Is it ok to read the Bible?

[JustAnotherNut]

Faith and Love are two very different things. We Christians have Faith in what is unseen, because it's in our hearts. But God's love is unconditional to all who seek Him. There is nothing you can do to get or lose His love, it's a gift to all.........but few are willing to accept it.

For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins,
in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient.
All of us also lived among them at one time, gratifying the cravings of our flesh and following its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature deserving of wrath.
But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy,
made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions—it is by grace you have been saved.
And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus,
in order that in the coming ages he might show the incomparable riches of his grace, expressed in his kindness to us in Christ Jesus.
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—
not by works, so that no one can boast.
For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.



If you ask because you are searching for the Truth, you will find it. But if you ask to justify your doubt, you never will

"There is nothing you can do to get or lose His love, it's a gift to all.........but few are willing to accept it."

If there's nothing I can do to lose his love, then my accepting it or not won't change a thing. Please try again.

Why? There's no point in trying again, you've made up your mind and there is nothing to be said to change it.

You contradicted yourself. Please try again.

Where's the contradiction?

"There is nothing you can do to get or lose His love, it's a gift to all.........but few are willing to accept it."

If there's nothing I can do to lose his love, then my accepting it or not won't change a thing. Please try again.

By accepting His love, you thereby enter into a personal relationship with Him vs not accepting and not having a relationship.

On a more personal level for comparison.......have you ever loved someone that did not love you back? That didn't want to be in a relationship with you??? You still love(d) them anyway didn't you? It's kind of the same thing.

From what I can see, you are asking to justify your doubts because you've already decided Christians are suckers and God is non-existent. So there is nothing to be said to change you mind. Fine, you go on and live with your unbelief and I will live in my belief.

 

[Mudda]

"There is nothing you can do to get or lose His love, it's a gift to all.........but few are willing to accept it."

If there's nothing I can do to lose his love, then my accepting it or not won't change a thing. Please try again.

Why? There's no point in trying again, you've made up your mind and there is nothing to be said to change it.

You contradicted yourself. Please try again.

Where's the contradiction?

"There is nothing you can do to get or lose His love, it's a gift to all.........but few are willing to accept it."

If there's nothing I can do to lose his love, then my accepting it or not won't change a thing. Please try again.

By accepting His love, you thereby enter into a personal relationship with Him vs not accepting and not having a relationship.

On a more personal level for comparison.......have you ever loved someone that did not love you back? That didn't want to be in a relationship with you??? You still love(d) them anyway didn't you? It's kind of the same thing.

From what I can see, you are asking to justify your doubts because you've already decided Christians are suckers and God is non-existent. So there is nothing to be said to change you mind. Fine, you go on and live with your unbelief and I will live in my belief.

No, you contradicted yourself. because if there's nothing I can do to LOSE his love then I already have it. So even if I don't accept it, you said that I can't lose His love in ANY case.

 

[hadit]

That's what faith is and when you are in His faith, the answers are there for you to discern right from wrong, true from untrue. But without His faith you will never figure it out...........and it's impossible for one of faith to ever fully explain to those without faith, the answers you seek.

So since faith is the belief in things unprovable, I have to suspend reality to get your god's love? That doesn't make any sense. Why wouldn't your god come and meet me in reality?

You wouldn't like that very much.

And why is that?

Because you would realize how messed up you are compared to Him.

Is that what he told you or did you make that up yourself?

Everyone has who meets God honestly knows what I'm talking about.

 

[Mudda]

So since faith is the belief in things unprovable, I have to suspend reality to get your god's love? That doesn't make any sense. Why wouldn't your god come and meet me in reality?

You wouldn't like that very much.

And why is that?

Because you would realize how messed up you are compared to Him.

Is that what he told you or did you make that up yourself?

Everyone has who meets God honestly knows what I'm talking about.

Ok, so you're too ashamed to tell us what happened. Got it.

 

[hadit]

Why? There's no point in trying again, you've made up your mind and there is nothing to be said to change it.

You contradicted yourself. Please try again.

Where's the contradiction?

"There is nothing you can do to get or lose His love, it's a gift to all.........but few are willing to accept it."

If there's nothing I can do to lose his love, then my accepting it or not won't change a thing. Please try again.

By accepting His love, you thereby enter into a personal relationship with Him vs not accepting and not having a relationship.

On a more personal level for comparison.......have you ever loved someone that did not love you back? That didn't want to be in a relationship with you??? You still love(d) them anyway didn't you? It's kind of the same thing.

From what I can see, you are asking to justify your doubts because you've already decided Christians are suckers and God is non-existent. So there is nothing to be said to change you mind. Fine, you go on and live with your unbelief and I will live in my belief.

No, you contradicted yourself. because if there's nothing I can do to LOSE his love then I already have it. It doesn't matter what i think or do, you said that I can't lose His love in ANY case.

Judgement still happens, even though He loves you. I can love my children tremendously, but one that disobeys is punished, while one that obeys is not. The one who is punished is loved as much as the other.

 

[Mudda]

You contradicted yourself. Please try again.

Where's the contradiction?

"There is nothing you can do to get or lose His love, it's a gift to all.........but few are willing to accept it."

If there's nothing I can do to lose his love, then my accepting it or not won't change a thing. Please try again.

By accepting His love, you thereby enter into a personal relationship with Him vs not accepting and not having a relationship.

On a more personal level for comparison.......have you ever loved someone that did not love you back? That didn't want to be in a relationship with you??? You still love(d) them anyway didn't you? It's kind of the same thing.

From what I can see, you are asking to justify your doubts because you've already decided Christians are suckers and God is non-existent. So there is nothing to be said to change you mind. Fine, you go on and live with your unbelief and I will live in my belief.

No, you contradicted yourself. because if there's nothing I can do to LOSE his love then I already have it. It doesn't matter what i think or do, you said that I can't lose His love in ANY case.

Judgement still happens, even though He loves you. I can love my children tremendously, but one that disobeys is punished, while one that obeys is not. The one who is punished is loved as much as the other.

So you're saying that you're the same as god.

 

[hadit]

You wouldn't like that very much.

And why is that?

Because you would realize how messed up you are compared to Him.

Is that what he told you or did you make that up yourself?

Everyone has who meets God honestly knows what I'm talking about.

Ok, so you're too ashamed to tell us what happened. Got it.

Ashamed? Not at all, you're just not privy to the experience. You'll understand when you face Him. The difference is I already have.

 

[hadit]

Where's the contradiction?

"There is nothing you can do to get or lose His love, it's a gift to all.........but few are willing to accept it."

If there's nothing I can do to lose his love, then my accepting it or not won't change a thing. Please try again.

By accepting His love, you thereby enter into a personal relationship with Him vs not accepting and not having a relationship.

On a more personal level for comparison.......have you ever loved someone that did not love you back? That didn't want to be in a relationship with you??? You still love(d) them anyway didn't you? It's kind of the same thing.

From what I can see, you are asking to justify your doubts because you've already decided Christians are suckers and God is non-existent. So there is nothing to be said to change you mind. Fine, you go on and live with your unbelief and I will live in my belief.

No, you contradicted yourself. because if there's nothing I can do to LOSE his love then I already have it. It doesn't matter what i think or do, you said that I can't lose His love in ANY case.

Judgement still happens, even though He loves you. I can love my children tremendously, but one that disobeys is punished, while one that obeys is not. The one who is punished is loved as much as the other.

So you're saying that you're the same as god.

I'm saying that I love my children, even though I had to discipline them when they were young. Are you really that obtuse, or just unwilling to see the parallel?

 

[Eloy]

At home or at Church is fine

At school or in government = not fine.

It is impossible to fully appreciate the history of the English language without a knowledge of the Old and New Testament.

 

[JustAnotherNut]

Why? There's no point in trying again, you've made up your mind and there is nothing to be said to change it.

You contradicted yourself. Please try again.

Where's the contradiction?

"There is nothing you can do to get or lose His love, it's a gift to all.........but few are willing to accept it."

If there's nothing I can do to lose his love, then my accepting it or not won't change a thing. Please try again.

By accepting His love, you thereby enter into a personal relationship with Him vs not accepting and not having a relationship.

On a more personal level for comparison.......have you ever loved someone that did not love you back? That didn't want to be in a relationship with you??? You still love(d) them anyway didn't you? It's kind of the same thing.

From what I can see, you are asking to justify your doubts because you've already decided Christians are suckers and God is non-existent. So there is nothing to be said to change you mind. Fine, you go on and live with your unbelief and I will live in my belief.

No, you contradicted yourself. because if there's nothing I can do to LOSE his love then I already have it. So even if I don't accept it, you said that I can't lose His love in ANY case.

I never said He didn't love you with or without you accepting it. His love is always there no matter. But without you accepting it, you can't be in a relationship with Him to enjoy full benefits of it........similar with the comparison I gave you or with hadit 's comparison with your kids.

A Biblical comparison from Luke 15:11

Jesus continued: “There was a man who had two sons.12 The younger one said to his father, ‘Father, give me my share of the estate So he divided his property between them.

13 “Not long after that, the younger son got together all he had, set off for a distant country and there squandered his wealth in wild living. 14 After he had spent everything, there was a severe famine in that whole country, and he began to be in need. 15 So he went and hired himself out to a citizen of that country, who sent him to his fields to feed pigs.16 He longed to fill his stomach with the pods that the pigs were eating, but no one gave him anything.

17 “When he came to his senses, he said, ‘How many of my father’s hired servants have food to spare, and here I am starving to death! 18 I will set out and go back to my father and say to him: Father, I have sinned against heaven and against you. 19 I am no longer worthy to be called your son; make me like one of your hired servants.’ 20 So he got up and went to his father.

“But while he was still a long way off, his father saw him and was filled with compassion for him; he ran to his son, threw his arms around him and kissed him.

21 “The son said to him, ‘Father, I have sinned against heaven and against you. I am no longer worthy to be called your son.’

22 “But the father said to his servants, ‘Quick! Bring the best robe and put it on him. Put a ring on his finger and sandals on his feet. 23 Bring the fattened calf and kill it. Let’s have a feast and celebrate. 24 For this son of mine was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found.’ So they began to celebrate.


The son had refused the relationship with his father & left to 'sow his wild oats' so to speak & do things his own way against the fathers ways & teachings...but the father never stopped loving his son........similar to Gods love is always there, no matter what, but the relationship is based on accepting it.

 

[hadit]

You contradicted yourself. Please try again.

Where's the contradiction?

"There is nothing you can do to get or lose His love, it's a gift to all.........but few are willing to accept it."

If there's nothing I can do to lose his love, then my accepting it or not won't change a thing. Please try again.

By accepting His love, you thereby enter into a personal relationship with Him vs not accepting and not having a relationship.

On a more personal level for comparison.......have you ever loved someone that did not love you back? That didn't want to be in a relationship with you??? You still love(d) them anyway didn't you? It's kind of the same thing.

From what I can see, you are asking to justify your doubts because you've already decided Christians are suckers and God is non-existent. So there is nothing to be said to change you mind. Fine, you go on and live with your unbelief and I will live in my belief.

No, you contradicted yourself. because if there's nothing I can do to LOSE his love then I already have it. So even if I don't accept it, you said that I can't lose His love in ANY case.

I never said He didn't love you with or without you accepting it. His love is always there no matter. But without you accepting it, you can't be in a relationship with Him to enjoy full benefits of it........similar with the comparison I gave you or with hadit 's comparison with your kids.

A Biblical comparison from Luke 15:11

Jesus continued: “There was a man who had two sons.12 The younger one said to his father, ‘Father, give me my share of the estate So he divided his property between them.

13 “Not long after that, the younger son got together all he had, set off for a distant country and there squandered his wealth in wild living. 14 After he had spent everything, there was a severe famine in that whole country, and he began to be in need. 15 So he went and hired himself out to a citizen of that country, who sent him to his fields to feed pigs.16 He longed to fill his stomach with the pods that the pigs were eating, but no one gave him anything.

17 “When he came to his senses, he said, ‘How many of my father’s hired servants have food to spare, and here I am starving to death! 18 I will set out and go back to my father and say to him: Father, I have sinned against heaven and against you. 19 I am no longer worthy to be called your son; make me like one of your hired servants.’ 20 So he got up and went to his father.

“But while he was still a long way off, his father saw him and was filled with compassion for him; he ran to his son, threw his arms around him and kissed him.

21 “The son said to him, ‘Father, I have sinned against heaven and against you. I am no longer worthy to be called your son.’

22 “But the father said to his servants, ‘Quick! Bring the best robe and put it on him. Put a ring on his finger and sandals on his feet. 23 Bring the fattened calf and kill it. Let’s have a feast and celebrate. 24 For this son of mine was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found.’ So they began to celebrate.


The son had refused the relationship with his father & left to 'sow his wild oats' so to speak & do things his own way against the fathers ways & teachings...but the father never stopped loving his son........similar to Gods love is always there, no matter what, but the relationship is based on accepting it.

The son came back home and enjoyed relationship with his father again. Had he, however, refused to return, he would have been forever separated from his father. It's not any more complicated than that.

Yes, God loves us. Yes, He's willing to accept us. Yes, He longs for us to come to Him. But we cannot expect Him to accept us while we reject Him.

 

[Mudda]

And why is that?

Because you would realize how messed up you are compared to Him.

Is that what he told you or did you make that up yourself?

Everyone has who meets God honestly knows what I'm talking about.

Ok, so you're too ashamed to tell us what happened. Got it.

Ashamed? Not at all, you're just not privy to the experience. You'll understand when you face Him. The difference is I already have.

You have nothing. Got it.

 

[Mudda]

"There is nothing you can do to get or lose His love, it's a gift to all.........but few are willing to accept it."

If there's nothing I can do to lose his love, then my accepting it or not won't change a thing. Please try again.

By accepting His love, you thereby enter into a personal relationship with Him vs not accepting and not having a relationship.

On a more personal level for comparison.......have you ever loved someone that did not love you back? That didn't want to be in a relationship with you??? You still love(d) them anyway didn't you? It's kind of the same thing.

From what I can see, you are asking to justify your doubts because you've already decided Christians are suckers and God is non-existent. So there is nothing to be said to change you mind. Fine, you go on and live with your unbelief and I will live in my belief.

No, you contradicted yourself. because if there's nothing I can do to LOSE his love then I already have it. It doesn't matter what i think or do, you said that I can't lose His love in ANY case.

Judgement still happens, even though He loves you. I can love my children tremendously, but one that disobeys is punished, while one that obeys is not. The one who is punished is loved as much as the other.

So you're saying that you're the same as god.

I'm saying that I love my children, even though I had to discipline them when they were young. Are you really that obtuse, or just unwilling to see the parallel?

Ya I do, you think that god acts like you do.

 

[Mudda]

You contradicted yourself. Please try again.

Where's the contradiction?

"There is nothing you can do to get or lose His love, it's a gift to all.........but few are willing to accept it."

If there's nothing I can do to lose his love, then my accepting it or not won't change a thing. Please try again.

By accepting His love, you thereby enter into a personal relationship with Him vs not accepting and not having a relationship.

On a more personal level for comparison.......have you ever loved someone that did not love you back? That didn't want to be in a relationship with you??? You still love(d) them anyway didn't you? It's kind of the same thing.

From what I can see, you are asking to justify your doubts because you've already decided Christians are suckers and God is non-existent. So there is nothing to be said to change you mind. Fine, you go on and live with your unbelief and I will live in my belief.

No, you contradicted yourself. because if there's nothing I can do to LOSE his love then I already have it. So even if I don't accept it, you said that I can't lose His love in ANY case.

I never said He didn't love you with or without you accepting it. His love is always there no matter. But without you accepting it, you can't be in a relationship with Him to enjoy full benefits of it........similar with the comparison I gave you or with hadit 's comparison with your kids.

A Biblical comparison from Luke 15:11

Jesus continued: “There was a man who had two sons.12 The younger one said to his father, ‘Father, give me my share of the estate So he divided his property between them.

13 “Not long after that, the younger son got together all he had, set off for a distant country and there squandered his wealth in wild living. 14 After he had spent everything, there was a severe famine in that whole country, and he began to be in need. 15 So he went and hired himself out to a citizen of that country, who sent him to his fields to feed pigs.16 He longed to fill his stomach with the pods that the pigs were eating, but no one gave him anything.

17 “When he came to his senses, he said, ‘How many of my father’s hired servants have food to spare, and here I am starving to death! 18 I will set out and go back to my father and say to him: Father, I have sinned against heaven and against you. 19 I am no longer worthy to be called your son; make me like one of your hired servants.’ 20 So he got up and went to his father.

“But while he was still a long way off, his father saw him and was filled with compassion for him; he ran to his son, threw his arms around him and kissed him.

21 “The son said to him, ‘Father, I have sinned against heaven and against you. I am no longer worthy to be called your son.’

22 “But the father said to his servants, ‘Quick! Bring the best robe and put it on him. Put a ring on his finger and sandals on his feet. 23 Bring the fattened calf and kill it. Let’s have a feast and celebrate. 24 For this son of mine was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found.’ So they began to celebrate.


The son had refused the relationship with his father & left to 'sow his wild oats' so to speak & do things his own way against the fathers ways & teachings...but the father never stopped loving his son........similar to Gods love is always there, no matter what, but the relationship is based on accepting it.

The bible is nonsense, but if some invisible being loves me, I accept it. Anyways, as you say, I can't do anything about it anyways.

 

[Mudda]

Where's the contradiction?

"There is nothing you can do to get or lose His love, it's a gift to all.........but few are willing to accept it."

If there's nothing I can do to lose his love, then my accepting it or not won't change a thing. Please try again.

By accepting His love, you thereby enter into a personal relationship with Him vs not accepting and not having a relationship.

On a more personal level for comparison.......have you ever loved someone that did not love you back? That didn't want to be in a relationship with you??? You still love(d) them anyway didn't you? It's kind of the same thing.

From what I can see, you are asking to justify your doubts because you've already decided Christians are suckers and God is non-existent. So there is nothing to be said to change you mind. Fine, you go on and live with your unbelief and I will live in my belief.

No, you contradicted yourself. because if there's nothing I can do to LOSE his love then I already have it. So even if I don't accept it, you said that I can't lose His love in ANY case.

I never said He didn't love you with or without you accepting it. His love is always there no matter. But without you accepting it, you can't be in a relationship with Him to enjoy full benefits of it........similar with the comparison I gave you or with hadit 's comparison with your kids.

A Biblical comparison from Luke 15:11

Jesus continued: “There was a man who had two sons.12 The younger one said to his father, ‘Father, give me my share of the estate So he divided his property between them.

13 “Not long after that, the younger son got together all he had, set off for a distant country and there squandered his wealth in wild living. 14 After he had spent everything, there was a severe famine in that whole country, and he began to be in need. 15 So he went and hired himself out to a citizen of that country, who sent him to his fields to feed pigs.16 He longed to fill his stomach with the pods that the pigs were eating, but no one gave him anything.

17 “When he came to his senses, he said, ‘How many of my father’s hired servants have food to spare, and here I am starving to death! 18 I will set out and go back to my father and say to him: Father, I have sinned against heaven and against you. 19 I am no longer worthy to be called your son; make me like one of your hired servants.’ 20 So he got up and went to his father.

“But while he was still a long way off, his father saw him and was filled with compassion for him; he ran to his son, threw his arms around him and kissed him.

21 “The son said to him, ‘Father, I have sinned against heaven and against you. I am no longer worthy to be called your son.’

22 “But the father said to his servants, ‘Quick! Bring the best robe and put it on him. Put a ring on his finger and sandals on his feet. 23 Bring the fattened calf and kill it. Let’s have a feast and celebrate. 24 For this son of mine was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found.’ So they began to celebrate.


The son had refused the relationship with his father & left to 'sow his wild oats' so to speak & do things his own way against the fathers ways & teachings...but the father never stopped loving his son........similar to Gods love is always there, no matter what, but the relationship is based on accepting it.

The son came back home and enjoyed relationship with his father again. Had he, however, refused to return, he would have been forever separated from his father. It's not any more complicated than that.

Yes, God loves us. Yes, He's willing to accept us. Yes, He longs for us to come to Him. But we cannot expect Him to accept us while we reject Him.

So god rejects those who don't see him? That's douche.

 

[JustAnotherNut]

Proverbs 4:19......The way of the wicked is like darkness; They do not know over what they stumble.

 

[JustAnotherNut]

"There is nothing you can do to get or lose His love, it's a gift to all.........but few are willing to accept it."

If there's nothing I can do to lose his love, then my accepting it or not won't change a thing. Please try again.

By accepting His love, you thereby enter into a personal relationship with Him vs not accepting and not having a relationship.

On a more personal level for comparison.......have you ever loved someone that did not love you back? That didn't want to be in a relationship with you??? You still love(d) them anyway didn't you? It's kind of the same thing.

From what I can see, you are asking to justify your doubts because you've already decided Christians are suckers and God is non-existent. So there is nothing to be said to change you mind. Fine, you go on and live with your unbelief and I will live in my belief.

No, you contradicted yourself. because if there's nothing I can do to LOSE his love then I already have it. So even if I don't accept it, you said that I can't lose His love in ANY case.

I never said He didn't love you with or without you accepting it. His love is always there no matter. But without you accepting it, you can't be in a relationship with Him to enjoy full benefits of it........similar with the comparison I gave you or with hadit 's comparison with your kids.

A Biblical comparison from Luke 15:11

Jesus continued: “There was a man who had two sons.12 The younger one said to his father, ‘Father, give me my share of the estate So he divided his property between them.

13 “Not long after that, the younger son got together all he had, set off for a distant country and there squandered his wealth in wild living. 14 After he had spent everything, there was a severe famine in that whole country, and he began to be in need. 15 So he went and hired himself out to a citizen of that country, who sent him to his fields to feed pigs.16 He longed to fill his stomach with the pods that the pigs were eating, but no one gave him anything.

17 “When he came to his senses, he said, ‘How many of my father’s hired servants have food to spare, and here I am starving to death! 18 I will set out and go back to my father and say to him: Father, I have sinned against heaven and against you. 19 I am no longer worthy to be called your son; make me like one of your hired servants.’ 20 So he got up and went to his father.

“But while he was still a long way off, his father saw him and was filled with compassion for him; he ran to his son, threw his arms around him and kissed him.

21 “The son said to him, ‘Father, I have sinned against heaven and against you. I am no longer worthy to be called your son.’

22 “But the father said to his servants, ‘Quick! Bring the best robe and put it on him. Put a ring on his finger and sandals on his feet. 23 Bring the fattened calf and kill it. Let’s have a feast and celebrate. 24 For this son of mine was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found.’ So they began to celebrate.


The son had refused the relationship with his father & left to 'sow his wild oats' so to speak & do things his own way against the fathers ways & teachings...but the father never stopped loving his son........similar to Gods love is always there, no matter what, but the relationship is based on accepting it.

The son came back home and enjoyed relationship with his father again. Had he, however, refused to return, he would have been forever separated from his father. It's not any more complicated than that.

Yes, God loves us. Yes, He's willing to accept us. Yes, He longs for us to come to Him. But we cannot expect Him to accept us while we reject Him.

So god rejects those who don't see him? That's douche.

It is not His rejection, but your own of Him

 

[hadit]

Because you would realize how messed up you are compared to Him.

Is that what he told you or did you make that up yourself?

Everyone has who meets God honestly knows what I'm talking about.

Ok, so you're too ashamed to tell us what happened. Got it.

Ashamed? Not at all, you're just not privy to the experience. You'll understand when you face Him. The difference is I already have.

You have nothing. Got it.

I have experience that you are not privy to. I had this discussion with a guy who insisted that UFO abductions were real because he believed the small handful of stories, but that encounters with God were not, despite thousands of years of millions of people reporting the same thing,

 

[hadit]

By accepting His love, you thereby enter into a personal relationship with Him vs not accepting and not having a relationship.

On a more personal level for comparison.......have you ever loved someone that did not love you back? That didn't want to be in a relationship with you??? You still love(d) them anyway didn't you? It's kind of the same thing.

From what I can see, you are asking to justify your doubts because you've already decided Christians are suckers and God is non-existent. So there is nothing to be said to change you mind. Fine, you go on and live with your unbelief and I will live in my belief.

No, you contradicted yourself. because if there's nothing I can do to LOSE his love then I already have it. It doesn't matter what i think or do, you said that I can't lose His love in ANY case.

Judgement still happens, even though He loves you. I can love my children tremendously, but one that disobeys is punished, while one that obeys is not. The one who is punished is loved as much as the other.

So you're saying that you're the same as god.

I'm saying that I love my children, even though I had to discipline them when they were young. Are you really that obtuse, or just unwilling to see the parallel?

Ya I do, you think that god acts like you do.

When He says He is my father and I am His child, I know.

 

[hadit]

"There is nothing you can do to get or lose His love, it's a gift to all.........but few are willing to accept it."

If there's nothing I can do to lose his love, then my accepting it or not won't change a thing. Please try again.

By accepting His love, you thereby enter into a personal relationship with Him vs not accepting and not having a relationship.

On a more personal level for comparison.......have you ever loved someone that did not love you back? That didn't want to be in a relationship with you??? You still love(d) them anyway didn't you? It's kind of the same thing.

From what I can see, you are asking to justify your doubts because you've already decided Christians are suckers and God is non-existent. So there is nothing to be said to change you mind. Fine, you go on and live with your unbelief and I will live in my belief.

No, you contradicted yourself. because if there's nothing I can do to LOSE his love then I already have it. So even if I don't accept it, you said that I can't lose His love in ANY case.

I never said He didn't love you with or without you accepting it. His love is always there no matter. But without you accepting it, you can't be in a relationship with Him to enjoy full benefits of it........similar with the comparison I gave you or with hadit 's comparison with your kids.

A Biblical comparison from Luke 15:11

Jesus continued: “There was a man who had two sons.12 The younger one said to his father, ‘Father, give me my share of the estate So he divided his property between them.

13 “Not long after that, the younger son got together all he had, set off for a distant country and there squandered his wealth in wild living. 14 After he had spent everything, there was a severe famine in that whole country, and he began to be in need. 15 So he went and hired himself out to a citizen of that country, who sent him to his fields to feed pigs.16 He longed to fill his stomach with the pods that the pigs were eating, but no one gave him anything.

17 “When he came to his senses, he said, ‘How many of my father’s hired servants have food to spare, and here I am starving to death! 18 I will set out and go back to my father and say to him: Father, I have sinned against heaven and against you. 19 I am no longer worthy to be called your son; make me like one of your hired servants.’ 20 So he got up and went to his father.

“But while he was still a long way off, his father saw him and was filled with compassion for him; he ran to his son, threw his arms around him and kissed him.

21 “The son said to him, ‘Father, I have sinned against heaven and against you. I am no longer worthy to be called your son.’

22 “But the father said to his servants, ‘Quick! Bring the best robe and put it on him. Put a ring on his finger and sandals on his feet. 23 Bring the fattened calf and kill it. Let’s have a feast and celebrate. 24 For this son of mine was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found.’ So they began to celebrate.


The son had refused the relationship with his father & left to 'sow his wild oats' so to speak & do things his own way against the fathers ways & teachings...but the father never stopped loving his son........similar to Gods love is always there, no matter what, but the relationship is based on accepting it.

The son came back home and enjoyed relationship with his father again. Had he, however, refused to return, he would have been forever separated from his father. It's not any more complicated than that.

Yes, God loves us. Yes, He's willing to accept us. Yes, He longs for us to come to Him. But we cannot expect Him to accept us while we reject Him.

So god rejects those who don't see him? That's douche.

Every person makes the decision themselves. Why should God accept you when you reject Him? He will NOT reject anyone who accepts Him.

You tried to change "accept" into "see". Bad form there.