How long would the rich remain rich without the poor?

[Avatar4321]

What is the point of the post? Just who is it that says we should get rid of the Poor? I mean WTF lol.

The majority of the right wing believes they serve no function whatsoever in society.

They don't even value them for the cheap labor.

Please dont take this the wrong way, but you are seriously taking the necessary action to be one of the most dumbest and dishonest posters on the board. You might want to think before you say more.

 

[Avatar4321]

Would the poor get poorer without the rich man?

Of course he would. We all get poorer when we have less people to interact with. We all get poorer when we have less people to trade with. We all get poorer when there are less people to come up with good ideas.

 

[Harry Dresden]

The implication of the Opening Post is that the rich guy couldn't survive without his gardener, which is one of the funniest posts to come down the pike in a long time.

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What would he do with his garden without his gardener?

gee.....do it himself?.....

 

[Avatar4321]

And he does all the grass cutting himself I suppose, without hiring out to any ordinary folk.

Impressive he's able to get wealthy like that.

He does the cutting and has a team of other guys working on the other things. They too, can get the education and work themselves up the way he did and provide competition for him some day!

And if all the poor worked their way up the ladder - who would be left for your neighbor to hire?

Whoever is willing to do what's asked at the price being offered of course.

 

[Avatar4321]

A more realistic question would be what would happen if the stranglehold the rich have on the economy and politics were somehow broken? If the country were run for the general benefit of all rather than just the aristocracy? This is the question that has always kept the ruling elite awake at night, wondering when at last the serfs will storm the castle. It will be very soon for them if things do not change for the better and instead continue down the same corpse littered path so many societies ruled by an untouchable elite have traveled before.

Yeah, i dont think anyone's up at night worrying about when the "serfs" will storm the castle.

Change comes from within.

 

[Avatar4321]

man oh man, that green eyed monster is going to CONSUME the op

sheesh

Sadly it gets alot of people.

 

[Avatar4321]

Does anyone on the left that is posting in this thread understand the concept of "capitalism"?

If so, explain what it means to you....because from what I'm reading, it doesn't sound like what capitalism actually is.

It sounds like they think other people are forcing them to pay them for good and services they want.

 

[Avatar4321]

Imagine a rich guy.

He owns a mansion on a huge plot.

Everyday he wakes up, goes to work, works 15 hours, comes home, eats, goes to sleep. He works very hard. Makes a ton of money.


One day all the poor and lower middle class disappear.

All of a sudden our rich man has to
...clean his own house
...cut his own grass
...cook his own food
...change his own oil
...replace his own alternator
...repair his own broken window
...shovel his own snow
...iron his own clothes
...wash his own laundry


In short - do a lot of the things that ordinary people have to do on their own - except he has to do it much more because he's got a much bigger house - leaving less
time for him to do the job that makes him wealthy. In fact - with a home 5-10 X bigger than most Americans, its doubtful he'll have any time left over for work at all.

So what happens? Does his sacrifice time at work? Does his downsize his mansion to a more manageable living area? Or does he just let everything go to shit?

Any ideas?

Yes, but without parasites like you, the rich man has three times as much wealth (half doesn't get taken in taxes to support you parasites, and another large chunk is saved by doing his own yard word).

By the way, I love how you parasites act like you're doing the wealthy a favor and that they owe you.

One last thing, by your own REALLY DUMB "logic", what do parasites like you do without the wealthy? They pay the taxes that provide your food stamps. They pay the taxes that provide your subsidized housing. It's wealthy physicians who provide the healthcare for ALL of us.

You really need to see a mental health professional. Your jealousy of those who are more successful is just disturbing.

The wealthy do owe the people who work for them for the work they do. And they pay them the money they agreed upon. Otherwise, no one would work for them.

I dont really see how they conclude that this is unjust.

 

[Avatar4321]

The need is not 50/50. The gardener needs the rich man a hell of a lot more than the rich guy needs the gardener.

You must be posting from a homeless shelter. Because, it's incredible that anyone as stupid as you could keep a job or a roof over his head. The gardener can grow his own food. The rich man would starve without the gardener. The gardener is a producer. The rich man is practically a pure consumer, fucktard.

Growing flowers and bushes really doesnt produce much food.

BTW. Anyone can garden. It doesnt take much to place a seed in the ground and watch it grow. Though it might take patience and intelligence to do it effciently and reap greater benefits.

 

[Avatar4321]

The implication of the Opening Post is that the rich guy couldn't survive without his gardener, which is one of the funniest posts to come down the pike in a long time.

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What would he do with his garden without his gardener?

gee.....do it himself?.....

What a radical idea. Or he might hire someone else.

Not sure why creating a job is a bad idea to the OP.

 

[Harry Dresden]

What is the point of the post? Just who is it that says we should get rid of the Poor? I mean WTF lol.

The majority of the right wing believes they serve no function whatsoever in society.

They don't even value them for the cheap labor.

The majority of the right wing believes they serve no function whatsoever in society.

really?....the Majority you say?....but yet you say they hire them to do those jobs you listed....if they believe they serve no function in society,why would they then hire them to do those jobs?....

 

[AmyNation]

We live in a community, if all the poor disappeared one day, then we would simply refine poor, and everyone would shuffle down. Same if all the rich disappeared, what we consider rich would change and those left would fill the void. This is America, we don't have a caste system. You can move up and down the ladder.

 

[Harry Dresden]

And he does all the grass cutting himself I suppose, without hiring out to any ordinary folk.

Impressive he's able to get wealthy like that.

He does the cutting and has a team of other guys working on the other things. They too, can get the education and work themselves up the way he did and provide competition for him some day!

And if all the poor worked their way up the ladder - who would be left for your neighbor to hire?

read post 54.....

 

[BillyV]

A more realistic question would be what would happen if the stranglehold the rich have on the economy and politics were somehow broken? If the country were run for the general benefit of all rather than just the aristocracy? This is the question that has always kept the ruling elite awake at night, wondering when at last the serfs will storm the castle. It will be very soon for them if things do not change for the better and instead continue down the same corpse littered path so many societies ruled by an untouchable elite have traveled before.

Yes, but the problem with your logic is seated in the idea that we have an “aristocracy” in the US, when what we really have is a “meritocracy”. How do people get rich? They make something from nothing. Sometimes they get rich by spending years in medical or law school, or by thinking of a new idea or invention, or by taking a new approach to running things that already exist to reduce the cost of production, and yes, sometimes through simple dumb luck. But even those who have profited from luck had to put themselves into a position to be lucky, having a business in place which profited from some lucky change in circumstances. No one is handed wealth in this country except perhaps by their wealthy parents, who earned it by doing one of the things listed, and as often as not those that inherit don’t manage to hang on to it; surely you’ve heard the phrase “shirtsleeves to shirtsleeves in three generations”. Sometimes it doesn’t take that long; sports figures who earn huge amounts of money are often penniless within a couple of years after their stardom fades. The “passive” investors that you seem to regard as the idle rich can and often do lose their wealth, if they aren’t smart about what they do. They are rewarded for choosing the most efficiently run companies in which to invest, and penalized for choosing those less efficient; this is good for the economy as a whole, driving down prices and creating more wealth. The poor and middle class have the same chance to work their way up if they are willing to do what it takes; the class you are born into is not a life sentence unless you refuse to participate, and instead decide that your lot in life is the result of the existence of the "evil rich".

 

[Ernie S.]

Imagine a rich guy.

He owns a mansion on a huge plot.

Everyday he wakes up, goes to work, works 15 hours, comes home, eats, goes to sleep. He works very hard. Makes a ton of money.


One day all the poor and lower middle class disappear.

All of a sudden our rich man has to
...clean his own house
...cut his own grass
...cook his own food
...change his own oil
...replace his own alternator
...repair his own broken window
...shovel his own snow
...iron his own clothes
...wash his own laundry


In short - do a lot of the things that ordinary people have to do on their own - except he has to do it much more because he's got a much bigger house - leaving less
time for him to do the job that makes him wealthy. In fact - with a home 5-10 X bigger than most Americans, its doubtful he'll have any time left over for work at all.

So what happens? Does his sacrifice time at work? Does his downsize his mansion to a more manageable living area? Or does he just let everything go to shit?

Any ideas?

Depending on what is job was, with all the poor and lower middle classes gone.
He may have a lot of spare time. So the 15 hours of work may not be necessary anymore.

Oh, right, if the poor and middle class disappeared, I guess the wealthy would just sit around and do nothing while magical fairies plowed the fields.

No I'd hire some rich guy that wasn't quite as rich as me.

In your scenario, what happened to the poor and middle class?
Did us rich bastards lynch them all? Did we force them all to eat dog food and they died of mange? Or did we force them out into the cold and they froze to death?

Come on guy. What happened to the poor folks.

Oh, define "rich".

 

[Harry Dresden]

What would he do with his garden without his gardener?

gee.....do it himself?.....

What a radical idea. Or he might hire someone else.

Not sure why creating a job is a bad idea to the OP.

not sure why he thinks so many rich people are helpless.....

 

[Charles_Main]

gee.....do it himself?.....

What a radical idea. Or he might hire someone else.

Not sure why creating a job is a bad idea to the OP.

not sure why he thinks so many rich people are helpless.....

Come on Earlier he suggested they Build their Own Sun Rooms, and Install their Own Metal Roofs, Both of which Require Licenses, and Insurance, and Complying with Regulations, and Codes that the Average Person knows nothing about. I don't Care how Rich or Poor you are, the Average person does not have the Know How, and Ability to do these things for themselves, and Comply with all the Rules.

 

[Avatar4321]

Come on Earlier he suggested they Build their Own Sun Rooms, and Install their Own Metal Roofs, Both of which Require Licenses, and Insurance, and Complying with Regulations, and Codes that the Average Person knows nothing about. I don't Care how Rich or Poor you are, the Average person does not have the Know How, and Ability to do these things for themselves, and Comply with all the Rules.

Please. With the poor and the middle class gone, there would be no regulations. The rich could do whatever they wanted. Dont need to be to code. Of course, self interest would keep them from building something dangerous.

 

[whitehall]

Imagine a rich guy.

He owns a mansion on a huge plot.

Everyday he wakes up, goes to work, works 15 hours, comes home, eats, goes to sleep. He works very hard. Makes a ton of money.


One day all the poor and lower middle class disappear.

All of a sudden our rich man has to
...clean his own house
...cut his own grass
...cook his own food
...change his own oil
...replace his own alternator
...repair his own broken window
...shovel his own snow
...iron his own clothes
...wash his own laundry


In short - do a lot of the things that ordinary people have to do on their own - except he has to do it much more because he's got a much bigger house - leaving less
time for him to do the job that makes him wealthy. In fact - with a home 5-10 X bigger than most Americans, its doubtful he'll have any time left over for work at all.

So what happens? Does his sacrifice time at work? Does his downsize his mansion to a more manageable living area? Or does he just let everything go to shit?

Any ideas?

Somehow I get the impression that the radical left posters might be like 16 years old and have no concept or perspective of history. LBJ was a democrat and he created the biggest government spending program in history. The "war on poverty" was supposed to be the solution but it turned out to be the problem. LBJ's war on poverty achieved it's objective at the cost of trillions of dollars in federal programs that are still in effect after almost 50 years. Black people are still in poverty but they depend on the federal government rather than the family structure.

 

[Erand7899]

Both Groups need Each other. What I am telling you is with out that Rich Man wanting a Sun room, and not wanting to Build it himself, I would be out of a Job.

The middle-class don't need the rich. Middle-class people living in homes that someone built and many of them add sun rooms. So, construction people will still have jobs.

No doubt, you are pleased with rich people paying you lots of money for sun rooms. But, you're a fool if you doubt their wealth comes off of your back, and the backs of your neighbors.

So, you believe that a rich man buying a thousand shares of General Motors stock is taking from you and your neighbors? How about the one buying $100,000 worth of bonds to help your community build a road? Is he taking from you?

Does the man who mortgages his house to the hilt, takes out all his savings, borrows more from friends or relatives, and opens a grocery in your neighborhood, take from you? When he hires your neighbors, does he take from you?

What you actually believe, is if that man becomes successful, and makes money, you are somehow entitled to a share of it.