How could Adam be alone when one with God?

[RodISHI]

Adam being in sinless spiritual oneness with God at this point in time, is the logical deduction from the fact that Adam had not become separated from God by sin yet, by disobediently EATING the Forbidden Fruit.

That is your deduction.

And a logical deduction at that!
Adam didn't become separated from God by sin until AFTER he did eat the forbidden fruit, so from the time Adam was created through his naming of all the animals and the taking of his rib, Adam was in a heavenly state of physical perfection, in paradise, without sin, one with God and so "alone" it was "not good."

Flesh that which was and is carnal was never at any time created as perfection. Flesh was designed to fail from the beginning to meet with God's purpose (will you try to say it is not?).
Flesh/carnal mind is enmity with God. Has been from the beginning when the Lord set Adam into the garden of Eden/pleasure.


Then you are the "cynic" of course so you will have to figure it out in your own mind. It is something you will need to decide for yourself.

 

[JW Frogen]

Adam, and Eve, were really nothing but primordial soup. And that matter whacked in the Big Bang.

That is what they were, we are, all life is.

God likes puzzels.

 

[JBeukema]

Flesh that which was and is carnal was never at any time created as perfection. Flesh was designed to fail from the beginning to meet with God's purpose (will you try to say it is not?).
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Determined to fail? Then the fall is meaningless as it merely follows a script and does not represent free will. Therefore, sin is meaningless and not really sin. Also, since the bible says that god chooses who will be drawn to him faith and salvation are meaningless shows that represent no meaning or decision. Your entire religion breaks down, as there is no responsibility upon man for god's actions.

 

[edthecynic]

That is your deduction.

And a logical deduction at that!
Adam didn't become separated from God by sin until AFTER he did eat the forbidden fruit, so from the time Adam was created through his naming of all the animals and the taking of his rib, Adam was in a heavenly state of physical perfection, in paradise, without sin, one with God and so "alone" it was "not good."

Flesh that which was and is carnal was never at any time created as perfection. Flesh was designed to fail from the beginning to meet with God's purpose (will you try to say it is not?).
Flesh/carnal mind is enmity with God. Has been from the beginning when the Lord set Adam into the garden of Eden/pleasure.


Then you are the "cynic" of course so you will have to figure it out in your own mind. It is something you will need to decide for yourself.

So you are saying that God is the author of IMPERFECTION.

Are we punished for Adam's sin? | Christian Apologetics & Research Ministry

Before the fall, Adam was sinless, perfect, and good (Gen. 1:31). He had a ‘good’ nature. But, after the fall, he became a sinner. His nature was changed from ‘good’ to ‘bad.’ Since we are his children, we inherit his sinful nature (Rom. 5:12). In this sense, we suffer for what Adam did; that is, he caused his descendants to have sinful natures and all of us suffer because of it. This is called original sin.

 

[caterpillar]

The reason that God created Eve from the rib of Adam? To remind us men that WOMEN ARE OUR EQUALS, and should be treated as such.

Its interesting that most women don't view themselves as "equal" to men, but in fact superior. If they viewed themselves as "equal" to men, they would acknowledge the equal right of a man to be involved at all stages of reproductive decision making. Yet, feminazism's central tenant is female superiority. The most important facet of this superiority is denial of man's equal rights in the reproductive decision. This has symbolic as much as practical significance for these women's groups. Man, stripped of his human role as a reproductive being, is thus kept in his natural inferior position. Thus the cult of abortion IS about female supremacy over men, at least in the eyes of the feminazi's.

 

[edthecynic]

Okay..........first off..........you Christians need to study the book of Genesis a bit more closely, as well as listen to what the Torah says.........

Eve was NOT the first woman. Lillith was, and she was created at the same time that God created Adam. Only trouble is, she was upset over the fact that Adam wanted to be on top all the time when they were having sex. She uttered the Secret Name of God, and left.

The reason that she was created at the same time as Adam? Simple........God is both male and female.

Why did God state that it wasn't good for Adam to be alone? See above. When God saw what Lillith had done, He told her to go back, but she wouldn't, and so was turned into a demon. Incidentally, that is where the term "lullaby" comes from.........it's protection from Lillith (who likes to kill children in their sleep).

As a matter of fact, Lillith had sex with demons, and ended up having many children, who became demons as well.

The reason that God created Eve from the rib of Adam? To remind us men that WOMEN ARE OUR EQUALS, and should be treated as such.

Kinda interesting how the Catholic church has fucked up the story over the years.

The Christian bible does not mention Lilith. And in the Old Testament, Lilith is only mentioned once in Isaiah 34:14 not in Genesis.

Isaiah 34:14 Goat demons shall greet each other; there too the lilith will repose.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Flesh that which was and is carnal was never at any time created as perfection. Flesh was designed to fail from the beginning to meet with God's purpose (will you try to say it is not?).
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Determined to fail? Then the fall is meaningless as it merely follows a script and does not represent free will. Therefore, sin is meaningless and not really sin. Also, since the bible says that god chooses who will be drawn to him faith and salvation are meaningless shows that represent no meaning or decision. Your entire religion breaks down, as there is no responsibility upon man for god's actions.

Sorry man......you got it wrong. God doesn't choose who is drawn to Him. We do. Free will and all of that.

Sin isn't so much a bad deed, but rather people hurting one another without any regard for the other person.

Nothing that is created by God is determined to fail, that's us who makes the decision.

 

[edthecynic]

Adam, who represents all mankind, was the only man to know God while in a sinless and heavenly state of being.
Eve ate the forbidden fruit of the tree of knowledge first and then offered it to Adam, so after Eve ate the forbidden fruit, Adam was faced with a big choice. Adam knew that Eve having eaten would be lost to him in paradise, so Adam had to decide whether he wanted to be alone with God for eternity or join Eve.
But this choice was not without serious consequences, because Adam knew he would incur the wrath of God if he chose Eve. This meant he would be separated from God by sin, he would grow old, he would become sick, and eventually die. Yet the only man to know the "heavenly bliss" of being without sin and one with God, chose Eve with all her baggage over God.

Was ADAM The ULTIMATE ROMANTIC???

 

[ABikerSailor]

A cynic named Ed, talking about Romance?

I guess the Apocalypse is coming soon, eh?

 

[edthecynic]

A cynic named Ed, talking about Romance?

I guess the Apocalypse is coming soon, eh?

Believers have been saying that for 2000 years.

Mt 23:36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.

Mt 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
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Mt 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

MAR 13:30 Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.

LUK 21:32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.

 

[JBeukema]

Wasn't one of the apostles supposed to live to see it?

 

[i/3ootleg]

how could you interpret this literally?

 

[garyd]

Okay, it works like this: 1.Adam was alone with God for mere days in all likelihood.

2. God is not man. For one thing he is perfect.

3. It wasn't the creation of Eve that corrupted Adam.

4. Free will almost always operates in direct opposition to God.

5. Yet absent free will true love that is a love that is independent of the actions of it's object cannot exist.

6. Human beings were created that God might demostrate both his mercy and his justice.

 

[JBeukema]

Eve, too was perfect before the fall. Yet, though perfect, she disobeyed the command of God? Then she was not perfect. Thus, the eating from the tree did not mark the loss of perfection, but merely of god's favor

 

[garyd]

Wrong. The moment she and Adam ate they rebelled against God who is perfect and became imperfect in the very doing of that rebellion. It should also be noted that until Adam ate no one's eyes got opened because it was Adam's reponsibility and therefore Adam's guilt. By the way they became sinful because the became selfish. It is interesting to note that only after they ate did they realize they had no clothes.

 

[Terral]

Hi Gary:

Okay, it works like this: 1.Adam was alone with God for mere days in all likelihood.

No. God rested after the sixth day (Gen. 2:1-3*) and the “Lord God” (Christ) began His consecration work on this ongoing ‘seventh/Sabbath day’ in Genesis 2:4+*. Christ formed Adam (Gen. 2:7*) ‘and’ the Garden (Gen. 2:8*) as ‘heavenly’ hosts to begin this seventh day a LONG time ago. Adam named everything to be named (Gen. 2:19*) to then sit down and become bored; until the Lord God (the Lamb of God in heaven) placed His “son of God” (Luke 3:38) into a deep sleep to ‘then’ remove Eve from his side (Gen. 2:20-22*). Adam and Eve continue to exist as ‘heavenly’ hosts from this time to the ‘fall’ in Genesis 3 (far left), when the Lord God made garments of skin for Adam and His wife in Genesis 3:21. Adam’s ‘earthly’ existence (the 930 years) begins right here at his expulsion from the Garden, which made procreation (Gen. 4+) a possibility (see Post #5).

2. God is not man. For one thing he is perfect.

God is not a man (Num. 23:19), because the Bible tells you so . . . Heaven (Gen. 1:8) and the Highest Heaven (Gen. 1:1 = pic) cannot contain God (1Kings 8:27), because God is INFINITE . . .

3. It wasn't the creation of Eve that corrupted Adam.

“And it was NOT Adam who was deceived, but the woman being deceived fell into transgression.” 1Timothy 2:14.

The Lord God’s ‘two witnesses’ (Adam and Eve = Elijah and Moses) continue to incarnate again and again throughout Scripture as Abraham (Adam) and Sarah (Eve), Joshua (Adam) and Moses (Eve = Noah too), Elijah (Adam) and the old woman (Eve), David (Adam) and Bathsheba (Eve), the coming “prophet” (Adam = Acts 3:22-23 = John the Baptist too) and the ‘two witnesses’ of Revelation 11*. These are the ‘two olive trees and the two lampstands’ (Rev. 11:4* = Zech. 4:11-14) who stand before the Lord of the earth representing the ‘heavens’ (Adam = Elijah) and ‘earth’ (Eve = Moses), or the ‘angels’ (Adam) and ‘men’ (Eve); until the two are rejoined together and put on ‘immortality’ (1Cor. 15:51-53). BTW, Eve was not ‘created’ out of thin air, but she was ‘fashioned/built’ from what was taken from Adam’s side (like the earth formed out of water) . . .

4. Free will almost always operates in direct opposition to God.

No. There is an ongoing battle between ‘darkness’ (your seed) and ‘light’ (her seed = from Gen. 3:15) and the ‘enmity’ (battle) rages between these ‘two natures’ within the being of the true Christian. Free will in the ‘sons of disobedience’ means direct opposition to God, while the ‘children of Light’ (Eph. 5:8) have “Christ IN you” (Col. 1:27 = Fig 2) and access to everything from the ‘full armor of God’ to the ‘sword of the spirit’ (Eph. 6:10-17) for this ‘spiritual battle.’ What you think is ‘free will’ is an illusion, because all of these things have been done ‘twice’ before (Ecc. 1:9-11) in God’s Infinite Realm (far left*) ‘and’ in Heaven (Fig 2*); when Michael the Archangel threw the Dragon and his angels down into the Adamic Universe (Rev. 12:7-9). You’ve been living in a dream world, Neo . . . (link) and only the 'few' want to take the red pill (pic) where believing in “MYTHS” are par for the course . . .

5. Yet absent free will true love that is a love that is independent of the actions of it's object cannot exist.

Bullony! Take your eyes off the Matrix for one minute and perhaps the Light (John 1:4-7) will shine through the darkness (of your wretched soul):

"I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me.” Galatians 2:20.

The reality is that the “many” are being prepared for utter destruction (Matt. 7:13-14) and only the ‘few’ (Luke 13:23-25) are being saved. Things are NOT as they appear and the ‘god of this world’ (like the architect) has blinded the minds of the unbelieving (2Cor. 4:3-4) and his ‘deluding influence’ has overwhelmed the ‘many’ and forced you to ‘believe what is false’ (2Thes. 2:11) all of your days on this earth; which is the very reason that you will continue to believe that ‘free will true love . . . cannot exist.’

6. Human beings were created that God might demonstrate both his mercy and his justice.

No. Human beings were created by God (sixth day races = Gen. 1:26-28) and the Lord God (seventh day races = sons of Noah/Eve) to recreate the exact conditions of events that transpired in His Infinite Realm (very top beyond Second Veil), when Satan murdered your father Adam in the first place ("you are gods"). The Dragon, Beast and False Prophet (Rev. 13 = very bottom) are all ‘one’ and the same infinite being in God’s Infinite Realm, just like ‘Adam + Eve + her seed = Adam’ the very same way (like the Word/Logos = 'Christ Jesus'). These Bible principles are ‘three’ in this Adamic Universe (spirit, blood and water witnesses = like the Tabernacle/Temple), because this current creation is BROKEN (triune = heavens, heaven and earth) groaning desperately to “be set free from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God.” Romans 8:21. After all, angels (spirit witness) and men (water witnesses) were ‘one’ and the same thing throughout the perfect ages of Genesis 1:1, until the Earth (in blue) became formless and void and ‘darkness’ was upon the face of the deep (now triune); just like you currently have a spirit, soul and physical body (pic). Therefore, God has made both angels and men as part of the Master Plan that all things (heavens and earth) are summed up IN Christ (Eph. 19-:10 = Fig 2), so that eventually (far in the future) God can once again be “all in all” (1Cor. 15:28 = far right).

That is the ONLY way that God can put Humpty Adam back together again in His Infinite Realm by using this Adamic Creation as His version of The Matrix . . .

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_mvAP6CzAQ]"The World" = This Adamic Universe[/ame]

GL,

Terral

 

[garyd]

Not to be rude or blunt but mostly arrant nonsense Terral. If indeed God created this universe then He existed prior to this Universe and exists external to it. That is simple logic. Chapter two of Genesis is Day 6 in fine there is no seventh day creation.

If salvation is to be purely by Grace and Grace alone logic dictates that God must have set in place the potential that other realities may have existed and that god himself may not be amenable to human logic as to His existance.

 

[JBeukema]

Logic is sin.

 

[garyd]

Wrong though it may be put to a sinful purpose like every other tool created by human beings. People for whatever reason seem to wish to blame tools for what people do with them. That is both illogical and silly.

 

[JBeukema]

Logic is sin that entered into man when Adam ate of the tree. That thinking mind is the sin all are born with and which faith seeks to destroy in order that you may enter into heaven