If Obamacare is not repealed, is it Trump's fault?

[miketx]

My guess is that if this Obamacare repeal fails, Trump will slip back to one of his many positions on Obamacare,

specifically the one where he claims that doing nothing and letting Obama implode is a good idea.

If congress wont act, let die a horrible death.

 

[sakinago]

What is clear to me and not so much to communists like you and that the government has NO BUSINESS pedaling heath care!

Of course they do......It is in the Constitution
Provide for the general welfare
Nothing is in our general welfare more than our health

Then why didn't they do it? Why isn't it in the bill of rights? If healthcare was an inherent right to be provided by the government, why wasn't it in the bill of rights. You can't twist phrases like that while completely disregarding everything else that was said and done.

Because they knew enough not to dictate what future generations were allowed to do

No they dictated specifically what the GOVERNMENT was not allowed to do. The governments enumerated powers were made clear, especially the federal governments. And the states and local powers were made clear, and if anything it was left up to states and localities. Not the fed.

They were wise enough to let future governments decide what services they would provide

They established a government structure that was best able to meet the needs of We the People

No they were wise enough to strictly restrain government, especially the fed, becuase they know government gets power hungry, complacent. And yes it is WE THE PEOPLE, not we the government want to control an entire 7th of the economy, and turn it into 63% of the working force like in England. That's why it's not we the government officials. The entire constitution is based on severely limited government. Just because a certain population wants to turn over control to it, doesn't make it constitutional. There you go again taking tidbits and turning it into what you want.

 

[danielpalos]

If you want Obamacare repealed, and your rep did not vote to repeal it, you have to vote your rep out of office.

That's how this shit works.

I am still livid that the racist Colorado Democrats did not vote for Daryl Glen for Senate just because he is black.

The ballot is where we make America Great again.

Vote those corrupt Washington lifers out of government.

He is partially to blame, he has pushed non-repeal bills that are Obamacare tweaking bills after campaigning to repeal Obamacare. I'm glad the reps who chose to oppose it did. The reps who pushed for those tweak bills were the same who voted 60 times to actually REPEAL Obamacare, but as soon as trump was in, they no longer wanted too, why? And trump sided with those guys who want to leave it in place and just tweak it a little...so yes some of the blame falls on him, some of the blame falls on the Paul Ryan's of Congress who want to leave Obamacare in place. Those are the people not listening to constituents, and the people pushing for the ACA tweaks are trump sycophants, who believe he can do no wrong... Again why did they vote for a straight up repeal of ACA 60 times before, but don't want to do it now, just want to tweak it? They were pay lip service to their constituents when they knew it wouldn't pass. Now they have the power to pass and they're choosing not too, but still trying to convince us it is a "repeal" when it clearly isn't...what happened to trump wanting to open up the heath insurance markets? He's not a believer in the free market, he is a believer in single payer system, like he stated many times, before and after he was elected.

What you posted makes it clear

Republicans do not give a damn about Americans having an effective healthcare system

Their objective is to repeal Obamacare because the Democrats passed it

And a black guy was in office. A woman could not make it happen without the oval office, last millennium.

 

[danielpalos]

Trump had no ready plan after all his talk, republicans seemingly cannot come up with anything better and you people seem bent on them passing anything as long as it hurts the maximum number of working people. In short it is the failure of American conservatism as a viable political ideology.

Here's a better plan, that won't cost us $1.4 trillion & gets the free market involved, lowers costs dramatically & gets rid of Obamacare. It's as simple as auto or life insurance, neither of which are ever mentioned.

https://www.paul.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/ObamacareReplacementActSections.pdf

A little late, now, isn't it?

 

[danielpalos]

If you want Obamacare repealed, and your rep did not vote to repeal it, you have to vote your rep out of office.

That's how this shit works.

I am still livid that the racist Colorado Democrats did not vote for Daryl Glen for Senate just because he is black.

The ballot is where we make America Great again.

Vote those corrupt Washington lifers out of government.

He is partially to blame, he has pushed non-repeal bills that are Obamacare tweaking bills after campaigning to repeal Obamacare. I'm glad the reps who chose to oppose it did. The reps who pushed for those tweak bills were the same who voted 60 times to actually REPEAL Obamacare, but as soon as trump was in, they no longer wanted too, why? And trump sided with those guys who want to leave it in place and just tweak it a little...so yes some of the blame falls on him, some of the blame falls on the Paul Ryan's of Congress who want to leave Obamacare in place. Those are the people not listening to constituents, and the people pushing for the ACA tweaks are trump sycophants, who believe he can do no wrong... Again why did they vote for a straight up repeal of ACA 60 times before, but don't want to do it now, just want to tweak it? They were pay lip service to their constituents when they knew it wouldn't pass. Now they have the power to pass and they're choosing not too, but still trying to convince us it is a "repeal" when it clearly isn't...what happened to trump wanting to open up the heath insurance markets? He's not a believer in the free market, he is a believer in single payer system, like he stated many times, before and after he was elected.

What you posted makes it clear

Republicans do not give a damn about Americans having an effective healthcare system

Their objective is to repeal Obamacare because the Democrats passed it

What is clear to me and not so much to communists like you and that the government has NO BUSINESS pedaling heath care!

Only the clueless and the Causeless, say that. Military healthcare is one example.

 

[KGB]

If you want Obamacare repealed, and your rep did not vote to repeal it, you have to vote your rep out of office.

That's how this shit works.

I am still livid that the racist Colorado Democrats did not vote for Daryl Glen for Senate just because he is black.

The ballot is where we make America Great again.

Vote those corrupt Washington lifers out of government.

He is partially to blame, he has pushed non-repeal bills that are Obamacare tweaking bills after campaigning to repeal Obamacare. I'm glad the reps who chose to oppose it did. The reps who pushed for those tweak bills were the same who voted 60 times to actually REPEAL Obamacare, but as soon as trump was in, they no longer wanted too, why? And trump sided with those guys who want to leave it in place and just tweak it a little...so yes some of the blame falls on him, some of the blame falls on the Paul Ryan's of Congress who want to leave Obamacare in place. Those are the people not listening to constituents, and the people pushing for the ACA tweaks are trump sycophants, who believe he can do no wrong... Again why did they vote for a straight up repeal of ACA 60 times before, but don't want to do it now, just want to tweak it? They were pay lip service to their constituents when they knew it wouldn't pass. Now they have the power to pass and they're choosing not too, but still trying to convince us it is a "repeal" when it clearly isn't...what happened to trump wanting to open up the heath insurance markets? He's not a believer in the free market, he is a believer in single payer system, like he stated many times, before and after he was elected.

What you posted makes it clear

Republicans do not give a damn about Americans having an effective healthcare system

Their objective is to repeal Obamacare because the Democrats passed it

What is clear to me and not so much to communists like you and that the government has NO BUSINESS pedaling heath care!

Of course they do......It is in the Constitution
Provide for the general welfare
Nothing is in our general welfare more than our health

Fallacy. Read the 10th Amendment.
The federal govt has never been given this power. It must come from the states.

General Welfare

 

[KGB]

Trump had no ready plan after all his talk, republicans seemingly cannot come up with anything better and you people seem bent on them passing anything as long as it hurts the maximum number of working people. In short it is the failure of American conservatism as a viable political ideology.

Here's a better plan, that won't cost us $1.4 trillion & gets the free market involved, lowers costs dramatically & gets rid of Obamacare. It's as simple as auto or life insurance, neither of which are ever mentioned.

https://www.paul.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/ObamacareReplacementActSections.pdf

A little late, now, isn't it?

No it isn't too late. This should've been plan 1

 

[ColonelAngus]

If the ACA is so amazing, why did Dems have to lie about it to get it passed?

This guy, who helped write the bill, straight up admits they lied about it.

 

[danielpalos]

If you want Obamacare repealed, and your rep did not vote to repeal it, you have to vote your rep out of office.

That's how this shit works.

I am still livid that the racist Colorado Democrats did not vote for Daryl Glen for Senate just because he is black.

The ballot is where we make America Great again.

Vote those corrupt Washington lifers out of government.

He is partially to blame, he has pushed non-repeal bills that are Obamacare tweaking bills after campaigning to repeal Obamacare. I'm glad the reps who chose to oppose it did. The reps who pushed for those tweak bills were the same who voted 60 times to actually REPEAL Obamacare, but as soon as trump was in, they no longer wanted too, why? And trump sided with those guys who want to leave it in place and just tweak it a little...so yes some of the blame falls on him, some of the blame falls on the Paul Ryan's of Congress who want to leave Obamacare in place. Those are the people not listening to constituents, and the people pushing for the ACA tweaks are trump sycophants, who believe he can do no wrong... Again why did they vote for a straight up repeal of ACA 60 times before, but don't want to do it now, just want to tweak it? They were pay lip service to their constituents when they knew it wouldn't pass. Now they have the power to pass and they're choosing not too, but still trying to convince us it is a "repeal" when it clearly isn't...what happened to trump wanting to open up the heath insurance markets? He's not a believer in the free market, he is a believer in single payer system, like he stated many times, before and after he was elected.

What you posted makes it clear

Republicans do not give a damn about Americans having an effective healthcare system

Their objective is to repeal Obamacare because the Democrats passed it

What is clear to me and not so much to communists like you and that the government has NO BUSINESS pedaling heath care!

Of course they do......It is in the Constitution
Provide for the general welfare
Nothing is in our general welfare more than our health

Fallacy. Read the 10th Amendment.
The federal govt has never been given this power. It must come from the states.

General Welfare

The concern of the government for the health, peace, morality, and safety of its citizens.

 

[danielpalos]

Trump had no ready plan after all his talk, republicans seemingly cannot come up with anything better and you people seem bent on them passing anything as long as it hurts the maximum number of working people. In short it is the failure of American conservatism as a viable political ideology.

Here's a better plan, that won't cost us $1.4 trillion & gets the free market involved, lowers costs dramatically & gets rid of Obamacare. It's as simple as auto or life insurance, neither of which are ever mentioned.

https://www.paul.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/ObamacareReplacementActSections.pdf

A little late, now, isn't it?

No it isn't too late. This should've been plan 1

That is what I mean. Nothing but repeal really was worth-less, in the non-porn sector.

 

[miketx]

If you want Obamacare repealed, and your rep did not vote to repeal it, you have to vote your rep out of office.

That's how this shit works.

I am still livid that the racist Colorado Democrats did not vote for Daryl Glen for Senate just because he is black.

The ballot is where we make America Great again.

Vote those corrupt Washington lifers out of government.

He is partially to blame, he has pushed non-repeal bills that are Obamacare tweaking bills after campaigning to repeal Obamacare. I'm glad the reps who chose to oppose it did. The reps who pushed for those tweak bills were the same who voted 60 times to actually REPEAL Obamacare, but as soon as trump was in, they no longer wanted too, why? And trump sided with those guys who want to leave it in place and just tweak it a little...so yes some of the blame falls on him, some of the blame falls on the Paul Ryan's of Congress who want to leave Obamacare in place. Those are the people not listening to constituents, and the people pushing for the ACA tweaks are trump sycophants, who believe he can do no wrong... Again why did they vote for a straight up repeal of ACA 60 times before, but don't want to do it now, just want to tweak it? They were pay lip service to their constituents when they knew it wouldn't pass. Now they have the power to pass and they're choosing not too, but still trying to convince us it is a "repeal" when it clearly isn't...what happened to trump wanting to open up the heath insurance markets? He's not a believer in the free market, he is a believer in single payer system, like he stated many times, before and after he was elected.

What you posted makes it clear

Republicans do not give a damn about Americans having an effective healthcare system

Their objective is to repeal Obamacare because the Democrats passed it

What is clear to me and not so much to communists like you and that the government has NO BUSINESS pedaling heath care!

Only the clueless and the Causeless, say that. Military healthcare is one example.

Calls me clueless and then says the military is the government.

 

[ColonelAngus]

The VA is a fucking train wreck.

They overprescribe opioids rather than actually helping veterans.

Obama said he would do something...he did nothing.

Anyone who wants the government to run all healthcare is out of their fucking minds.

Research the quality of care at the VA. That is socialized medicine.

 

[ColonelAngus]

VA administration should be charged with crimes for falsifying wait times for veterans to get healthcare.

The last fucking thing we need in America is the government running all of the healthcare in the nation.

Take a serious look at the VA. That is what socialized medicine will be like in America.

 

[rightwinger]

My guess is that if this Obamacare repeal fails, Trump will slip back to one of his many positions on Obamacare,

specifically the one where he claims that doing nothing and letting Obama implode is a good idea.

If congress wont act, let die a horrible death.

Let the American people die horrible deaths?

 

[rightwinger]

The VA is a fucking train wreck.

They overprescribe opioids rather than actually helping veterans.

Obama said he would do something...he did nothing.

Anyone who wants the government to run all healthcare is out of their fucking minds.

Research the quality of care at the VA. That is socialized medicine.

Vets like it

 

[OnePercenter]

If we are stuck with the mess that Obamacare has become is it Hussein's fault?

No, it's the mess that healthcare insurance and provider monopoly caused by Ronald Reagan.

Reagan voted for obiecare?

Try to keep up idiot. Reagan deregulated the HMO act which caused the high premiums and high medical costs.

 

[OnePercenter]

If I smash up my car, it's my fault.
If my insurance company promises me over and over that they can fix it, and make it as good as new, and then they fail to even try to fix it, it's the insurance companies fault.

But you're still left with a broken car.

 

[OnePercenter]

If we are stuck with the mess that Obamacare has become is it Hussein's fault?

No, it's the mess that healthcare insurance and provider monopoly caused by Ronald Reagan.

If Reagan caused the problem, Obama did what, turn it into a cluster f--k.

It's been a cluster fuck since the mid-eighty's. Look at your premium notices from then until now.

 

[OnePercenter]

The Republicans were incapable of crafting a suitable replacement for Obamacare

They barely made an effort

There isn't any way to fix the medical insurance monopoly in the US other than private, non-profit, single payer.

 

[OnePercenter]

The Republicans were incapable of crafting a suitable replacement for Obamacare

They barely made an effort

They ran on repealing Obamacare for the last 7 years, if they succeeded, they would have nothing to run on for the next 7 years.

How about livable wages for American workers? Republicans used to be pro-Union, what happened?