How long will Ukraine exist?

[zaangalewa]

There have never been a state of Ukraine untill disintegration of USSR, i. e. present state is not only artificial, but also was created by a coincidence, a whim of history.

And it is already a failed state, which gallops to own disappearance.

In the moment if disintegration of the USSR it had GDP per capita bigger than in Russia ( now - 1/3 of Russian, it had population of 52 mln (now hardly 35, more likely less) and decreasing fast.

Worst level of life in Europe, biggest spread of deseases, etc etc, an average African country.

All this is a result of anti-Russian elite being determined on cutting any ties with Russia, which is preconditiin of keeping own power.

Self destruction of Ukraine culminated in 2014, when US and EU sponsored Nazi coup accelerated deindustrialization and disintegration of Ukraine, having started civil war there.

Present Nazi regime seem to be going to start a war with Russia, or to be orecize - the US is going to start a proxi war with Russia by Ukrainian hands.

This is obviously going to end with annihilation of Ukraine.

But how soon and what will remain of Ukraine?

Will Russia reunite the whole if Ukraine with itself?
Will Poland, Hungary and Romania take lands they had before WWII?

Will anything be left as some US protectorate? Or Russian protectorate? Or a chaotic Wild field?...

Anyway, the war seems to be inevitable, the US has no other way to "contain" Russia even for some period of time..

Most states are "artificial". Russia started life in Kiev. The Russ are from modern day Sweden.

It makes no difference if they're artificial or not.

it makes difference, artificial states are not a result of long historic process, they have not passed tough exams of History which tested their ability to live, locals may not have skills and mentality required to keep the state united.

summing up - artificial states are not self sustainable in long term.

like post British Imperial India - immediately broke up to India, Pakistan and Bangladesh.


As for Ukraine - Ukrainians are extreme nationalists, they are used to be a minority, a cherished and appeased by Russians in USSR.

And having acquaired an own state instead of tolerance to minorities they immediatelly started supressing them, which finally led to civil war and will lead to further disintegration.

Sooner it will happen bettsr it will be for all, including Ukrainians themselves.

Well, I disagree, because all states have been artificial at one point or another.

Not so the Bohemians - for example - who had partially lived "since ever" in Bohemia and were displaced and wiped out from the allies of world war 2. Not the only crime the allies had done during world war 2. So if you can do crimes together - what about the idea to live in peace together?

 

[frigidweirdo]

There have never been a state of Ukraine untill disintegration of USSR, i. e. present state is not only artificial, but also was created by a coincidence, a whim of history.

And it is already a failed state, which gallops to own disappearance.

In the moment if disintegration of the USSR it had GDP per capita bigger than in Russia ( now - 1/3 of Russian, it had population of 52 mln (now hardly 35, more likely less) and decreasing fast.

Worst level of life in Europe, biggest spread of deseases, etc etc, an average African country.

All this is a result of anti-Russian elite being determined on cutting any ties with Russia, which is preconditiin of keeping own power.

Self destruction of Ukraine culminated in 2014, when US and EU sponsored Nazi coup accelerated deindustrialization and disintegration of Ukraine, having started civil war there.

Present Nazi regime seem to be going to start a war with Russia, or to be orecize - the US is going to start a proxi war with Russia by Ukrainian hands.

This is obviously going to end with annihilation of Ukraine.

But how soon and what will remain of Ukraine?

Will Russia reunite the whole if Ukraine with itself?
Will Poland, Hungary and Romania take lands they had before WWII?

Will anything be left as some US protectorate? Or Russian protectorate? Or a chaotic Wild field?...

Anyway, the war seems to be inevitable, the US has no other way to "contain" Russia even for some period of time..

Most states are "artificial". Russia started life in Kiev. The Russ are from modern day Sweden.

It makes no difference if they're artificial or not.

it makes difference, artificial states are not a result of long historic process, they have not passed tough exams of History which tested their ability to live, locals may not have skills and mentality required to keep the state united.

summing up - artificial states are not self sustainable in long term.

like post British Imperial India - immediately broke up to India, Pakistan and Bangladesh.


As for Ukraine - Ukrainians are extreme nationalists, they are used to be a minority, a cherished and appeased by Russians in USSR.

And having acquaired an own state instead of tolerance to minorities they immediatelly started supressing them, which finally led to civil war and will lead to further disintegration.

Sooner it will happen bettsr it will be for all, including Ukrainians themselves.

Well, I disagree, because all states have been artificial at one point or another.

Not so the Bohemians - for example - who had partially lived "since ever" in Bohemia and were displaced and wiped out from the allies of world war 2.

Well, take the UK for example. When the Romans turned up, the Celts (maybe) were the natives there, Boudicca and all that. Then the Angles and the Saxons turned up and (maybe) displaced the Celts (or maybe intermingled) and then the Normans turned up.

All "artificial". But who did the Celts displace? Perhaps there were people there before. So, the Celts could have been "artificial", unless of course this isn't seen as "artificial".


Then again, go back 1 million years and it was Dave the angry T-Rex roaming around, and he got put in a displacement camp by Cunty the Comet.

 

[zaangalewa]

There have never been a state of Ukraine untill disintegration of USSR, i. e. present state is not only artificial, but also was created by a coincidence, a whim of history.

And it is already a failed state, which gallops to own disappearance.

In the moment if disintegration of the USSR it had GDP per capita bigger than in Russia ( now - 1/3 of Russian, it had population of 52 mln (now hardly 35, more likely less) and decreasing fast.

Worst level of life in Europe, biggest spread of deseases, etc etc, an average African country.

All this is a result of anti-Russian elite being determined on cutting any ties with Russia, which is preconditiin of keeping own power.

Self destruction of Ukraine culminated in 2014, when US and EU sponsored Nazi coup accelerated deindustrialization and disintegration of Ukraine, having started civil war there.

Present Nazi regime seem to be going to start a war with Russia, or to be orecize - the US is going to start a proxi war with Russia by Ukrainian hands.

This is obviously going to end with annihilation of Ukraine.

But how soon and what will remain of Ukraine?

Will Russia reunite the whole if Ukraine with itself?
Will Poland, Hungary and Romania take lands they had before WWII?

Will anything be left as some US protectorate? Or Russian protectorate? Or a chaotic Wild field?...

Anyway, the war seems to be inevitable, the US has no other way to "contain" Russia even for some period of time..

Most states are "artificial". Russia started life in Kiev. The Russ are from modern day Sweden.

It makes no difference if they're artificial or not.

it makes difference, artificial states are not a result of long historic process, they have not passed tough exams of History which tested their ability to live, locals may not have skills and mentality required to keep the state united.

summing up - artificial states are not self sustainable in long term.

like post British Imperial India - immediately broke up to India, Pakistan and Bangladesh.


As for Ukraine - Ukrainians are extreme nationalists, they are used to be a minority, a cherished and appeased by Russians in USSR.

And having acquaired an own state instead of tolerance to minorities they immediatelly started supressing them, which finally led to civil war and will lead to further disintegration.

Sooner it will happen bettsr it will be for all, including Ukrainians themselves.

Well, I disagree, because all states have been artificial at one point or another.

Not so the Bohemians - for example - who had partially lived "since ever" in Bohemia and were displaced and wiped out from the allies of world war 2.

Well, take the UK for example. ...

No. Philip Babenberger died and I found out that this moved me much more than I ever thought while he lived.

 

[frigidweirdo]

There have never been a state of Ukraine untill disintegration of USSR, i. e. present state is not only artificial, but also was created by a coincidence, a whim of history.

And it is already a failed state, which gallops to own disappearance.

In the moment if disintegration of the USSR it had GDP per capita bigger than in Russia ( now - 1/3 of Russian, it had population of 52 mln (now hardly 35, more likely less) and decreasing fast.

Worst level of life in Europe, biggest spread of deseases, etc etc, an average African country.

All this is a result of anti-Russian elite being determined on cutting any ties with Russia, which is preconditiin of keeping own power.

Self destruction of Ukraine culminated in 2014, when US and EU sponsored Nazi coup accelerated deindustrialization and disintegration of Ukraine, having started civil war there.

Present Nazi regime seem to be going to start a war with Russia, or to be orecize - the US is going to start a proxi war with Russia by Ukrainian hands.

This is obviously going to end with annihilation of Ukraine.

But how soon and what will remain of Ukraine?

Will Russia reunite the whole if Ukraine with itself?
Will Poland, Hungary and Romania take lands they had before WWII?

Will anything be left as some US protectorate? Or Russian protectorate? Or a chaotic Wild field?...

Anyway, the war seems to be inevitable, the US has no other way to "contain" Russia even for some period of time..

Most states are "artificial". Russia started life in Kiev. The Russ are from modern day Sweden.

It makes no difference if they're artificial or not.

it makes difference, artificial states are not a result of long historic process, they have not passed tough exams of History which tested their ability to live, locals may not have skills and mentality required to keep the state united.

summing up - artificial states are not self sustainable in long term.

like post British Imperial India - immediately broke up to India, Pakistan and Bangladesh.


As for Ukraine - Ukrainians are extreme nationalists, they are used to be a minority, a cherished and appeased by Russians in USSR.

And having acquaired an own state instead of tolerance to minorities they immediatelly started supressing them, which finally led to civil war and will lead to further disintegration.

Sooner it will happen bettsr it will be for all, including Ukrainians themselves.

Well, I disagree, because all states have been artificial at one point or another.

Not so the Bohemians - for example - who had partially lived "since ever" in Bohemia and were displaced and wiped out from the allies of world war 2.

Well, take the UK for example.

No.

Is that a "no" to you being in the wet t-shirt contest?

 

[zaangalewa]

... Then again, go back 1 million years and it was Dave the angry T-Rex roaming around, and he got put in a displacement camp by Cunty the Comet.

65 million years - and I fear the mass extinction which this comet had caused - what was no crime from the allies in/and after world war 2 and has nothing to do with the solution of political problems - is not the full explanation why all Dinosauri had died out and not only the same percentage had died out as from all other species.

 

[zaangalewa]

There have never been a state of Ukraine untill disintegration of USSR, i. e. present state is not only artificial, but also was created by a coincidence, a whim of history.

And it is already a failed state, which gallops to own disappearance.

In the moment if disintegration of the USSR it had GDP per capita bigger than in Russia ( now - 1/3 of Russian, it had population of 52 mln (now hardly 35, more likely less) and decreasing fast.

Worst level of life in Europe, biggest spread of deseases, etc etc, an average African country.

All this is a result of anti-Russian elite being determined on cutting any ties with Russia, which is preconditiin of keeping own power.

Self destruction of Ukraine culminated in 2014, when US and EU sponsored Nazi coup accelerated deindustrialization and disintegration of Ukraine, having started civil war there.

Present Nazi regime seem to be going to start a war with Russia, or to be orecize - the US is going to start a proxi war with Russia by Ukrainian hands.

This is obviously going to end with annihilation of Ukraine.

But how soon and what will remain of Ukraine?

Will Russia reunite the whole if Ukraine with itself?
Will Poland, Hungary and Romania take lands they had before WWII?

Will anything be left as some US protectorate? Or Russian protectorate? Or a chaotic Wild field?...

Anyway, the war seems to be inevitable, the US has no other way to "contain" Russia even for some period of time..

Most states are "artificial". Russia started life in Kiev. The Russ are from modern day Sweden.

It makes no difference if they're artificial or not.

it makes difference, artificial states are not a result of long historic process, they have not passed tough exams of History which tested their ability to live, locals may not have skills and mentality required to keep the state united.

summing up - artificial states are not self sustainable in long term.

like post British Imperial India - immediately broke up to India, Pakistan and Bangladesh.


As for Ukraine - Ukrainians are extreme nationalists, they are used to be a minority, a cherished and appeased by Russians in USSR.

And having acquaired an own state instead of tolerance to minorities they immediatelly started supressing them, which finally led to civil war and will lead to further disintegration.

Sooner it will happen bettsr it will be for all, including Ukrainians themselves.

Well, I disagree, because all states have been artificial at one point or another.

Not so the Bohemians - for example - who had partially lived "since ever" in Bohemia and were displaced and wiped out from the allies of world war 2.

Well, take the UK for example.

No.

Is that a "no" to you being in the wet t-shirt contest?

Read again what I wrote.

 

[frigidweirdo]

... Then again, go back 1 million years and it was Dave the angry T-Rex roaming around, and he got put in a displacement camp by Cunty the Comet.

65 million years - and I fear the mass extinction which this Comet had caused - what was no crime from the allies in/and after world war 2 and has nothing to do with the solution of political problems - is not the full explanation why all Dinosauri had died out and not only the same percentage had died out as from all other species.

The issue here is one of what is "artificial" or not when it comes to the make up of countries.

I seriously hope you know that this isn't a cue to start talking about dinosaurs....

 

[Siberian]

There have never been a state of Ukraine untill disintegration of USSR, i. e. present state is not only artificial, but also was created by a coincidence, a whim of history.

And it is already a failed state, which gallops to own disappearance.

In the moment if disintegration of the USSR it had GDP per capita bigger than in Russia ( now - 1/3 of Russian, it had population of 52 mln (now hardly 35, more likely less) and decreasing fast.

Worst level of life in Europe, biggest spread of deseases, etc etc, an average African country.

All this is a result of anti-Russian elite being determined on cutting any ties with Russia, which is preconditiin of keeping own power.

Self destruction of Ukraine culminated in 2014, when US and EU sponsored Nazi coup accelerated deindustrialization and disintegration of Ukraine, having started civil war there.

Present Nazi regime seem to be going to start a war with Russia, or to be orecize - the US is going to start a proxi war with Russia by Ukrainian hands.

This is obviously going to end with annihilation of Ukraine.

But how soon and what will remain of Ukraine?

Will Russia reunite the whole if Ukraine with itself?
Will Poland, Hungary and Romania take lands they had before WWII?

Will anything be left as some US protectorate? Or Russian protectorate? Or a chaotic Wild field?...

Anyway, the war seems to be inevitable, the US has no other way to "contain" Russia even for some period of time..

Most states are "artificial". Russia started life in Kiev. The Russ are from modern day Sweden.

It makes no difference if they're artificial or not.

it makes difference, artificial states are not a result of long historic process, they have not passed tough exams of History which tested their ability to live, locals may not have skills and mentality required to keep the state united.

summing up - artificial states are not self sustainable in long term.

like post British Imperial India - immediately broke up to India, Pakistan and Bangladesh.


As for Ukraine - Ukrainians are extreme nationalists, they are used to be a minority, a cherished and appeased by Russians in USSR.

And having acquaired an own state instead of tolerance to minorities they immediatelly started supressing them, which finally led to civil war and will lead to further disintegration.

Sooner it will happen bettsr it will be for all, including Ukrainians themselves.

Well, I disagree, because all states have been artificial at one point or another.

lol, only if saying artificial you mean "created by humans" but not the God...

otherwise there is aa great difference between ones which were created by spin nations of these states and states created by a chance within artificial borders, like most colonies and post Soviet states, including Ukraine.

The problem with the Ukraine isn't that it's not a nation for the Ukrainian people. It's that the Russians in the Ukraine still feel Russian. Same in other former Soviet countries.

Shows the problem of countries like the USSR.

lol, and why should Russians feel not Russian if they are Russian?

I propose to include Ukraineinto Russia, maybe Ukrainians will feel Russian better and faster...

Well, the point here is one of large countries moving people around. The Soviet Union had lots of migration. A non-natural country, as you put it.

So lots of Russians ended up in what is now the Ukraine. So when independence happened, then there were a lot of issues. Same in other countries, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Kazakhstan etc etc.

a natural country - created by its people, developed from simple to complex. Like Russia.
Even modern US, a former artificial entity which all colonies are, a super-fragile country being on life support, with genocide and ethnic cleansing of indigeious people as the basis of it, with clear perspective of disintegration - is still rather natural becaused it evolved by itself from an artificial entity.

artificial country - created by external power. Like Ukraine, with artificial borders..

So, don't distort my words.

As for Ukraine - lots of Ukrainians ended up in Russia (on temporarily Ukrainian present territories) , not the opposite.
Half of Ukrainian cities are founded by Russian tsars and Imperiors - it was proper Russia, with predominantly Russian population, just Lenin decided to add some Russian industrial regions to rural undedeveloped Ukrainian regions when he was dividing Russia to Soviet republics....

There has never been Ukraine, there has been Russia. So, if we apply your approach there are no Ukrainians at all and Russia should get back most if post-Soviet republics.

Do you think Russia would be willing to let Siberia have a vote on whether to leave Russia or not?

And whether the Ukraine existed in the shape it is today, or whether it was different, or whether it had a different name, is neither here nor there.

I'm a person who thinks people should have the right to self determination. The problem comes that it should be a natural process and no one pushed by Putin. Which is exactly what is happening.

really, so you support Crimean reunification with Russia, since Crimeans (overwhelming majority of whom are Russians) voted for it in referendum... (in Kosovo, for comparison, there was no referendum)

no problem with voting in Siberia at all, most of Siberians are Russians.

I would even let Chechnya go, in any case, the only problem with it is that if left independent Chechnya immediately turns into a terrorist islamist khaliphate which exports terrorism to neigbouring Russian regions.

I would prefer just to bomb Cechnya every time it makes a single shot towards Russia, until nobody is left there, but Putin is too peaceful a person, he chose to feed them in exchange of being quiet...

 

[zaangalewa]

... Then again, go back 1 million years and it was Dave the angry T-Rex roaming around, and he got put in a displacement camp by Cunty the Comet.

65 million years - and I fear the mass extinction which this Comet had caused - what was no crime from the allies in/and after world war 2 and has nothing to do with the solution of political problems - is not the full explanation why all Dinosauri had died out and not only the same percentage had died out as from all other species.

The issue here is one of what is "artificial" or not when it comes to the make up of countries.

I seriously hope you know that this isn't a cue to start talking about dinosaurs....

You started to speak about dinosauri. I said only I don't talk about the UK as an example. And not far from here live for example some people whose ancestors had lived here 20,000 years ago in nearly the same place. I'm sure this had been the same in Bohemia. And your nation together with the Russians and others had displaced this people - and you do not feel any regret about your common crimes. But you know what's "artificial". The artificial solutions of world war 1 for example exploded and are still exploding.

 

[zaangalewa]

There have never been a state of Ukraine untill disintegration of USSR, i. e. present state is not only artificial, but also was created by a coincidence, a whim of history.

And it is already a failed state, which gallops to own disappearance.

In the moment if disintegration of the USSR it had GDP per capita bigger than in Russia ( now - 1/3 of Russian, it had population of 52 mln (now hardly 35, more likely less) and decreasing fast.

Worst level of life in Europe, biggest spread of deseases, etc etc, an average African country.

All this is a result of anti-Russian elite being determined on cutting any ties with Russia, which is preconditiin of keeping own power.

Self destruction of Ukraine culminated in 2014, when US and EU sponsored Nazi coup accelerated deindustrialization and disintegration of Ukraine, having started civil war there.

Present Nazi regime seem to be going to start a war with Russia, or to be orecize - the US is going to start a proxi war with Russia by Ukrainian hands.

This is obviously going to end with annihilation of Ukraine.

But how soon and what will remain of Ukraine?

Will Russia reunite the whole if Ukraine with itself?
Will Poland, Hungary and Romania take lands they had before WWII?

Will anything be left as some US protectorate? Or Russian protectorate? Or a chaotic Wild field?...

Anyway, the war seems to be inevitable, the US has no other way to "contain" Russia even for some period of time..

Most states are "artificial". Russia started life in Kiev. The Russ are from modern day Sweden.

It makes no difference if they're artificial or not.

it makes difference, artificial states are not a result of long historic process, they have not passed tough exams of History which tested their ability to live, locals may not have skills and mentality required to keep the state united.

summing up - artificial states are not self sustainable in long term.

like post British Imperial India - immediately broke up to India, Pakistan and Bangladesh.


As for Ukraine - Ukrainians are extreme nationalists, they are used to be a minority, a cherished and appeased by Russians in USSR.

And having acquaired an own state instead of tolerance to minorities they immediatelly started supressing them, which finally led to civil war and will lead to further disintegration.

Sooner it will happen bettsr it will be for all, including Ukrainians themselves.

Well, I disagree, because all states have been artificial at one point or another.

lol, only if saying artificial you mean "created by humans" but not the God...

otherwise there is aa great difference between ones which were created by spin nations of these states and states created by a chance within artificial borders, like most colonies and post Soviet states, including Ukraine.

The problem with the Ukraine isn't that it's not a nation for the Ukrainian people. It's that the Russians in the Ukraine still feel Russian. Same in other former Soviet countries.

Shows the problem of countries like the USSR.

lol, and why should Russians feel not Russian if they are Russian?

I propose to include Ukraineinto Russia, maybe Ukrainians will feel Russian better and faster...

Well, the point here is one of large countries moving people around. The Soviet Union had lots of migration. A non-natural country, as you put it.

So lots of Russians ended up in what is now the Ukraine. So when independence happened, then there were a lot of issues. Same in other countries, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Kazakhstan etc etc.

a natural country - created by its people, developed from simple to complex. Like Russia.
Even modern US, a former artificial entity which all colonies are, a super-fragile country being on life support, with genocide and ethnic cleansing of indigeious people as the basis of it, with clear perspective of disintegration - is still rather natural becaused it evolved by itself from an artificial entity.

artificial country - created by external power. Like Ukraine, with artificial borders..

So, don't distort my words.

As for Ukraine - lots of Ukrainians ended up in Russia (on temporarily Ukrainian present territories) , not the opposite.
Half of Ukrainian cities are founded by Russian tsars and Imperiors - it was proper Russia, with predominantly Russian population, just Lenin decided to add some Russian industrial regions to rural undedeveloped Ukrainian regions when he was dividing Russia to Soviet republics....

There has never been Ukraine, there has been Russia. So, if we apply your approach there are no Ukrainians at all and Russia should get back most if post-Soviet republics.

By the way: Because of drunkards like you Russia will die.


Do you think Russia would be willing to let Siberia have a vote on whether to leave Russia or not?

And whether the Ukraine existed in the shape it is today, or whether it was different, or whether it had a different name, is neither here nor there.

I'm a person who thinks people should have the right to self determination. The problem comes that it should be a natural process and no one pushed by Putin. Which is exactly what is happening.

really, so you support Crimean reunification with Russia, since Crimeans (overwhelming majority of whom are Russians) voted for it in referendum... (in Kosovo, for comparison, there was no referendum)

no problem with voting in Siberia at all, most of Siberians are Russians.

I would even let Chechnya go, in any case, the only problem with it is that if left independent Chechnya immediately turns into a terrorist islamist khaliphate which exports terrorism to neigbouring Russian regions.

I would prefer just to bomb Cechnya every time it makes a single shot towards Russia, until nobody is left there, but Putin is too peaceful a person, he chose to feed them in exchange of being quiet...

What do you try to do here? To convince me to have to kill Russia because you are a country full of aggressive idiots? Are you a member of an US secret service?

 

[Siberian]

... Then again, go back 1 million years and it was Dave the angry T-Rex roaming around, and he got put in a displacement camp by Cunty the Comet.

65 million years - and I fear the mass extinction which this Comet had caused - what was no crime from the allies in/and after world war 2 and has nothing to do with the solution of political problems - is not the full explanation why all Dinosauri had died out and not only the same percentage had died out as from all other species.

The issue here is one of what is "artificial" or not when it comes to the make up of countries.

I seriously hope you know that this isn't a cue to start talking about dinosaurs....

You started to speak about dinosauri. I said only I don't talk about the UK as an example. And not far from here live for example some people whose ancestors had lived here 20,000 years ago in nearly the same place. I'm sure this had been the same in Bohemia. And your nation together with the Russians and others had displaced this people - and you do not feel any regret about your common crimes. But you know what's "artificial". The artificial solutions of world war 1 for example exploded and are still exploding.

lol, if you are a Bohemian then you are most probably of German or Slavic origine.

it means
First population of Europe as Neanderthal.
Then modern man came and first population of Bohemia we have archeological evidences of - were Iberian tribes, then they were displaced by Indo-European Celtic tribes, then they were displaced by Slavic tribes, then German invasion started from Scandinavia.

So, to which invaders do you belong?

 

[Siberian]

There have never been a state of Ukraine untill disintegration of USSR, i. e. present state is not only artificial, but also was created by a coincidence, a whim of history.

And it is already a failed state, which gallops to own disappearance.

In the moment if disintegration of the USSR it had GDP per capita bigger than in Russia ( now - 1/3 of Russian, it had population of 52 mln (now hardly 35, more likely less) and decreasing fast.

Worst level of life in Europe, biggest spread of deseases, etc etc, an average African country.

All this is a result of anti-Russian elite being determined on cutting any ties with Russia, which is preconditiin of keeping own power.

Self destruction of Ukraine culminated in 2014, when US and EU sponsored Nazi coup accelerated deindustrialization and disintegration of Ukraine, having started civil war there.

Present Nazi regime seem to be going to start a war with Russia, or to be orecize - the US is going to start a proxi war with Russia by Ukrainian hands.

This is obviously going to end with annihilation of Ukraine.

But how soon and what will remain of Ukraine?

Will Russia reunite the whole if Ukraine with itself?
Will Poland, Hungary and Romania take lands they had before WWII?

Will anything be left as some US protectorate? Or Russian protectorate? Or a chaotic Wild field?...

Anyway, the war seems to be inevitable, the US has no other way to "contain" Russia even for some period of time..

Most states are "artificial". Russia started life in Kiev. The Russ are from modern day Sweden.

It makes no difference if they're artificial or not.

it makes difference, artificial states are not a result of long historic process, they have not passed tough exams of History which tested their ability to live, locals may not have skills and mentality required to keep the state united.

summing up - artificial states are not self sustainable in long term.

like post British Imperial India - immediately broke up to India, Pakistan and Bangladesh.


As for Ukraine - Ukrainians are extreme nationalists, they are used to be a minority, a cherished and appeased by Russians in USSR.

And having acquaired an own state instead of tolerance to minorities they immediatelly started supressing them, which finally led to civil war and will lead to further disintegration.

Sooner it will happen bettsr it will be for all, including Ukrainians themselves.

Well, I disagree, because all states have been artificial at one point or another.

lol, only if saying artificial you mean "created by humans" but not the God...

otherwise there is aa great difference between ones which were created by spin nations of these states and states created by a chance within artificial borders, like most colonies and post Soviet states, including Ukraine.

The problem with the Ukraine isn't that it's not a nation for the Ukrainian people. It's that the Russians in the Ukraine still feel Russian. Same in other former Soviet countries.

Shows the problem of countries like the USSR.

lol, and why should Russians feel not Russian if they are Russian?

I propose to include Ukraineinto Russia, maybe Ukrainians will feel Russian better and faster...

Well, the point here is one of large countries moving people around. The Soviet Union had lots of migration. A non-natural country, as you put it.

So lots of Russians ended up in what is now the Ukraine. So when independence happened, then there were a lot of issues. Same in other countries, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Kazakhstan etc etc.

a natural country - created by its people, developed from simple to complex. Like Russia.
Even modern US, a former artificial entity which all colonies are, a super-fragile country being on life support, with genocide and ethnic cleansing of indigeious people as the basis of it, with clear perspective of disintegration - is still rather natural becaused it evolved by itself from an artificial entity.

artificial country - created by external power. Like Ukraine, with artificial borders..

So, don't distort my words.

As for Ukraine - lots of Ukrainians ended up in Russia (on temporarily Ukrainian present territories) , not the opposite.
Half of Ukrainian cities are founded by Russian tsars and Imperiors - it was proper Russia, with predominantly Russian population, just Lenin decided to add some Russian industrial regions to rural undedeveloped Ukrainian regions when he was dividing Russia to Soviet republics....

There has never been Ukraine, there has been Russia. So, if we apply your approach there are no Ukrainians at all and Russia should get back most if post-Soviet republics.

By the way: Because of drunkards like you Russia will die.


Do you think Russia would be willing to let Siberia have a vote on whether to leave Russia or not?

And whether the Ukraine existed in the shape it is today, or whether it was different, or whether it had a different name, is neither here nor there.

I'm a person who thinks people should have the right to self determination. The problem comes that it should be a natural process and no one pushed by Putin. Which is exactly what is happening.

really, so you support Crimean reunification with Russia, since Crimeans (overwhelming majority of whom are Russians) voted for it in referendum... (in Kosovo, for comparison, there was no referendum)

no problem with voting in Siberia at all, most of Siberians are Russians.

I would even let Chechnya go, in any case, the only problem with it is that if left independent Chechnya immediately turns into a terrorist islamist khaliphate which exports terrorism to neigbouring Russian regions.

I would prefer just to bomb Cechnya every time it makes a single shot towards Russia, until nobody is left there, but Putin is too peaceful a person, he chose to feed them in exchange of being quiet...

What do you try to do here? To convince me to have to kill Russia because you are a country full of aggressive idiots? Are you a member of an US secret service?

no, my aim here is to educate illiterate people, my first target was Americans, but I see Central Europeans may need education even more

 

[Litwin]

Putin´s "Russia"(Muscovy ) in numbers , spoiler : "Nigeria with snow"

www.usmessageboard.com

this is reality of Muscovy , comments?


The territory of Russia is 17.075.260 square meters. km and mainly lies north of 55 ° N.
Approximately 85% of the territory is not suitable for permanent comfortable living of the population. permafrost (areas of Siberia and the Far East) occupies 60% of the territory of Russia, swamps and wetlands almost 22%, rivers and lakes about 4%. Another part of the land is periodically flooded, part is occupied by mountains and forests, a little under ravines, part under deserts and solonchaks.

According to the State Statistics Committee's report for 2005, in Russia 2.2 million square meters of agricultural land are cultivated or used in agriculture. km, of which only 1.2 million for arable land, 0.2 million square kilometers are occupied by settlements of all types in the country. km, for industrial facilities and for military purposes 0.2 million, for other 0.1 million.
For a happy life, the Russians still have 2.561.289 square meters. km.
This is 15% of the territory ie. real Russia is slightly larger than Sudan, but less than Kazakhstan.
Average temperatures in January, in different regions, from 0 to -50 ° C, in July from 1 to 25 ° C, precipitation falls from 150 to 2000 mm per year.
At temperatures below -5 ° C, the maintenance costs of the infrastructure with each degree below zero increase exponentially.
Snow removal in the thickness of 40 cm in St. Petersburg takes more than 30 days.


Russia accounts for less than 2% of global GDP. The main export items (according to the Federal Customs Service) are gas and oil (70%), primary metals (15%), roundwood (10%), everything else, including equipment, weapons and technology - less than 5%.

According to soil scientists, 17.8% of agricultural land is subject to water erosion, 8.4% of wind erosion, 12.3% of wetlands and wetlands occupy wetlands and wetlands, and saline soils - 20.1%.
The land, not subject to all these misfortunes, in Russia is only 0.91 million square meters. km.
The agricultural season in most of Russia is 2-3 months (in Europe or the US 8-9 months). The average annual yield of cereals in Russia (on non-chernozems) is about 17 centners, in Germany, France and Great Britain (on nonchernozem) - 70 quintals per hectare, in Sweden - 60, in Ireland - 85, in Ukraine (on chernozems) - 24 in all.

The Russian state border stretches for 58,322 km and has 424 border crossings.
The total number of settlements is 157.895, of which more than 30.000 are still without telephone communication.
Most of the 39,000 abandoned villages and settlements are in the Central Federal District, the Northwest, the Far North, Siberia and the Far East.
In Russia only 65% of housing has been gasified.
Up to 75% of Russia's food needs are covered by imports.
78.7% of Russians consider cooperation with law enforcement bodies as unacceptable.
Russia consumes more than 20% of all heroin produced in the world.
The volume of the Russian market of heroin alone is estimated at $ 13 billion annually.
Every day in Russia, 100 people die because of a drug overdose.

In 2009, 786 terrorist acts were committed in Russia. Since the beginning of 2010, already 427.
The flying time of NATO strike aviation from the borders of Estonia and Latvia to St. Petersburg does not exceed 4 minutes, to Moscow - no more than 18.

Life in Russia is satisfied with two categories of people: those who are not in the know and those who are in the share.

63% of Russians with incomes above the national average would like their children to study and work abroad.
35% want their children to live abroad permanently.
At 2.000 vacancies for janitors opened in St. Petersburg in early 2010, there were fewer than 10 applicants.
The proposed salary is 12.000 rub / month.
The increase in the cost of travel in the St. Petersburg metro since 2003 is 35% per year.
Last year, more than 50 tons of explosives were seized at Russian airports.

The average Russian consumes 18 liters of alcohol per year. According to the conclusion of UN experts, the annual consumption of 8 liters of alcohol per capita leads to a serious degradation of the population.
In Russia, a pack of cigarettes can be bought for 30 cents, a bottle of beer, which can be bought at every corner 24 hours a day, is cheaper than a bottle of drinking water.
Only 1% of the water consumed by Russians meets the world quality standards.
in Russia there are 51,230 people who were exposed to radiation as a result of the Chernobyl accident.

The State Duma and the Federation Council meet 12 billionaires, whose overall condition is estimated at 41 billion dollars.
Russia has 62 billionaires with a combined capital of $ 297 billion. Russian billionaires pay the lowest taxes in the world (13%) that their colleagues in France and Sweden (57%), in Denmark (61%) or Italy (66%) %).
26% of Russians have an outstanding loan.
143,000 people were deprived of the right to travel abroad due to problems with their debts.

According to the Rosgosstrakh CSR, in Russia the annual income is more than $ 1 million from 160,000 people, the annual income of more than $ 100,000 has 440,000 families "

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[zaangalewa]

... no, my aim here is to educate illiterate people, my first target was Americans, but I see Central Europeans may need education even more

Education? Central European? From which absurde planet comes a Russian like you, who likes to educate Germans and calls them "Central Europeans"? ...

 

[Siberian]

... no, my aim here is to educate illiterate people, my first target was Americans, but I see Central Europeans may need education even more

Education? Central European? From which absurde planet comes a Russian like you, who likes to educate Germans and calls them "Central Europeans"? ...

Since when is Bohemia not in Central Europe? though, maybe, if you recall that half of Europe is inside Russia so the whole European peninsula might be considered far West of Europe

so, you seem to be a German, the last wave if invades, as well a representatuve of a nation responsible for 2 World wars, the worst gonocides in History, a mass murder of tens of millions of people across Europe...

and you think you can lecture people here about peaceful coexistence?

 

[zaangalewa]

... First population of Europe as Neanderthal. Then modern man came and first population of Bohemia we have archeological evidences of - were Iberian tribes,

What nonsense.

then they were displaced by Indo-European Celtic tribes,

All Celts came once from the region where the Bohemians had lived and where the Bavarians still live today (and 'always' lived). The Celts were also ancestors of the Germans.

then they were displaced by Slavic tribes,

The prototype of the Slawic languages comes from the Baltic region and the Slaws were born in the middle of the first millenium in a region in the near of Kiew.

then German invasion started from Scandinavia.

What's nonsense. For example in Bohemia in the region of Prague lived Germanics about a minimum of 500 years before the first Slaws arrived there.

 

[zaangalewa]

... no, my aim here is to educate illiterate people, my first target was Americans, but I see Central Europeans may need education even more

Education? Central European? From which absurde planet comes a Russian like you, who likes to educate Germans and calls them "Central Europeans"? ...

Since when is Bohemia not in Central Europe?

Since it not exists any longer.

though, maybe, if you recall that half of Europe is inside Russia so the whole European peninsula might be considered far West of Europe

so, you seem to be a German, the last wave if invades, as well a representatuve of a nation responsible for 2 World wars, the worst gonocides in History, a mass murder of tens of millions of people across Europe...

and you think you can lecture people here about peaceful coexistence?

Germany was not responsible at all for world war 1. And world war 2 was made from Stalin and Hitler together with the Molotow Ribbentrop pact , where they had decided together in the secret part of this pact to eliminate Poland again. And "genocide" is not written "gonocide". The genocide on Jews was by the way within Germany a fratricide. And it seems to me you don't make a real difference between the mass murderer Stalin and the mass murderer Hitler. How many Russians murdered Stalin?

 

[Baron]

Putin´s "Russia"(Muscovy ) in numbers , spoiler : "Nigeria with snow"

www.usmessageboard.com

this is reality of Muscovy , comments?


The territory of Russia is 17.075.260 square meters. km and mainly lies north of 55 ° N.
Approximately 85% of the territory is not suitable for permanent comfortable living of the population. permafrost (areas of Siberia and the Far East) occupies 60% of the territory of Russia, swamps and wetlands almost 22%, rivers and lakes about 4%. Another part of the land is periodically flooded, part is occupied by mountains and forests, a little under ravines, part under deserts and solonchaks.

According to the State Statistics Committee's report for 2005, in Russia 2.2 million square meters of agricultural land are cultivated or used in agriculture. km, of which only 1.2 million for arable land, 0.2 million square kilometers are occupied by settlements of all types in the country. km, for industrial facilities and for military purposes 0.2 million, for other 0.1 million.
For a happy life, the Russians still have 2.561.289 square meters. km.
This is 15% of the territory ie. real Russia is slightly larger than Sudan, but less than Kazakhstan.
Average temperatures in January, in different regions, from 0 to -50 ° C, in July from 1 to 25 ° C, precipitation falls from 150 to 2000 mm per year.
At temperatures below -5 ° C, the maintenance costs of the infrastructure with each degree below zero increase exponentially.
Snow removal in the thickness of 40 cm in St. Petersburg takes more than 30 days.


Russia accounts for less than 2% of global GDP. The main export items (according to the Federal Customs Service) are gas and oil (70%), primary metals (15%), roundwood (10%), everything else, including equipment, weapons and technology - less than 5%.

According to soil scientists, 17.8% of agricultural land is subject to water erosion, 8.4% of wind erosion, 12.3% of wetlands and wetlands occupy wetlands and wetlands, and saline soils - 20.1%.
The land, not subject to all these misfortunes, in Russia is only 0.91 million square meters. km.
The agricultural season in most of Russia is 2-3 months (in Europe or the US 8-9 months). The average annual yield of cereals in Russia (on non-chernozems) is about 17 centners, in Germany, France and Great Britain (on nonchernozem) - 70 quintals per hectare, in Sweden - 60, in Ireland - 85, in Ukraine (on chernozems) - 24 in all.

The Russian state border stretches for 58,322 km and has 424 border crossings.
The total number of settlements is 157.895, of which more than 30.000 are still without telephone communication.
Most of the 39,000 abandoned villages and settlements are in the Central Federal District, the Northwest, the Far North, Siberia and the Far East.
In Russia only 65% of housing has been gasified.
Up to 75% of Russia's food needs are covered by imports.
78.7% of Russians consider cooperation with law enforcement bodies as unacceptable.
Russia consumes more than 20% of all heroin produced in the world.
The volume of the Russian market of heroin alone is estimated at $ 13 billion annually.
Every day in Russia, 100 people die because of a drug overdose.

In 2009, 786 terrorist acts were committed in Russia. Since the beginning of 2010, already 427.
The flying time of NATO strike aviation from the borders of Estonia and Latvia to St. Petersburg does not exceed 4 minutes, to Moscow - no more than 18.

Life in Russia is satisfied with two categories of people: those who are not in the know and those who are in the share.

63% of Russians with incomes above the national average would like their children to study and work abroad.
35% want their children to live abroad permanently.
At 2.000 vacancies for janitors opened in St. Petersburg in early 2010, there were fewer than 10 applicants.
The proposed salary is 12.000 rub / month.
The increase in the cost of travel in the St. Petersburg metro since 2003 is 35% per year.
Last year, more than 50 tons of explosives were seized at Russian airports.

The average Russian consumes 18 liters of alcohol per year. According to the conclusion of UN experts, the annual consumption of 8 liters of alcohol per capita leads to a serious degradation of the population.
In Russia, a pack of cigarettes can be bought for 30 cents, a bottle of beer, which can be bought at every corner 24 hours a day, is cheaper than a bottle of drinking water.
Only 1% of the water consumed by Russians meets the world quality standards.
in Russia there are 51,230 people who were exposed to radiation as a result of the Chernobyl accident.

The State Duma and the Federation Council meet 12 billionaires, whose overall condition is estimated at 41 billion dollars.
Russia has 62 billionaires with a combined capital of $ 297 billion. Russian billionaires pay the lowest taxes in the world (13%) that their colleagues in France and Sweden (57%), in Denmark (61%) or Italy (66%) %).
26% of Russians have an outstanding loan.
143,000 people were deprived of the right to travel abroad due to problems with their debts.

According to the Rosgosstrakh CSR, in Russia the annual income is more than $ 1 million from 160,000 people, the annual income of more than $ 100,000 has 440,000 families "

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... no, my aim here is to educate illiterate people, my first target was Americans, but I see Central Europeans may need education even more

Education? Central European? From which absurde planet comes a Russian like you, who likes to educate Germans and calls them "Central Europeans"? ...

Since when is Bohemia not in Central Europe?

Since it not exists any longer.

though, maybe, if you recall that half of Europe is inside Russia so the whole European peninsula might be considered far West of Europe

so, you seem to be a German, the last wave if invades, as well a representatuve of a nation responsible for 2 World wars, the worst gonocides in History, a mass murder of tens of millions of people across Europe...

and you think you can lecture people here about peaceful coexistence?

Germany was not responsible at all for world war 1. And world war 2 was made from Stalin and Hitler together with the Molotow Ribbentrop pact , where they had decided together in the secret part of this pact to eliminate Poland again. And "genocide" is not written "gonocide". The genocide on Jews was by the way within Germany a fratricide. And it seems to me you don't make a real difference between the mass murderer Stalin and the mass murderer Hitler. How many Russians murdered Stalin?

Stalin didn't murdered Russians, he sent to Hell some butchers ( unfortunately not all ) and sadistic killers of Russian people.
You moan about murdered by Hitler Jews.
Why you didn't moan about murdered by Jews Russians?

 

[Baron]

... no, my aim here is to educate illiterate people, my first target was Americans, but I see Central Europeans may need education even more

Education? Central European? From which absurde planet comes a Russian like you, who likes to educate Germans and calls them "Central Europeans"? ...

Since when is Bohemia not in Central Europe? though, maybe, if you recall that half of Europe is inside Russia so the whole European peninsula might be considered far West of Europe

so, you seem to be a German, the last wave if invades, as well a representatuve of a nation responsible for 2 World wars, the worst gonocides in History, a mass murder of tens of millions of people across Europe...

and you think you can lecture people here about peaceful coexistence?

The Merkel's Germany is the enemy of Russia # 5 ( after USA, Poland, Baltic dwarfs and Ukraine ).
Don't waste your time for empty discussions, you can change nothing.
Forget Europe except Belarus and Ukraine ( its East part ), the future of Russia is an union with China.
What Russia receives from idiotic discussions with EU?
Nothing.
Russia shall stop any relation with any European country except Serbia and probably two aforementioned and concentrate itself to improve bounds with Asian and Arabic countries.
I can't understand why Putin still have relations with EU and its organizations.

 

[Baron]

... no, my aim here is to educate illiterate people, my first target was Americans, but I see Central Europeans may need education even more

Education? Central European? From which absurde planet comes a Russian like you, who likes to educate Germans and calls them "Central Europeans"? ...

Of course Russians are dumb and stupid animals for Germans, creatures of the fourth sort.
Say thank to friggin and corrupted faggot Putin for erecting of North Stream 2.
He shall sell gas to China and not to those who consider Russians as cockroaches.

Hopefully after gang of Putin gotta go the new national Russian government will immediately stop any relation with Russian old enemy Germany.
And Putin's propaganda MSM shall sometimes print articles from German newspapers about Russian people.
Russians will be glad to know about the true opinion of their 'friends'

Russia has only two friends: its army and China