I'm for gutting the whole government system

In my world...invention and small business.. true conservatism is not whining about being taxed on making a fortune...it is managing the "business model" successfully so it can make a fortune. We are long on after the fact crybabies and short on competent managers preventing disaster. And being from a farm...a good farm or ranch owner doesn't spend all his energy crying about who left the barn door open and just let the horses and cattle run free after they escape. First of all he makes sure his fucking barn door is closed but when a storm accidentally blows it open he gets busy and does his best to recover his livestock and his neighbors help..without whining about it.

So a "true conservative" is someone who doesn't object to socialism?

ROFL!

Liberal Dictionary
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True conservative - socialist.

Hell? They don't know where they are from day to day...much less understand anything of substance...being a Statist is easy...Conservatism requires principles and thought...Schmuggy demonstrates neither most times...he remains clueless, and a tool of his own design. :lol:
 
In my world...invention and small business.. true conservatism is not whining about being taxed on making a fortune...it is managing the "business model" successfully so it can make a fortune. We are long on after the fact crybabies and short on competent managers preventing disaster. And being from a farm...a good farm or ranch owner doesn't spend all his energy crying about who left the barn door open and just let the horses and cattle run free after they escape. First of all he makes sure his fucking barn door is closed but when a storm accidentally blows it open he gets busy and does his best to recover his livestock and his neighbors help..without whining about it.

So a "true conservative" is someone who doesn't object to socialism?

ROFL!

Liberal Dictionary
======================
True conservative - socialist.

Hell? They don't know where they are from day to day...much less understand anything of substance...being a Statist is easy...Conservatism requires principles and thought...Schmuggy demonstrates neither most times...he remains clueless, and a tool of his own design. :lol:

There isn't a tool been invented that can fix your stupidity.
 
And replace it with what?

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Couldn't resist it could you deany?

Don't you get tired of Republicans screaming for tearing down the government but not having a single idea what to replace it with? Do they really want us to be Afghanistan?

It would be silly to get tired of something that doesn't happen.

YOU making shit up still offers no useful rebuttal to the arguments you dislike, you brain dead dishonest little turd.

Conservatives and most Republicans most certainly do NOT scream for tearing down the government, you dishonest butt rash.

Many of us DO call for dismantling those governmental institutions that are improperly created in the first place and whose continued existence is also invalid. Helpful hint for dishonest brain dead turds like you: that is not tearing down government, you imbecile.

And the current practices of our government which we seek to dismantle can READILY be replaced -- which we call for, you lying jackass -- by the simple expedient of instituting properly and Constitutionally AUTHORIZED institutions in the place of the ones which get scuttled, if there is any reason for such an institution in the first damn place.

Don't you ever get tired of being such a transparent liar?
 
Couldn't resist it could you deany?

Don't you get tired of Republicans screaming for tearing down the government but not having a single idea what to replace it with? Do they really want us to be Afghanistan?

It would be silly to get tired of something that doesn't happen.

YOU making shit up still offers no useful rebuttal to the arguments you dislike, you brain dead dishonest little turd.

Conservatives and most Republicans most certainly do NOT scream for tearing down the government, you dishonest butt rash.

Many of us DO call for dismantling those governmental institutions that are improperly created in the first place and whose continued existence is also invalid. Helpful hint for dishonest brain dead turds like you: that is not tearing down government, you imbecile.

And the current practices of our government which we seek to dismantle can READILY be replaced -- which we call for, you lying jackass -- by the simple expedient of instituting properly and Constitutionally AUTHORIZED institutions in the place of the ones which get scuttled, if there is any reason for such an institution in the first damn place.

Don't you ever get tired of being such a transparent liar?

Deany doesn't care...he (I think), enjoys being the dullest tool in the toolbox for his handlers. (As if his moronic posts aren't enough to convince the most casual observer with 1/2 a brain)?
 
With the extention of the patriot act we can see our government is broken. Even the majority of TEA party members sent to D.C. voted for extending the patriot act. Voting no longer works, so when voting no longer works whats the next step to take?

44 'Tea Party Caucus' Members voted to renew Patriot Act - Los Angeles LA County Libertarian | Examiner.com

The USA PATRIOT Act is a sound and basically reasonable measure. Like lots of other things, it has a significant potential to be misused and abused. Therefore, it must get closely scrutinized by appropriate Congressional oversight and COURT oversight.

I supported the original USA PATRIOT Act and I support the extensions.

Voting worked just fine.
How many times have we had something that was a sound idea and later turned out to be most opressive?
 
When you live under a system that was devised prior to street lights; is anybody surprised that we have problems? I'm not for gutting the government...its the best in the world (believe it or not). I am for updating the God Damn constitution to embrace the bedrock realities we face today.

It only works when persons of good faith serve. The parties have corrupted the process to the point of no return I'm afraid.

They run the elections; they appoint the electors who ultimately vote for President and Vice President; they actually negotiate the rules of debates at least at the Presidential level whereas the League of Women Voters once held that sacred of all electoral traditions, and they generally work to eliminate all moderates from the process.

No mention is made in the Constitution about political parties so they are not doing anything unconstitutional; they are, however, often times not acting in the best interest of the American people as a whole or the citizens of their States or Districts in the micro.

Take redistricting for example. Congressional districts are drawn to protect seats for whoever is doing the drawing. A constitutional order could change this to prevent such "gerrymandering". It should be a lottery of zip codes held every 6 years in my view (or at least 10 years as it is done now). Geographical restrictions should be damned. Currently Trent Franks represents part of suburban Phoenix...he also represents the Grand Canyon/Lake Mead area. Currently they don't give a damn about geography....what would it hurt? This should be job #1 of anybody who actually wants to fix the system instead of just bitching about it. Eventually a Dem will get a heavily Red zip code. He or she may get voted out. But maybe he or she will have to listen to a different voice from time to time...maybe they will change a few minds themselves. It's called leadership. It's called holding your elected officials feet to the fire. The best case is an informed citizenry.

Part of the problem is this idiotically stupid gerrymandering.

he he he...the current system or mine? LOL.

Yours is infinitely better.

The current system is social engineering that isn't healthy for a democracy.
 
Republicans dont like Democracy.

First of all i want to commend everyone in this thread, great discussion before rdean came in. Great topic.

As for the post quoted, this topic is so much bigger than parties tms and you are devaluing it with your constant stupidity. Please refrain from posting again.
 
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Part of the problem is this idiotically stupid gerrymandering.

he he he...the current system or mine? LOL.

Yours is infinitely better.

The current system is social engineering that isn't healthy for a democracy.

Good...

I think it is the root of the problem...politicians who don't have to listen to their constituents by and large and that is combined with the constituents who no longer bother ever calling their congressional representative because they are forever outnumbered in their district by either the red or the blue population.

The zip code solution of representation may not be best but something has to be changed to get rid of the gerrymandering which is the ultimate source of party power consolidation.
 
Republicans dont like Democracy.

What is a Democracy? 51 percent of the population infrnes on the rights of 49 percent.

Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for lunch. Ben Frankiln

Democracy is just and only the right to participate fairly.

Then there should be no gay marriages allowed nor should any other religion other than the Christian religion be allowed in America.
 
What is a Democracy? 51 percent of the population infrnes on the rights of 49 percent.

Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for lunch. Ben Frankiln

Democracy is just and only the right to participate fairly.

Then there should be no gay marriages allowed nor should any other religion other than the Christian religion be allowed in America.

You really shouldn't try to respond to posts when you are in the middle of an electro-shock therapy session. :lol:
 
I think you better read the post right before yours

Yes i see it, you went trolling, and you caught one. Nice job devaluing the topic. Idiot.


I have had to supply the definition of the word democracy to many cons over the years who insist The US is not a democracy.

Some propaganda idiot in the rights leadership is telling these people we are not a democracy and they have been repeting this stupidity for years now.


Take a look at how many refuse the court documents that prove the republican party has worked for decades to subvert democracy in this country.


The right leadership hates democracy and that is proven by their actions.
 
Democracy is just and only the right to participate fairly.

Then there should be no gay marriages allowed nor should any other religion other than the Christian religion be allowed in America.

You really shouldn't try to respond to posts when you are in the middle of an electro-shock therapy session. :lol:

So a Democracy is only good for limited issues? The majority of Americans do not support gay marriages. And the Majority of Americans view America as a Christian nation.
 
I think you better read the post right before yours

Yes i see it, you went trolling, and you caught one. Nice job devaluing the topic. Idiot.


I have had to supply the definition of the word democracy to many cons over the years who insist The US is not a democracy.

Some propaganda idiot in the rights leadership is telling these people we are not a democracy and they have been repeting this stupidity for years now.


Take a look at how many refuse the court documents that prove the republican party has worked for decades to subvert democracy in this country.


The right leadership hates democracy and that is proven by their actions.

Then there should be no gay marriages allowed nor should any other religion other than the Christian religion be allowed in America.
Sine the majority of Americans do not support gay marriaes and the majority of Americans view America as a Christian nation.
 

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