I Missed That Day in Physics Where Chaos Naturally Evolves Into Order

[Fort Fun Indiana]

WhY mEtHanE orDeR iNtO teTrAhEdrOnS?!?!

 

[daveman]

Fort Fun Indiana's MO is to make unsubstantiated claims, fail to back them up and then criticize you for not finding what he should be providing in the first place.

The reason he doesn't provide the basis of his beliefs is that he totally takes out of context what he reads. So if he provided the links, it would be easy to show the flaws in his logic.

He is not being intellectually dishonest, he's just being plain old dishonest. He's not an intellectual. Which partially explains why he behaves like a spoiled child in discussions.

What a freakish post. You agree with me (and with physicists) 100%. Yet you managed to whine like a little baby anyway.

Hey, speaking of which, scientists have recently discovered the world doesn't revolve around you.

I'll give you a moment to deal with the shock before I start laughing at you again.

Aw, poor Davey. Knows nothing about science at all, so is reduced to biting ankles.

You mindlessly repeating your religion's dogma is not "knowing about science".

That's a true statement.

I am having a conversation right now in this thread where a guy is denying science. Hell, he even just denied biological evolution.

Science, as practiced by people such as Indie, is their religion. They repeat what they're told without understanding it.

 

[Hollie]

Don't be silly. Everything I wrote is based on science. I've been a practicing engineer for 35 years. I don't think you want to get into a science argument with me.

science is based on observation,,,and last I heard no one living or dead observed what you said,,,thats why its a religion not science,,,

Science is the study of nature to discover the order of nature so as to be able to make predictions about nature.

What part of what I wrote is not supported by science?

It is built into the laws of nature so to speak. Since the beginning of time the one constant has been complexification. The universe started out as subatomic particles and very quickly formed hydrogen and helium (cosmic evolution). Hydrogen and helium formed structures such as stars and galaxies (stellar evolution). The supernovas of stars created all of the elements and compounds that we see through fusion (chemical evolution). Life making the leap from inanimate matter to single celled organism and evolving into evermore increasing complex life forms (biological evolution) up to the point that beings that know and create eventually arose (evolution of consciousness).

Every step along the way matter and energy complexified and was controlled by and predestined by the laws of nature. It's not an accident that intelligence arose, the universe is literally an intelligence creating machine.

the part where none of it has been observed,,,

So you don't believe the scientific community believes or has evidence to believe in cosmic evolution, stellar evolution, chemical evolution and biological evolution?

so far all I've seen is speculations based on assumptions,,,

Such are the responses from Harun Yahya groupies.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

science is based on observation,,,and last I heard no one living or dead observed what you said,,,thats why its a religion not science,,,

Science is the study of nature to discover the order of nature so as to be able to make predictions about nature.

What part of what I wrote is not supported by science?

It is built into the laws of nature so to speak. Since the beginning of time the one constant has been complexification. The universe started out as subatomic particles and very quickly formed hydrogen and helium (cosmic evolution). Hydrogen and helium formed structures such as stars and galaxies (stellar evolution). The supernovas of stars created all of the elements and compounds that we see through fusion (chemical evolution). Life making the leap from inanimate matter to single celled organism and evolving into evermore increasing complex life forms (biological evolution) up to the point that beings that know and create eventually arose (evolution of consciousness).

Every step along the way matter and energy complexified and was controlled by and predestined by the laws of nature. It's not an accident that intelligence arose, the universe is literally an intelligence creating machine.

the part where none of it has been observed,,,

So you don't believe the scientific community believes or has evidence to believe in cosmic evolution, stellar evolution, chemical evolution and biological evolution?

so far all I've seen is speculations based on assumptions,,,

Such are the responses from Harun Yahya groupies.

But why do galaxies order into spirals? Has anyone told the physicists about this?

 

[ding]

What a freakish post. You agree with me (and with physicists) 100%. Yet you managed to whine like a little baby anyway.

Hey, speaking of which, scientists have recently discovered the world doesn't revolve around you.

I'll give you a moment to deal with the shock before I start laughing at you again.

Aw, poor Davey. Knows nothing about science at all, so is reduced to biting ankles.

You mindlessly repeating your religion's dogma is not "knowing about science".

That's a true statement.

I am having a conversation right now in this thread where a guy is denying science. Hell, he even just denied biological evolution.

Science, as practiced by people such as Indie, is their religion. They repeat what they're told without understanding it.

The key distinction being as practiced by. He worships science until it science doesn't suit his purpose then he shits all over it.

 

[daveman]

Hey, speaking of which, scientists have recently discovered the world doesn't revolve around you.

I'll give you a moment to deal with the shock before I start laughing at you again.

Aw, poor Davey. Knows nothing about science at all, so is reduced to biting ankles.

You mindlessly repeating your religion's dogma is not "knowing about science".

That's a true statement.

I am having a conversation right now in this thread where a guy is denying science. Hell, he even just denied biological evolution.

Science, as practiced by people such as Indie, is their religion. They repeat what they're told without understanding it.

The key distinction being as practiced by. He worships science until it science doesn't suit his purpose then he shits all over it.

All in service to his primary faith: Government.

 

[ding]

science is based on observation,,,and last I heard no one living or dead observed what you said,,,thats why its a religion not science,,,

Science is the study of nature to discover the order of nature so as to be able to make predictions about nature.

What part of what I wrote is not supported by science?

It is built into the laws of nature so to speak. Since the beginning of time the one constant has been complexification. The universe started out as subatomic particles and very quickly formed hydrogen and helium (cosmic evolution). Hydrogen and helium formed structures such as stars and galaxies (stellar evolution). The supernovas of stars created all of the elements and compounds that we see through fusion (chemical evolution). Life making the leap from inanimate matter to single celled organism and evolving into evermore increasing complex life forms (biological evolution) up to the point that beings that know and create eventually arose (evolution of consciousness).

Every step along the way matter and energy complexified and was controlled by and predestined by the laws of nature. It's not an accident that intelligence arose, the universe is literally an intelligence creating machine.

the part where none of it has been observed,,,

So you don't believe the scientific community believes or has evidence to believe in cosmic evolution, stellar evolution, chemical evolution and biological evolution?

so far all I've seen is speculations based on assumptions,,,

Such are the responses from Harun Yahya groupies.

Do you want to argue against science too?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Boy oh boy, the religious nutballs sure have a hard time in the science section. Take ding, for example...will cry his little eyes out that people "worship science", then will proceed to embarrass himself for ten pages trying to demonstrate that all of science proves his magical fetishes. Such bizarre behavior...

 

[ding]

Aw, poor Davey. Knows nothing about science at all, so is reduced to biting ankles.

You mindlessly repeating your religion's dogma is not "knowing about science".

That's a true statement.

I am having a conversation right now in this thread where a guy is denying science. Hell, he even just denied biological evolution.

Science, as practiced by people such as Indie, is their religion. They repeat what they're told without understanding it.

The key distinction being as practiced by. He worships science until it science doesn't suit his purpose then he shits all over it.

All in service to his primary faith: Government.

Would you say the following describes him to a "T"...

Socialism intentionally denies examination because it is irrational. There is no formal defined dogma of socialism. Instead there is only a vague, rosy notion of something good, noble and just: the advent of these things will bring instant euphoria and a social order beyond reproach. Socialism seeks equality through uniformity and communal ownership Socialism has an extraordinary ability to incite and inflame its adherents and inspire social movements. Socialists dismiss their defeats and ignore their incongruities. They desire big government and use big government to implement their morally relativistic social policies. Socialism is a religion. The religious nature of socialism explains their hostility towards traditional religions which is that of one rival religion over another. Their dogma is based on materialism, primitive instincts, atheism and the deification of man. They see no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. They practice moral relativity, indiscriminate indiscriminateness, multiculturalism, cultural Marxism and normalization of deviance. They worship science but are the first to reject it when it suits their purposes. They can be identified by an external locus of control. Their religious doctrine is abolition of private property, abolition of family, abolition of religion and equality via uniformity and communal ownership. They practice critical theory which is the Cultural Marxist theory to criticize what they do not believe to arrive at what they do believe without ever having to examine what they believe. They confuse critical theory for critical thinking. Critical thinking is the practice of challenging what one does believe to test its validity. Something they never do.

 

[ding]

Boy oh boy, the religious nutballs sure have a hard time in the science section. Take ding, for example...will cry his little eyes out that people "worship science", then will proceed to embarrass himself for ten pages trying to demonstrate that all of science proves his magical fetishes. Such bizarre behavior...

And you think you don't believe in magic.

 

[progressive hunter]

so far all I've seen is speculations based on assumptions,,,

Then you are denying the generally accepted scientific consensus which I am certain is based upon observations and evidence.

consensus is whats used when the science fails,,,

I see. So have you looked into any of this personally?

yes

So what is red shift and the CMB evidence of?

what it is no one KNOWS for sure but we can read all the speculations we want doesnt make them fact,,,

 

[ding]

Then you are denying the generally accepted scientific consensus which I am certain is based upon observations and evidence.

consensus is whats used when the science fails,,,

I see. So have you looked into any of this personally?

yes

So what is red shift and the CMB evidence of?

what it is no one KNOWS for sure but we can read all the speculations we want doesnt make them fact,,,

So you don't know the answer?

Red shift is an observation and measurement that all objects are moving away from each other. CMB is the cosmic background radiation which is left over from the big bang and can be observed and measured.

Do you deny these are observations, measurements and evidence?

 

[progressive hunter]

consensus is whats used when the science fails,,,

I see. So have you looked into any of this personally?

yes

So what is red shift and the CMB evidence of?

what it is no one KNOWS for sure but we can read all the speculations we want doesnt make them fact,,,

So you don't know the answer?

Red shift is an observation and measurement that all objects are moving away from each other. CMB is the cosmic background radiation which is left over from the big bang and can be observed and measured.

Do you deny these are observations, measurements and evidence?

of course they are observations,,,but whether they are accurate measurements is an assumption since they cant be verified,,,not to mention that red shift is an assumption itself,,,

 

[ding]

I see. So have you looked into any of this personally?

yes

So what is red shift and the CMB evidence of?

what it is no one KNOWS for sure but we can read all the speculations we want doesnt make them fact,,,

So you don't know the answer?

Red shift is an observation and measurement that all objects are moving away from each other. CMB is the cosmic background radiation which is left over from the big bang and can be observed and measured.

Do you deny these are observations, measurements and evidence?

of course they are observations,,,but whether they are accurate measurements is an assumption since they cant be verified,,,not to mention that red shift is an assumption itself,,,

Holy cow, you are a science denier.

 

[progressive hunter]

yes

So what is red shift and the CMB evidence of?

what it is no one KNOWS for sure but we can read all the speculations we want doesnt make them fact,,,

So you don't know the answer?

Red shift is an observation and measurement that all objects are moving away from each other. CMB is the cosmic background radiation which is left over from the big bang and can be observed and measured.

Do you deny these are observations, measurements and evidence?

of course they are observations,,,but whether they are accurate measurements is an assumption since they cant be verified,,,not to mention that red shift is an assumption itself,,,

Holy cow, you are a science denier.

I "KNOW" there are only 2 genders and Epstein didnt kill himself,,,

and science is only correct until they find new evidence to the contrary,,,

 

[ding]

So what is red shift and the CMB evidence of?

what it is no one KNOWS for sure but we can read all the speculations we want doesnt make them fact,,,

So you don't know the answer?

Red shift is an observation and measurement that all objects are moving away from each other. CMB is the cosmic background radiation which is left over from the big bang and can be observed and measured.

Do you deny these are observations, measurements and evidence?

of course they are observations,,,but whether they are accurate measurements is an assumption since they cant be verified,,,not to mention that red shift is an assumption itself,,,

Holy cow, you are a science denier.

I "KNOW" there are only 2 genders and Epstein didnt kill himself,,,

and science is only correct until they find new evidence to the contrary,,,

Cool story, but you believe in magic.

 

[progressive hunter]

what it is no one KNOWS for sure but we can read all the speculations we want doesnt make them fact,,,

So you don't know the answer?

Red shift is an observation and measurement that all objects are moving away from each other. CMB is the cosmic background radiation which is left over from the big bang and can be observed and measured.

Do you deny these are observations, measurements and evidence?

of course they are observations,,,but whether they are accurate measurements is an assumption since they cant be verified,,,not to mention that red shift is an assumption itself,,,

Holy cow, you are a science denier.

I "KNOW" there are only 2 genders and Epstein didnt kill himself,,,

and science is only correct until they find new evidence to the contrary,,,

Cool story, but you believe in magic.

how so???

 

[ding]

So you don't know the answer?

Red shift is an observation and measurement that all objects are moving away from each other. CMB is the cosmic background radiation which is left over from the big bang and can be observed and measured.

Do you deny these are observations, measurements and evidence?

of course they are observations,,,but whether they are accurate measurements is an assumption since they cant be verified,,,not to mention that red shift is an assumption itself,,,

Holy cow, you are a science denier.

I "KNOW" there are only 2 genders and Epstein didnt kill himself,,,

and science is only correct until they find new evidence to the contrary,,,

Cool story, but you believe in magic.

how so???

Because he is denying well established science.

 

[daveman]

You mindlessly repeating your religion's dogma is not "knowing about science".

That's a true statement.

I am having a conversation right now in this thread where a guy is denying science. Hell, he even just denied biological evolution.

Science, as practiced by people such as Indie, is their religion. They repeat what they're told without understanding it.

The key distinction being as practiced by. He worships science until it science doesn't suit his purpose then he shits all over it.

All in service to his primary faith: Government.

Would you say the following describes him to a "T"...

Socialism intentionally denies examination because it is irrational. There is no formal defined dogma of socialism. Instead there is only a vague, rosy notion of something good, noble and just: the advent of these things will bring instant euphoria and a social order beyond reproach. Socialism seeks equality through uniformity and communal ownership Socialism has an extraordinary ability to incite and inflame its adherents and inspire social movements. Socialists dismiss their defeats and ignore their incongruities. They desire big government and use big government to implement their morally relativistic social policies. Socialism is a religion. The religious nature of socialism explains their hostility towards traditional religions which is that of one rival religion over another. Their dogma is based on materialism, primitive instincts, atheism and the deification of man. They see no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. They practice moral relativity, indiscriminate indiscriminateness, multiculturalism, cultural Marxism and normalization of deviance. They worship science but are the first to reject it when it suits their purposes. They can be identified by an external locus of control. Their religious doctrine is abolition of private property, abolition of family, abolition of religion and equality via uniformity and communal ownership. They practice critical theory which is the Cultural Marxist theory to criticize what they do not believe to arrive at what they do believe without ever having to examine what they believe. They confuse critical theory for critical thinking. Critical thinking is the practice of challenging what one does believe to test its validity. Something they never do.

Nailed it.

 

[daveman]

I've seen no explanations from you.

Right, because your dumb ass will look it up yourself, if you want to know about it. Got it? Good.

Missed this gem.

Oh, you won't back up your assertions of fact?

Then they're opinion, and immediately dismissible.