Indigenous Palestinians Were JEWS

[MJB12741]

MJB12741,

The definition of "Indigenous People(s)" is tricky to say the least. The definition is often self serving.

Objectively, there are two very key issues that must be addressed before a determination can be made on the assignment of the "Indigenous People" label.

• How far back in time are you accepting evidence of a culture with historical ties to the territory?
• How long does it take for a culture to be in place before it can be considered "Indigenous?"
​

Who’s Indigenous?

(COMMENT)

There is NO Universally accepted definition for "Indigenous People." Why? (Rhetorical) Simply because it raises difficult questions that cannot be settled accurately by law.

The Ohio Scenario

If the Canadians mount a successful amphibious assault from Ontario and captures the State of Ohio, who are considered the "indigenous population?"
OR, is it still the Iroquois, Miami, and Shawnee Tribes that inhabited the Ohio Valley (territory west of the Appalachian Mountains) in the time of the French and Indian Wars?
OR, was it the first American Settlers that moving west and encroaching on the indian inhabitants?
​

It is tied up in the nebulas phrase "historical ties to a particular territory;" or as the Allied Powers said at San Remo: "the historical connexion of the Jewish people with Palestine." In 1920, when the Allied Powers were making decisions on the apportionment of former Ottoman Empire territory, they saw the history of the territory of Palestine as very transient and evolving. The territory of Palestine was a sliver of land that was controlled by numerous different Empires, Countries, and Cultural Authorities [Paleo-Canaanites, Amorites, Ancient Egyptians, Israelites, Moabites, Ammonites, Tjeker, Philistines, Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Ancient Greeks, Romans, Byzantines, (Umayads, Abbasids, Seljuqs, Fatimids), French Crusaders, (Ayyubids, Mameluks, Ottoman Turks), and soon the British]. (List from Wikipedia --- History of Palestine) This is what the Allied Powers saw in the way of History. This is part of the thought process that ultimately lead them to the decisions they made.

Yes, we also consider cultural and historical distinction, ethnic groups associated, and a share sense of identity. But in the end, you have to ask yourself, how long do you look back in time to determine "indigenous?"

Most Respectfully,
R

In 1920, when the Allied Powers were making decisions on the apportionment of former Ottoman Empire territory, they saw the history of the territory of Palestine as very transient and evolving. The territory of Palestine was a sliver of land that was controlled by numerous different Empires, Countries, and Cultural Authorities [Paleo-Canaanites, Amorites, Ancient Egyptians, Israelites, Moabites, Ammonites, Tjeker, Philistines, Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Ancient Greeks, Romans, Byzantines, (Umayads, Abbasids, Seljuqs, Fatimids), French Crusaders, (Ayyubids, Mameluks, Ottoman Turks), and soon the British].​

That is true. The population of Palestine has been in flux for thousands of years. It has been invaded, conquered and occupied. It was the center of major trade routes. Many people had come and gone.

However, there was a core group of people who stayed and put down roots. These are the people who built Palestine. They built the cities, towns, and hundreds of farm villages that produced a surplus of food that was exported to other countries.

These are the people of the place. A place called Palestine whose international borders were defined by post war treaties. These are the people who became citizens of Palestine.

Indigenous? How could you say not?

Yes a place but not a nation, and that place was the Mandate of Palestine that took in Jewish Palestine and arab muslim Palestine. The indigenous people since the roman invasion were the Jews, followed by the Christians 400 years later and the muslims 400 years after that. The arab muslims finally conquered that land and held it for 22 years before being evicted in 1099. Then the Turks invaded and made it part of the Ottoman empire in 1520 and ruled loosely until the defeat in 1917 that led to the armistice of Mudros that led in turn to the treaty of Sevres. This led to the partition of the Ottoman Empire by the LoN under the Mandate system. The area known as Palestine was delineated into a Jewish part and an arab muslim part to account for the differences in the population numbers. This was not acceptable to the arab muslims after having already agreed to the partition so they demanded everything and now have nothing

So?

So, all Palestinians with no titles or deeds wshatgsoever to the land they stole should leave. Don't you agree?

 

[Humanity]

indigenous people since the roman invasion were the Jews

Who were the "indigenous people" BEFORE the Roman invasion?

The Jews of course, right back to 2,500 BCE. No arab muslims for another 700 years was there ?

And the "indigenous people" BEFORE 2,500 BCE?

You see, that 2,500 BCE is NOT the start of history as you like to believe!

 

[Humanity]

MJB12741,

The definition of "Indigenous People(s)" is tricky to say the least. The definition is often self serving.

Objectively, there are two very key issues that must be addressed before a determination can be made on the assignment of the "Indigenous People" label.

• How far back in time are you accepting evidence of a culture with historical ties to the territory?
• How long does it take for a culture to be in place before it can be considered "Indigenous?"
​

Who’s Indigenous?

(COMMENT)

There is NO Universally accepted definition for "Indigenous People." Why? (Rhetorical) Simply because it raises difficult questions that cannot be settled accurately by law.

The Ohio Scenario

If the Canadians mount a successful amphibious assault from Ontario and captures the State of Ohio, who are considered the "indigenous population?"
OR, is it still the Iroquois, Miami, and Shawnee Tribes that inhabited the Ohio Valley (territory west of the Appalachian Mountains) in the time of the French and Indian Wars?
OR, was it the first American Settlers that moving west and encroaching on the indian inhabitants?
​

It is tied up in the nebulas phrase "historical ties to a particular territory;" or as the Allied Powers said at San Remo: "the historical connexion of the Jewish people with Palestine." In 1920, when the Allied Powers were making decisions on the apportionment of former Ottoman Empire territory, they saw the history of the territory of Palestine as very transient and evolving. The territory of Palestine was a sliver of land that was controlled by numerous different Empires, Countries, and Cultural Authorities [Paleo-Canaanites, Amorites, Ancient Egyptians, Israelites, Moabites, Ammonites, Tjeker, Philistines, Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Ancient Greeks, Romans, Byzantines, (Umayads, Abbasids, Seljuqs, Fatimids), French Crusaders, (Ayyubids, Mameluks, Ottoman Turks), and soon the British]. (List from Wikipedia --- History of Palestine) This is what the Allied Powers saw in the way of History. This is part of the thought process that ultimately lead them to the decisions they made.

Yes, we also consider cultural and historical distinction, ethnic groups associated, and a share sense of identity. But in the end, you have to ask yourself, how long do you look back in time to determine "indigenous?"

Most Respectfully,
R

In 1920, when the Allied Powers were making decisions on the apportionment of former Ottoman Empire territory, they saw the history of the territory of Palestine as very transient and evolving. The territory of Palestine was a sliver of land that was controlled by numerous different Empires, Countries, and Cultural Authorities [Paleo-Canaanites, Amorites, Ancient Egyptians, Israelites, Moabites, Ammonites, Tjeker, Philistines, Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Ancient Greeks, Romans, Byzantines, (Umayads, Abbasids, Seljuqs, Fatimids), French Crusaders, (Ayyubids, Mameluks, Ottoman Turks), and soon the British].​

That is true. The population of Palestine has been in flux for thousands of years. It has been invaded, conquered and occupied. It was the center of major trade routes. Many people had come and gone.

However, there was a core group of people who stayed and put down roots. These are the people who built Palestine. They built the cities, towns, and hundreds of farm villages that produced a surplus of food that was exported to other countries.

These are the people of the place. A place called Palestine whose international borders were defined by post war treaties. These are the people who became citizens of Palestine.

Indigenous? How could you say not?

Yes a place but not a nation, and that place was the Mandate of Palestine that took in Jewish Palestine and arab muslim Palestine. The indigenous people since the roman invasion were the Jews, followed by the Christians 400 years later and the muslims 400 years after that. The arab muslims finally conquered that land and held it for 22 years before being evicted in 1099. Then the Turks invaded and made it part of the Ottoman empire in 1520 and ruled loosely until the defeat in 1917 that led to the armistice of Mudros that led in turn to the treaty of Sevres. This led to the partition of the Ottoman Empire by the LoN under the Mandate system. The area known as Palestine was delineated into a Jewish part and an arab muslim part to account for the differences in the population numbers. This was not acceptable to the arab muslims after having already agreed to the partition so they demanded everything and now have nothing

So?

So, all Palestinians with no titles or deeds wshatgsoever to the land they stole should leave. Don't you agree?

So should those bloody Brits... 40% of them have NO title or deed in the UK you know!

And as for 60% of the Germans having no title or deed... Well, send them back to where they came from!

Don't you agree?

 

[Humanity]

P F Tinmore, et al,

You did not answer the questions.

Objectively, there are two very key issues that must be addressed before a determination can be made on the assignment of the "Indigenous People" label.

• How far back in time are you accepting evidence of a culture with historical ties to the territory?
• How long does it take for a culture to be in place before it can be considered "Indigenous?"​

​

That is true. The population of Palestine has been in flux for thousands of years. It has been invaded, conquered and occupied. It was the center of major trade routes. Many people had come and gone.

However, there was a core group of people who stayed and put down roots. These are the people who built Palestine. They built the cities, towns, and hundreds of farm villages that produced a surplus of food that was exported to other countries.

These are the people of the place. A place called Palestine whose international borders were defined by post war treaties. These are the people who became citizens of Palestine.

Indigenous? How could you say not?

(COMMENT)

The Jewish immigration associate with the Balfour Declaration started nearly century ago. At what point are the Jewish people eligible to be called "indigenous" under your criteria. When, in the course of events, the Arab indigenous population ceases to be a population constituent of the region, and are replaced by the new constituent, is the new constituent the indigenous population? (Americans, for just over two hundred years, have controlled about four-fifths of America to date. At what point are the Americans indigenous to America?)

Israel the territory, for whatever reason, is dominated by Israelis. And the Arab, for whatever reason, have vacated the region. This is a scenario that has been played out a hundred times or more throughout the regional history. When do the Israeli become the "indigenous" population?

Of all the Arab Palestinians registered in the UNRWA CERI Database, how many actually lived in the territory now sovereign to Israel? They would have to be at least 67 years old. And how many will be left in 33 more years (100 years after Israeli Independence)? The number grows smaller all the time. Many of the registered refugees have more of a tie to the Refugee Camp than to any claim they might have had in Israel.

Who is indigenous to where?

Most Respectfully,
R

Just a question Rocco...

Are you saying that Native American Indians, you know, the indigenous peoples of the Americas, may not be so indigenous now?

Are the Maya in Latin America becoming less indigenous? Were the Spanish once indigenous in Latin America?

I fail to see how Israelis can "become" the indigenous people... Were the Romans, Greeks, Ottomans once indigenous to the region?

 

[Challenger]

So should those bloody Brits... 40% of them have NO title or deed in the UK you know!

Oi! less of the "Brits" thank you, it's "bloody British" or "b*stard British" or "Perfidious Albion" if you must, I find being called a "Brit" offensive.

 

[Humanity]

So should those bloody Brits... 40% of them have NO title or deed in the UK you know!

Oi! less of the "Brits" thank you, it's "bloody British" or "b*stard British" or "Perfidious Albion" if you must, I find being called a "Brit" offensive.

As a bloody Brit myself I find it... Oh shit wait... Am I a self hating Brit?

 

[Challenger]

P F Tinmore, et al,

You did not answer the questions.

Objectively, there are two very key issues that must be addressed before a determination can be made on the assignment of the "Indigenous People" label.

• How far back in time are you accepting evidence of a culture with historical ties to the territory?
• How long does it take for a culture to be in place before it can be considered "Indigenous?"​

​

That is true. The population of Palestine has been in flux for thousands of years. It has been invaded, conquered and occupied. It was the center of major trade routes. Many people had come and gone.

However, there was a core group of people who stayed and put down roots. These are the people who built Palestine. They built the cities, towns, and hundreds of farm villages that produced a surplus of food that was exported to other countries.

These are the people of the place. A place called Palestine whose international borders were defined by post war treaties. These are the people who became citizens of Palestine.

Indigenous? How could you say not?

(COMMENT)

The Jewish immigration associate with the Balfour Declaration started nearly century ago. At what point are the Jewish people eligible to be called "indigenous" under your criteria. When, in the course of events, the Arab indigenous population ceases to be a population constituent of the region, and are replaced by the new constituent, is the new constituent the indigenous population? (Americans, for just over two hundred years, have controlled about four-fifths of America to date. At what point are the Americans indigenous to America?)

Israel the territory, for whatever reason, is dominated by Israelis. And the Arab, for whatever reason, have vacated the region. This is a scenario that has been played out a hundred times or more throughout the regional history. When do the Israeli become the "indigenous" population?

Of all the Arab Palestinians registered in the UNRWA CERI Database, how many actually lived in the territory now sovereign to Israel? They would have to be at least 67 years old. And how many will be left in 33 more years (100 years after Israeli Independence)? The number grows smaller all the time. Many of the registered refugees have more of a tie to the Refugee Camp than to any claim they might have had in Israel.

Who is indigenous to where?

Most Respectfully,
R

Interesting point. I would say colonisers can never be considered "indigenous" to the territory they colonise, unless perhaps, they interbreed with the indigenous population and they and their descendants evolve a new joint "culture" that becomes associated with that territory. The writer in the OP link is a "Métis" which would qualify, so would Mulattos.

 

[Challenger]

So should those bloody Brits... 40% of them have NO title or deed in the UK you know!

Oi! less of the "Brits" thank you, it's "bloody British" or "b*stard British" or "Perfidious Albion" if you must, I find being called a "Brit" offensive.

As a bloody Brit myself I find it... Oh shit wait... Am I a self hating Brit?

No such thing, unless you are Phoney...oh, wait he just hates those who disagree with him, and Muslims, of course.

 

[Phoenall]

indigenous people since the roman invasion were the Jews

Who were the "indigenous people" BEFORE the Roman invasion?

The Jews of course, right back to 2,500 BCE. No arab muslims for another 700 years was there ?

And the "indigenous people" BEFORE 2,500 BCE?

You see, that 2,500 BCE is NOT the start of history as you like to believe!

Never said it was, so why do you lie. I say it is the start of Jewish occupancy of the land and carries on to the present day. Christians can claim occupancy from about 350 C.E, and the arab muslims from about 700 C.E. I did not bother going back any further than 2,500 BCE as the historical records are very poor that far back and we rely on the likes of the Bible and Torah for the evidence.

 

[Phoenall]

MJB12741,

The definition of "Indigenous People(s)" is tricky to say the least. The definition is often self serving.

Objectively, there are two very key issues that must be addressed before a determination can be made on the assignment of the "Indigenous People" label.

• How far back in time are you accepting evidence of a culture with historical ties to the territory?
• How long does it take for a culture to be in place before it can be considered "Indigenous?"
​

(COMMENT)

There is NO Universally accepted definition for "Indigenous People." Why? (Rhetorical) Simply because it raises difficult questions that cannot be settled accurately by law.

The Ohio Scenario

If the Canadians mount a successful amphibious assault from Ontario and captures the State of Ohio, who are considered the "indigenous population?"
OR, is it still the Iroquois, Miami, and Shawnee Tribes that inhabited the Ohio Valley (territory west of the Appalachian Mountains) in the time of the French and Indian Wars?
OR, was it the first American Settlers that moving west and encroaching on the indian inhabitants?
​

It is tied up in the nebulas phrase "historical ties to a particular territory;" or as the Allied Powers said at San Remo: "the historical connexion of the Jewish people with Palestine." In 1920, when the Allied Powers were making decisions on the apportionment of former Ottoman Empire territory, they saw the history of the territory of Palestine as very transient and evolving. The territory of Palestine was a sliver of land that was controlled by numerous different Empires, Countries, and Cultural Authorities [Paleo-Canaanites, Amorites, Ancient Egyptians, Israelites, Moabites, Ammonites, Tjeker, Philistines, Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Ancient Greeks, Romans, Byzantines, (Umayads, Abbasids, Seljuqs, Fatimids), French Crusaders, (Ayyubids, Mameluks, Ottoman Turks), and soon the British]. (List from Wikipedia --- History of Palestine) This is what the Allied Powers saw in the way of History. This is part of the thought process that ultimately lead them to the decisions they made.

Yes, we also consider cultural and historical distinction, ethnic groups associated, and a share sense of identity. But in the end, you have to ask yourself, how long do you look back in time to determine "indigenous?"

Most Respectfully,
R

In 1920, when the Allied Powers were making decisions on the apportionment of former Ottoman Empire territory, they saw the history of the territory of Palestine as very transient and evolving. The territory of Palestine was a sliver of land that was controlled by numerous different Empires, Countries, and Cultural Authorities [Paleo-Canaanites, Amorites, Ancient Egyptians, Israelites, Moabites, Ammonites, Tjeker, Philistines, Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Ancient Greeks, Romans, Byzantines, (Umayads, Abbasids, Seljuqs, Fatimids), French Crusaders, (Ayyubids, Mameluks, Ottoman Turks), and soon the British].​

That is true. The population of Palestine has been in flux for thousands of years. It has been invaded, conquered and occupied. It was the center of major trade routes. Many people had come and gone.

However, there was a core group of people who stayed and put down roots. These are the people who built Palestine. They built the cities, towns, and hundreds of farm villages that produced a surplus of food that was exported to other countries.

These are the people of the place. A place called Palestine whose international borders were defined by post war treaties. These are the people who became citizens of Palestine.

Indigenous? How could you say not?

Yes a place but not a nation, and that place was the Mandate of Palestine that took in Jewish Palestine and arab muslim Palestine. The indigenous people since the roman invasion were the Jews, followed by the Christians 400 years later and the muslims 400 years after that. The arab muslims finally conquered that land and held it for 22 years before being evicted in 1099. Then the Turks invaded and made it part of the Ottoman empire in 1520 and ruled loosely until the defeat in 1917 that led to the armistice of Mudros that led in turn to the treaty of Sevres. This led to the partition of the Ottoman Empire by the LoN under the Mandate system. The area known as Palestine was delineated into a Jewish part and an arab muslim part to account for the differences in the population numbers. This was not acceptable to the arab muslims after having already agreed to the partition so they demanded everything and now have nothing

So?

So, all Palestinians with no titles or deeds wshatgsoever to the land they stole should leave. Don't you agree?

So should those bloody Brits... 40% of them have NO title or deed in the UK you know!

And as for 60% of the Germans having no title or deed... Well, send them back to where they came from!

Don't you agree?

Actually many more than that as they live in rented accommodation. I have deeds to my property going back to the 1700's when it was bequeathed as a wedding gift to the Earl of Zetlands daughter

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

You did not answer the questions.

Objectively, there are two very key issues that must be addressed before a determination can be made on the assignment of the "Indigenous People" label.

• How far back in time are you accepting evidence of a culture with historical ties to the territory?
• How long does it take for a culture to be in place before it can be considered "Indigenous?"​

​

That is true. The population of Palestine has been in flux for thousands of years. It has been invaded, conquered and occupied. It was the center of major trade routes. Many people had come and gone.

However, there was a core group of people who stayed and put down roots. These are the people who built Palestine. They built the cities, towns, and hundreds of farm villages that produced a surplus of food that was exported to other countries.

These are the people of the place. A place called Palestine whose international borders were defined by post war treaties. These are the people who became citizens of Palestine.

Indigenous? How could you say not?

(COMMENT)

The Jewish immigration associate with the Balfour Declaration started nearly century ago. At what point are the Jewish people eligible to be called "indigenous" under your criteria. When, in the course of events, the Arab indigenous population ceases to be a population constituent of the region, and are replaced by the new constituent, is the new constituent the indigenous population? (Americans, for just over two hundred years, have controlled about four-fifths of America to date. At what point are the Americans indigenous to America?)

Israel the territory, for whatever reason, is dominated by Israelis. And the Arab, for whatever reason, have vacated the region. This is a scenario that has been played out a hundred times or more throughout the regional history. When do the Israeli become the "indigenous" population?

Of all the Arab Palestinians registered in the UNRWA CERI Database, how many actually lived in the territory now sovereign to Israel? They would have to be at least 67 years old. And how many will be left in 33 more years (100 years after Israeli Independence)? The number grows smaller all the time. Many of the registered refugees have more of a tie to the Refugee Camp than to any claim they might have had in Israel.

Who is indigenous to where?

Most Respectfully,
R

Just a question Rocco...

Are you saying that Native American Indians, you know, the indigenous peoples of the Americas, may not be so indigenous now?

Are the Maya in Latin America becoming less indigenous? Were the Spanish once indigenous in Latin America?

I fail to see how Israelis can "become" the indigenous people... Were the Romans, Greeks, Ottomans once indigenous to the region?

Who has an uninterrupted presence on the land for the last 4,500 years should give you an idea, a little clue it cant be the young religions as they were not invented until the early part of the common era

 

[Phoenall]

So should those bloody Brits... 40% of them have NO title or deed in the UK you know!

Oi! less of the "Brits" thank you, it's "bloody British" or "b*stard British" or "Perfidious Albion" if you must, I find being called a "Brit" offensive.

As a bloody Brit myself I find it... Oh shit wait... Am I a self hating Brit?

Most probably, and one of the Corbynites that wants to see Britain become Islamic.

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

You did not answer the questions.

Objectively, there are two very key issues that must be addressed before a determination can be made on the assignment of the "Indigenous People" label.

• How far back in time are you accepting evidence of a culture with historical ties to the territory?
• How long does it take for a culture to be in place before it can be considered "Indigenous?"​

​

That is true. The population of Palestine has been in flux for thousands of years. It has been invaded, conquered and occupied. It was the center of major trade routes. Many people had come and gone.

However, there was a core group of people who stayed and put down roots. These are the people who built Palestine. They built the cities, towns, and hundreds of farm villages that produced a surplus of food that was exported to other countries.

These are the people of the place. A place called Palestine whose international borders were defined by post war treaties. These are the people who became citizens of Palestine.

Indigenous? How could you say not?

(COMMENT)

The Jewish immigration associate with the Balfour Declaration started nearly century ago. At what point are the Jewish people eligible to be called "indigenous" under your criteria. When, in the course of events, the Arab indigenous population ceases to be a population constituent of the region, and are replaced by the new constituent, is the new constituent the indigenous population? (Americans, for just over two hundred years, have controlled about four-fifths of America to date. At what point are the Americans indigenous to America?)

Israel the territory, for whatever reason, is dominated by Israelis. And the Arab, for whatever reason, have vacated the region. This is a scenario that has been played out a hundred times or more throughout the regional history. When do the Israeli become the "indigenous" population?

Of all the Arab Palestinians registered in the UNRWA CERI Database, how many actually lived in the territory now sovereign to Israel? They would have to be at least 67 years old. And how many will be left in 33 more years (100 years after Israeli Independence)? The number grows smaller all the time. Many of the registered refugees have more of a tie to the Refugee Camp than to any claim they might have had in Israel.

Who is indigenous to where?

Most Respectfully,
R

Interesting point. I would say colonisers can never be considered "indigenous" to the territory they colonise, unless perhaps, they interbreed with the indigenous population and they and their descendants evolve a new joint "culture" that becomes associated with that territory. The writer in the OP link is a "Métis" which would qualify, so would Mulattos.

Like the Jews did 4,500 years ago and have stayed on the land ever since ?

 

[Challenger]

As have the Palestinians.

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

You did not answer the questions.

Objectively, there are two very key issues that must be addressed before a determination can be made on the assignment of the "Indigenous People" label.

• How far back in time are you accepting evidence of a culture with historical ties to the territory?
• How long does it take for a culture to be in place before it can be considered "Indigenous?"​

​

That is true. The population of Palestine has been in flux for thousands of years. It has been invaded, conquered and occupied. It was the center of major trade routes. Many people had come and gone.

However, there was a core group of people who stayed and put down roots. These are the people who built Palestine. They built the cities, towns, and hundreds of farm villages that produced a surplus of food that was exported to other countries.

These are the people of the place. A place called Palestine whose international borders were defined by post war treaties. These are the people who became citizens of Palestine.

Indigenous? How could you say not?

(COMMENT)

The Jewish immigration associate with the Balfour Declaration started nearly century ago. At what point are the Jewish people eligible to be called "indigenous" under your criteria. When, in the course of events, the Arab indigenous population ceases to be a population constituent of the region, and are replaced by the new constituent, is the new constituent the indigenous population? (Americans, for just over two hundred years, have controlled about four-fifths of America to date. At what point are the Americans indigenous to America?)

Israel the territory, for whatever reason, is dominated by Israelis. And the Arab, for whatever reason, have vacated the region. This is a scenario that has been played out a hundred times or more throughout the regional history. When do the Israeli become the "indigenous" population?

Of all the Arab Palestinians registered in the UNRWA CERI Database, how many actually lived in the territory now sovereign to Israel? They would have to be at least 67 years old. And how many will be left in 33 more years (100 years after Israeli Independence)? The number grows smaller all the time. Many of the registered refugees have more of a tie to the Refugee Camp than to any claim they might have had in Israel.

Who is indigenous to where?

Most Respectfully,
R

The questions.

• How far back in time are you accepting evidence of a culture with historical ties to the territory?
• How long does it take for a culture to be in place before it can be considered "Indigenous?"​

Good questions. Can occupations ever be considered indigenous?

Could you provide a link with your answer?

 

[Hollie]

As have the Palestinians.

Egyptian, Syrian and, Lebanese squatters and land grabbers are not "Pal'istanians" simply by virtue of Arafat assigning an identity to them.

 

[Hollie]

P F Tinmore, et al,

You did not answer the questions.

Objectively, there are two very key issues that must be addressed before a determination can be made on the assignment of the "Indigenous People" label.

• How far back in time are you accepting evidence of a culture with historical ties to the territory?
• How long does it take for a culture to be in place before it can be considered "Indigenous?"​

​

That is true. The population of Palestine has been in flux for thousands of years. It has been invaded, conquered and occupied. It was the center of major trade routes. Many people had come and gone.

However, there was a core group of people who stayed and put down roots. These are the people who built Palestine. They built the cities, towns, and hundreds of farm villages that produced a surplus of food that was exported to other countries.

These are the people of the place. A place called Palestine whose international borders were defined by post war treaties. These are the people who became citizens of Palestine.

Indigenous? How could you say not?

(COMMENT)

The Jewish immigration associate with the Balfour Declaration started nearly century ago. At what point are the Jewish people eligible to be called "indigenous" under your criteria. When, in the course of events, the Arab indigenous population ceases to be a population constituent of the region, and are replaced by the new constituent, is the new constituent the indigenous population? (Americans, for just over two hundred years, have controlled about four-fifths of America to date. At what point are the Americans indigenous to America?)

Israel the territory, for whatever reason, is dominated by Israelis. And the Arab, for whatever reason, have vacated the region. This is a scenario that has been played out a hundred times or more throughout the regional history. When do the Israeli become the "indigenous" population?

Of all the Arab Palestinians registered in the UNRWA CERI Database, how many actually lived in the territory now sovereign to Israel? They would have to be at least 67 years old. And how many will be left in 33 more years (100 years after Israeli Independence)? The number grows smaller all the time. Many of the registered refugees have more of a tie to the Refugee Camp than to any claim they might have had in Israel.

Who is indigenous to where?

Most Respectfully,
R

The questions.

• How far back in time are you accepting evidence of a culture with historical ties to the territory?
• How long does it take for a culture to be in place before it can be considered "Indigenous?"​

Good questions. Can occupations ever be considered indigenous?

Could you provide a link with your answer?

P F Tinmore, et al,

You did not answer the questions.

Objectively, there are two very key issues that must be addressed before a determination can be made on the assignment of the "Indigenous People" label.

• How far back in time are you accepting evidence of a culture with historical ties to the territory?
• How long does it take for a culture to be in place before it can be considered "Indigenous?"​

​

That is true. The population of Palestine has been in flux for thousands of years. It has been invaded, conquered and occupied. It was the center of major trade routes. Many people had come and gone.

However, there was a core group of people who stayed and put down roots. These are the people who built Palestine. They built the cities, towns, and hundreds of farm villages that produced a surplus of food that was exported to other countries.

These are the people of the place. A place called Palestine whose international borders were defined by post war treaties. These are the people who became citizens of Palestine.

Indigenous? How could you say not?

(COMMENT)

The Jewish immigration associate with the Balfour Declaration started nearly century ago. At what point are the Jewish people eligible to be called "indigenous" under your criteria. When, in the course of events, the Arab indigenous population ceases to be a population constituent of the region, and are replaced by the new constituent, is the new constituent the indigenous population? (Americans, for just over two hundred years, have controlled about four-fifths of America to date. At what point are the Americans indigenous to America?)

Israel the territory, for whatever reason, is dominated by Israelis. And the Arab, for whatever reason, have vacated the region. This is a scenario that has been played out a hundred times or more throughout the regional history. When do the Israeli become the "indigenous" population?

Of all the Arab Palestinians registered in the UNRWA CERI Database, how many actually lived in the territory now sovereign to Israel? They would have to be at least 67 years old. And how many will be left in 33 more years (100 years after Israeli Independence)? The number grows smaller all the time. Many of the registered refugees have more of a tie to the Refugee Camp than to any claim they might have had in Israel.

Who is indigenous to where?

Most Respectfully,
R

The questions.

• How far back in time are you accepting evidence of a culture with historical ties to the territory?
• How long does it take for a culture to be in place before it can be considered "Indigenous?"​

Good questions. Can occupations ever be considered indigenous?

Could you provide a link with your answer?

Good questions you made a clumsy attempt to avoid addressing.

When are Egyptian, Syrian and Lebanese land thieves and occupiers considered an indigenous population of a non-existent country?

 

[Humanity]

I say it is the start of Jewish occupancy of the land and carries on to the present day

At last... Phoney coming to his senses!

Finally admitting that Jewish occupancy started only 2,500 years ago, more or less, and continues today!

It's about time you converted from the 'dark side'!

 

[Humanity]

In 1920, when the Allied Powers were making decisions on the apportionment of former Ottoman Empire territory, they saw the history of the territory of Palestine as very transient and evolving. The territory of Palestine was a sliver of land that was controlled by numerous different Empires, Countries, and Cultural Authorities [Paleo-Canaanites, Amorites, Ancient Egyptians, Israelites, Moabites, Ammonites, Tjeker, Philistines, Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Ancient Greeks, Romans, Byzantines, (Umayads, Abbasids, Seljuqs, Fatimids), French Crusaders, (Ayyubids, Mameluks, Ottoman Turks), and soon the British].​

That is true. The population of Palestine has been in flux for thousands of years. It has been invaded, conquered and occupied. It was the center of major trade routes. Many people had come and gone.

However, there was a core group of people who stayed and put down roots. These are the people who built Palestine. They built the cities, towns, and hundreds of farm villages that produced a surplus of food that was exported to other countries.

These are the people of the place. A place called Palestine whose international borders were defined by post war treaties. These are the people who became citizens of Palestine.

Indigenous? How could you say not?

Yes a place but not a nation, and that place was the Mandate of Palestine that took in Jewish Palestine and arab muslim Palestine. The indigenous people since the roman invasion were the Jews, followed by the Christians 400 years later and the muslims 400 years after that. The arab muslims finally conquered that land and held it for 22 years before being evicted in 1099. Then the Turks invaded and made it part of the Ottoman empire in 1520 and ruled loosely until the defeat in 1917 that led to the armistice of Mudros that led in turn to the treaty of Sevres. This led to the partition of the Ottoman Empire by the LoN under the Mandate system. The area known as Palestine was delineated into a Jewish part and an arab muslim part to account for the differences in the population numbers. This was not acceptable to the arab muslims after having already agreed to the partition so they demanded everything and now have nothing

So?

So, all Palestinians with no titles or deeds wshatgsoever to the land they stole should leave. Don't you agree?

So should those bloody Brits... 40% of them have NO title or deed in the UK you know!

And as for 60% of the Germans having no title or deed... Well, send them back to where they came from!

Don't you agree?

Actually many more than that as they live in rented accommodation. I have deeds to my property going back to the 1700's when it was bequeathed as a wedding gift to the Earl of Zetlands daughter

Wow, well you are 'safe' then Phoney...

Those 40%+ Brits are in trouble... Where shall we send them? Damn squatters with no deeds!

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

You did not answer the questions.

P F Tinmore, et al,

What is the definition of indigenous. Your asking for a definition for which I already said does not exist.

Objectively, there are two very key issues that must be addressed before a determination can be made on the assignment of the "Indigenous People" label.

• How far back in time are you accepting evidence of a culture with historical ties to the territory?
• How long does it take for a culture to be in place before it can be considered "Indigenous?"​

​

That is true. The population of Palestine has been in flux for thousands of years. It has been invaded, conquered and occupied. It was the center of major trade routes. Many people had come and gone.

However, there was a core group of people who stayed and put down roots. These are the people who built Palestine. They built the cities, towns, and hundreds of farm villages that produced a surplus of food that was exported to other countries.

These are the people of the place. A place called Palestine whose international borders were defined by post war treaties. These are the people who became citizens of Palestine.

Indigenous? How could you say not?

(COMMENT)

The Jewish immigration associate with the Balfour Declaration started nearly century ago. At what point are the Jewish people eligible to be called "indigenous" under your criteria. When, in the course of events, the Arab indigenous population ceases to be a population constituent of the region, and are replaced by the new constituent, is the new constituent the indigenous population? (Americans, for just over two hundred years, have controlled about four-fifths of America to date. At what point are the Americans indigenous to America?)

Israel the territory, for whatever reason, is dominated by Israelis. And the Arab, for whatever reason, have vacated the region. This is a scenario that has been played out a hundred times or more throughout the regional history. When do the Israeli become the "indigenous" population?

Of all the Arab Palestinians registered in the UNRWA CERI Database, how many actually lived in the territory now sovereign to Israel? They would have to be at least 67 years old. And how many will be left in 33 more years (100 years after Israeli Independence)? The number grows smaller all the time. Many of the registered refugees have more of a tie to the Refugee Camp than to any claim they might have had in Israel.

Who is indigenous to where?

Most Respectfully,
R

The questions.

• How far back in time are you accepting evidence of a culture with historical ties to the territory?
• How long does it take for a culture to be in place before it can be considered "Indigenous?"​

Good questions. Can occupations ever be considered indigenous?

Could you provide a link with your answer?

(COMMENT)

You still did not answer the questions.

An Occupation Power is "never" the same as the "indigenous population." The "Occupation Power" is the nation that has actually placed the territory under the authority for the hostile army. (Article 42 of the Hague Convention)

Indigenous population can be the Israelis that have establish a recognized state.

Most Respectfully,
R