How long will Ukraine exist?

[Siberian]

There has never been a state of Ukraine in History untill disintegration of USSR, and not without reason.
Present state is not only artificial, but also was created by a coincidence, a whim of history and as we see is not self-sustainable.

And it is already a failed state, which gallops to own disappearance.

In the moment of disintegration of the USSR it had GDP per capita bigger than in Russia (now - 1/3 of Russian one, it had population of 52 mln (now hardly 35, more likely less) and decreasing fast.

Worst level of life in Europe, biggest spread of deseases, etc etc, an average African country.

All this is a result of anti-Russian elite being determined on cutting any ties with Russia, which is precondition of keeping their power.

Self destruction of Ukraine culminated in 2014, when US and EU sponsored Nazi coup accelerated deindustrialization and disintegration of Ukraine, having started civil war there.

Present Nazi regime seems to be going to start a war with Russia, or to be precise - the US is going to start a proxi war with Russia by Ukrainian hands.

This is obviously going to end with annihilation of Ukraine.

But how soon and what will remain of Ukraine?

Will Russia reunite the whole of Ukraine with itself?
Will Poland, Hungary and Romania take lands they had before WWII?

Will anything be left as some US protectorate? Or Russian protectorate? Or a chaotic Wild field?...

Anyway, the war seems to be inevitable, the US has no other way to "contain" Russia even for some period of time..

 

[frigidweirdo]

There have never been a state of Ukraine untill disintegration of USSR, i. e. present state is not only artificial, but also was created by a coincidence, a whim of history.

And it is already a failed state, which gallops to own disappearance.

In the moment if disintegration of the USSR it had GDP per capita bigger than in Russia ( now - 1/3 of Russian, it had population of 52 mln (now hardly 35, more likely less) and decreasing fast.

Worst level of life in Europe, biggest spread of deseases, etc etc, an average African country.

All this is a result of anti-Russian elite being determined on cutting any ties with Russia, which is preconditiin of keeping own power.

Self destruction of Ukraine culminated in 2014, when US and EU sponsored Nazi coup accelerated deindustrialization and disintegration of Ukraine, having started civil war there.

Present Nazi regime seem to be going to start a war with Russia, or to be orecize - the US is going to start a proxi war with Russia by Ukrainian hands.

This is obviously going to end with annihilation of Ukraine.

But how soon and what will remain of Ukraine?

Will Russia reunite the whole if Ukraine with itself?
Will Poland, Hungary and Romania take lands they had before WWII?

Will anything be left as some US protectorate? Or Russian protectorate? Or a chaotic Wild field?...

Anyway, the war seems to be inevitable, the US has no other way to "contain" Russia even for some period of time..

Most states are "artificial". Russia started life in Kiev. The Russ are from modern day Sweden.

It makes no difference if they're artificial or not.

 

[occupied]

Longer than Putin if he keeps trying to rebuild the Soviet Union.

 

[Siberian]

There have never been a state of Ukraine untill disintegration of USSR, i. e. present state is not only artificial, but also was created by a coincidence, a whim of history.

And it is already a failed state, which gallops to own disappearance.

In the moment if disintegration of the USSR it had GDP per capita bigger than in Russia ( now - 1/3 of Russian, it had population of 52 mln (now hardly 35, more likely less) and decreasing fast.

Worst level of life in Europe, biggest spread of deseases, etc etc, an average African country.

All this is a result of anti-Russian elite being determined on cutting any ties with Russia, which is preconditiin of keeping own power.

Self destruction of Ukraine culminated in 2014, when US and EU sponsored Nazi coup accelerated deindustrialization and disintegration of Ukraine, having started civil war there.

Present Nazi regime seem to be going to start a war with Russia, or to be orecize - the US is going to start a proxi war with Russia by Ukrainian hands.

This is obviously going to end with annihilation of Ukraine.

But how soon and what will remain of Ukraine?

Will Russia reunite the whole if Ukraine with itself?
Will Poland, Hungary and Romania take lands they had before WWII?

Will anything be left as some US protectorate? Or Russian protectorate? Or a chaotic Wild field?...

Anyway, the war seems to be inevitable, the US has no other way to "contain" Russia even for some period of time..

Most states are "artificial". Russia started life in Kiev. The Russ are from modern day Sweden.

It makes no difference if they're artificial or not.

it makes difference, artificial states are not a result of long historic process, they have not passed tough exams of History which tested their ability to live, locals may not have skills and mentality required to keep the state united.

summing up - artificial states are not self sustainable in long term.

like post British Imperial India - immediately broke up to India, Pakistan and Bangladesh.


As for Ukraine - Ukrainians are extreme nationalists, they are used to be a minority, a cherished and appeased by Russians in USSR.

And having acquaired an own state instead of tolerance to minorities they immediatelly started supressing them, which finally led to civil war and will lead to further disintegration.

Sooner it will happen bettsr it will be for all, including Ukrainians themselves.

 

[Taz]

There has never been a state of Ukraine in History untill disintegration of USSR, and not without reason.
Present state is not only artificial, but also was created by a coincidence, a whim of history and as we see is not self-sustainable.

And it is already a failed state, which gallops to own disappearance.

In the moment of disintegration of the USSR it had GDP per capita bigger than in Russia (now - 1/3 of Russian one, it had population of 52 mln (now hardly 35, more likely less) and decreasing fast.

Worst level of life in Europe, biggest spread of deseases, etc etc, an average African country.

All this is a result of anti-Russian elite being determined on cutting any ties with Russia, which is precondition of keeping their power.

Self destruction of Ukraine culminated in 2014, when US and EU sponsored Nazi coup accelerated deindustrialization and disintegration of Ukraine, having started civil war there.

Present Nazi regime seems to be going to start a war with Russia, or to be precise - the US is going to start a proxi war with Russia by Ukrainian hands.

This is obviously going to end with annihilation of Ukraine.

But how soon and what will remain of Ukraine?

Will Russia reunite the whole of Ukraine with itself?
Will Poland, Hungary and Romania take lands they had before WWII?

Will anything be left as some US protectorate? Or Russian protectorate? Or a chaotic Wild field?...

Anyway, the war seems to be inevitable, the US has no other way to "contain" Russia even for some period of time..

So basically, the Russians and their leaders are indian givers. The West should show those Russian pussies who's boss.

 

[Baron]

Traitorous Putin shall deny 'Ukraine' of its industry and take all Russian territorials back to Russia.
So, no one war against Russia from Ukrainian side would be possible in the future

The same demands Strelkov.

Russia will receive new and new sanctions because NATO and the West want to eliminate it as a state.
If coward Putin is a stupid idiot who's sleeping through 7 years he shall resign.

Only including of Malorossia in Russia can stop WWIII

Read Paul Graig Roberts to this thema

 

[Siberian]

Baron's map can only be transitional to further disintegration of Ukraine

 

[frigidweirdo]

There have never been a state of Ukraine untill disintegration of USSR, i. e. present state is not only artificial, but also was created by a coincidence, a whim of history.

And it is already a failed state, which gallops to own disappearance.

In the moment if disintegration of the USSR it had GDP per capita bigger than in Russia ( now - 1/3 of Russian, it had population of 52 mln (now hardly 35, more likely less) and decreasing fast.

Worst level of life in Europe, biggest spread of deseases, etc etc, an average African country.

All this is a result of anti-Russian elite being determined on cutting any ties with Russia, which is preconditiin of keeping own power.

Self destruction of Ukraine culminated in 2014, when US and EU sponsored Nazi coup accelerated deindustrialization and disintegration of Ukraine, having started civil war there.

Present Nazi regime seem to be going to start a war with Russia, or to be orecize - the US is going to start a proxi war with Russia by Ukrainian hands.

This is obviously going to end with annihilation of Ukraine.

But how soon and what will remain of Ukraine?

Will Russia reunite the whole if Ukraine with itself?
Will Poland, Hungary and Romania take lands they had before WWII?

Will anything be left as some US protectorate? Or Russian protectorate? Or a chaotic Wild field?...

Anyway, the war seems to be inevitable, the US has no other way to "contain" Russia even for some period of time..

Most states are "artificial". Russia started life in Kiev. The Russ are from modern day Sweden.

It makes no difference if they're artificial or not.

it makes difference, artificial states are not a result of long historic process, they have not passed tough exams of History which tested their ability to live, locals may not have skills and mentality required to keep the state united.

summing up - artificial states are not self sustainable in long term.

like post British Imperial India - immediately broke up to India, Pakistan and Bangladesh.


As for Ukraine - Ukrainians are extreme nationalists, they are used to be a minority, a cherished and appeased by Russians in USSR.

And having acquaired an own state instead of tolerance to minorities they immediatelly started supressing them, which finally led to civil war and will lead to further disintegration.

Sooner it will happen bettsr it will be for all, including Ukrainians themselves.

Well, I disagree, because all states have been artificial at one point or another.

 

[Siberian]

There have never been a state of Ukraine untill disintegration of USSR, i. e. present state is not only artificial, but also was created by a coincidence, a whim of history.

And it is already a failed state, which gallops to own disappearance.

In the moment if disintegration of the USSR it had GDP per capita bigger than in Russia ( now - 1/3 of Russian, it had population of 52 mln (now hardly 35, more likely less) and decreasing fast.

Worst level of life in Europe, biggest spread of deseases, etc etc, an average African country.

All this is a result of anti-Russian elite being determined on cutting any ties with Russia, which is preconditiin of keeping own power.

Self destruction of Ukraine culminated in 2014, when US and EU sponsored Nazi coup accelerated deindustrialization and disintegration of Ukraine, having started civil war there.

Present Nazi regime seem to be going to start a war with Russia, or to be orecize - the US is going to start a proxi war with Russia by Ukrainian hands.

This is obviously going to end with annihilation of Ukraine.

But how soon and what will remain of Ukraine?

Will Russia reunite the whole if Ukraine with itself?
Will Poland, Hungary and Romania take lands they had before WWII?

Will anything be left as some US protectorate? Or Russian protectorate? Or a chaotic Wild field?...

Anyway, the war seems to be inevitable, the US has no other way to "contain" Russia even for some period of time..

Most states are "artificial". Russia started life in Kiev. The Russ are from modern day Sweden.

It makes no difference if they're artificial or not.

it makes difference, artificial states are not a result of long historic process, they have not passed tough exams of History which tested their ability to live, locals may not have skills and mentality required to keep the state united.

summing up - artificial states are not self sustainable in long term.

like post British Imperial India - immediately broke up to India, Pakistan and Bangladesh.


As for Ukraine - Ukrainians are extreme nationalists, they are used to be a minority, a cherished and appeased by Russians in USSR.

And having acquaired an own state instead of tolerance to minorities they immediatelly started supressing them, which finally led to civil war and will lead to further disintegration.

Sooner it will happen bettsr it will be for all, including Ukrainians themselves.

Well, I disagree, because all states have been artificial at one point or another.

lol, only if saying artificial you mean "created by humans" but not the God...

otherwise there is aa great difference between ones which were created by spin nations of these states and states created by a chance within artificial borders, like most colonies and post Soviet states, including Ukraine.

 

[Litwin]

There has never been a state of Ukraine in History untill disintegration of USSR, and not without reason.
Present state is not only artificial, but also was created by a coincidence, a whim of history and as we see is not self-sustainable.

And it is already a failed state, which gallops to own disappearance.

In the moment of disintegration of the USSR it had GDP per capita bigger than in Russia (now - 1/3 of Russian one, it had population of 52 mln (now hardly 35, more likely less) and decreasing fast.

Worst level of life in Europe, biggest spread of deseases, etc etc, an average African country.

All this is a result of anti-Russian elite being determined on cutting any ties with Russia, which is precondition of keeping their power.

Self destruction of Ukraine culminated in 2014, when US and EU sponsored Nazi coup accelerated deindustrialization and disintegration of Ukraine, having started civil war there.

Present Nazi regime seems to be going to start a war with Russia, or to be precise - the US is going to start a proxi war with Russia by Ukrainian hands.

This is obviously going to end with annihilation of Ukraine.

But how soon and what will remain of Ukraine?

Will Russia reunite the whole of Ukraine with itself?
Will Poland, Hungary and Romania take lands they had before WWII?

Will anything be left as some US protectorate? Or Russian protectorate? Or a chaotic Wild field?...

Anyway, the war seems to be inevitable, the US has no other way to "contain" Russia even for some period of time..

So basically, the Russians and their leaders are indian givers. The West should show those Russian pussies who's boss.

+1,

 

[Litwin]

Traitorous Putin shall deny 'Ukraine' of its industry and take all Russian territorials back to Russia.
So, no one war against Russia from Ukrainian side would be possible in the future

The same demands Strelkov.

Russia will receive new and new sanctions because NATO and the West want to eliminate it as a state.
If coward Putin is a stupid idiot who's sleeping through 7 years he shall resign.

Only including of Malorossia in Russia can stop WWIII

Read Paul Graig Roberts to this thema

 

[Baron]

Traitorous Putin shall deny 'Ukraine' of its industry and take all Russian territorials back to Russia.
So, no one war against Russia from Ukrainian side would be possible in the future

The same demands Strelkov.

Russia will receive new and new sanctions because NATO and the West want to eliminate it as a state.
If coward Putin is a stupid idiot who's sleeping through 7 years he shall resign.

Only including of Malorossia in Russia can stop WWIII

Read Paul Graig Roberts to this thema

Of course Russians know the desire of Navalny, NATO and the West.
Don't worry your beloved 'democracy' and 'human rights' as instruments of destroying Russia within have been already flushed down the toilet there.

 

[frigidweirdo]

There have never been a state of Ukraine untill disintegration of USSR, i. e. present state is not only artificial, but also was created by a coincidence, a whim of history.

And it is already a failed state, which gallops to own disappearance.

In the moment if disintegration of the USSR it had GDP per capita bigger than in Russia ( now - 1/3 of Russian, it had population of 52 mln (now hardly 35, more likely less) and decreasing fast.

Worst level of life in Europe, biggest spread of deseases, etc etc, an average African country.

All this is a result of anti-Russian elite being determined on cutting any ties with Russia, which is preconditiin of keeping own power.

Self destruction of Ukraine culminated in 2014, when US and EU sponsored Nazi coup accelerated deindustrialization and disintegration of Ukraine, having started civil war there.

Present Nazi regime seem to be going to start a war with Russia, or to be orecize - the US is going to start a proxi war with Russia by Ukrainian hands.

This is obviously going to end with annihilation of Ukraine.

But how soon and what will remain of Ukraine?

Will Russia reunite the whole if Ukraine with itself?
Will Poland, Hungary and Romania take lands they had before WWII?

Will anything be left as some US protectorate? Or Russian protectorate? Or a chaotic Wild field?...

Anyway, the war seems to be inevitable, the US has no other way to "contain" Russia even for some period of time..

Most states are "artificial". Russia started life in Kiev. The Russ are from modern day Sweden.

It makes no difference if they're artificial or not.

it makes difference, artificial states are not a result of long historic process, they have not passed tough exams of History which tested their ability to live, locals may not have skills and mentality required to keep the state united.

summing up - artificial states are not self sustainable in long term.

like post British Imperial India - immediately broke up to India, Pakistan and Bangladesh.


As for Ukraine - Ukrainians are extreme nationalists, they are used to be a minority, a cherished and appeased by Russians in USSR.

And having acquaired an own state instead of tolerance to minorities they immediatelly started supressing them, which finally led to civil war and will lead to further disintegration.

Sooner it will happen bettsr it will be for all, including Ukrainians themselves.

Well, I disagree, because all states have been artificial at one point or another.

lol, only if saying artificial you mean "created by humans" but not the God...

otherwise there is aa great difference between ones which were created by spin nations of these states and states created by a chance within artificial borders, like most colonies and post Soviet states, including Ukraine.

The problem with the Ukraine isn't that it's not a nation for the Ukrainian people. It's that the Russians in the Ukraine still feel Russian. Same in other former Soviet countries.

Shows the problem of countries like the USSR.

 

[Siberian]

There have never been a state of Ukraine untill disintegration of USSR, i. e. present state is not only artificial, but also was created by a coincidence, a whim of history.

And it is already a failed state, which gallops to own disappearance.

In the moment if disintegration of the USSR it had GDP per capita bigger than in Russia ( now - 1/3 of Russian, it had population of 52 mln (now hardly 35, more likely less) and decreasing fast.

Worst level of life in Europe, biggest spread of deseases, etc etc, an average African country.

All this is a result of anti-Russian elite being determined on cutting any ties with Russia, which is preconditiin of keeping own power.

Self destruction of Ukraine culminated in 2014, when US and EU sponsored Nazi coup accelerated deindustrialization and disintegration of Ukraine, having started civil war there.

Present Nazi regime seem to be going to start a war with Russia, or to be orecize - the US is going to start a proxi war with Russia by Ukrainian hands.

This is obviously going to end with annihilation of Ukraine.

But how soon and what will remain of Ukraine?

Will Russia reunite the whole if Ukraine with itself?
Will Poland, Hungary and Romania take lands they had before WWII?

Will anything be left as some US protectorate? Or Russian protectorate? Or a chaotic Wild field?...

Anyway, the war seems to be inevitable, the US has no other way to "contain" Russia even for some period of time..

Most states are "artificial". Russia started life in Kiev. The Russ are from modern day Sweden.

It makes no difference if they're artificial or not.

it makes difference, artificial states are not a result of long historic process, they have not passed tough exams of History which tested their ability to live, locals may not have skills and mentality required to keep the state united.

summing up - artificial states are not self sustainable in long term.

like post British Imperial India - immediately broke up to India, Pakistan and Bangladesh.


As for Ukraine - Ukrainians are extreme nationalists, they are used to be a minority, a cherished and appeased by Russians in USSR.

And having acquaired an own state instead of tolerance to minorities they immediatelly started supressing them, which finally led to civil war and will lead to further disintegration.

Sooner it will happen bettsr it will be for all, including Ukrainians themselves.

Well, I disagree, because all states have been artificial at one point or another.

lol, only if saying artificial you mean "created by humans" but not the God...

otherwise there is aa great difference between ones which were created by spin nations of these states and states created by a chance within artificial borders, like most colonies and post Soviet states, including Ukraine.

The problem with the Ukraine isn't that it's not a nation for the Ukrainian people. It's that the Russians in the Ukraine still feel Russian. Same in other former Soviet countries.

Shows the problem of countries like the USSR.

lol, and why should Russians feel not Russian if they are Russian?

I propose to include Ukraineinto Russia, maybe Ukrainians will feel Russian better and faster...

 

[frigidweirdo]

There have never been a state of Ukraine untill disintegration of USSR, i. e. present state is not only artificial, but also was created by a coincidence, a whim of history.

And it is already a failed state, which gallops to own disappearance.

In the moment if disintegration of the USSR it had GDP per capita bigger than in Russia ( now - 1/3 of Russian, it had population of 52 mln (now hardly 35, more likely less) and decreasing fast.

Worst level of life in Europe, biggest spread of deseases, etc etc, an average African country.

All this is a result of anti-Russian elite being determined on cutting any ties with Russia, which is preconditiin of keeping own power.

Self destruction of Ukraine culminated in 2014, when US and EU sponsored Nazi coup accelerated deindustrialization and disintegration of Ukraine, having started civil war there.

Present Nazi regime seem to be going to start a war with Russia, or to be orecize - the US is going to start a proxi war with Russia by Ukrainian hands.

This is obviously going to end with annihilation of Ukraine.

But how soon and what will remain of Ukraine?

Will Russia reunite the whole if Ukraine with itself?
Will Poland, Hungary and Romania take lands they had before WWII?

Will anything be left as some US protectorate? Or Russian protectorate? Or a chaotic Wild field?...

Anyway, the war seems to be inevitable, the US has no other way to "contain" Russia even for some period of time..

Most states are "artificial". Russia started life in Kiev. The Russ are from modern day Sweden.

It makes no difference if they're artificial or not.

it makes difference, artificial states are not a result of long historic process, they have not passed tough exams of History which tested their ability to live, locals may not have skills and mentality required to keep the state united.

summing up - artificial states are not self sustainable in long term.

like post British Imperial India - immediately broke up to India, Pakistan and Bangladesh.


As for Ukraine - Ukrainians are extreme nationalists, they are used to be a minority, a cherished and appeased by Russians in USSR.

And having acquaired an own state instead of tolerance to minorities they immediatelly started supressing them, which finally led to civil war and will lead to further disintegration.

Sooner it will happen bettsr it will be for all, including Ukrainians themselves.

Well, I disagree, because all states have been artificial at one point or another.

lol, only if saying artificial you mean "created by humans" but not the God...

otherwise there is aa great difference between ones which were created by spin nations of these states and states created by a chance within artificial borders, like most colonies and post Soviet states, including Ukraine.

The problem with the Ukraine isn't that it's not a nation for the Ukrainian people. It's that the Russians in the Ukraine still feel Russian. Same in other former Soviet countries.

Shows the problem of countries like the USSR.

lol, and why should Russians feel not Russian if they are Russian?

I propose to include Ukraineinto Russia, maybe Ukrainians will feel Russian better and faster...

Well, the point here is one of large countries moving people around. The Soviet Union had lots of migration. A non-natural country, as you put it.

So lots of Russians ended up in what is now the Ukraine. So when independence happened, then there were a lot of issues. Same in other countries, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Kazakhstan etc etc.

 

[Siberian]

There have never been a state of Ukraine untill disintegration of USSR, i. e. present state is not only artificial, but also was created by a coincidence, a whim of history.

And it is already a failed state, which gallops to own disappearance.

In the moment if disintegration of the USSR it had GDP per capita bigger than in Russia ( now - 1/3 of Russian, it had population of 52 mln (now hardly 35, more likely less) and decreasing fast.

Worst level of life in Europe, biggest spread of deseases, etc etc, an average African country.

All this is a result of anti-Russian elite being determined on cutting any ties with Russia, which is preconditiin of keeping own power.

Self destruction of Ukraine culminated in 2014, when US and EU sponsored Nazi coup accelerated deindustrialization and disintegration of Ukraine, having started civil war there.

Present Nazi regime seem to be going to start a war with Russia, or to be orecize - the US is going to start a proxi war with Russia by Ukrainian hands.

This is obviously going to end with annihilation of Ukraine.

But how soon and what will remain of Ukraine?

Will Russia reunite the whole if Ukraine with itself?
Will Poland, Hungary and Romania take lands they had before WWII?

Will anything be left as some US protectorate? Or Russian protectorate? Or a chaotic Wild field?...

Anyway, the war seems to be inevitable, the US has no other way to "contain" Russia even for some period of time..

Most states are "artificial". Russia started life in Kiev. The Russ are from modern day Sweden.

It makes no difference if they're artificial or not.

it makes difference, artificial states are not a result of long historic process, they have not passed tough exams of History which tested their ability to live, locals may not have skills and mentality required to keep the state united.

summing up - artificial states are not self sustainable in long term.

like post British Imperial India - immediately broke up to India, Pakistan and Bangladesh.


As for Ukraine - Ukrainians are extreme nationalists, they are used to be a minority, a cherished and appeased by Russians in USSR.

And having acquaired an own state instead of tolerance to minorities they immediatelly started supressing them, which finally led to civil war and will lead to further disintegration.

Sooner it will happen bettsr it will be for all, including Ukrainians themselves.

Well, I disagree, because all states have been artificial at one point or another.

lol, only if saying artificial you mean "created by humans" but not the God...

otherwise there is aa great difference between ones which were created by spin nations of these states and states created by a chance within artificial borders, like most colonies and post Soviet states, including Ukraine.

The problem with the Ukraine isn't that it's not a nation for the Ukrainian people. It's that the Russians in the Ukraine still feel Russian. Same in other former Soviet countries.

Shows the problem of countries like the USSR.

lol, and why should Russians feel not Russian if they are Russian?

I propose to include Ukraineinto Russia, maybe Ukrainians will feel Russian better and faster...

Well, the point here is one of large countries moving people around. The Soviet Union had lots of migration. A non-natural country, as you put it.

So lots of Russians ended up in what is now the Ukraine. So when independence happened, then there were a lot of issues. Same in other countries, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Kazakhstan etc etc.

a natural country - created by its people, developed from simple to complex. Like Russia.
Even modern US, a former artificial entity which all colonies are, a super-fragile country being on life support, with genocide and ethnic cleansing of indigeious people as the basis of it, with clear perspective of disintegration - is still rather natural becaused it evolved by itself from an artificial entity.

artificial country - created by external power. Like Ukraine, with artificial borders..

So, don't distort my words.

As for Ukraine - lots of Ukrainians ended up in Russia (on temporarily Ukrainian present territories) , not the opposite.
Half of Ukrainian cities are founded by Russian tsars and Imperiors - it was proper Russia, with predominantly Russian population, just Lenin decided to add some Russian industrial regions to rural undedeveloped Ukrainian regions when he was dividing Russia to Soviet republics....

There has never been Ukraine, there has been Russia. So, if we apply your approach there are no Ukrainians at all and Russia should get back most if post-Soviet republics.

 

[frigidweirdo]

There have never been a state of Ukraine untill disintegration of USSR, i. e. present state is not only artificial, but also was created by a coincidence, a whim of history.

And it is already a failed state, which gallops to own disappearance.

In the moment if disintegration of the USSR it had GDP per capita bigger than in Russia ( now - 1/3 of Russian, it had population of 52 mln (now hardly 35, more likely less) and decreasing fast.

Worst level of life in Europe, biggest spread of deseases, etc etc, an average African country.

All this is a result of anti-Russian elite being determined on cutting any ties with Russia, which is preconditiin of keeping own power.

Self destruction of Ukraine culminated in 2014, when US and EU sponsored Nazi coup accelerated deindustrialization and disintegration of Ukraine, having started civil war there.

Present Nazi regime seem to be going to start a war with Russia, or to be orecize - the US is going to start a proxi war with Russia by Ukrainian hands.

This is obviously going to end with annihilation of Ukraine.

But how soon and what will remain of Ukraine?

Will Russia reunite the whole if Ukraine with itself?
Will Poland, Hungary and Romania take lands they had before WWII?

Will anything be left as some US protectorate? Or Russian protectorate? Or a chaotic Wild field?...

Anyway, the war seems to be inevitable, the US has no other way to "contain" Russia even for some period of time..

Most states are "artificial". Russia started life in Kiev. The Russ are from modern day Sweden.

It makes no difference if they're artificial or not.

it makes difference, artificial states are not a result of long historic process, they have not passed tough exams of History which tested their ability to live, locals may not have skills and mentality required to keep the state united.

summing up - artificial states are not self sustainable in long term.

like post British Imperial India - immediately broke up to India, Pakistan and Bangladesh.


As for Ukraine - Ukrainians are extreme nationalists, they are used to be a minority, a cherished and appeased by Russians in USSR.

And having acquaired an own state instead of tolerance to minorities they immediatelly started supressing them, which finally led to civil war and will lead to further disintegration.

Sooner it will happen bettsr it will be for all, including Ukrainians themselves.

Well, I disagree, because all states have been artificial at one point or another.

lol, only if saying artificial you mean "created by humans" but not the God...

otherwise there is aa great difference between ones which were created by spin nations of these states and states created by a chance within artificial borders, like most colonies and post Soviet states, including Ukraine.

The problem with the Ukraine isn't that it's not a nation for the Ukrainian people. It's that the Russians in the Ukraine still feel Russian. Same in other former Soviet countries.

Shows the problem of countries like the USSR.

lol, and why should Russians feel not Russian if they are Russian?

I propose to include Ukraineinto Russia, maybe Ukrainians will feel Russian better and faster...

Well, the point here is one of large countries moving people around. The Soviet Union had lots of migration. A non-natural country, as you put it.

So lots of Russians ended up in what is now the Ukraine. So when independence happened, then there were a lot of issues. Same in other countries, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Kazakhstan etc etc.

a natural country - created by its people, developed from simple to complex. Like Russia.
Even modern US, a former artificial entity which all colonies are, a super-fragile country being on life support, with genocide and ethnic cleansing of indigeious people as the basis of it, with clear perspective of disintegration - is still rather natural becaused it evolved by itself from an artificial entity.

artificial country - created by external power. Like Ukraine, with artificial borders..

So, don't distort my words.

As for Ukraine - lots of Ukrainians ended up in Russia (on temporarily Ukrainian present territories) , not the opposite.
Half of Ukrainian cities are founded by Russian tsars and Imperiors - it was proper Russia, with predominantly Russian population, just Lenin decided to add some Russian industrial regions to rural undedeveloped Ukrainian regions when he was dividing Russia to Soviet republics....

There has never been Ukraine, there has been Russia. So, if we apply your approach there are no Ukrainians at all and Russia should get back most if post-Soviet republics.

Do you think Russia would be willing to let Siberia have a vote on whether to leave Russia or not?

And whether the Ukraine existed in the shape it is today, or whether it was different, or whether it had a different name, is neither here nor there.

I'm a person who thinks people should have the right to self determination. The problem comes that it should be a natural process and no one pushed by Putin. Which is exactly what is happening.

 

[Quasar44]

Ukraine is Russia and its time for Putin to conquer the lost land

 

[zaangalewa]

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The Ukraine will exist - but Russia will fall. The question is how fast this mountain will fall. The slower the better, because there's a lot of water in the sea of history.




Der Berg

Würden sämtliche Berge der ganzen Welt,
zusammengetragen und übereinandergestellt
und wäre zu Füßen dieses Massivs,
ein riesiges Meer, ein breites und tiefs.
Und stürzte dann, unter Donnern und Blitzen
der Berg in dieses Meer - na das würd' spritzen!

 

[zaangalewa]

And by the way: Why write people such an unbelievable bullshit as it is written here? Does anyone really believe all this stupid nonsense?

The unimportant problem "Krim" is normally very easily solveable with trades and/or money. So I wonder why "die Ruthenen" (old Austrian expression for Ukrainians and Russians) don't solve it. Do you need a translator because you have only 60% common vocabulary?