If I Were Catholic.....

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    no, that is reserved for the innocent, christianities most cherished past time ... especially as proven to children.
     
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    Note that I did not advise them to leave their faith. I said *I* would not remain if it were me, but if I were convinced Catholicism were the way to go, I would not give a single red cent to the organization until they had cleaned up the corruption at the top. I am urging Catholics to stop all giving until that's done, NOT advising them to leave the faith they're convinced is right.
     
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    A few things to note here:

    1. The Grand Jury concluded that the Pennsylvania Diocese had changed their ways thirty years ago. They were trying to shine a light on the question of whether to extend the Statute of Limitations.

    2. Are you under the impression that the money I give to the Catholic Church in my parish goes to Pennsylvania or even the Vatican? It does not. The donations in each parish stay within that parish and/or within the Dioceses. Exception: We do have a collection for the poor of the world, "Peter's Pence." Are you suggesting Catholics withhold funds for the poor now to punish a few clergy for acts that took place decades ago?

    3. Shall we ignore the policy and procedural changes Catholic clergy and laity have implemented during the past thirty years--the work of the 98%--to get back at the 2%?
     
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    Well, since no one really knows how the Vatican is funded, I would guess a little bit of that money for Peter's Pence probably goes there. But I'm glad that the majority goes to your parish.

    Personally I'm not a fan of top-heavy organizations. Not in government; not in churches. YMMV
     
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    You do realize that all Catholic parishes are autonomous? About 92 cents of every dollar stays within the parish. The rest goes to the diocese of that Parish.

    I would like to make a correction about Peter's Pence. This once was only for the poor. But in the quick research I just did, I learned that today it appears most of it stays within Vatican City. Basically, other income for the Vatican comes from stocks, sales of postage stamps, admission fees to museums, sale of memorabilia, publications. Basically, if it is the Vatican you wish to punish, you should advocate no one making a pilgrimage to Vatican City. However, keep in mind that the Vatican has extremely little to do with the running of parishes in the United States. Each parish runs itself. Problems within the parish would then go to the Diocese or Bishop. After that it goes to the Archdiocese and the Archbishop. After that is the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops. Local problems do not go to the Vatican. They are resolved here.
     
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    Um, not really autonomous. Part of a very large denomination, I would say. With a great deal of oversight.

    And yes, the research I did too said Peter's Pence money goes to the Vatican. Hmmm
     
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    AMEN
    (The only part of a prayer that everyone knows.)

     
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    In Germany the situation between Catholics and Protestants is nearly the same. The most astonishing fact here: Married men are the biggest danger. And most astonishing: Some of them have children on their own. Nearly unbelievable too. I remember a psychiatrist who said in Germany a married man is 36 times more dangerous than a priest of the catholic church. It are by the way here people of the extremely left political spectrum who had propagated in former times free sex between children and adults who are now the worst attackers of the Catholic church. In 1985 for example members of the political party "Die Grünen" (after they were overtaken from socialists) made a railroad to a bill which propagated a human right of children to have the human right to have sex with adults. No joke! "Die Grünen" never tried to realize this - but it was made.

    Nevertheless it also had happend real cases of child abuse in Germany by priests of the holy Catholic church. A terrible disaster and a totally intolerable situation for all Catholics. No one should be shy to speak about the terrible things which really had happened. But I have also to say that I personally do not believe everything in this context. It's still not easy to find the line between delusion, illusion and truth - specially after decades and when people are not able to defend themselves any longer because they are dead. But: This means not that not everyone should tell the truth, even after decades. It needs often a very very long time to be ready to speak about such problems.

     
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    Autonomous in the way that each parish runs itself according to the cultures and needs of that community. If by part of a "very large denomination" you mean each is a part of the Body of Christ, absolutely. We agree on major doctrines and do all we can to honor Christ's prayer that we would remain one as he and the Father are one. The Body of Christ is very large--and consists of both the living and those who have passed on. It is much more than a "denomination".
     
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