If I Were Catholic.....

My Catholic view:

The Catholic Church many years ago unwittingly created a "religious" lifestyle that was very attractive to homosexuals and to child molesters. The all-male community, the celibacy, the parish structure, all came together to create this lifestyle.

So while the priesthood attracted thousands of holy men and would-be holy men to dedicate their lives to doing the work of Christ, it also attracted a percentage of homosexuals (who presumably intended to be celibate), and to a very small percentage of pedophiles - 6-7%. And of course these pedophiles did their best to be discrete, to select kids who were vulnerable and wouldn't rat them out, and to prey on boys perceived to be budding homosexuals.

When found out, they told their pastors and bishops that this was a one-time thing(!), they would never do it again(!), and if only they were given one more chance...

And of course, the Church TEACHES that behavior can be changed through confession, contrition, absolution, and by the grace of God. So when a Bishop hears a priest's confession, and hears him promise, solemnly, to sin no more, as far as the Bishop is concerned, with the reassignment of the priest to a remote location, the problem has been dealt with and it is solved.

It is only in relatively recent times that the persistence of this behavior has been recognized (it is NEVER cured), and the long-term harm to the victims has been realized.

IN NO CASE did any Catholic Bishop reassign a priest with the expectation that there would be more victims. If the Bishops thought that there was any chance of a recurrence, the priests would have been kicked out - if not reported to the civil Authorities. Some bishops saw this happen more than once with an individual priest, and continued in the same line of faith in the offending priest and his confession, and hope that the behavior would end.

Naive? Certainly. Criminal? No. How can it be criminal for a Bishop to believe what his Church teaches?

I have been a Catholic for my entire 69-year life, and have never seen or even heard of any Priest or Brother that I knew (I went to a Christian Brothers high school) abusing a kid. Maybe it happened and it just wasn't publicized, but you know kids talk, and I personally believe that if anyone in my circle of friends and relatives had been a victim, I'd have heard about it.

So looking at the statistics and having my own experience as a background, when I hear people making statements like this behavior was endemic and universal, it sort-of pisses me off. That is not true - not even remotely true.

In Pennsylvania, they are talking about a thousand known victims OVER SEVENTY YEARS! Do you have any idea how many millions of kids went through Catholic schools and were involved with Catholic Churches in that timeframe? I don't think ten million is far off.

I am now a member of a vibrant, successful Catholic parish, with a "rock star" pastor (who is being reassigned to straighten out a group of parishes north of here). We have more than 50 community outreach organizations, we sponsor missionaries, food drives, help for the homeless, poor, sick, elderly (where I volunteer). NEVER is anyone asked whether they are Catholic, much less whether they contribute to any Church. I am not a fan of our current Bishop (Zubic), but so what? He has never been a pastor, and I think he's a little tone deaf. Lots of executives are the same, in all walks of life.

This "problem" could be the death knell for the Catholic Church as I have come to know it. Maybe we will devolve into some sort of cult. But the church being described in the Media these days is totally unlike the Church that I have lived in my whole life. But there are anti-Catholic bigots hiding under every rock, and they are REVELING in this shit, aren't they?
 
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This "problem" could be the death knell for the Catholic Church as I have come to know it. Maybe we will devolve into some sort of cult. But the church being described in the Media these days is totally unlike the Church that I have lived in my whole life. But there are anti-Catholic bigots hiding under every rock, and they are REVELING in this shit, aren't they?

But there are anti-Catholic bigots hiding under every rock, and they are REVELING in this shit, aren't they?

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what about her, your church since the 4th century has persecuted and victimized the innocent from that time to the present day. you just don't like it when it is not you telling people how to live their lives - abortion - is your foil you live and die for.


We have more than 50 community outreach organizations, we sponsor missionaries, food drives, help for the homeless, poor, sick, elderly (where I volunteer). NEVER is anyone asked whether they are Catholic, much less whether they contribute to any Church.

good old boy's - you fought the civil rights movement in the 60's - you are the opposite of the events of the 1st century, disguising truth for avarice.
 
First, if I were Catholic with all this sex abuse and cover up going on, I probably wouldn't remain a Catholic to be honest. But if I were convinced to my soul that Catholicism were the way to go (for whatever reason), I would not give one thin dime to the organization until it had convinced me it had cleaned up its act.

Not one thin dime, Catholics. Being an advocate for children of many years' duration, I urge you to STOP ALL GIVING until they have cleaned up this massive stench of corruption.

...but you arent Catholic
The church is huge and you have no idea what is happening with all Catholics, you especially have no right advising them to leave their faith.

The hierarchy and protection within the ranks of leaders is the main problem and you are right ... its way past time they to do something about it.

Note that I did not advise them to leave their faith. I said *I* would not remain if it were me, but if I were convinced Catholicism were the way to go, I would not give a single red cent to the organization until they had cleaned up the corruption at the top. I am urging Catholics to stop all giving until that's done, NOT advising them to leave the faith they're convinced is right.

No you didnt, I kind of jumped the gun there. I guess my point was, the guilty people should clean it up. The actual molesters and anyone who hid it for selfish reasons like protecting their positions and or the church reputation.
 
Breeze, you are so ill-informed, you are not worth the keystrokes to respond.

- you are so ill-informed ...

in fact you did respond.

a simple question, what about her (them) - a recurrence every century uninterrupted since your false religion was established - persecution and victimization of the innocent.

everyone knows the destination for your collection plate, the same uninterrupted centuries the desert religions have bestowed upon themselves.
 
First, if I were Catholic with all this sex abuse and cover up going on, I probably wouldn't remain a Catholic to be honest. But if I were convinced to my soul that Catholicism were the way to go (for whatever reason), I would not give one thin dime to the organization until it had convinced me it had cleaned up its act.

Not one thin dime, Catholics. Being an advocate for children of many years' duration, I urge you to STOP ALL GIVING until they have cleaned up this massive stench of corruption.

The Church needs to solve this problem if homosexual priests. And Francis isn’t the one to do it apparently.
 
It's a pervasive sickness in societies, picking exclusively on the Catholic Church seems a tad myopic and suspect, don't you think?

I'm thinking the Catholic Church should have a no tolerance policy and the sooner the better..

Granted they are known for forgiveness and redemption etc.


9 Myths about Priestly Pedophilia

1. Catholic priests are more likely to be pedophiles than other groups of men.

This is just plain false. There's absolutely no evidence that priests are more likely to abuse children than are other groups of men. The use and abuse of children as objects for the sexual gratification of adults is epidemic in all classes, professions, religions, and ethnic communities across the globe, as figures on child pornography, incest, and child prostitution make abundantly clear. Pedophilia (the sexual abuse of a prepubescent child) among priests is extremely rare, affecting only 0.3% of the entire population of clergy.

Okay first, I think you're parsing a bit here by limiting the abuse to "pedophilia". Abusing 12, 13 and 14 year olds is equally heinous, don't you think? And why wouldn't you expect the priest abuse rate to be substantially LOWER than the general population, not keeping pace with it--especially after years and years and years--with cover ups??

Your welcome to backup your assertions with facts, no problem from me..

If it was up to me, all pedoplilles would be dead.but hideously tortured first for all to see.

It's definitely higher than the general population--the Catholic church is covering this up. It's covered here:

Are Catholic Clergy more Likely to Be Paedophiles than the General Public?

If your really interested in high percentages of child molestation and such check the figures for K-12 public schooling.

I'll read your link later SweetSue92 .. I'm tired.... :sleep:

So from two Catholics we have: public schools, Protestants, Hasidic Jews.

Deflections. It's just a terrible look.

Why would you count Penelope as a Catholic?. That’s wrong. And uncharitable if you. Whatever your beef with Christianity there was no need for that.
 
German Catholics manned the ovens.

I'm a German. I have Jewish ancestors. Lots of my family members died in the Holocaust. I'm a Catholic.

What about to start to think, before you say something, Nazi? Oh sorry: My mistake! You start to think, before you say something, Nazi.

Today is by the way our 4th of July. You are not welcome.

 
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German Catholics manned the ovens.

I'm a German. I have Jewish ancestors. Lots of my family members died in the Holocaust. I'm a Catholic.

What about to start to think, before you say something, Nazi? Oh sorry: My mistake! You start to think, before you say something, Nazi.

Today is by the way our 4th of July. You are not welcome.


So you celebrate the fact that we liberated you all from the Nazis? Good for you.

Maybe you had some distant relatives that manned the ovens. How can you be sure?
 
German Catholics manned the ovens.

I'm a German. I have Jewish ancestors. Lots of my family members died in the Holocaust. I'm a Catholic.

What about to start to think, before you say something, Nazi? Oh sorry: My mistake! You start to think, before you say something, Nazi.

Today is by the way our 4th of July. You are not welcome.


So you celebrate the fact that we liberated you all from the Nazis? Good for you.


The common element between your and our national day is freedom and unity.

Maybe you had some distant relatives that manned the ovens. How can you be sure?

And again you made the crime to try to make victims of a genocide responsible for this genocide, Nazi.

 
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German Catholics manned the ovens.
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Link (proof) please.
60% of Germans are Catholi,

A little less than 25% of the Germans are Catholics.

so it's shows that some of them who were manning the ovens must have been Catholics.

The Catholic regions of Germany and the people in Berlin (Lutherans), gave in average less votes to the Nazis than all other regions. Nevertheless indeed some people became Nazis, although they were born as Catholics. Hitler for example. But no one saw him in a church since he was not a child any longer. And the Nazi-ideology (forms of contempt for mankind including sick forms of elite formation and nationalism and a wrong understanding of Darwin and Nietzsche) was not compatible with anyhting what's essential for Catholics. Then idea bishops had continously amused themselve in the head quarters of Hitler is as funny as to call Germans "Aryans". I don't know why so many people are irreal and believe in totally stupid forms of political propaganda. What is your intention TAZ? Why are you doing what you are doing? What is going on in the black world in your black box? Shines a black sun there?
 
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First, if I were Catholic with all this sex abuse and cover up going on, I probably wouldn't remain a Catholic to be honest. But if I were convinced to my soul that Catholicism were the way to go (for whatever reason), I would not give one thin dime to the organization until it had convinced me it had cleaned up its act.

Not one thin dime, Catholics. Being an advocate for children of many years' duration, I urge you to STOP ALL GIVING until they have cleaned up this massive stench of corruption.

Celibacy destroyed the Catholic Church but Jesus married Mary Magdalene. I turned celibate twenty years ago because women kept me broke and celibacy never made me a sexual predator of any kind. What do I do when my balls ache? Jack Off.
 
German Catholics manned the ovens.

I'm a German. I have Jewish ancestors. Lots of my family members died in the Holocaust. I'm a Catholic.

What about to start to think, before you say something, Nazi? Oh sorry: My mistake! You start to think, before you say something, Nazi.

Today is by the way our 4th of July. You are not welcome.


So you celebrate the fact that we liberated you all from the Nazis? Good for you.


The common element between your and our national day is freedom and unity.

Maybe you had some distant relatives that manned the ovens. How can you be sure?

And again you made the crime to try to make victims of a genocide responsible for this genocide, Nazi.


Actually, some prisoners helped do the dirty deeds for fear of being killed themselves. Try learning some German history.
 

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