How could Adam be alone when one with God?

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    If we go back chronologically to a time BEFORE Eve was created we have a period of time where Adam was in a heavenly state of physical perfection, without sin, in paradise and in spiritual oneness with God.

    But even though Adam was without sin and one with God, God himself said that Adam was so "alone" it was "not good."

    God himself saw Adam lacked a MATE and made him one, but how could anyone be lacking anything when they are in the heavenly state of being without sin and one with God??????
    Now as you know, we will NOT have a mate in heaven, only sinless oneness with God.

    So who in their right mind would want to spend an eternity in heaven so "alone" it's "not good?"

     
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    I think its interesting what some religions and what some people perceive as Heaven. I'm not quite sure it's even the same for every believer of the same faith.

    I've heard of streets paved of gold, and there are the interpretations one reads of or sees in movies. But what exactly does one believe that Heaven or Paradise is? I think I'll start a thread...
     
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    Ed, you do not believe is that correct?
     
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    What does that have to do with the fact that Adam was alone BEFORE he was separated from God by sin? How would one's belief change the chronology?
     
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    Hi Edthecynic:

    Not exactly. First, let me congratulate you for realizing that Adam is living a ‘heavenly’ existence from the day he was formed by the “Lord God” (Christ) in Genesis 2:7 (far left). Your statement of a ‘heavenly state of physical perfection’ is inaccurate, because your father Adam at this time had no physical body, no spirit and no ‘soul’ as you know them today. Adam became a ‘living soul’ in that his physical body ‘and’ his unseen soul ‘and’ his invisible spirit were all very much the ‘same thing.’ Adam (Gen. 2:7) was a “Singularity Expression Host” (on right) formed in the image of “The Earth” from Genesis 1:1 ‘before’ the “Big Bang” caused that perfect creation to become BROKEN in Genesis 1:2. The Big Bang Theory of Creation is A MYTH (my thread) in the same way that Adam having a ‘heavenly state of physical perfection’ is a MYTH for the very same reasons.

    The perfect ‘Eth ‘Erets (The Earth) of Genesis 1:1 (in blue) included ‘no’ heavenly angelic hosts ‘and’ no earthly man/woman hosts, because those ‘perfect/mature’ pre-Big Bang hosts were ‘immortal’ and represented a man ‘and’ an angel combined together. The current angel and man hosts in the creation right now are part of a ‘broken’ universe where the heavens (spirit witness) and earth (water witness) are separated by the firmament in between that we know as ‘heaven’ (Figure 3 = in red) only called into being in Genesis 1:8. David and Solomon taught on the differences between “Heaven” (Gen. 1:8) and the “Highest Heaven” (Gen. 1:1) from 1Kings 8:26-27, but even today men have very little knowledge on the VAST differences. In short: the “Highest Heaven” is where God is seated (here) and “Heaven” is where the Lamb is standing in New Jerusalem in the center of this Adamic Universe. If you look down into this ‘physical’ universe to find “David,” then that is a picture of your father Adam from Ezekiel 37:24-28 in fulfillment of Jeremiah 30:7-9. Therefore, it is NOT that Adam/David/Elijah is in paradise with ‘God,’ but he was in ‘heaven’ of this Adamic Universe before the “Lamb of God” who takes away the sin of the world that Adam/David/John the Baptist is pointing to in John 1:29+ 36.

    No! Adam is ‘one’ with God ‘and’ The Word (Christ) in God’s Infinite Realm (far left = very top and very top).

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    God called upon His Word to ‘incarnate’ (red sphere), so that ‘Adam’ could be remade “IN” Him (Col. 1:16-17) like this:

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    This entire Adamic Realm (heavens, heaven and earth) is contained inside the “Earth” of Genesis 1:1 in the same exact way that Eve (water witness) and her seed (blood witness) are also IN Adam (diagram) in Genesis 2:7. FAR more time is present in the perfect ages of Genesis 1:1 than from Genesis 1:2 to Revelation 22. God is recreating the precise circumstances through which Adam was murdered by Satan in His Infinite Realm by making Adam/Creation ‘perfect and mature’ (first) to THEN make Him ‘formless and void’ in Genesis 1:2 with the BIG BANG that blew that perfect creation into a kabillion itsy bitsy pieces. Only THEN were the waters ‘above’ the firmament (heavens) and the waters ‘below’ the firmament (earth) rejoined (reconstituted) together (see 2Peter 3:5), so that ‘heaven’ (of this universe) came into being. Then God had a problem of sending “The Light” (Christ) into a ‘broken triune universe,’ because “He” (The Word) continued to exist in His Perfect Singularity Expression form. Only THEN did God sacrifice His Living Word into the Father (spirit witness) and Holy Spirit (water witness Helper), so that the Only Son was ‘begotten’ (in red) in the same way as “heaven” of this Adamic Realm (pic) like this:

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    Now you ‘can’ see “My Father who is IN HEAVEN” (my thread) like you can see ‘heaven’ of this Adamic realm taken from previously-existing Singularity Expressions (Word and Adam/Creation). God is NOT speaking in Genesis 2:4+, but we see the “Lord God” (Christ) speaking about His “son of God” (Luke 3:38) in the person of your father Adam who He formed in Genesis 2:7. The reason that it was NOT good for Adam to be alone is because Eve (water witness helper) had to be taken from his side in the same exact way the visible universe (the earth) was also taken from the side of ‘Eth ‘Erets (The Earth) of Genesis 1:1!!! Your father Adam (Gen. 2:7) is the singularity expression image of ‘The Earth’ (Gen. 1:1), while your father Adam (Gen. 2:20-22+) is a triune expression of the ‘heavens’ rejoining with the ‘earth’ (Eve) for the ‘begetting’ of ‘her seed’ (blood witness); again, exactly like ‘heaven’ and the ‘Son’ have been ‘begotten.’ Christ is the “Man of Heaven” and your father Adam is the “Man of the Earth” (my thread). My “Mystery Explained” Post on how these diagrams work is here.

    You are making unsupported claims that have no basis in reality! Scripture says “the Lord God” and you keep saying “God!!!” without one clue about the DIFFERENCE. The transition was made between ‘God’ (The Almighty) and the “Lord God” (Christ) in Genesis 2:1-4 when GOD RESTED very much IN HIS SON [2Cor. 5:19 = like He is "IN" Christ "IN" You = Fig. 3 ;0)]. Eve was still IN Adam, like this visible universe was IN the perfect “Earth” of Genesis 1:1. Adam required a ‘helper’ like the earth is ‘heavens’ helper right now serving the heavens (bottom 1/3rd) ‘and’ heaven like the Holy Spirit serves the Father and Son as the “Helper” (verses again). Here is a little lesson:

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    [/FONT]Man is a ‘spirit witness’ host and woman (water witness) was taken from his side to become his ‘helper’ for the very purpose of calling ‘her seed’ (Gen. 3:15 diagram) into being. None of that can take place with Eve remaining INSIDE Adam like ‘heaven’ was called to exist by the ‘separation’ of the heavens from the earth. All of these spirit/water/blood scenarios (1Jn 5:6-8) take us back to God’s Infinite Realm where Satan ‘deceived’ those incarnate here as ‘women,’ but he DID NOT deceive those incarnate here as men.

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    [/FONT]While the ‘men’ incarnate in this universe were NOT deceived by Satan, you were eventually deceived by those ‘gods’ now incarnate in this universe as women. If the men among us want to see the incarnate ‘gods’ who led them astray, in God’s Infinite Realm, then simply take a good look around at the women in your current environment. The women with the greatest worldly influence (Billary and C. Rice come to mind) are the very ‘gods’ who deceived the most ‘gods’ in God’s Infinite Realm, which is the very reason that POWER over the masses gravitates to them so easily (Women appointed by Obama = watch his judge pick (Google) = a woman for sure).

    First of all, you have a ‘mate’ right now in the heavens in the form of an ‘angel’ that represents ‘your greater half’ (see Fig. 3 carefully = 1Cor. 6:2-3) Secondly, the woman MUST be put back inside the man (Eve goes back into Adam), BEFORE ‘that’ earthly host can be rejoined with your heavens super-half counterpart (Fig 1 with Fig 3). Thirdly, “. . . as IN Adam ALL DIE, so also IN Christ ALL will be made alive.” 1Corinthians 15:22. That rule applies to ‘all gods’ from God’s Infinite Realm [seventh day people], but only a very ‘few’ are being saved (Matt. 7:13-14). The wicked (‘your seed’) are also being made alive, by the rejoining of their lesser (man) and heavenly (angel) super-halves, BUT they are all thrown into the lake of fire (Rev. 21:8) only wishing they could die! BTW, heaven ‘and’ the highest heaven CANNOT CONTAIN GOD (1Kings 8:27 again), which is the reason that The Almighty deals with ‘men’ and ‘angels’ through His Three Witnesses (Rev. 1:8 = pic). That’s right! “God Who Was” is the ‘water witness/helper’ of God To Come (spirit) and God Who Is (blood witness), just like the Holy Spirit ‘and’ Eve and this visible universe for the heavens.

    Your physical body is the ‘helper’ of your spirit and soul the very same way and why? Because, it is not good for your spirit (like Adam) to be alone . . .

    In Christ Jesus,

    Terral
     
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    Adam is humanity. A human (breath of God created a living soul). A person of flesh (dust and clay).

    Eve is life. Adam and Eve are one being (flesh and spirit). A metaphor yes.

    You as a human are Adam. Eve is that breath of life in the human (Adam).

    God is a spirit. As a human with a soul you are alone without that breath of life that is within you. It still is the same for all humans. Nothing more than dust and clay with breath (life).

    Humans walk unimpeded through this earth as nothing more than flesh beings made up of earth's components and a spirit within them that gives them life that they do not know or understand. Ask yourself these questions, why do I have a conscious? Are you aware of good and bad? Do you have morals? What makes you think how you think? Is there anything I have knowledge of yet I know not where that knowledge came from?

    As humans we have no clue that we are seperated from God through our own sin. That is we as humans with living souls do sleep in the dust (confusion of the earth). It is the soul which is a being created from the spirit of God that is asleep.

    The Bible is from the beginning to the end and the end to the beggining. Look at the last chapter and then read the first chapter. Everything in between is a guide. No doubt it is written in parables and in order to fully understand it one must believe and have the Holy Spirit as a guide. Without that Holy Spirit most will simply accuse God of being cruel. Some have even said God is a mass murderer. Yet if it is His creation then it is His choice on how He will deal with that creation.
     
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    Should there be life after death, then I am willing to bet that it is not even faintly like anything any person imagines. Our perceptions of a "paradise" are formed by the culture and society in which we have been raised.
     
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    Your chronology is a bit off.
    Adam received the breath of life BEFORE Eve was created from Adam's rib.
    Adam was alone while he had the breath of life and was without sin but while at the same time he had no Eve.
     
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    I'm presuming it might have something to do with being fruitful and multiplying as well as needing a helper to over see the realms with which God gave Adam dominion over. Like it is written in the book of Genesis.
     
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    But how could Adam be alone while he was in sinless oneness with God?
    We have been told we are alone BECAUSE we are separated from God BY sin.
    It would seem that with or without sin and with or without God, we are alone.
     

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