" I am tired of doing business this way"

[sangha]

Well I have no problem believing that however I am too and deal with probably 100 independant businesses on a yearly basis. They ALL have seen a minimum 35% reduction in revenue. The only sector that has not seemed to suffer as much is the bar and saloon industry and even there we have had three of those close down in the last year, in a casino town. Did I mention the 5 casinos that have had to shut down as well. Multimillion dollar establishments like the Sienna in Reno have shut their doors.

What industry are you in?

You have no problem believing many things that are not true, like how you deal with 100 independant businesses a year.

And businesses go under in good times and bad. But I guess it's all Obama's fault.

I have projects going all over the world and would vastly prefer to concentrate my buying with just a few but the transport costs are just a tad too much don't you know, so I deal with local manufacturers wherever possible to keep the costs down.....so what industry are you in again?

Whatever.

It's not like I believe anything you say. If you had anything true to say, you'd back it up with proof. Instead, all you've got is unconfirmable anecdates.

Meanwhile, businesses are reporting record profits. Wingnuts like you think that means "business is bad".

 

[Foxfyre]

Speaking of backing up your statements, Sangha, who is reaping record profits other than some financial institutions that are either in the Administration's back pocket and/or are still being shored up by taxpayer bailout funds?

In my business I see a lot of bottom lines of businesses who are struggling just to keep the lights on and make payroll. Not one of several hundred I looked at over the last couple of years was making anything like record profits.

 

[sangha]

One has to have a perspective of history and current events as well as repetitious message board talking points, I believe, in order to understand Boedicca's post. She said a LOT without having to use a lot of words to do it in that response.

Commerce and industry, whether selling a tangible product or a service, must have profits or it cannot stay in business. It must grow, improve, innovate, specialize, and increase in value or it will be swallowed up by others that do. Facilities, tools, equipment breaks down, wears out, becomes obsolete and must be replaced. Cost of living is affected by more than just what people choose to charge for a product or service and it goes down only in times of depression which are beneficial to nobody.

And most people, without sufficient reward for investing their time, talent, blood, sweat, and tears in an enterprise, will get weary of doing it and will just stop. It is much easier to work for wages without all the hassle but unfortunately, if everybody chooses to do that, then there won't be anybody to pay the wages.

There is reason to regret the impersonal big box way of doing business these days, and if we put our collective heads together we might even find a way to remedy that.

But blasting commerce, industry, and profits won't accomplish anything but fewer jobs and less prosperity for everybody.

One wingnut lies, and another comes along and makes up "what the other wingnut really meant to say"

This wingnut is so deluded, she thinks that when boeddie stupidly claimed a lack of economic growth, it meant something completely different

The problem is the Free Market delusion of the right wing hypocrits who whine when confronted with the real thing. In a Free Market, businesses are free to be as impersonal as they want to be and if you don't like it, you can put your collective heads up your collective asses.

But wingnuts are such hypocrits that, as soon as they are confronted with the consequences of a free market, they whine and demand that the nanny govt come in and fix things for them.

I'm reminded of a line from a movie, which I'll paraphrase

"Wingnuts want a free market? WINGNUTS CAN'T HANDLE A FREE MARKET!!" (this thread filled with wingnuts complaining about america proves it)

 

[daveman]

What?

You don't like the Conservative Corporatist Anti-Capitalist model?

Conservatives and their love of the third world.

Go fig.

I believe you mean liberals and their tendency to create a business climate that punishes success and saddles industry with unsustainable regulations.

The way FDR and the liberals transformed the US into the worlds greatest superpower was just unbearable for the wingnuts

Wait...I thought you guys hated the military-industrial complex? Now you're taking credit for it?

 

[Foxfyre]

One has to have a perspective of history and current events as well as repetitious message board talking points, I believe, in order to understand Boedicca's post. She said a LOT without having to use a lot of words to do it in that response.

Commerce and industry, whether selling a tangible product or a service, must have profits or it cannot stay in business. It must grow, improve, innovate, specialize, and increase in value or it will be swallowed up by others that do. Facilities, tools, equipment breaks down, wears out, becomes obsolete and must be replaced. Cost of living is affected by more than just what people choose to charge for a product or service and it goes down only in times of depression which are beneficial to nobody.

And most people, without sufficient reward for investing their time, talent, blood, sweat, and tears in an enterprise, will get weary of doing it and will just stop. It is much easier to work for wages without all the hassle but unfortunately, if everybody chooses to do that, then there won't be anybody to pay the wages.

There is reason to regret the impersonal big box way of doing business these days, and if we put our collective heads together we might even find a way to remedy that.

But blasting commerce, industry, and profits won't accomplish anything but fewer jobs and less prosperity for everybody.

One wingnut lies, and another comes along and makes up "what the other wingnut really meant to say"

This wingnut is so deluded, she thinks that when boeddie stupidly claimed a lack of economic growth, it meant something completely different

The problem is the Free Market delusion of the right wing hypocrits who whine when confronted with the real thing. In a Free Market, businesses are free to be as impersonal as they want to be and if you don't like it, you can put your collective heads up your collective asses.

But wingnuts are such hypocrits that, as soon as they are confronted with the consequences of a free market, they whine and demand that the nanny govt come in and fix things for them.

I'm reminded of a line from a movie, which I'll paraphrase

"Wingnuts want a free market? WINGNUTS CAN'T HANDLE A FREE MARKET!!" (this thread filled with wingnuts complaining about america proves it)

Would you answer the following questions Sangha?

1. How much profit is enough profit?

2. What incentive is there for somebody to buy and/or begin and build a business if he or she can earn more with a whole lot less pressure by working for somebody else?

3. What is your definition of a free market? And what consequences do you see in a free market?

4. What do you think the right 'wingnuts' are demanding of the government?

Please be specific.

I'll wait with great expectations for your answers.

 

[sangha]

Speaking of backing up your statements, Sangha, who is reaping record profits other than some financial institutions that are either in the Administration's back pocket and/or are still being shored up by taxpayer bailout funds?

In my business I see a lot of bottom lines of businesses who are struggling just to keep the lights on and make payroll. Not one of several hundred I looked at over the last couple of years was making anything like record profits.

You are welcome to your own opinions; you don't have your own facts

The facts are that businesses have reported record profits for 2011. Not just financial instutions....ALL BUSINESS

The entire US economy grew. I know you just hate it when a dem shows you how an economy is supposed to be run, but you shouldn't lie and pretend you have facts of your own.

If your clients are struggling, that isn't a great reflection on your business skills. It looks like the successful business owners know to take their business elsewhere. Only the losers have chosen you.

My clients are all doing very well. If my clients were struggling as yours are, I would start looking for new business, pronto!! Millions of american business owners are making money. If you or your clients are having problems doing what millions others do on a daily basis, you and they have no one but yourselves to blame.

 

[sangha]

I believe you mean liberals and their tendency to create a business climate that punishes success and saddles industry with unsustainable regulations.

The way FDR and the liberals transformed the US into the worlds greatest superpower was just unbearable for the wingnuts

Wait...I thought you guys hated the military-industrial complex? Now you're taking credit for it?

And I thought you loved the US. Now you're hating on it

 

[sangha]

One has to have a perspective of history and current events as well as repetitious message board talking points, I believe, in order to understand Boedicca's post. She said a LOT without having to use a lot of words to do it in that response.

Commerce and industry, whether selling a tangible product or a service, must have profits or it cannot stay in business. It must grow, improve, innovate, specialize, and increase in value or it will be swallowed up by others that do. Facilities, tools, equipment breaks down, wears out, becomes obsolete and must be replaced. Cost of living is affected by more than just what people choose to charge for a product or service and it goes down only in times of depression which are beneficial to nobody.

And most people, without sufficient reward for investing their time, talent, blood, sweat, and tears in an enterprise, will get weary of doing it and will just stop. It is much easier to work for wages without all the hassle but unfortunately, if everybody chooses to do that, then there won't be anybody to pay the wages.

There is reason to regret the impersonal big box way of doing business these days, and if we put our collective heads together we might even find a way to remedy that.

But blasting commerce, industry, and profits won't accomplish anything but fewer jobs and less prosperity for everybody.

One wingnut lies, and another comes along and makes up "what the other wingnut really meant to say"

This wingnut is so deluded, she thinks that when boeddie stupidly claimed a lack of economic growth, it meant something completely different

The problem is the Free Market delusion of the right wing hypocrits who whine when confronted with the real thing. In a Free Market, businesses are free to be as impersonal as they want to be and if you don't like it, you can put your collective heads up your collective asses.

But wingnuts are such hypocrits that, as soon as they are confronted with the consequences of a free market, they whine and demand that the nanny govt come in and fix things for them.

I'm reminded of a line from a movie, which I'll paraphrase

"Wingnuts want a free market? WINGNUTS CAN'T HANDLE A FREE MARKET!!" (this thread filled with wingnuts complaining about america proves it)

Would you answer the following questions Sangha?

1. How much profit is enough profit?

2. What incentive is there for somebody to buy and/or begin and build a business if he or she can earn more with a whole lot less pressure by working for somebody else?

3. What is your definition of a free market? And what consequences do you see in a free market?

4. What do you think the right 'wingnuts' are demanding of the government?

Please be specific.

I'll wait with great expectations for your answers.

LOL!!!!

The answer is "No". If you have a point to make, then make it. I'm not here to help you make your point.

But I will point out how you dishonestly tried to turn boeddies claim that there was no economic growth into something completely different. When will you just speak for yourself and stop trying to ride on someone else's coattails.

 

[daveman]

The way FDR and the liberals transformed the US into the worlds greatest superpower was just unbearable for the wingnuts

Wait...I thought you guys hated the military-industrial complex? Now you're taking credit for it?

And I thought you loved the US. Now you're hating on it

I love the US so much I've served twenty years in uniform.

Anytime you want to start being rational, that'd be cool.

 

[sangha]

Wait...I thought you guys hated the military-industrial complex? Now you're taking credit for it?

And I thought you loved the US. Now you're hating on it

I love the US so much I've served twenty years in uniform.

Anytime you want to start being rational, that'd be cool.

I believe you served!! Of course I do.

 

[daveman]

And I thought you loved the US. Now you're hating on it

I love the US so much I've served twenty years in uniform.

Anytime you want to start being rational, that'd be cool.

I believe you served!! Of course I do.

My retirement ceremony a week ago Friday:

I'm the guy on the right. You're the guy who's a moron.

 

[Foxfyre]

One wingnut lies, and another comes along and makes up "what the other wingnut really meant to say"

This wingnut is so deluded, she thinks that when boeddie stupidly claimed a lack of economic growth, it meant something completely different

The problem is the Free Market delusion of the right wing hypocrits who whine when confronted with the real thing. In a Free Market, businesses are free to be as impersonal as they want to be and if you don't like it, you can put your collective heads up your collective asses.

But wingnuts are such hypocrits that, as soon as they are confronted with the consequences of a free market, they whine and demand that the nanny govt come in and fix things for them.

I'm reminded of a line from a movie, which I'll paraphrase

"Wingnuts want a free market? WINGNUTS CAN'T HANDLE A FREE MARKET!!" (this thread filled with wingnuts complaining about america proves it)

Would you answer the following questions Sangha?

1. How much profit is enough profit?

2. What incentive is there for somebody to buy and/or begin and build a business if he or she can earn more with a whole lot less pressure by working for somebody else?

3. What is your definition of a free market? And what consequences do you see in a free market?

4. What do you think the right 'wingnuts' are demanding of the government?

Please be specific.

I'll wait with great expectations for your answers.

LOL!!!!

The answer is "No". If you have a point to make, then make it. I'm not here to help you make your point.

But I will point out how you dishonestly tried to turn boeddies claim that there was no economic growth into something completely different. When will you just speak for yourself and stop trying to ride on someone else's coattails.

Fine. But let the record show that a) you either don't have a clue or b) you can't back up anything you're saying.

 

[sangha]

I love the US so much I've served twenty years in uniform.

Anytime you want to start being rational, that'd be cool.

I believe you served!! Of course I do.

My retirement ceremony a week ago Friday:

I'm the guy on the right. You're the guy who's a moron.

And here's a picture of my home

 

[westwall]

You have no problem believing many things that are not true, like how you deal with 100 independant businesses a year.

And businesses go under in good times and bad. But I guess it's all Obama's fault.

I have projects going all over the world and would vastly prefer to concentrate my buying with just a few but the transport costs are just a tad too much don't you know, so I deal with local manufacturers wherever possible to keep the costs down.....so what industry are you in again?

Whatever.

It's not like I believe anything you say. If you had anything true to say, you'd back it up with proof. Instead, all you've got is unconfirmable anecdates.

Meanwhile, businesses are reporting record profits. Wingnuts like you think that means "business is bad".

Whatever you say dood. Feel free to look up anything I post and you will find plenty of outside verification. Unlike you who are so frightened to answer a basic question I will happily answer almost any one you care to ask.

Just ask away and I will post source material for you. What industry are you in again?

 

[westwall]

Speaking of backing up your statements, Sangha, who is reaping record profits other than some financial institutions that are either in the Administration's back pocket and/or are still being shored up by taxpayer bailout funds?

In my business I see a lot of bottom lines of businesses who are struggling just to keep the lights on and make payroll. Not one of several hundred I looked at over the last couple of years was making anything like record profits.

You are welcome to your own opinions; you don't have your own facts

The facts are that businesses have reported record profits for 2011. Not just financial instutions....ALL BUSINESS

The entire US economy grew. I know you just hate it when a dem shows you how an economy is supposed to be run, but you shouldn't lie and pretend you have facts of your own.

If your clients are struggling, that isn't a great reflection on your business skills. It looks like the successful business owners know to take their business elsewhere. Only the losers have chosen you.

My clients are all doing very well. If my clients were struggling as yours are, I would start looking for new business, pronto!! Millions of american business owners are making money. If you or your clients are having problems doing what millions others do on a daily basis, you and they have no one but yourselves to blame.

If that is true then you should have no problem providing links to what you say, otherwise you are guilty of what you accused me of.

 

[daveman]

I believe you served!! Of course I do.

My retirement ceremony a week ago Friday:

I'm the guy on the right. You're the guy who's a moron.

And here's a picture of my home

Compare the picture I posted to my avatar, Skippy.

You'll see the resemblance, but you'll never acknowledge it.

 

[westwall]

My retirement ceremony a week ago Friday:

I'm the guy on the right. You're the guy who's a moron.

And here's a picture of my home

Compare the picture I posted to my avatar, Skippy.

You'll see the resemblance, but you'll never acknowledge it.

Skippy lost the plot I fear. I doubt he has left moms basement.

 

[sangha]

I have projects going all over the world and would vastly prefer to concentrate my buying with just a few but the transport costs are just a tad too much don't you know, so I deal with local manufacturers wherever possible to keep the costs down.....so what industry are you in again?

Whatever.

It's not like I believe anything you say. If you had anything true to say, you'd back it up with proof. Instead, all you've got is unconfirmable anecdates.

Meanwhile, businesses are reporting record profits. Wingnuts like you think that means "business is bad".

Whatever you say dood. Feel free to look up anything I post and you will find plenty of outside verification. Unlike you who are so frightened to answer a basic question I will happily answer almost any one you care to ask.

Just ask away and I will post source material for you. What industry are you in again?

I'd like to see verification of your claim that I work for the govt

Until then, you're just another blowhard on the internet who makes up stuff

 

[daveman]

Skippy lost the plot I fear. I doubt he has left moms basement.

Well, he can't until he puts some pants on:

 

[westwall]

Whatever.

It's not like I believe anything you say. If you had anything true to say, you'd back it up with proof. Instead, all you've got is unconfirmable anecdates.

Meanwhile, businesses are reporting record profits. Wingnuts like you think that means "business is bad".

Whatever you say dood. Feel free to look up anything I post and you will find plenty of outside verification. Unlike you who are so frightened to answer a basic question I will happily answer almost any one you care to ask.

Just ask away and I will post source material for you. What industry are you in again?

I'd like to see verification of your claim that I work for the govt

Until then, you're just another blowhard on the internet who makes up stuff

You really are not capable of coherent thought are you? I agreed that you worked for yourself. Then I asked what industry you are in so I could hopefully learn something as you seem to be bucking the worldwide trend. Now how about some links backing up your other claims, and once again what industry are you in?