I told my employer i'm not signing up

[OnePercenter]

I told my employer i'm not signing up for healthcare.
my employer responded with "you have to, ...you can't do that"

supposedly , my employer called Stalin, or who ever is in charge, and I was told as long as 70% of the company signs up , I won't have to buy health insurance.

I thought I might take the risk of losing my job but it didn't turn out that way.

my plan is to never sign any paperwork relating to healthcare but the future is obvious,
soon you won't be employed unless you're paying for mansions for the health insurance companies.

Why wouldn't you want free healthcare from your employer?

You'd rather have taxpayers pay for you if you get sick?

FYI: Since ACA make insurance companies pay for existing conditions, can't cap benefits, and must use 80% of the premiums collected for benefits, I doubt mansions are forthcoming......but who knows, insurance companies are cash cows!

Didn't you hear the man, Wolfstrike? FREE STUFF!

How on Earth could you resist?

How is employer paid healthcare free? Don't you work?

 

[Wolfstrike]

someone told you obamacare was going to be free?

Your employer is paying for it. It's free for you. Your employer writes-off 100% of the cost ...blah blah blah

no. that's not the way it works.
obamacare forces employees to buy health insurance.
unless employers are willing to pay the complete cost, which is rare.

i'm sure there are big write-offs for companies that like all socialist infiltrated programs, leave the poorest people paying the bill.

insurance is not free under obamacare ,but it gives the government power to decide which -illegals- people are going to get the most subsidies.

 

[Wolfstrike]

and by the way, about the fact that 70% of the employees at my work must buy health insurance came straight from the mouth of the horse.
(i'm lucky it's only 70% as of today)

I doubt any of you who think you know everything about obamacare, know anything about it

 

[OnePercenter]

Next time you enter an emergency room, tell them you have no intentions of paying

That will really piss off Obama

Exactly! And see how far you get! The first thing they will ask for is your health insurance card. If you tell them you don't have one they may ask why not since the law now requires all people to have health insurance or you can be penalized if you don't. If you still say you don't have any they will present you with the full bill and usually it is HUGE at hospitals. It is not unusual for the bill to be over $1,500.00 or more for a short non-stay hospital visit where nothing really is done to speak of. So, do these people have the money to write a check and pay the hospital when they could simply get health insurance to help take care of it? Well, whatever the case, and I'm not a lawyer, but it is also widely known that if a person doesn't have insurance and claims they do not have any money either to pay for hospital services the hospital has the authority to investigate and check your bank account(s) to see if that is actually true and if it is not true the law allows them to get the money from there to pay for the bill since you have to sign-up for medical services and that is most likely in the contract you sign for those services. But perhaps that is what the posting party prefer happens.

Ironically, with all of the blind merger approvals during the baby Bush years, the hospital you are treated at is probably owned by your insurance company. Here in Vegas, five out of nine hospitals are owned by United HealthCare.

 

[OnePercenter]

I told my employer i'm not signing up for healthcare.
my employer responded with "you have to, ...you can't do that"

supposedly , my employer called Stalin, or who ever is in charge, and I was told as long as 70% of the company signs up , I won't have to buy health insurance.

I thought I might take the risk of losing my job but it didn't turn out that way.

my plan is to never sign any paperwork relating to healthcare but the future is obvious,
soon you won't be employed unless you're paying for mansions for the health insurance companies.

Why wouldn't you want free healthcare from your employer?

You'd rather have taxpayers pay for you if you get sick?

FYI: Since ACA make insurance companies pay for existing conditions, can't cap benefits, and must use 80% of the premiums collected for benefits, I doubt mansions are forthcoming......but who knows, insurance companies are cash cows!

Overall, the profit margin for health insurance companies was a modest 3.4 percent over the past year, according to data provided by Morningstar.

Source
Apples's profit margin consistently hovers above 20%
Source
The Oil industry typically recieves a profit margin around 6.5%.

But on average, between 2006 and 2010, the largest oil companies averaged a profit margin of around 6.5%.

Source
Health insurance is not a "cash cow".

And yet UnitedHealth Group, Wellpoint, Humana, Aetna, and Cigna are part of the Forbes top 100.

Incidental, do the profits that you listed include facility, pharmacy, ancillary services which all five own?

Insurance company = Cash Cow!

 

[OnePercenter]

someone told you obamacare was going to be free?

Your employer is paying for it. It's free for you. Your employer writes-off 100% of the cost ...blah blah blah

no. that's not the way it works.
obamacare forces employees to buy health insurance.
unless employers are willing to pay the complete cost, which is rare.

i'm sure there are big write-offs for companies that like all socialist infiltrated programs, leave the poorest people paying the bill.

insurance is not free under obamacare ,but it gives the government power to decide which -illegals- people are going to get the most subsidies.

First you post matter of fact, now you post some subjective rant, which is it?

Is your employer paying your healthcare?

 

[OnePercenter]

and by the way, about the fact that 70% of the employees at my work must buy health insurance came straight from the mouth of the horse.
(i'm lucky it's only 70% as of today)

I doubt any of you who think you know everything about obamacare, know anything about it

So your health care is paid? Why the moaning?

 

[asterism]

Next time you enter an emergency room, tell them you have no intentions of paying

That will really piss off Obama

Exactly! And see how far you get! The first thing they will ask for is your health insurance card. If you tell them you don't have one they may ask why not since the law now requires all people to have health insurance or you can be penalized if you don't. If you still say you don't have any they will present you with the full bill and usually it is HUGE at hospitals. It is not unusual for the bill to be over $1,500.00 or more for a short non-stay hospital visit where nothing really is done to speak of. So, do these people have the money to write a check and pay the hospital when they could simply get health insurance to help take care of it? Well, whatever the case, and I'm not a lawyer, but it is also widely known that if a person doesn't have insurance and claims they do not have any money either to pay for hospital services the hospital has the authority to investigate and check your bank account(s) to see if that is actually true and if it is not true the law allows them to get the money from there to pay for the bill since you have to sign-up for medical services and that is most likely in the contract you sign for those services. But perhaps that is what the posting party prefer happens.

Ironically, with all of the blind merger approvals during the baby Bush years, the hospital you are treated at is probably owned by your insurance company. Here in Vegas, five out of nine hospitals are owned by United HealthCare.

"Probably?"

Not even close.

According to the latest available data from the American Hospital Association, some 253 hospitals owned in whole or in part a traditional indemnity health insurance plan in 2011. Some 640 hospitals owned in whole or in part an HMO. And 744 hospitals owned in whole or in part a PPO. In terms of the hospital universe that year, those figures represent 5.1%, 12.9% and 15%, respectively, of the 4,973 general acute-care hospitals surveyed by the AHA that year.

Hospitals as Insurers | McKesson Better Health

 

[OnePercenter]

Exactly! And see how far you get! The first thing they will ask for is your health insurance card. If you tell them you don't have one they may ask why not since the law now requires all people to have health insurance or you can be penalized if you don't. If you still say you don't have any they will present you with the full bill and usually it is HUGE at hospitals. It is not unusual for the bill to be over $1,500.00 or more for a short non-stay hospital visit where nothing really is done to speak of. So, do these people have the money to write a check and pay the hospital when they could simply get health insurance to help take care of it? Well, whatever the case, and I'm not a lawyer, but it is also widely known that if a person doesn't have insurance and claims they do not have any money either to pay for hospital services the hospital has the authority to investigate and check your bank account(s) to see if that is actually true and if it is not true the law allows them to get the money from there to pay for the bill since you have to sign-up for medical services and that is most likely in the contract you sign for those services. But perhaps that is what the posting party prefer happens.

Ironically, with all of the blind merger approvals during the baby Bush years, the hospital you are treated at is probably owned by your insurance company. Here in Vegas, five out of nine hospitals are owned by United HealthCare.

"Probably?"

Not even close.

According to the latest available data from the American Hospital Association, some 253 hospitals owned in whole or in part a traditional indemnity health insurance plan in 2011. Some 640 hospitals owned in whole or in part an HMO. And 744 hospitals owned in whole or in part a PPO. In terms of the hospital universe that year, those figures represent 5.1%, 12.9% and 15%, respectively, of the 4,973 general acute-care hospitals surveyed by the AHA that year.

Hospitals as Insurers | McKesson Better Health

What happened before 2007?

 

[LoneLaugher]

Your part is 97,000. Other people are paying 93000 of it.

Brilliant. You are brilliant.

 

[Shanty]

I told my employer i'm not signing up for healthcare.
my employer responded with "you have to, ...you can't do that"

supposedly , my employer called Stalin, or who ever is in charge, and I was told as long as 70% of the company signs up , I won't have to buy health insurance.

I thought I might take the risk of losing my job but it didn't turn out that way.

my plan is to never sign any paperwork relating to healthcare but the future is obvious,
soon you won't be employed unless you're paying for mansions for the health insurance companies.

That's a very risky way to make a protest statement. A bout of meningitis with $2 Million in medical bills would cure that urge of yours.

What would have been more effective is a catastrophic policy that does not cover any extras. It makes the same statement but it does not leave you and your family in the lurch if something bad were to happen.

His Darwin Award might cure his family's gene pool of future catastrophes.

 

[rightwinger]

I told my employer i'm not signing up for healthcare.
my employer responded with "you have to, ...you can't do that"

supposedly , my employer called Stalin, or who ever is in charge, and I was told as long as 70% of the company signs up , I won't have to buy health insurance.

I thought I might take the risk of losing my job but it didn't turn out that way.

my plan is to never sign any paperwork relating to healthcare but the future is obvious,
soon you won't be employed unless you're paying for mansions for the health insurance companies.

That's a very risky way to make a protest statement. A bout of meningitis with $2 Million in medical bills would cure that urge of yours.

What would have been more effective is a catastrophic policy that does not cover any extras. It makes the same statement but it does not leave you and your family in the lurch if something bad were to happen.

His Darwin Award might cure his family's gene pool of future catastrophes.

Maybe so...but he would stick it to Obama

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Your part is 97,000. Other people are paying 93000 of it.

Brilliant. You are brilliant.

I want her insurance.

I'd love to have to pay only that percentage of my own costs.

 

[froggy]

The Obama plan is for you to pay a premium for insurance and the deductible will be so high that you pay all you healthcare bill out of pocket. Now who is Obama taking care of with that?

 

[Shanty]

That's a very risky way to make a protest statement. A bout of meningitis with $2 Million in medical bills would cure that urge of yours.

What would have been more effective is a catastrophic policy that does not cover any extras. It makes the same statement but it does not leave you and your family in the lurch if something bad were to happen.

His Darwin Award might cure his family's gene pool of future catastrophes.

Maybe so...but he would stick it to Obama

How is it that conservatives earning Darwin Awards sticks it to Obama? Would there be a headline like: "Conservative Ideologue Dead from Stupidity, Ann Coulter Blames Obama" ?

 

[Shanty]

The Obama plan is for you to pay a premium for insurance and the deductible will be so high that you pay all you healthcare bill out of pocket. Now who is Obama taking care of with that?

Even though premiums are far lower than we would have had under Republican plans, and lower than even what was projected.

Sorry, but the history and numbers just aren't fitting into your ideological narrative.

 

[Vandalshandle]

I told my employer i'm not signing up for healthcare.
my employer responded with "you have to, ...you can't do that"

supposedly , my employer called Stalin, or who ever is in charge, and I was told as long as 70% of the company signs up , I won't have to buy health insurance.

I thought I might take the risk of losing my job but it didn't turn out that way.

my plan is to never sign any paperwork relating to healthcare but the future is obvious,
soon you won't be employed unless you're paying for mansions for the health insurance companies.

Good for you.

You should not have to pay for their own health care insurance. You just stay on the dole and, if you get sick, present yourself at the emergency room and demand the tax payers foot the bill.

That'll show 'em.

Well, the good news is that the emergency room will only legally required to stabilize him. They are not required to pay the $400,000 lung cancer operation that he may need. That means that everyone else's premium will not be impacted when he dies from it for lack of an operation.

 

[Wolfstrike]

Is your employer paying your healthcare?

it's the same as it was before.
I was expected to pay, and my employer is charged as well.
both the employer and the employee pay.

the only thing obamacare did was come to me and tell me I HAVE TO buy

but in my case, I don 't pay because I told them to shove it.
my employer chips in for the other employees

 

[Andylusion]

I told my employer i'm not signing up for healthcare.
my employer responded with "you have to, ...you can't do that"

supposedly , my employer called Stalin, or who ever is in charge, and I was told as long as 70% of the company signs up , I won't have to buy health insurance.

I thought I might take the risk of losing my job but it didn't turn out that way.

my plan is to never sign any paperwork relating to healthcare but the future is obvious,
soon you won't be employed unless you're paying for mansions for the health insurance companies.

Why wouldn't you want free healthcare from your employer?

You'd rather have taxpayers pay for you if you get sick?

FYI: Since ACA make insurance companies pay for existing conditions, can't cap benefits, and must use 80% of the premiums collected for benefits, I doubt mansions are forthcoming......but who knows, insurance companies are cash cows!

If I get sick..... only then will I sign up for health care. After I get treated, I'll cancel my insurance policy.

You can pay the higher premiums for life, and I'll just pay the $90 tax penalty.

You know... Obama care isn't that bad after all.....

 

[Andylusion]

and by the way, about the fact that 70% of the employees at my work must buy health insurance came straight from the mouth of the horse.
(i'm lucky it's only 70% as of today)

I doubt any of you who think you know everything about obamacare, know anything about it

So your health care is paid? Why the moaning?

Huh? Who has their health care paid for? Where is that deal? Are you talking about government employees or something?

Because out here in the real world, I haven't met an employer yet that entirely paid for health care. The plan where I work is over $500 a month. I got that fixed. I canceled insurance, and when I get sick, I'll apply for insurance only then, and thanks to leftists and Obama, they can't decline me for pre-existing conditions.

Then after I'm fixed up, I'll cancel.

The insurance company will pass all my costs onto you all, and I'll not pay a dime, other than the $90 at the end of the year in my tax bill.