If I Were Catholic.....

SweetSue92

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First, if I were Catholic with all this sex abuse and cover up going on, I probably wouldn't remain a Catholic to be honest. But if I were convinced to my soul that Catholicism were the way to go (for whatever reason), I would not give one thin dime to the organization until it had convinced me it had cleaned up its act.

Not one thin dime, Catholics. Being an advocate for children of many years' duration, I urge you to STOP ALL GIVING until they have cleaned up this massive stench of corruption.
 
First, if I were Catholic with all this sex abuse and cover up going on, I probably wouldn't remain a Catholic to be honest. But if I were convinced to my soul that Catholicism were the way to go (for whatever reason), I would not give one thin dime to the organization until it had convinced me it had cleaned up its act.

Not one thin dime, Catholics. Being an advocate for children of many years' duration, I urge you to STOP ALL GIVING until they have cleaned up this massive stench of corruption.

This report has been rehashed, I am a RC and I will remain. How about all the scout leaders and their pedophilia, how about Moore, how about all the Protestants. I come from a long line of RC and a large family and married into a large RC family, never has anyone been sexually molested, and I have known a lot of altar boys.

and here's another How about the Hasidic in NY. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why doesn't the jewish DA write an article about the Hasidic Jews in NY. It about time they pay.

I also think the non denominations like the Evans and fundies have a lot of pedophilia preachers.
 
First, if I were Catholic with all this sex abuse and cover up going on, I probably wouldn't remain a Catholic to be honest. But if I were convinced to my soul that Catholicism were the way to go (for whatever reason), I would not give one thin dime to the organization until it had convinced me it had cleaned up its act.

Not one thin dime, Catholics. Being an advocate for children of many years' duration, I urge you to STOP ALL GIVING until they have cleaned up this massive stench of corruption.

This report has been rehashed, I am a RC and I will remain. How about all the scout leaders and their pedophilia, how about Moore, how about all the Protestants. I come from a long line of RC and a large family and married into a large RC family, never has anyone been sexually molested, and I have known a lot of altar boys.

and here's another How about the Hasidic in NY. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why doesn't the jewish DA write an article about the Hasidic Jews in NY. It about time they pay.

I also think the non denominations like the Evans and fundies have a lot of pedophilia preachers.

Deflection, deflection, deflection. NONE of those incidents you mention have been as ongoing, as pervasive, or as covered-up as the Catholic sex scandals. I mean seriously?

Are you still giving money to this scandalous organization?
 
First, if I were Catholic with all this sex abuse and cover up going on, I probably wouldn't remain a Catholic to be honest. But if I were convinced to my soul that Catholicism were the way to go (for whatever reason), I would not give one thin dime to the organization until it had convinced me it had cleaned up its act.

Not one thin dime, Catholics. Being an advocate for children of many years' duration, I urge you to STOP ALL GIVING until they have cleaned up this massive stench of corruption.

This report has been rehashed, I am a RC and I will remain. How about all the scout leaders and their pedophilia, how about Moore, how about all the Protestants. I come from a long line of RC and a large family and married into a large RC family, never has anyone been sexually molested, and I have known a lot of altar boys.

and here's another How about the Hasidic in NY. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why doesn't the jewish DA write an article about the Hasidic Jews in NY. It about time they pay.

I also think the non denominations like the Evans and fundies have a lot of pedophilia preachers.

Deflection, deflection, deflection. NONE of those incidents you mention have been as ongoing, as pervasive, or as covered-up as the Catholic sex scandals. I mean seriously?

Are you still giving money to this scandalous organization?

They go back to the 40's and I suspect most are fake. I'm not deflecting, I want the Hasidic to get whats coming to them. they still do the sucking circumcision.

I want all the protestants to get caught, all the scout masters, and talk about Jim Jordan, he knew what was going on , he needs to be questioned under oath.
 
First, if I were Catholic with all this sex abuse and cover up going on, I probably wouldn't remain a Catholic to be honest. But if I were convinced to my soul that Catholicism were the way to go (for whatever reason), I would not give one thin dime to the organization until it had convinced me it had cleaned up its act.

Not one thin dime, Catholics. Being an advocate for children of many years' duration, I urge you to STOP ALL GIVING until they have cleaned up this massive stench of corruption.
I'm not giving up my faith because a small group of men handled this scandal abominably. The Church is run by people. People sometimes make mistakes. It will be cleaned up. The Church that Jesus Christ founded offers me too many ways to praise God, gain a deeper understanding of Him, and in turn try to do His will. I won't let anyone take that away from me.
 
First, if I were Catholic with all this sex abuse and cover up going on, I probably wouldn't remain a Catholic to be honest. But if I were convinced to my soul that Catholicism were the way to go (for whatever reason), I would not give one thin dime to the organization until it had convinced me it had cleaned up its act.

Not one thin dime, Catholics. Being an advocate for children of many years' duration, I urge you to STOP ALL GIVING until they have cleaned up this massive stench of corruption.

This report has been rehashed, I am a RC and I will remain. How about all the scout leaders and their pedophilia, how about Moore, how about all the Protestants. I come from a long line of RC and a large family and married into a large RC family, never has anyone been sexually molested, and I have known a lot of altar boys.

and here's another How about the Hasidic in NY. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why doesn't the jewish DA write an article about the Hasidic Jews in NY. It about time they pay.

I also think the non denominations like the Evans and fundies have a lot of pedophilia preachers.

Deflection, deflection, deflection. NONE of those incidents you mention have been as ongoing, as pervasive, or as covered-up as the Catholic sex scandals. I mean seriously?

Are you still giving money to this scandalous organization?

They go back to the 40's and I suspect most are fake. I'm not deflecting, I want the Hasidic to get whats coming to them. they still do the sucking circumcision.

I want all the protestants to get caught, all the scout masters, and talk about Jim Jordan, he knew what was going on , he needs to be questioned under oath.

Okay frankly, this is appalling. To be honest. If this were my denomination, I'd be so disgusted and hopping mad I'd do no pointing of fingers to ANYONE else's denomination at this point. Except say, you're right, you're right, you're right--and here are the steps we are going to take to get to the bottom of it. Right now, today, before we give another dime.

But from Catholics what we mostly get are deflection and blame-shifting, which is just reprehensible.
 
First, if I were Catholic with all this sex abuse and cover up going on, I probably wouldn't remain a Catholic to be honest. But if I were convinced to my soul that Catholicism were the way to go (for whatever reason), I would not give one thin dime to the organization until it had convinced me it had cleaned up its act.

Not one thin dime, Catholics. Being an advocate for children of many years' duration, I urge you to STOP ALL GIVING until they have cleaned up this massive stench of corruption.
I'm not giving up my faith because a small group of men handled this scandal abominably. The Church is run by people. People sometimes make mistakes. It will be cleaned up. The Church that Jesus Christ founded offers me too many ways to praise God, gain a deeper understanding of Him, and in turn try to do His will. I won't let anyone take that away from me.

Now I find that to be an honest, faith-filled response that I can respect. I can't agree with it necessarily, because I don't think Catholics own the only way to Jesus, but I had to rate it something good, so I rated it informative.

Make your leaders accountable, I hope you will! Good Catholics deserve so much better. And I know many good Catholics!
 
First, if I were Catholic with all this sex abuse and cover up going on, I probably wouldn't remain a Catholic to be honest. But if I were convinced to my soul that Catholicism were the way to go (for whatever reason), I would not give one thin dime to the organization until it had convinced me it had cleaned up its act.

Not one thin dime, Catholics. Being an advocate for children of many years' duration, I urge you to STOP ALL GIVING until they have cleaned up this massive stench of corruption.

I'm thinking the Catholic Church should have a no tolerance policy and the sooner the better..

Granted they are known for forgiveness and redemption etc.


9 Myths about Priestly Pedophilia

1. Catholic priests are more likely to be pedophiles than other groups of men.

This is just plain false. There's absolutely no evidence that priests are more likely to abuse children than are other groups of men. The use and abuse of children as objects for the sexual gratification of adults is epidemic in all classes, professions, religions, and ethnic communities across the globe, as figures on child pornography, incest, and child prostitution make abundantly clear. Pedophilia (the sexual abuse of a prepubescent child) among priests is extremely rare, affecting only 0.3% of the entire population of clergy.

I would guess that liberals have a far higher percentage... :wink_2:
 
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First, if I were Catholic with all this sex abuse and cover up going on, I probably wouldn't remain a Catholic to be honest. But if I were convinced to my soul that Catholicism were the way to go (for whatever reason), I would not give one thin dime to the organization until it had convinced me it had cleaned up its act.

Not one thin dime, Catholics. Being an advocate for children of many years' duration, I urge you to STOP ALL GIVING until they have cleaned up this massive stench of corruption.

I'm thinking the Catholic Church should have a no tolerance policy and the sooner the better..

Granted they are known for forgiveness and redemption etc.


9 Myths about Priestly Pedophilia

1. Catholic priests are more likely to be pedophiles than other groups of men.

This is just plain false. There's absolutely no evidence that priests are more likely to abuse children than are other groups of men. The use and abuse of children as objects for the sexual gratification of adults is epidemic in all classes, professions, religions, and ethnic communities across the globe, as figures on child pornography, incest, and child prostitution make abundantly clear. Pedophilia (the sexual abuse of a prepubescent child) among priests is extremely rare, affecting only 0.3% of the entire population of clergy.

Okay first, I think you're parsing a bit here by limiting the abuse to "pedophilia". Abusing 12, 13 and 14 year olds is equally heinous, don't you think? And why wouldn't you expect the priest abuse rate to be substantially LOWER than the general population, not keeping pace with it--especially after years and years and years--with cover ups??
 
First, if I were Catholic with all this sex abuse and cover up going on, I probably wouldn't remain a Catholic to be honest. But if I were convinced to my soul that Catholicism were the way to go (for whatever reason), I would not give one thin dime to the organization until it had convinced me it had cleaned up its act.

Not one thin dime, Catholics. Being an advocate for children of many years' duration, I urge you to STOP ALL GIVING until they have cleaned up this massive stench of corruption.
I'm not giving up my faith because a small group of men handled this scandal abominably. The Church is run by people. People sometimes make mistakes. It will be cleaned up. The Church that Jesus Christ founded offers me too many ways to praise God, gain a deeper understanding of Him, and in turn try to do His will. I won't let anyone take that away from me.

Now I find that to be an honest, faith-filled response that I can respect. I can't agree with it necessarily, because I don't think Catholics own the only way to Jesus, but I had to rate it something good, so I rated it informative.

Make your leaders accountable, I hope you will! Good Catholics deserve so much better. And I know many good Catholics!
Thank you. By the way, Catholics don't believe they are the only way to Jesus either- we just think it's the best way!

The lay faithful in the Catholic Church don't let their leaders off the hook. For example, many many changes have already happened at the parish level following the terrible abuse of alter boys. As for the mucky mucks higher up- things are in an upheaval now- as evidenced by the "leaking". They'll be some changes. As the saying goes, we live in interesting times.
 
First, if I were Catholic with all this sex abuse and cover up going on, I probably wouldn't remain a Catholic to be honest. But if I were convinced to my soul that Catholicism were the way to go (for whatever reason), I would not give one thin dime to the organization until it had convinced me it had cleaned up its act.

Not one thin dime, Catholics. Being an advocate for children of many years' duration, I urge you to STOP ALL GIVING until they have cleaned up this massive stench of corruption.
I'm not giving up my faith because a small group of men handled this scandal abominably. The Church is run by people. People sometimes make mistakes. It will be cleaned up. The Church that Jesus Christ founded offers me too many ways to praise God, gain a deeper understanding of Him, and in turn try to do His will. I won't let anyone take that away from me.

Now I find that to be an honest, faith-filled response that I can respect. I can't agree with it necessarily, because I don't think Catholics own the only way to Jesus, but I had to rate it something good, so I rated it informative.

Make your leaders accountable, I hope you will! Good Catholics deserve so much better. And I know many good Catholics!
Thank you. By the way, Catholics don't believe they are the only way to Jesus either- we just think it's the best way!

The lay faithful in the Catholic Church don't let their leaders off the hook. For example, many many changes have already happened at the parish level following the terrible abuse of alter boys. As for the mucky mucks higher up- things are in an upheaval now- as evidenced by the "leaking". They'll be some changes. As the saying goes, we live in interesting times.

Don't we though....
 
First, if I were Catholic with all this sex abuse and cover up going on, I probably wouldn't remain a Catholic to be honest. But if I were convinced to my soul that Catholicism were the way to go (for whatever reason), I would not give one thin dime to the organization until it had convinced me it had cleaned up its act.

Not one thin dime, Catholics. Being an advocate for children of many years' duration, I urge you to STOP ALL GIVING until they have cleaned up this massive stench of corruption.

It's a pervasive sickness in societies, picking exclusively on the Catholic Church seems a tad myopic and suspect, don't you think?

I'm thinking the Catholic Church should have a no tolerance policy and the sooner the better..

Granted they are known for forgiveness and redemption etc.


9 Myths about Priestly Pedophilia

1. Catholic priests are more likely to be pedophiles than other groups of men.

This is just plain false. There's absolutely no evidence that priests are more likely to abuse children than are other groups of men. The use and abuse of children as objects for the sexual gratification of adults is epidemic in all classes, professions, religions, and ethnic communities across the globe, as figures on child pornography, incest, and child prostitution make abundantly clear. Pedophilia (the sexual abuse of a prepubescent child) among priests is extremely rare, affecting only 0.3% of the entire population of clergy.

Okay first, I think you're parsing a bit here by limiting the abuse to "pedophilia". Abusing 12, 13 and 14 year olds is equally heinous, don't you think? And why wouldn't you expect the priest abuse rate to be substantially LOWER than the general population, not keeping pace with it--especially after years and years and years--with cover ups??

Your welcome to backup your assertions with facts, no problem from me..

If it was up to me, all pedoplilles would be dead.but hideously tortured first for all to see.
 
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First, if I were Catholic with all this sex abuse and cover up going on, I probably wouldn't remain a Catholic to be honest. But if I were convinced to my soul that Catholicism were the way to go (for whatever reason), I would not give one thin dime to the organization until it had convinced me it had cleaned up its act.

Not one thin dime, Catholics. Being an advocate for children of many years' duration, I urge you to STOP ALL GIVING until they have cleaned up this massive stench of corruption.

This report has been rehashed, I am a RC and I will remain. How about all the scout leaders and their pedophilia, how about Moore, how about all the Protestants. I come from a long line of RC and a large family and married into a large RC family, never has anyone been sexually molested, and I have known a lot of altar boys.

and here's another How about the Hasidic in NY. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why doesn't the jewish DA write an article about the Hasidic Jews in NY. It about time they pay.

I also think the non denominations like the Evans and fundies have a lot of pedophilia preachers.

Deflection, deflection, deflection. NONE of those incidents you mention have been as ongoing, as pervasive, or as covered-up as the Catholic sex scandals. I mean seriously?

Are you still giving money to this scandalous organization?

They go back to the 40's and I suspect most are fake. I'm not deflecting, I want the Hasidic to get whats coming to them. they still do the sucking circumcision.

I want all the protestants to get caught, all the scout masters, and talk about Jim Jordan, he knew what was going on , he needs to be questioned under oath.

Okay frankly, this is appalling. To be honest. If this were my denomination, I'd be so disgusted and hopping mad I'd do no pointing of fingers to ANYONE else's denomination at this point. Except say, you're right, you're right, you're right--and here are the steps we are going to take to get to the bottom of it. Right now, today, before we give another dime.

But from Catholics what we mostly get are deflection and blame-shifting, which is just reprehensible.
So what denomination are you?
 
First, if I were Catholic with all this sex abuse and cover up going on, I probably wouldn't remain a Catholic to be honest. But if I were convinced to my soul that Catholicism were the way to go (for whatever reason), I would not give one thin dime to the organization until it had convinced me it had cleaned up its act.

Not one thin dime, Catholics. Being an advocate for children of many years' duration, I urge you to STOP ALL GIVING until they have cleaned up this massive stench of corruption.

It's a pervasive sickness in societies, picking exclusively on the Catholic Church seems a tad myopic and suspect, don't you think?

I'm thinking the Catholic Church should have a no tolerance policy and the sooner the better..

Granted they are known for forgiveness and redemption etc.


9 Myths about Priestly Pedophilia

1. Catholic priests are more likely to be pedophiles than other groups of men.

This is just plain false. There's absolutely no evidence that priests are more likely to abuse children than are other groups of men. The use and abuse of children as objects for the sexual gratification of adults is epidemic in all classes, professions, religions, and ethnic communities across the globe, as figures on child pornography, incest, and child prostitution make abundantly clear. Pedophilia (the sexual abuse of a prepubescent child) among priests is extremely rare, affecting only 0.3% of the entire population of clergy.

Okay first, I think you're parsing a bit here by limiting the abuse to "pedophilia". Abusing 12, 13 and 14 year olds is equally heinous, don't you think? And why wouldn't you expect the priest abuse rate to be substantially LOWER than the general population, not keeping pace with it--especially after years and years and years--with cover ups??

Your welcome to backup your assertions with facts, no problem from me..

If it was up to me, all pedoplilles would be dead.but hideously tortured first for all to see.

It's definitely higher than the general population--the Catholic church is covering this up. It's covered here:

Are Catholic Clergy more Likely to Be Paedophiles than the General Public?
 
Why do the religious in America, who presume to love children still defend and worship Trump? Humans seeking a better life separated and still separated. Evangelicals you out there? How about healthcare? Do the religious love Trump because he is giving them a juror who also probably could care less about children? Religion is often the home of hypocrisy.

"You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do." Anne Lamott

"If the concept of God has any validity or any use, it can only be to make us larger, freer, and more loving. If God cannot do this, then it is time we got rid of Him." James Baldwin, 'The Fire Next Time'
 
Why do the religious in America, who presume to love children still defend and worship Trump? Humans seeking a better life separated and still separated. Evangelicals you out there? How about healthcare? Do the religious love Trump because he is giving them a juror who also probably could care less about children? Religion is often the home of hypocrisy.

"You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do." Anne Lamott

"If the concept of God has any validity or any use, it can only be to make us larger, freer, and more loving. If God cannot do this, then it is time we got rid of Him." James Baldwin, 'The Fire Next Time'

Hey dude, you know Jesus Christ was around LOOOONG before Trump, right?

We're talking about weighty things here, not YOUR Raison d'Etre. Do try to keep up. And stay away from paper cups with suspicious looking fruity drinks in them.....mmmkay?
 
First, if I were Catholic with all this sex abuse and cover up going on, I probably wouldn't remain a Catholic to be honest. But if I were convinced to my soul that Catholicism were the way to go (for whatever reason), I would not give one thin dime to the organization until it had convinced me it had cleaned up its act.

Not one thin dime, Catholics. Being an advocate for children of many years' duration, I urge you to STOP ALL GIVING until they have cleaned up this massive stench of corruption.

This report has been rehashed, I am a RC and I will remain. How about all the scout leaders and their pedophilia, how about Moore, how about all the Protestants. I come from a long line of RC and a large family and married into a large RC family, never has anyone been sexually molested, and I have known a lot of altar boys.

and here's another How about the Hasidic in NY. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why doesn't the jewish DA write an article about the Hasidic Jews in NY. It about time they pay.

I also think the non denominations like the Evans and fundies have a lot of pedophilia preachers.

Deflection, deflection, deflection. NONE of those incidents you mention have been as ongoing, as pervasive, or as covered-up as the Catholic sex scandals. I mean seriously?

Are you still giving money to this scandalous organization?

They go back to the 40's and I suspect most are fake. I'm not deflecting, I want the Hasidic to get whats coming to them. they still do the sucking circumcision.

I want all the protestants to get caught, all the scout masters, and talk about Jim Jordan, he knew what was going on , he needs to be questioned under oath.

Okay frankly, this is appalling. To be honest. If this were my denomination, I'd be so disgusted and hopping mad I'd do no pointing of fingers to ANYONE else's denomination at this point. Except say, you're right, you're right, you're right--and here are the steps we are going to take to get to the bottom of it. Right now, today, before we give another dime.

But from Catholics what we mostly get are deflection and blame-shifting, which is just reprehensible.

Going back to the 40's. Now they want to give people until they are 50 to sue the church. LOL. Now put all the protestants (including JW, Evans, Baptist, Methodist, etc ) into one basket and see what you find.

Oh the Jewish Hasidic have it bad, they can't turn in a pedophile to a "heathen" due they will be ostracized by the clan of Hasidic. Is a form of pedophilia doing sucking circumcision??

See the pic in my sig, I bet one or more are a pedophile!!
 
First, if I were Catholic with all this sex abuse and cover up going on, I probably wouldn't remain a Catholic to be honest. But if I were convinced to my soul that Catholicism were the way to go (for whatever reason), I would not give one thin dime to the organization until it had convinced me it had cleaned up its act.

Not one thin dime, Catholics. Being an advocate for children of many years' duration, I urge you to STOP ALL GIVING until they have cleaned up this massive stench of corruption.

It's a pervasive sickness in societies, picking exclusively on the Catholic Church seems a tad myopic and suspect, don't you think?

I'm thinking the Catholic Church should have a no tolerance policy and the sooner the better..

Granted they are known for forgiveness and redemption etc.


9 Myths about Priestly Pedophilia

1. Catholic priests are more likely to be pedophiles than other groups of men.

This is just plain false. There's absolutely no evidence that priests are more likely to abuse children than are other groups of men. The use and abuse of children as objects for the sexual gratification of adults is epidemic in all classes, professions, religions, and ethnic communities across the globe, as figures on child pornography, incest, and child prostitution make abundantly clear. Pedophilia (the sexual abuse of a prepubescent child) among priests is extremely rare, affecting only 0.3% of the entire population of clergy.

Okay first, I think you're parsing a bit here by limiting the abuse to "pedophilia". Abusing 12, 13 and 14 year olds is equally heinous, don't you think? And why wouldn't you expect the priest abuse rate to be substantially LOWER than the general population, not keeping pace with it--especially after years and years and years--with cover ups??

Your welcome to backup your assertions with facts, no problem from me..

If it was up to me, all pedoplilles would be dead.but hideously tortured first for all to see.

It's definitely higher than the general population--the Catholic church is covering this up. It's covered here:

Are Catholic Clergy more Likely to Be Paedophiles than the General Public?

If your really interested in high percentages of child molestation and such check the figures for K-12 public schooling .

I'll read your link later SweetSue92 .. I'm tired.... :sleep:
 
First, if I were Catholic with all this sex abuse and cover up going on, I probably wouldn't remain a Catholic to be honest. But if I were convinced to my soul that Catholicism were the way to go (for whatever reason), I would not give one thin dime to the organization until it had convinced me it had cleaned up its act.

Not one thin dime, Catholics. Being an advocate for children of many years' duration, I urge you to STOP ALL GIVING until they have cleaned up this massive stench of corruption.

It's a pervasive sickness in societies, picking exclusively on the Catholic Church seems a tad myopic and suspect, don't you think?

I'm thinking the Catholic Church should have a no tolerance policy and the sooner the better..

Granted they are known for forgiveness and redemption etc.


9 Myths about Priestly Pedophilia

1. Catholic priests are more likely to be pedophiles than other groups of men.

This is just plain false. There's absolutely no evidence that priests are more likely to abuse children than are other groups of men. The use and abuse of children as objects for the sexual gratification of adults is epidemic in all classes, professions, religions, and ethnic communities across the globe, as figures on child pornography, incest, and child prostitution make abundantly clear. Pedophilia (the sexual abuse of a prepubescent child) among priests is extremely rare, affecting only 0.3% of the entire population of clergy.

Okay first, I think you're parsing a bit here by limiting the abuse to "pedophilia". Abusing 12, 13 and 14 year olds is equally heinous, don't you think? And why wouldn't you expect the priest abuse rate to be substantially LOWER than the general population, not keeping pace with it--especially after years and years and years--with cover ups??

Your welcome to backup your assertions with facts, no problem from me..

If it was up to me, all pedoplilles would be dead.but hideously tortured first for all to see.

It's definitely higher than the general population--the Catholic church is covering this up. It's covered here:

Are Catholic Clergy more Likely to Be Paedophiles than the General Public?

If your really interested in high percentages of child molestation and such check the figures for K-12 public schooling.

I'll read your link later SweetSue92 .. I'm tired.... :sleep:

So from two Catholics we have: public schools, Protestants, Hasidic Jews.

Deflections. It's just a terrible look.
 
"If I Were Catholic....."

You're not even human so you don't qualify. Next.
 

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