Discussion in 'Clean Debate Zone' started by Inevitable, Jun 22, 2014.
Doesn't the existence of bisexuals prove that homosexuality is a choice for many people?
Not sure what it proves, but if we do have a conscience and free will, we aren't slaves to passions, either. And nobody has to accept X cause out of political correctness. No, we don't.
Seems like there is a lot of switching back and forth between same sex relationships and heterosexual relationships.
The exact nature of sexual preference isn't completely understood although it appears to have a large genetic component. People don't "turn gay" anymore than they turn straight. However, they can choose to behave one way or another.
Example; a teenage girl is attracted to boys. That's her natural sexual preference. When she chooses to blow the entire football team after a game, that's sexual behavior.
The few views I have on gayness, gay people and gay politics are informed by thought such as the following.
Sexual Orientation and Reason: On the Implications of False Beliefs about Homosexuality
Being Gay Not a Choice: Science Contradicts Ben Carson
Homosexuality is innate - it isn't a choice
Beliefs about the Etiology of Homosexuality and about the Ramifications of Discovering Its Possible Genetic Origin
Changing the Immutable
Introducing the ‘gay gene’: media and scientific representations
From My Genes Made Me Do It:
In 1993, the West was told that a scientist had discovered a “gay gene”—a gene causing homosexuality. The details were confusing for non-scientists, but the headline stuck. For Mr and Ms Average Citizen, it seemed that homosexuality might be genetic.
Actually there was no “gay gene.” Even the scientist referred to, Dean Hamer of the United States National Institutes of Health, never claimed to have found a gene determining homosexuality. “We have not found the gene—which we don’t think exists— for sexual orientation,” he said. However, he claimed to have found evidence that some male homosexuality was passed through female members of a family. More specifically, he claimed to have found a linkage between homosexuality in males and a small stretch of the DNA on the X-chromosome.
Scientists now believe large number of genes are involved in behaviours. Studies on changes in histone proteins suggest that thousands of genes may be involved in almost any trait and that their expression can be greatly impacted by environmental events and even social interactions. Gene patterns may be a recipe for bodies, but are not a reliable recipe for behaviours.
The scientific community realises that “our genes do not make us do it”. Hamer has always believed that. To give him the last word: “There will never be a test that will say for certain whether a child will be gay. We know that for certain.”
What I think about the nature and origin of homosexuality in humans probably doesn't matter to or for anyone, including myself. I haven't really considered whether it is or isn't a choice. What I have considered is that:
Gay people declare that they are gay, and I have zero basis, will or need to tell them they are not.
Seeing as gay people do exist, and insofar as I don't give a damn whether they do or don't, it's irrelevant to me why they exist.
I have no need or desire to alter gay folks' sexual orientation, so unless they do have such a desire, I don't know why they give a damn why they are gay. I don't enter into relationships with an aim of "fixing" the other person, and I certainly have no desire to "fix" someone with whom I have no relationship.
There are literally thousands of things and people that attempt to interject themselves into my life. I have no difficulty dismissing any and all of them that hold no appeal for me. If and when any gay person or group thereof merits my disregard, I will have neither joy nor pain giving it to them.
Gay people are just that, people. Accordingly, I will treat them in all respects as I do every other person on the planet.
It is not in my or the U.S.' economic interest to deny to anyone that which may enable their contributing to the productivity and growth of our nation. That is so of whites, blacks, men, women, old and young. It's my observation that individuals in each of those groups may consider themselves gay. Since their contributions are beneficial to the whole, I am not about to take actions that disincline, fetters or extirpates their efforts to contribute as best they can.
The human mind, when a disease or dysfunction takes place , is a riddle. "The man that mistook his wife for a hat" , for instance, by the late great Oliver Sacks. The Human brain and it's maladies are still a great unexplored area. And sexuality, wow, that adds even more mystery. I am astounded by how defending what is obviously a major brain malfunction, is disturbing and humorous in much the same sad way.
I believe that homosexuality is genetic. I also believe that geneticists probably already know the genetic connection / cause but they (for whatever reason) don't want the rest of the world to know. I am willing to be wrong about that because it's just a gut feeling that I have at this point.
As it's a little related to this issue, I have wondered what the reaction would be to someone requesting a government grant to "find the genetic link" to homosexuality, develop a prenatal test and then offer a genetic remedy or even abortions to parents who decide they don't want a gay child.
After all, it's not a human being or a baby or a person before it is "born." Right?
And of course, if the woman / couple WANT a gay child?. . . the diagnosis might be good for them too.
Just think, when you sleep all those insects are having their way with you...
And I'm having my way with them.
You know....One need not be asleep to have one's way with insects.
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