seem to cause the body much harm.

People who smoke cigarettes only? 21 times more likely to die than someone who doesn't smoke at all from lung cancer.

People who smoke only cannabis moderately (less that 15 joints/day)? 0.93 to 0.75 percent as likely to die from lung cancer as someone who doesn't smoke.

Besides, the legal alternatives like K2 have been shown to do significant damage to the body.

And............never mind the taxes you can charge on the legal sales. Besides, then the DEA could go after the real drug dealers of coke, heroin, and meth, all drugs that are much worse physically and psychologically than cannabis ever thought about being.

If you have read those reports then you will know that addiction research has been promoting legalization of coke and other drugs for almost as long as they have been promoting pot.

If we are going to accept the logic for legalizing pot then we should for all drugs.

Regards
DL

Cocaine has been shown to be physically addictive to the body.

Cannabis isn't.

Try again.

Yes it is. It does have the lowest toxicity but it is addictive. And really, addiction is not the issues.
If it was, tobacco and alcohol would not be legal.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

Should it be legal? Yes. There has been lots of research done on cannabis since the 1960's when they tested it out on military personnel.

There's also the support of places like Harvard Medical and the Royal British Medical Society who say that it helps with pain management, glaucoma, Alzheimer's, appetite stimulation as well as is not physically addictive, and doesn't seem to cause the body much harm.

People who smoke cigarettes only? 21 times more likely to die than someone who doesn't smoke at all from lung cancer.

People who smoke only cannabis moderately (less that 15 joints/day)? 0.93 to 0.75 percent as likely to die from lung cancer as someone who doesn't smoke.

Besides, the legal alternatives like K2 have been shown to do significant damage to the body.

And............never mind the taxes you can charge on the legal sales. Besides, then the DEA could go after the real drug dealers of coke, heroin, and meth, all drugs that are much worse physically and psychologically than cannabis ever thought about being.

If you have read those reports then you will know that addiction research has been promoting legalization of coke and other drugs for almost as long as they have been promoting pot.

If we are going to accept the logic for legalizing pot then we should for all drugs.

Regards
DL

The problem with advocating legalization is the very word tends to severely intimidate mainstream Americans most of whom harbor an abiding fear of such recreational drugs as heroin, methamphetamine, freebase cocaine, etc. For that reason I believe the better approach is to advocate only for an experimental period of marijuana decriminalization which would leave current laws in place but administratively suspend enforcement except for sale to minors, public use and impairment, and driving impaired.

After a one year trial period the general public will have seen enough to know Reefer Madness propaganda is false and therefore will be amenable to accept full legalization of that specific substance. And after marijuana is legal for awhile, enabling the public to see that prohibitions can be counterproductive, an experimental period of heroin decriminalization can be tried.

I believe that to be the best way to proceed. Because drug war propaganda has been so effective here in America the American public simply is not receptive to the idea of comprehensive legalization of all recreational drugs. That prospect must be approached incrementally or it doesn't have a chance.

One step at a time.

I hear but disagree. So do the police because when they do try to educate, they do on all drugs.

Education is the key and the government likes nice pliable and stupid people to govern and they have just that. The alcohol and tobacco lobbies insist on it. They get what they buy.

If we are to educate then we must educate as completely as possible and not just a half of what is needed.

Regards
DL

 

[Katzndogz]

Unfortunately for legalization advocates, the realities of medical marijuana has not gone well for California despite the intense propaganda of its benefits. That is why when the vote came up for full legalization, it failed. The realities of what marijuana legalization means should be ignored. So what if one person's freedom infringes on another's. Suck it up. Get over it.

One of my good friends has a mother who is a lifelong pot smoker. She got her "card" that allows her to smoke all she wants. Because of her behavior, my friend has refused to allow her to see her grandchildren when she is high. She hasn't seen her grandchildren for over a year now. That's the way to deal with pot legalization. Let it be legalized, deal with the results as best you can until the addicts stop or die.

 

[GreatestIam]

Pot legalization in California did not so much lose as it was defeated with many $$$$$$$$$ from the tobacco and alcohol lobbies that found their way into politicians pockets.

Pot continues to be California # 1 cash crop. It has been so for what, 50 years now.

Regards
DL