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No, their characters were just more revealed as a result of their circumstances. There are plenty of people who find themselves in that situation and overcome it.
No, their characters were just more revealed as a result of their circumstances. There are plenty of people who find themselves in that situation and overcome it.
You mean who perservere despite the adversity, right?
No doubt.
But the former studio musican drummer who broke his neck cannot, by dint of his forceful character and strong will, overcome that handicap.
My entire point is merely to refute the overstatement (or mistaken belief) that ones FREE WILL (read character) is everything that matters to the outcome of one's life.
Obviously character is damned important to one's life.
But FATE is no less important.
No, their characters were just more revealed as a result of their circumstances. There are plenty of people who find themselves in that situation and overcome it.
You mean who perservere despite the adversity, right?
No doubt.
But the former studio musican drummer who broke his neck cannot, by dint of his forceful character and strong will, overcome that handicap.
My entire point is merely to refute the overstatement (or mistaken belief) that ones FREE WILL (read character) is everything that matters to the outcome of one's life.
Obviously character is damned important to one's life.
But FATE is no less important.
No, their characters were just more revealed as a result of their circumstances. There are plenty of people who find themselves in that situation and overcome it.
You mean who perservere despite the adversity, right?
No doubt.
But the former studio musican drummer who broke his neck cannot, by dint of his forceful character and strong will, overcome that handicap.
My entire point is merely to refute the overstatement (or mistaken belief) that ones FREE WILL (read character) is everything that matters to the outcome of one's life.
Obviously character is damned important to one's life.
But FATE is no less important.
Of course he can. He may not be able to be a drummer. But hopefully there is more to life than being a drummer.
You mean who perservere despite the adversity, right?
No doubt.
But the former studio musican drummer who broke his neck cannot, by dint of his forceful character and strong will, overcome that handicap.
My entire point is merely to refute the overstatement (or mistaken belief) that ones FREE WILL (read character) is everything that matters to the outcome of one's life.
Obviously character is damned important to one's life.
But FATE is no less important.
Of course he can. He may not be able to be a drummer. But hopefully there is more to life than being a drummer.
Sure. Joni comes to mind right away. But in fairness to Editec, there are people such as quadriplegics or with other incapacitating medical conditions or severe mental handicaps who cannot survive without the help of others. And a moral society does care for such people.
My quarrel with Editec is he ssems to think that policy should be based on those extreme cases and include the vast majority who aren't unable to help themselves.
I see the two situations as unrelated and whatever policies are adopted, such policy should deal with each separately.
There's nothing misrepresented. You're grasping at straws because it's all you have left. So she left that category out. Citing a 47% approval rating as a smoking gun doesn't really help you. Last I checked that was also still less than half.
She left out the richest category because their approval rating of Obama is higher than the middle class approval rating, and thus demolishes her latest awkward attempt at making a point.
It's pretty sad when a rightwinger has to distort a CNS story in order to propagandize against Obama.
Were you slow in math or something? IT'S 47 FUCKING PERCENT. AS IN LESS THAN HALF, GENIUS. Are you honestly going to try to tell us that, had she cited it, you would be flapping your arms like an idiot, 'but look at that wonderful 47% approval rating by the wealthy' and stand on that as evidence.
How more clear do you need this made for you? A percentage less than half supports HER argument, not yours.
Of course he can. He may not be able to be a drummer. But hopefully there is more to life than being a drummer.
Sure. Joni comes to mind right away. But in fairness to Editec, there are people such as quadriplegics or with other incapacitating medical conditions or severe mental handicaps who cannot survive without the help of others. And a moral society does care for such people.
My quarrel with Editec is he ssems to think that policy should be based on those extreme cases and include the vast majority who aren't unable to help themselves.
I see the two situations as unrelated and whatever policies are adopted, such policy should deal with each separately.
I dont doubt that's the case. But even so there are people who function independently to the best of their abilities. And then there are people who piss and moan about bad off they are.
Sure. Joni comes to mind right away. But in fairness to Editec, there are people such as quadriplegics or with other incapacitating medical conditions or severe mental handicaps who cannot survive without the help of others. And a moral society does care for such people.
My quarrel with Editec is he ssems to think that policy should be based on those extreme cases and include the vast majority who aren't unable to help themselves.
I see the two situations as unrelated and whatever policies are adopted, such policy should deal with each separately.
I dont doubt that's the case. But even so there are people who function independently to the best of their abilities. And then there are people who piss and moan about bad off they are.
Yes. My quarrel with government policy that encourages people to become dependent on government is that it teaches them to think that they can't help themselves. Or so saps them of initiative that they no longer want to try. Eventually too many just don't care anymore. The net result is apathy and inaction or lashing out in frustration and anger because they hate their situation and are no longer able to see that it is of their own making. But they keep voting for the government who makes it possible for them to be needy, artificially incapacitated, frustrated, and angry because they believe promises that it will get better when it never does. Or they fear any change in that status quo.
I used to think that this was an unintended consequence of good intentions. I am more and more becoming convinced that it is often intentional such as the fine print or unwritten intent in the healthcare legislation just passed. And I can't shake the idea that to intentionally make people dependent on government results in a kind of involuntary servitude and I can't shake the idea that such is evil.
If you're still in doubt about things just remember that a prosperous & affluent America does the Democratic Party no good. Without endless Class Warfare and Race-Baiting,they have nothing. Third World misery is actually what they need to seize permanent power. You can't have Class Warfare without it. Divide & Conquer. It's the Saul Alinsky way.
Again no facts, Obama will crush the next war mongerer the repukes send in as a sacraficial lamb. We are tired of occupying countries, we could use those trillions here.
Obviously you're still confused. Without Third World misery here in America,the Democratic Party is all done. They desperately rely on Class Warfare & Race-Baiting for their support. You can only have more Class Warfare if the country moves closer to Third World misery. The whiny loser dummies vote Democrat for obvious reasons. A prosperous & affluent America does the Democratic Party no good in the end. Without their endless Class Warfare & Race-Baiting,what do they have? Third World misery is essential for them. It's no coincidence they're taking us there so rapidly. People are catching on though. Hopefully it wont be too late.
I dont doubt that's the case. But even so there are people who function independently to the best of their abilities. And then there are people who piss and moan about bad off they are.
Yes. My quarrel with government policy that encourages people to become dependent on government is that it teaches them to think that they can't help themselves. Or so saps them of initiative that they no longer want to try. Eventually too many just don't care anymore. The net result is apathy and inaction or lashing out in frustration and anger because they hate their situation and are no longer able to see that it is of their own making. But they keep voting for the government who makes it possible for them to be needy, artificially incapacitated, frustrated, and angry because they believe promises that it will get better when it never does. Or they fear any change in that status quo.
I used to think that this was an unintended consequence of good intentions. I am more and more becoming convinced that it is often intentional such as the fine print or unwritten intent in the healthcare legislation just passed. And I can't shake the idea that to intentionally make people dependent on government results in a kind of involuntary servitude and I can't shake the idea that such is evil.
You just keep on preaching, moralizing and pontificating about OTHERS...
WHAT are your solutions? Cut people off? While you are up on your little soap box, take a good long LOOK around you. You will see that half the human beings you call dependent ARE dependents...
Yes. My quarrel with government policy that encourages people to become dependent on government is that it teaches them to think that they can't help themselves. Or so saps them of initiative that they no longer want to try. Eventually too many just don't care anymore. The net result is apathy and inaction or lashing out in frustration and anger because they hate their situation and are no longer able to see that it is of their own making. But they keep voting for the government who makes it possible for them to be needy, artificially incapacitated, frustrated, and angry because they believe promises that it will get better when it never does. Or they fear any change in that status quo.
I used to think that this was an unintended consequence of good intentions. I am more and more becoming convinced that it is often intentional such as the fine print or unwritten intent in the healthcare legislation just passed. And I can't shake the idea that to intentionally make people dependent on government results in a kind of involuntary servitude and I can't shake the idea that such is evil.
You just keep on preaching, moralizing and pontificating about OTHERS...
WHAT are your solutions? Cut people off? While you are up on your little soap box, take a good long LOOK around you. You will see that half the human beings you call dependent ARE dependents...
Step 1 is recognizing the problem. You haven't reached that step yet. When you do, we can discuss Step 2.
Sounds like Hopey Changey butt-sniffers are skerd of Palin. I really don't think she could do any worse than the corrupt & incompetent "Community Organizer" in there now. This guy was definitely way way over-rated by the corrupt MSM. Looks like Palin has the Hopey Changey butt-sniffers on the run. You go girl!
Foxfyre said:Kids should grow up seeing their parents get up, get dressed, get breakfast, get the kids off to school and at least one going to work and bringing home earned cash to support the family. They should see that as the norm and not mom and/or pop receiving a government check and sitting around muttering about how bad things are.
July 16, 2009
President Obama delivered a fiery sermon to black America on Thursday night, warning black parents that they must accept their own responsibilities by putting away the Xbox and putting our kids to bed at a reasonable hour, and telling black children that growing up poor is no reason to get bad grades.
No one has written your destiny for you, he said, directing his remarks to all the other Barack Obamas out there who might one day grow up to be president. Your destiny is in your hands, and dont you forget that. Thats what we have to teach all of our children! No excuses! No excuses!
Sure. Joni comes to mind right away. But in fairness to Editec, there are people such as quadriplegics or with other incapacitating medical conditions or severe mental handicaps who cannot survive without the help of others. And a moral society does care for such people.
My quarrel with Editec is he ssems to think that policy should be based on those extreme cases and include the vast majority who aren't unable to help themselves.
I see the two situations as unrelated and whatever policies are adopted, such policy should deal with each separately.
I dont doubt that's the case. But even so there are people who function independently to the best of their abilities. And then there are people who piss and moan about bad off they are.
Yes. My quarrel with government policy that encourages people to become dependent on government is that it teaches them to think that they can't help themselves. Or so saps them of initiative that they no longer want to try. Eventually too many just don't care anymore. The net result is apathy and inaction or lashing out in frustration and anger because they hate their situation and are no longer able to see that it is of their own making. But they keep voting for the government who makes it possible for them to be needy, artificially incapacitated, frustrated, and angry because they believe promises that it will get better when it never does. Or they fear any change in that status quo.
I used to think that this was an unintended consequence of good intentions. I am more and more becoming convinced that it is often intentional such as the fine print or unwritten intent in the healthcare legislation just passed. And I can't shake the idea that to intentionally make people dependent on government results in a kind of involuntary servitude and I can't shake the idea that such is evil.
You just keep on preaching, moralizing and pontificating about OTHERS...
WHAT are your solutions? Cut people off? While you are up on your little soap box, take a good long LOOK around you. You will see that half the human beings you call dependent ARE dependents...
Step 1 is recognizing the problem. You haven't reached that step yet. When you do, we can discuss Step 2.
Hey Rabid, fuck you. As USUAL, you right wing pea brains just like to push down others. It's what drowning victims do...
Step 1 is recognizing the problem. You haven't reached that step yet. When you do, we can discuss Step 2.
Hey Rabid, fuck you. As USUAL, you right wing pea brains just like to push down others. It's what drowning victims do...
Nothing to add here, eh? All out of talking points so you go for the obscenities. What a maroon.
Hey Rabid, fuck you. As USUAL, you right wing pea brains just like to push down others. It's what drowning victims do...
Nothing to add here, eh? All out of talking points so you go for the obscenities. What a maroon.
I will bet you don't even have the ability to comprehend my statement to Foxfyre.
Sometimes the only answer to 'what would you do?' is simply stop.
Stop pontificating.
Stop passing bills that nobody has read.
Stop irresponsible spending most especially trying to spend ourselves rich.
Stop pushing government programs on people who don't want them.
Stop pushing an agenda that scares people to death.
Stop looking for government programs or initiatives or mandates as the solution for all human problems.
Stop trying to fix something by throwing stuff at the walls hoping something will stick.
Stop growing the size, scope, and power of government by taking more and more of the people's freedoms and resources.
Just stop until the dust settles and we can assess what government has to do and what it doesn't have to do.
To ask what we would replace all that with makes about as much sense as what do you replace it with when you put out a fire?
Sometimes the only answer to 'what would you do?' is simply stop.
Stop pontificating.
Stop passing bills that nobody has read.
Stop irresponsible spending most especially trying to spend ourselves rich.
Stop pushing government programs on people who don't want them.
Stop pushing an agenda that scares people to death.
Stop looking for government programs or initiatives or mandates as the solution for all human problems.
Stop trying to fix something by throwing stuff at the walls hoping something will stick.
Stop growing the size, scope, and power of government by taking more and more of the people's freedoms and resources.
Just stop until the dust settles and we can assess what government has to do and what it doesn't have to do.
To ask what we would replace all that with makes about as much sense as what do you replace it with when you put out a fire?
